Pup1306
11-24-2002, 08:46 PM
Can anyone tell me where i can look up good information on Atkinsons Diet? Does it really work?
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punkin
11-24-2002, 08:49 PM
Do you mean Atkins Diet. I bought his book and did the diet (atkins) and it worked awesome for me. Elaine
Pup1306
11-24-2002, 08:51 PM
Is it Atkinson or Atkins? Oh well, what book did you buy?
rhody
11-25-2002, 01:48 AM
It is Dr. Atkins. His books are very popular and can often be found in some large grocery stores here in the States. I think he writes a lot of good things, but I don't completely agree with the diet that is heavy with protein. But a lot of people find it helpful. Lately, there has been some positive press about the Dr. Atkins diet.
punkin
11-25-2002, 07:00 AM
I bought Dr. Atkins New Diet Revolution. A very uplifting book. Really energizes and stimulates you. Worth the $$. Good Luck Elaine
arkie6
11-25-2002, 08:05 AM
You can buy the book "Dr. Atkin's New Diet Revolution" at just about any bookstore, even Wal-Mart, for less than $10. You can also find quite a bit of info on the net by just doing a search for things like low carb atkins on any good search engine like google.com. You can also find quite a bit of info here on Healthboards by using the search feature for "atkins". Look in the this forum as well as the Weight Loss forum. Just beware that nothing stirs as much controversy in the diet world as mentioning "Dr. Atkins". I recommend the book and the diet (low carbohydrate).
Alan
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GlendaNC
11-30-2002, 10:44 AM
Atkin's works but if you accidently "cheat", all the high calories turn right back into fat. It is a diet that is boring after awhile. You can tell it's working by the ketones being eliminated through the urine. If I recall, the test sticks turn purple if you are losing weight. I would be afraid of it now due to what I know about plaque building on the arteries and his diet is high in meats and other things that make plaque. Other views on this theory?
rhody
11-30-2002, 02:37 PM
My views on this theory (if I can say that), is that if the Atkins diet was modified to consume more complex carbohydrates (from natural foods), instead of the simple carbohydrates (from processed foods), then I think it would be better. I actually have enjoyed reading information from his books, but a diet so filled with meat can be harmful or aggravating to some people (like myself).
I think his diet can work at least in the short term, because all the foods he recommends to eat, largely replace the junk foods that we commonly eat (like cakes, pastries, ice cream, cookies etc.) Anyway, that's my viewpoint of how I see the Atkins diet could be improved. :)
I think his diet can work at least in the short term, because all the foods he recommends to eat, largely replace the junk foods that we commonly eat (like cakes, pastries, ice cream, cookies etc.) Anyway, that's my viewpoint of how I see the Atkins diet could be improved. :)
rhody
11-30-2002, 02:45 PM
Also, I must admit that I haven't read up on Dr. Atkins "latest and greatest". I think the diet has evolved slowly over the years. Maybe someone else can respond, that's read the most up-to-date materials.
Alan, it's nice to see you post - haven't heard from you in a while. We vegans, vegetarians, or near-vegetarians differ from the diet that you have found successful for you. But, I enjoy hearing your viewpoints too.
Alan, it's nice to see you post - haven't heard from you in a while. We vegans, vegetarians, or near-vegetarians differ from the diet that you have found successful for you. But, I enjoy hearing your viewpoints too.
Denise F
12-27-2002, 02:01 AM
I tried the Atkins diet when i was a teenager and lost
about 20 pounds over the summer. I also remember not
having much energy that summer but didn't think too
much about it. Then in my 40's I decided to try it again.
I was on it for about a week started feeling lousy. I
stopped for a couple of weeks and felt better. So, not
really wanting to blame the diet I started again and
with in a week I had my first full blown Lupus attack.
Now, I know that people with Lupus should not be on
this diet or anyone who might have any condition
that effects the kidneys. Just wanted to give a warning
to anyone trying this diet. If it makes you overly
tired or you don't feel quite right- Listen to your
body and get off of it. I guess this could go for
about any diet. You never know when you might have
a hidden medical problem.
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about 20 pounds over the summer. I also remember not
having much energy that summer but didn't think too
much about it. Then in my 40's I decided to try it again.
I was on it for about a week started feeling lousy. I
stopped for a couple of weeks and felt better. So, not
really wanting to blame the diet I started again and
with in a week I had my first full blown Lupus attack.
Now, I know that people with Lupus should not be on
this diet or anyone who might have any condition
that effects the kidneys. Just wanted to give a warning
to anyone trying this diet. If it makes you overly
tired or you don't feel quite right- Listen to your
body and get off of it. I guess this could go for
about any diet. You never know when you might have
a hidden medical problem.
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stilljustagirl
01-01-2003, 11:55 AM
I'm on Atkins, the weight is falling off, I feel great! The first three or four days is difficult as you have withdrawals for sugar and carbs, but after that you feel just fine. As for the clogging artery person, you don't just have to eat hamburgers you know, you can have fish, chicken, tuna, shellfish, lots of things that won't clog your arteries. the atkins diet website has tons of good recipes and support.
Denise F
01-01-2003, 04:57 PM
My girl friend said all of the same things. She lost
80 pounds. As soon as she was off the diet it came
back plus some. Somehow, the great feeling in the
beginning wears off and people don't stay on it.
A male friend I knew lost about 150 on it and stayed
on it for 10 years. To make a long story short he
wound up with thinning bones and went off the diet and
gained it all back faster than I thought was even
possible. I think it's Ok if you have a few pounds to
lose but I don't think it's that healthy to stay on it
for long. The studies show that more people re-gain
on this diet that on any other.
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80 pounds. As soon as she was off the diet it came
back plus some. Somehow, the great feeling in the
beginning wears off and people don't stay on it.
A male friend I knew lost about 150 on it and stayed
on it for 10 years. To make a long story short he
wound up with thinning bones and went off the diet and
gained it all back faster than I thought was even
possible. I think it's Ok if you have a few pounds to
lose but I don't think it's that healthy to stay on it
for long. The studies show that more people re-gain
on this diet that on any other.
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arkie6
01-01-2003, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by Denise F:
...The studies show that more people re-gain
on this diet that on any other...
Really? I've not come across any studies showing that. Could you point me to those studies you mention?
...The studies show that more people re-gain
on this diet that on any other...
Really? I've not come across any studies showing that. Could you point me to those studies you mention?
Denise F
01-02-2003, 02:17 AM
Sorry, I don't have the info on hand. I read it in a
magazine in a Doctors office. I think it was comparing
fad type diets with permament life-style changes of
eating and exercize.
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magazine in a Doctors office. I think it was comparing
fad type diets with permament life-style changes of
eating and exercize.
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Chum
01-02-2003, 04:17 PM
Oh yeah the weight comes back full force when you stop eating low carb. First comes the water weight from being dehydrated, then the fat is stored. One of the side affects of ending ketosis.
arkie6
01-03-2003, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by Chum:
Oh yeah the weight comes back full force when you stop eating low carb.
Well duh. If eating a high carb diet led to your weight gain in the first place, and eating a low carb diet allowed you to lose the excess weight, then you ought to take this as a sign that you can't eat a high carb diet and stay slim. Some people can eat more carbs and not gain weight. Others can't. We are all different genetically. Can't get around that, so you just have to modify your diet to suit your genetics. The key is learning which type of diet best suits your genetics and sticking with it.
First comes the water weight from being dehydrated, then the fat is stored. One of the side affects of ending ketosis.
That is not a side effect of ketosis. On a low carbohydrate diet your body depletes its reserves of glycogen (stored carbohydrate) which is stored in the liver and muscles. With each molecule of glycogen also goes 3 to 4 molecules of attached water. This does not equate with dehydration. This equates with removal of excess fluids. When you refeed with carbohydrate, your body immediately stores the excess as glycogen and 3 to 4 times as much water goes along for the ride. That is the water loss and gain associated with low carb dieting and high carb refeeding. If you consume more than 300-400 grams of carbohydrate from a depleted glycogen state (about the maximum amount of glycogen storage), then excess carbs will begin the conversion to triglycerides (fats) in the liver.
Oh yeah the weight comes back full force when you stop eating low carb.
Well duh. If eating a high carb diet led to your weight gain in the first place, and eating a low carb diet allowed you to lose the excess weight, then you ought to take this as a sign that you can't eat a high carb diet and stay slim. Some people can eat more carbs and not gain weight. Others can't. We are all different genetically. Can't get around that, so you just have to modify your diet to suit your genetics. The key is learning which type of diet best suits your genetics and sticking with it.
First comes the water weight from being dehydrated, then the fat is stored. One of the side affects of ending ketosis.
That is not a side effect of ketosis. On a low carbohydrate diet your body depletes its reserves of glycogen (stored carbohydrate) which is stored in the liver and muscles. With each molecule of glycogen also goes 3 to 4 molecules of attached water. This does not equate with dehydration. This equates with removal of excess fluids. When you refeed with carbohydrate, your body immediately stores the excess as glycogen and 3 to 4 times as much water goes along for the ride. That is the water loss and gain associated with low carb dieting and high carb refeeding. If you consume more than 300-400 grams of carbohydrate from a depleted glycogen state (about the maximum amount of glycogen storage), then excess carbs will begin the conversion to triglycerides (fats) in the liver.
stilljustagirl
01-03-2003, 10:53 AM
Wow, what a great reply. Yes, I am one that can't eat too many carbs, I wish that I could. Anyway, I enjoy your replies!
chitrick
01-03-2003, 11:58 AM
Though I have never been on the Atkins, I am familiar with it, as well as the Zone (which I am on). From what I keep reading here, as well as on the "weight loss" board, it seems that a major mistake people keep making is in thinking these are just "weightloss diets". And they treat them that way. "So and so was on it until he/she lost 20 lbs". "So and so stayed with it for a few weeks". "So and so tried it when he/she was 25, and then again a few years later"... What most people seem to failing to understand here, is that these plans (Atkins & Zone) are "eating lifestyles", and are intended to stay with you forever, once you've committed to making the lifestyle change. If you treat them like any other weightloss diet, by sticking with it until you've lost the desired weight...and then going back to old habits, your results will be the same as with any other diet. You'll likely gain it all back and more.
Personally, I believe that The Zone is as effective at helping you reduce, maintaining your desired weight and keeping you healthy, as Atkins is. But I believe that The Zone is probably easier to stick to in more situations; and it affords you a few more choices in you selection of foods.
Personally, I believe that The Zone is as effective at helping you reduce, maintaining your desired weight and keeping you healthy, as Atkins is. But I believe that The Zone is probably easier to stick to in more situations; and it affords you a few more choices in you selection of foods.
Chum
01-03-2003, 05:02 PM
"Well duh. If eating a high carb diet led to your weight gain in the first place, and eating a low carb diet allowed you to lose the excess weight, then you ought to take this as a sign that you can't eat a high carb diet and stay slim. Some people can eat more carbs and not gain weight. Others can't. We are all different genetically. Can't get around that, so you just have to modify your diet to suit your genetics. The key is learning which type of diet best suits your genetics and sticking with it."
Ok first thing no high carb diet makes you gain weight. You gained weight from too many calories. If you lose weight on atkins its due to calorie restriction nothing more.
"That is not a side effect of ketosis. On a low carbohydrate diet your body depletes its reserves of glycogen (stored carbohydrate) which is stored in the liver and muscles. With each molecule of glycogen also goes 3 to 4 molecules of attached water. This does not equate with dehydration. This equates with removal of excess fluids. When you refeed with carbohydrate, your body immediately stores the excess as glycogen and 3 to 4 times as much water goes along for the ride. That is the water loss and gain associated with low carb dieting and high carb refeeding. If you consume more than 300-400 grams of carbohydrate from a depleted glycogen state (about the maximum amount of glycogen storage), then excess carbs will begin the conversion to triglycerides (fats) in the liver."
Dehydration is a side affect of ketosis. Try the atkins plan for 2 weeks with no supplements and see what happens. I know what happened to a friend of mine who ended up at the ER 3am in the morning with low potassium thinking he was dying. I will give the Eades credit they tell the truth in their books.
Ok first thing no high carb diet makes you gain weight. You gained weight from too many calories. If you lose weight on atkins its due to calorie restriction nothing more.
"That is not a side effect of ketosis. On a low carbohydrate diet your body depletes its reserves of glycogen (stored carbohydrate) which is stored in the liver and muscles. With each molecule of glycogen also goes 3 to 4 molecules of attached water. This does not equate with dehydration. This equates with removal of excess fluids. When you refeed with carbohydrate, your body immediately stores the excess as glycogen and 3 to 4 times as much water goes along for the ride. That is the water loss and gain associated with low carb dieting and high carb refeeding. If you consume more than 300-400 grams of carbohydrate from a depleted glycogen state (about the maximum amount of glycogen storage), then excess carbs will begin the conversion to triglycerides (fats) in the liver."
Dehydration is a side affect of ketosis. Try the atkins plan for 2 weeks with no supplements and see what happens. I know what happened to a friend of mine who ended up at the ER 3am in the morning with low potassium thinking he was dying. I will give the Eades credit they tell the truth in their books.
sean
01-05-2003, 07:10 PM
Well Chum,
I've made it about four and half years on Atkins without a single ER visit. I've lost plenty of weight, have now been on a strength training regimen and am adding to lean muscle mass, eat lots and lots and lots of calories (I think i eat more calories in extra virgin olive oil salad dressings each day than some of the contributors to this board eat in all their foods in a whole day's meals!)
As has been emphasized by others here, if you are of a metabolic or behavior type that required ANY diet to lose wieght, then if you abandon your eating discipline once you achieve your desired weight, OF COURSE you will put the weight back on--and keep on going, too. This is true of low carb, low-fat, low calorie diets, whatever you've chosen--once you abandon the careful eating, unless you have increased your physical activity greatly, you will gain weight. That's how you got there in the first place.
it is silly to say a diet does not work because if you go off it, you gain wieght. that's like saying exercise doesn't make you stronger, cause if you quit, you get weaker. in each case, what you are actually proving is that the approach DID work, you just should not have abandoned it.
by the way, the only research i've seen on which kinds of diet are easier or harder to stick to over time show that low fat diets, NOT low carb, are the most likely to be cheated on and abandoned. there have now been a few such studies.
For those who still beleive we "need" lots of carbs each day, I recommend getting this month's Scientific American on the reconstructing of the USDA food pyramid.
happy new year, everybody
sean
I've made it about four and half years on Atkins without a single ER visit. I've lost plenty of weight, have now been on a strength training regimen and am adding to lean muscle mass, eat lots and lots and lots of calories (I think i eat more calories in extra virgin olive oil salad dressings each day than some of the contributors to this board eat in all their foods in a whole day's meals!)
As has been emphasized by others here, if you are of a metabolic or behavior type that required ANY diet to lose wieght, then if you abandon your eating discipline once you achieve your desired weight, OF COURSE you will put the weight back on--and keep on going, too. This is true of low carb, low-fat, low calorie diets, whatever you've chosen--once you abandon the careful eating, unless you have increased your physical activity greatly, you will gain weight. That's how you got there in the first place.
it is silly to say a diet does not work because if you go off it, you gain wieght. that's like saying exercise doesn't make you stronger, cause if you quit, you get weaker. in each case, what you are actually proving is that the approach DID work, you just should not have abandoned it.
by the way, the only research i've seen on which kinds of diet are easier or harder to stick to over time show that low fat diets, NOT low carb, are the most likely to be cheated on and abandoned. there have now been a few such studies.
For those who still beleive we "need" lots of carbs each day, I recommend getting this month's Scientific American on the reconstructing of the USDA food pyramid.
happy new year, everybody
sean