miracleboyuk
12-30-2002, 12:14 PM
okay so no guessing what my new year resolution is!
so i went and bought Atkins New Diet Revolution and it looks and sounds great - but since then i have read a lot of scare stories on the web
i realise a lot of these are from other diet promoters who are just out to rubbish the diet, and 10 million people can't be wrong right? but then again there is whole web pages saying stay away!
i am not generally that worried about side affects - at the moment i suffer from tiredness, lethargy, irritability and brain fog - all i think are diet/fitness related
can anyone give me any reassurance about this diet or should i go ahead and just try it?
i am 5'9" and weigh about 180lbs
so i went and bought Atkins New Diet Revolution and it looks and sounds great - but since then i have read a lot of scare stories on the web
i realise a lot of these are from other diet promoters who are just out to rubbish the diet, and 10 million people can't be wrong right? but then again there is whole web pages saying stay away!
i am not generally that worried about side affects - at the moment i suffer from tiredness, lethargy, irritability and brain fog - all i think are diet/fitness related
can anyone give me any reassurance about this diet or should i go ahead and just try it?
i am 5'9" and weigh about 180lbs
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Chelle1977
12-30-2002, 01:03 PM
I, personally, do not understand the need for Dr. Atkins diet. While I have not read the book, the posts I have read that mention people's daily menus, etc. on this plan disgust me and I know that you can lose weight by just being moderate about diet and exercise.
I heard, on the radio this morning, that you could lose 18lbs in a year by only adding 4 45 minutes walking sessions a week. If you cut your calories down by just 250 calories a day (a soda and a candy bar), you'd probably double that! And thats a lot of weight to lose in a year!
DO some more research before you decide on Atkins.
I heard, on the radio this morning, that you could lose 18lbs in a year by only adding 4 45 minutes walking sessions a week. If you cut your calories down by just 250 calories a day (a soda and a candy bar), you'd probably double that! And thats a lot of weight to lose in a year!
DO some more research before you decide on Atkins.
magnolia
12-30-2002, 01:53 PM
you will find that those who do not have success on atkins on those that are not following his plan as outlined....at least you have the book....i researched weightloss for months before i embarked on a plan as i did not want to fail...i started with low glycemic indexed foods and then researched low carbs,the role of proteins and fats as well as how the body processes them....this lead me to atkins....there are alot of sites filled with testimonials of people who are successful on atkins as well as their posting of medical testings which shows their overall health has improved greatly....i have lost 78 lbs this past year,started the body for life program 12 weeks ago, in the best health and shape i have ever been...the good news are all the medical studies that have been coming out recently that supports atkins...when someone tells you that atkins will cause a certain medical condition or that it is harmful, have them point out one medical study that substantiates their claim....there is not one single study that tells you that a diet that is low in carbs, high in fat, and adequate in protein will cause harm to your body....best wishes in whatever you decide...
Chelle1977
12-30-2002, 02:13 PM
While there may not be any studies that specifically state that Atkins is harmful, there aren't any studies that, for the long term, show Atkins has been successful or healthy either.
shunny20
12-30-2002, 02:42 PM
i disagree with chelle i have struggled with my weight for the last couple of years i finally hired a personal trainer who gave me a menu of what to eat as well as a workout plan for 3 time a week i continued dishing my money out for this about 3 months with no results most of his clients got results i knew something had to be wrong went to the doctor and was recently diagnosed with pcos and with this disease carbs are a problem and was the cause of my weight gain i did a lot of research and people with my condition were able to get results with low carb diets i had already tried everything possible including eating "right" and exercising what i am trying to say is everyone is different how else can some people eat whatever they want and not gain an once and some can look at food and gain so dont knock it until you try it or maybe you dont have a weight problem so its easy for you to get on the board and knock one person struggle to some people this diet has been an answer their prayers one persons problem may be meat the others maybe carbs recently my aunt who is very obese started atkins she lost 30 pounds in 6 weeks that motivated me so i started atkins on 12/26/02 the day after christmas i got on the scale this morning and i have lost 7 pounds and that make me so happy no other diet was able to do anything for me so i recommend you do what you feel is best for you... Do you know what your problems foods are miracle? oh and chelle if you've never tried it how can you knock it thats just like trying to teach someone to sew when you cant sew yourself how can you give advice on something you dont know about??????????????????
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magnolia
12-30-2002, 02:43 PM
ahhh but atkins is putting his money where his mouth is by helping to finance the first ever long term study of the effectiveness of his way of eating...at least we now know the truth about the food pyramid, several politicians pulled it together one night and the health industry immediately signed onto it because of the political backing...the low-fat industry has increased the money in their pockets while everyone continues to gain weight....the mainstream medical society continues to put money in their pocket by treating the symptoms of obesity rather than engaging in preventive practices....however, more and more of the medical profession are now suggesting atkins or protein power for their patients, for improved lipid profiles as well as even coronary artery and peripheral vascular disease....chances are if you notice your physician is losing weight, ask him/her as to how, pretty good chances they will tell you it is atkins or protein power as the latest studies are showing that physicians are choosing atkins or protein power as their own personal choice for weightloss...now i am not going to post on the pros and cons of atkins or protein power with someone who has admitted that they have not read dandr as that was not the intent of the original poster....he wanted reassurance which can only come from those who have read dandr, not from reading postings by others who claim to be doing atkins but yet are not following the plan....
Chelle1977
12-30-2002, 02:49 PM
A study financed by Atkins is not objective.
I said I thought Dr. Atkins was too extreme. I did not suggest that you follow the low-fat diet from the 80s that has helped so many Americans GAIN weight.
I said that you can lose weight w/o using Atkins by being MODERATE. That means you take in carbs, protein AND fat. I DO have a weight problem and lost 70lbs by being MODERATE and by exercising.
And losing 7lbs in 5 days is not healthy. Chances are its all water weight and will be easily regained.
I said I thought Dr. Atkins was too extreme. I did not suggest that you follow the low-fat diet from the 80s that has helped so many Americans GAIN weight.
I said that you can lose weight w/o using Atkins by being MODERATE. That means you take in carbs, protein AND fat. I DO have a weight problem and lost 70lbs by being MODERATE and by exercising.
And losing 7lbs in 5 days is not healthy. Chances are its all water weight and will be easily regained.
shunny20
12-30-2002, 04:03 PM
and just as i said in my last post thats YOU everyone is DIFFERENT....what floats yo boat might not float someone else that is the way you chose i chose is atkins......and thank you so very much for the diagnosis on my health and i appreciate the congrats on the weightloss even if it is water its water i dont have adding to my body weight anymore and that makes me happy and its a start thanks for your support chelle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Chelle1977
12-30-2002, 05:20 PM
I'm not trying to be unsupportive Shunny. But if you don't know the facts of what you are doing, you can harm your health. If your doctor suggests that you follow the Dr. Atkins plan, then fine. But if you haven't spoken with him/her than I suggest you do so. There are other lower-carb eating plans that are not as extreme.
Being dehyrdated is hardly going to help you lose actual fat. Actually, one reason that its suggested you drink a lot of water is to HELP your body lose fat. By being dehydrated, you put unnecessary risks on your kidney and liver.
I hardly think telling you these things is being unsupportive. I want people to let me know if what I'm doing is unhealthy and potentially harmful.
Being dehyrdated is hardly going to help you lose actual fat. Actually, one reason that its suggested you drink a lot of water is to HELP your body lose fat. By being dehydrated, you put unnecessary risks on your kidney and liver.
I hardly think telling you these things is being unsupportive. I want people to let me know if what I'm doing is unhealthy and potentially harmful.
Denise F
12-30-2002, 05:21 PM
I don't think the Atkin's diet is harmful in the short
term if you are healthy but I had a bad experience with it and so have two of my friends.
When I was a teenager I lost 20 pounds on it one summer
and I did notice I didn't have much energy but I didn't
connect it to the diet. Then in my 40's after my girl
friend lost about 60 pounds on it and raved about how
easy it was, I tried it again. After 2 weeks I started
feeling bad and just went off the diet because I didn't
want to mess with it. When I was feeling better I went
on it again. After about 2 weeks I got really sick and
was diagnosed with Lupus. I have had it now for 6
years and the Adkins diet was the straw that broke
the camel's back and set off the lupus attack that
I never knew I had until then. I found out later that
his diet is not recomended to people with any autoimune
diseases. My lupus is mostly under control now and I
won't be doing that again!
My friend went on to lose 80 pounds and as soon as
she went off the diet she gained it all back plus
some. My other friend a guy lost 150 pounds on it
and stayed on the diet for 10 years. He broke his leg
and the Dr. said his bones are in bad shape they are
as thin as an 80 year old woman. And by the way while
he was laid up he got married and went off the diet
and with no exercise because of the leg, he gained
150+ faster than anyone I ever saw.
Personally, I think it's best to stick with a balanced
diet and increase your activity . It will take longer
but it will be more likely to stay off.I wish like
everyone else that there was a magic wand but there
isn't.
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term if you are healthy but I had a bad experience with it and so have two of my friends.
When I was a teenager I lost 20 pounds on it one summer
and I did notice I didn't have much energy but I didn't
connect it to the diet. Then in my 40's after my girl
friend lost about 60 pounds on it and raved about how
easy it was, I tried it again. After 2 weeks I started
feeling bad and just went off the diet because I didn't
want to mess with it. When I was feeling better I went
on it again. After about 2 weeks I got really sick and
was diagnosed with Lupus. I have had it now for 6
years and the Adkins diet was the straw that broke
the camel's back and set off the lupus attack that
I never knew I had until then. I found out later that
his diet is not recomended to people with any autoimune
diseases. My lupus is mostly under control now and I
won't be doing that again!
My friend went on to lose 80 pounds and as soon as
she went off the diet she gained it all back plus
some. My other friend a guy lost 150 pounds on it
and stayed on the diet for 10 years. He broke his leg
and the Dr. said his bones are in bad shape they are
as thin as an 80 year old woman. And by the way while
he was laid up he got married and went off the diet
and with no exercise because of the leg, he gained
150+ faster than anyone I ever saw.
Personally, I think it's best to stick with a balanced
diet and increase your activity . It will take longer
but it will be more likely to stay off.I wish like
everyone else that there was a magic wand but there
isn't.
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shunny20
12-30-2002, 05:49 PM
i'm not dehydrated chelle far from it i drink more water on atkins than i was before i try to drink at leat 64oz a day now that i am on the day but before the diet i wasnt drinking any and i mean that literally NONE..........but thanks for the tip though
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Chum
12-30-2002, 06:28 PM
Atkins will never work in the long term. Once you get bored eating meat and eggs and you need a change its over. Anything with a tiny amount of carbs will throw you out of ketosis, and the weight comes back fast. There were almost 30 of us at work that tried the diet and not one stuck with it. Try a better plan like sugarbusters.
rhody
12-30-2002, 11:05 PM
I had read one of Dr. Atkins' books years ago. It was called "Dr. Atkins' Health Revolution", copyright 1990. I liked what I had read in there for the most part, as the book emphasized combining orthodox medicine with a pratical approach of good eating, reducing toxins, and exercise.
As with everything that we read, there may be things that we agree with and other things that we disagree with. I wish I was more up-to-date about the Dr. Atkins' diet. It's seems to be a popular topic. I think we all need to see what his latest writings entail. Maybe it's time I picked up on one of his latest books....
There may be more than one diet from what I can see, from this old book. This diet might be misunderstood, as it looks like there are a number of variations that may be permissible. In my Dr. Atkins book, which was written over 10 years ago, whole grains were permitted at least in one case. This is in the Appendix B on pages 387 & 388, under the Meat and Millet diet for Insulin Regulation. It is mentioned "the basic principle of this diet is to eliminate sugars (simple carbohydrates) and replace them with starches (complex carbohydrates)...grains are allowed as whole grains...white flour is a refined carbohydrate and must be avoided."
Over the years I've been more and more convinced that the best diet, is one that avoids the junk foods that we commonly love like cookies, cakes, white breads, ice cream, pastries, and crackers etc. In general, foods found in their natural (non-processed) state seem to be best like whole grains, fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and meat etc.
I just wanted to write this, to say something nice about Dr. Atkins. I'm not a meat eater and never plan to follow any type of heavy-meat diet, but I've always held Dr. Atkins in high esteem. I wish more people would look at what we are eating, what we are putting in our bodies, so that we can take further steps in getting well, maintaining a good weight, and being healthy.
As with everything that we read, there may be things that we agree with and other things that we disagree with. I wish I was more up-to-date about the Dr. Atkins' diet. It's seems to be a popular topic. I think we all need to see what his latest writings entail. Maybe it's time I picked up on one of his latest books....
There may be more than one diet from what I can see, from this old book. This diet might be misunderstood, as it looks like there are a number of variations that may be permissible. In my Dr. Atkins book, which was written over 10 years ago, whole grains were permitted at least in one case. This is in the Appendix B on pages 387 & 388, under the Meat and Millet diet for Insulin Regulation. It is mentioned "the basic principle of this diet is to eliminate sugars (simple carbohydrates) and replace them with starches (complex carbohydrates)...grains are allowed as whole grains...white flour is a refined carbohydrate and must be avoided."
Over the years I've been more and more convinced that the best diet, is one that avoids the junk foods that we commonly love like cookies, cakes, white breads, ice cream, pastries, and crackers etc. In general, foods found in their natural (non-processed) state seem to be best like whole grains, fresh vegetables, fruits, nuts, seeds, and meat etc.
I just wanted to write this, to say something nice about Dr. Atkins. I'm not a meat eater and never plan to follow any type of heavy-meat diet, but I've always held Dr. Atkins in high esteem. I wish more people would look at what we are eating, what we are putting in our bodies, so that we can take further steps in getting well, maintaining a good weight, and being healthy.
Chum
12-30-2002, 11:28 PM
It is too bad Atkins never made another diet plan which isnt so restrictive like a sugarbusters type plan. I think he is in the right direction, but many people will not give up certain foods.
Chelle1977
12-31-2002, 09:56 AM
Atkins is the same as any other diet with regards to regaining lost weight. If you change your eating habits to lose weight you can NOT change them back and expect to maintain. If you stop drinking beer to lose weight, you cannot expect to maintain the loss if you start drinking again. If you cut out a major food group to lose weight, you cannot expect to maintain it once you've started eating that type of food again.
And discovering something like Lupus through a diet is the reason that all diet and exercise plans tell you to consult a doctor before starting.
Miracleboyuk - I recommend that you go in and get a physical and ask your doctor for his/her recommendations. And do some research on lots of different eating plans, reading one book by one person is not enough information.
And discovering something like Lupus through a diet is the reason that all diet and exercise plans tell you to consult a doctor before starting.
Miracleboyuk - I recommend that you go in and get a physical and ask your doctor for his/her recommendations. And do some research on lots of different eating plans, reading one book by one person is not enough information.
auntjudyg
12-31-2002, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by Chum:
It is too bad Atkins never made another diet plan which isnt so restrictive like a sugarbusters type plan. I think he is in the right direction, but many people will not give up certain foods.
Anyone who has read his book(s) knows that his plan is not so restrictive in the long term as you characterize. Of course, this has been pointed out many time at this site, too, for anyone who cares to read and learn.
It is too bad Atkins never made another diet plan which isnt so restrictive like a sugarbusters type plan. I think he is in the right direction, but many people will not give up certain foods.
Anyone who has read his book(s) knows that his plan is not so restrictive in the long term as you characterize. Of course, this has been pointed out many time at this site, too, for anyone who cares to read and learn.
cross
12-31-2002, 10:53 AM
I once lost a lot of weight on Atkins and loved it. It worked and I never got bored of the life (I love cheese!) But I am one of those people that are affected by what is known as the "golden chance" It worked well exactly once.
Years later, after going off the program and the weight coming back, I tried again. Atkins didn't work. Weeks on the plan and nothing. I went to low cal and lost a few pounds. Tried Atkins again... nothing.
For some of us, it works once. Then it's time to move on.
Now I have a simple rule: No Sugars, No Grains, No Roots. Its Atkins-like and low glycemic. It seems to work for me, and now that the holidays are over, I'm going back to it.
One comment on Atkins. Like anything else in life, it works for those for whom it works. Nothing works for everyone. Debating whether or not Atkins is effective is like debating whether or not your religion is the 'right one'... can't be won/can't be lost.
Years later, after going off the program and the weight coming back, I tried again. Atkins didn't work. Weeks on the plan and nothing. I went to low cal and lost a few pounds. Tried Atkins again... nothing.
For some of us, it works once. Then it's time to move on.
Now I have a simple rule: No Sugars, No Grains, No Roots. Its Atkins-like and low glycemic. It seems to work for me, and now that the holidays are over, I'm going back to it.
One comment on Atkins. Like anything else in life, it works for those for whom it works. Nothing works for everyone. Debating whether or not Atkins is effective is like debating whether or not your religion is the 'right one'... can't be won/can't be lost.
Chelle1977
12-31-2002, 11:06 AM
I don't doubt that is possible to lose great amounts of weight on the Atkins plan. But how healthy is it? I'd rather be fat and ALIVE than thin and DEAD.
Its simple, if you want to lose weight and maintain the loss, you have to choose a program that you can follow for the rest of your life. The biggest downfall to Atkins that I can see is that so few people seem to manage to stick with it for the long haul. Not to say that it CAN'T be done, just that it isn't often.
Its simple, if you want to lose weight and maintain the loss, you have to choose a program that you can follow for the rest of your life. The biggest downfall to Atkins that I can see is that so few people seem to manage to stick with it for the long haul. Not to say that it CAN'T be done, just that it isn't often.
auntjudyg
12-31-2002, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by Chelle1977:
But how healthy is it? I'd rather be fat and ALIVE than thin and DEAD.
The biggest downfall to Atkins that I can see is that so few people seem to manage to stick with it for the long haul. Not to say that it CAN'T be done, just that it isn't often.
But isn't that the case with most weight-reduction plans? People are not making permanent changes. So Atkins is not unique there.
And the matter of how healthy the plan is at least open for debate now, after recent articles and a study. As was stated earlier, there are no studies or documented cases of people having negative health consequences as a result of Atkins. All the anti-Atkins literature I have read is based on "experts" insisting it would be unhealthy to eat that way. Why? Because they have done it or tested it? No. Because they "think" it would be unhealthy because "conventional wisdom" runs counter to Atkins' recommendations.
Just to throw in a note on something earlier in this thread . . . a study financed by Atkins would be suspect, but then many of his critics have been very vocal that Atkins never bothered to spend one cent of the millions that he made to do any kind of study. But of course, on another site, one of his critics blasted the recent study that was favorable to Atkins just because they have APPROACHED Atkins for financing. It gets a little ridiculous.
But how healthy is it? I'd rather be fat and ALIVE than thin and DEAD.
The biggest downfall to Atkins that I can see is that so few people seem to manage to stick with it for the long haul. Not to say that it CAN'T be done, just that it isn't often.
But isn't that the case with most weight-reduction plans? People are not making permanent changes. So Atkins is not unique there.
And the matter of how healthy the plan is at least open for debate now, after recent articles and a study. As was stated earlier, there are no studies or documented cases of people having negative health consequences as a result of Atkins. All the anti-Atkins literature I have read is based on "experts" insisting it would be unhealthy to eat that way. Why? Because they have done it or tested it? No. Because they "think" it would be unhealthy because "conventional wisdom" runs counter to Atkins' recommendations.
Just to throw in a note on something earlier in this thread . . . a study financed by Atkins would be suspect, but then many of his critics have been very vocal that Atkins never bothered to spend one cent of the millions that he made to do any kind of study. But of course, on another site, one of his critics blasted the recent study that was favorable to Atkins just because they have APPROACHED Atkins for financing. It gets a little ridiculous.
Chelle1977
12-31-2002, 12:11 PM
I stated the same thing earlier in this thread - that if you don't make permanent changes, the weight comes back on. Heck, I know *that* from personal experience. I let my habits slip and if I don't get control of it again, I'm going to end up where I started. I just think that more people have a harder time adjusting to, and sticking to, the changes Atkins requires. That is not a scientific fact, just an observation from time on weight loss boards. You hear a lot more of, "I tried Atkins and gained all the weight back" than you do, "I tried Atkins and I love it".
I'm waiting to see some long term, scientific studies done by someone other than Atkins.
I'm waiting to see some long term, scientific studies done by someone other than Atkins.
rhody
12-31-2002, 04:43 PM
Well here's one success story. I switched to natural foods, lost about 25 pounds and have not gained it back in about 18 years (plus or minus 5 pounds). I first said good-bye to all those "sweets and treats" that we love.
It happened sort of by accident. I changed my diet to help my health as well as initially lose the weight. I never yo-yo'ed back. It's nice to not worry about gaining weight.
It happened sort of by accident. I changed my diet to help my health as well as initially lose the weight. I never yo-yo'ed back. It's nice to not worry about gaining weight.
Chum
12-31-2002, 06:18 PM
"Anyone who has read his book(s) knows that his plan is not so restrictive in the long term as you characterize. Of course, this has been pointed out many time at this site, too, for anyone who cares to read and learn."
20 grams of carbs for 2 weeks is VERY restrictive. And the diet remains restrictive after reduction. Most people lose ketosis after 40 grams of carbs. This has been around since the early 70's and the only reason its popular today is the new generation of people who try and fail the diet. Sooner or later people feeling deprived cheat and quit the diet.
20 grams of carbs for 2 weeks is VERY restrictive. And the diet remains restrictive after reduction. Most people lose ketosis after 40 grams of carbs. This has been around since the early 70's and the only reason its popular today is the new generation of people who try and fail the diet. Sooner or later people feeling deprived cheat and quit the diet.
stilljustagirl
01-01-2003, 11:37 AM
I'm on Atkins,it's working great. You can buy low carb pasta, and there are hundreds of recipes that show you how to subsitute for your favorites such as lasagne and things. It's not all meat and eggs. The atkins website has hundreds of recipes for meals and deserts.
Denise F
01-01-2003, 05:13 PM
Dr Atkins Diet is not healthy for a lot of people.
A Doctor's approval can't even assure that you will
be OK on this diet. I didn't know that I had Lupus
and my Dr. didn't know either. It was just lying
silent, no test could uncover until I had my first
attack brought on by the Atkins Diet. Anyone, with
Rheumanoid Arthritis,Lupus or any other autoimmune
disease or even if it is in your family(since these
diseases often run in families) should not take a
chance to start this diet. I wish I had known this
before.
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A Doctor's approval can't even assure that you will
be OK on this diet. I didn't know that I had Lupus
and my Dr. didn't know either. It was just lying
silent, no test could uncover until I had my first
attack brought on by the Atkins Diet. Anyone, with
Rheumanoid Arthritis,Lupus or any other autoimmune
disease or even if it is in your family(since these
diseases often run in families) should not take a
chance to start this diet. I wish I had known this
before.
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arkie6
01-01-2003, 10:39 PM
Originally posted by Denise F:
...Anyone, with Rheumanoid Arthritis,Lupus or any other autoimmune disease or even if it is in your family(since these diseases often run in families) should not take a chance to start this diet.
Actually, most autoimmune disorders like rheumatoid arthritis are helped by a diet that avoids grain products. The gluten found in many grains, wheat in particular, has been implicated in numerous studies with the onset of rhematoid arthritis. In fact, many that follow a gluten free diet get significant relief if not out right remission of RA symptoms. And nothing harms your immune system more that sugar. In all of my research on health issues, I have never come across anything solidly implicating animal proteins or fats with autoimmune disorders (you do come across various vegetarian sites that blame nearly every ailment on animal foods). Milk proteins and sugars can be problematic for some though, so these might be best limited or avoided if you have a known autoimmune disorder or have immediate family with autoimmune disorders. So, I don't see any connection between Dr. Atkin's diet, which is low grain and low sugar and high in animal protein and fats, and autoimmune disorders.
More on the gluten / rheumatoid arthritis link >>> http://www.mercola.com/2001/may/26/wheat_gluten.htm
And here is a discussion on a possible link between Lupus and gluten intolerance >>> http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/lupus.txt
I did a search on google.com for [rheumatoid arthritis gluten] and [lupus gluten] and I got about 5,000 hits on each search.
...Anyone, with Rheumanoid Arthritis,Lupus or any other autoimmune disease or even if it is in your family(since these diseases often run in families) should not take a chance to start this diet.
Actually, most autoimmune disorders like rheumatoid arthritis are helped by a diet that avoids grain products. The gluten found in many grains, wheat in particular, has been implicated in numerous studies with the onset of rhematoid arthritis. In fact, many that follow a gluten free diet get significant relief if not out right remission of RA symptoms. And nothing harms your immune system more that sugar. In all of my research on health issues, I have never come across anything solidly implicating animal proteins or fats with autoimmune disorders (you do come across various vegetarian sites that blame nearly every ailment on animal foods). Milk proteins and sugars can be problematic for some though, so these might be best limited or avoided if you have a known autoimmune disorder or have immediate family with autoimmune disorders. So, I don't see any connection between Dr. Atkin's diet, which is low grain and low sugar and high in animal protein and fats, and autoimmune disorders.
More on the gluten / rheumatoid arthritis link >>> http://www.mercola.com/2001/may/26/wheat_gluten.htm
And here is a discussion on a possible link between Lupus and gluten intolerance >>> http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/lupus.txt
I did a search on google.com for [rheumatoid arthritis gluten] and [lupus gluten] and I got about 5,000 hits on each search.
Denise F
01-02-2003, 03:55 AM
I have no problem with the low grain and no sugar part
of his diet. The wheat or grain sensitivity you mentioned
is called Celiac disease. It is also an autoimmune disease. Unfortunately, autoimmune diseases can over-
lap and a person can have more than one.
So, it is always good to totally eliminate certain foods
such as sugar, grains and dairy and re-introduce them
one at a time to check for sensitivity.
As long as there is no gluten sensitivity grain is fine.
Most of the books I've read on lupus say to minimize
consumption of foods of animal origin and milk
products. Try to stay low fat, high fiber, fruits
and veg.and increase Omega threes.
You can also check out Dr Weil's site about high
protein diets. He says that if you are eating more
protein than your body requires it burns the protein
as fuel.Burning protein produces nitrogenous residues
that are not only irritating to the immune system
and toxic to the liver, but also put a load on the
kidneys. High protein diets may cause fatigue,
digestive system strain and aggravate allergies and
autoimmune diseases. Since, kidney problems are
very common in people with lupus it makes sense not
to do anything that could put any strain on them.
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I almost forgot Dr Weil also said that all that protein
forces the kidneys to get rid of urea and water and
along with those, go minerals from your body and
calcium from your bones. This I believe explains
why a male I know who was on this diet for ten years
and is just 31 has osteoperosis(sp?) Obviously,
no Dr. approved ten years on this diet and he would
not listen to any of his friends. As I stated in an
earlier post he went off the diet and gained back so fast you would not believe it. He's now 300 pounds
with thin bones. He may be unusual for having stayed
on it for so long but it gives one food for thought.
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of his diet. The wheat or grain sensitivity you mentioned
is called Celiac disease. It is also an autoimmune disease. Unfortunately, autoimmune diseases can over-
lap and a person can have more than one.
So, it is always good to totally eliminate certain foods
such as sugar, grains and dairy and re-introduce them
one at a time to check for sensitivity.
As long as there is no gluten sensitivity grain is fine.
Most of the books I've read on lupus say to minimize
consumption of foods of animal origin and milk
products. Try to stay low fat, high fiber, fruits
and veg.and increase Omega threes.
You can also check out Dr Weil's site about high
protein diets. He says that if you are eating more
protein than your body requires it burns the protein
as fuel.Burning protein produces nitrogenous residues
that are not only irritating to the immune system
and toxic to the liver, but also put a load on the
kidneys. High protein diets may cause fatigue,
digestive system strain and aggravate allergies and
autoimmune diseases. Since, kidney problems are
very common in people with lupus it makes sense not
to do anything that could put any strain on them.
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I almost forgot Dr Weil also said that all that protein
forces the kidneys to get rid of urea and water and
along with those, go minerals from your body and
calcium from your bones. This I believe explains
why a male I know who was on this diet for ten years
and is just 31 has osteoperosis(sp?) Obviously,
no Dr. approved ten years on this diet and he would
not listen to any of his friends. As I stated in an
earlier post he went off the diet and gained back so fast you would not believe it. He's now 300 pounds
with thin bones. He may be unusual for having stayed
on it for so long but it gives one food for thought.
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scooter9999
01-03-2003, 10:44 AM
It doesn't matter if Atkins is putting his money where his mouth is. And it's not like he's lacking in money. A huge mansion, and super-expensive place in Manhattan. If it takes 10 years to determine it's not safe, then anybody currently using it for the long-term is at risk. If it is determined that it is safe, then there's a bunch of happy people.
As Chelle1977 stated, a reasonble diet and exercise is sufficient for the majority of the population. And I realize that there are people out there that gain weight with little effort, but for the rest of us, we get what we pay for - or put in our mouths.
And the big thing about a reasonble diet and exercise, is that you don't need a long-term study to determine if it's a good thing.
I can't count how many times I've read 'Atkins works really good when I can stick to it'. This statement alone shows that whether Atkins works or not, if you can't stick to it, you're doomed to a life of yo-yo dieting.
Hard is it to believe, but most people could eat any kind of food at meal-time if the portion was reasonable, they managed to get some exercise, and they didn't snack on snacks that contain the food energy of a meal.
Even though adults are responsible for what we eat, the food industry makes it very tough. I just saw that dominos has a new desert to have with your pizza - it appears to be large donut-hole type snacks. Yikes, and pizza is already a meal that delivers 50%, 100%,...of most peoples daily energy requirements.
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As Chelle1977 stated, a reasonble diet and exercise is sufficient for the majority of the population. And I realize that there are people out there that gain weight with little effort, but for the rest of us, we get what we pay for - or put in our mouths.
And the big thing about a reasonble diet and exercise, is that you don't need a long-term study to determine if it's a good thing.
I can't count how many times I've read 'Atkins works really good when I can stick to it'. This statement alone shows that whether Atkins works or not, if you can't stick to it, you're doomed to a life of yo-yo dieting.
Hard is it to believe, but most people could eat any kind of food at meal-time if the portion was reasonable, they managed to get some exercise, and they didn't snack on snacks that contain the food energy of a meal.
Even though adults are responsible for what we eat, the food industry makes it very tough. I just saw that dominos has a new desert to have with your pizza - it appears to be large donut-hole type snacks. Yikes, and pizza is already a meal that delivers 50%, 100%,...of most peoples daily energy requirements.
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stilljustagirl
01-03-2003, 11:09 AM
Denise...perhaps your friend wasn't taking the correct supplements. This is always something to consider.
drs
01-03-2003, 11:14 AM
My husband has been on the Atkins diet for 2ys, not faithfully, but watches his weight daily, when his weight goes up, he curbs the carbs for a day or two, and drinks his water quota. Also he take chromium at least twice a day, on an empty stomach for the morning dose.
I personally went on the same diet a year ago, it totally screwed up my blood work, so I decided to go on one that was similar, that wasn't so restrictive, this one said to make sure to eat a low carb. veggie with the meal of protien. Then once a day I could have a reward meal, it had to be eaten within an hour, I had to have 1/3rd of each type of food :(not counting the required leaf salad before this meal)1/3rd veg.,1/3rd protien, and 1/3rd high carb. I could go back for seconds only if I took an equal portion of the veg., the protien, and the sweet or high carb. I also had to watch things that had msg's in them, coz according to the diet, this will make insulin spill into the liver and won't burn up the stored fats. And I took certain supplements too. I was on this diet till I lost the weight I wanted to. My cholesterol went from 329 and all bad numbers, to 192 with all good or excellent numbers! Then I went on to includding mineral sea salt with a water program, I have successfully kept the weight off without continuing the first diet by doing this water sea salt and mineral thing. It is a specific regime, but it's much better than dieting on just certain foods, also if I notice that I'm bloating, I do lay off the sweets for a day or two, but I can still have the carbs now. The first diet(NOT the atkins one)was called 'carbohydrates addict diet'. It seemed so much healthier than the atkins one,and I had good blood work results. The sea salt one is called 'water cure' diet. I've been on it almost a year. Christmas time this year I ate a ton of sugar, so now I'm bloating a little again, so all I do is curb the sugar for a day or two. So far so good for me. Diana :)
I personally went on the same diet a year ago, it totally screwed up my blood work, so I decided to go on one that was similar, that wasn't so restrictive, this one said to make sure to eat a low carb. veggie with the meal of protien. Then once a day I could have a reward meal, it had to be eaten within an hour, I had to have 1/3rd of each type of food :(not counting the required leaf salad before this meal)1/3rd veg.,1/3rd protien, and 1/3rd high carb. I could go back for seconds only if I took an equal portion of the veg., the protien, and the sweet or high carb. I also had to watch things that had msg's in them, coz according to the diet, this will make insulin spill into the liver and won't burn up the stored fats. And I took certain supplements too. I was on this diet till I lost the weight I wanted to. My cholesterol went from 329 and all bad numbers, to 192 with all good or excellent numbers! Then I went on to includding mineral sea salt with a water program, I have successfully kept the weight off without continuing the first diet by doing this water sea salt and mineral thing. It is a specific regime, but it's much better than dieting on just certain foods, also if I notice that I'm bloating, I do lay off the sweets for a day or two, but I can still have the carbs now. The first diet(NOT the atkins one)was called 'carbohydrates addict diet'. It seemed so much healthier than the atkins one,and I had good blood work results. The sea salt one is called 'water cure' diet. I've been on it almost a year. Christmas time this year I ate a ton of sugar, so now I'm bloating a little again, so all I do is curb the sugar for a day or two. So far so good for me. Diana :)
Chelle1977
01-03-2003, 11:27 AM
stilljustagirl - what an excellent point. Atkins diet does such a bad job or providing the nutrients that your body needs to remain healthy that you have to take supplements. And you'd want to do this diet why again?
Chum
01-03-2003, 04:44 PM
And dont forget the best supplements are atkins brands, and dont forget some tasty atkins advantage bars, and what would breakfast be without some atkins pancakes, and dont forget atkins syrups, and for dessert try an atkins shake, or nibble on an atkins chocolate bar. No wonder this guy lives the good life while people pay outrageous prices for his terrible products. I bet he dont eat them either! and dont forget he dident have a heart attack, it was an infection....yeah right
auntjudyg
01-06-2003, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by Denise F:
The wheat or grain sensitivity you mentioned
is called Celiac disease.
Just to nit-pick . . . not all wheat/grain/gluten senstitivity is Celiac disease . . . not by a long shot.
The wheat or grain sensitivity you mentioned
is called Celiac disease.
Just to nit-pick . . . not all wheat/grain/gluten senstitivity is Celiac disease . . . not by a long shot.
Sinnrah
01-06-2003, 10:59 AM
Hi,
Well, I just had t jump in here and say something.
Is this subject still being debated on? This is like a dog chasing its tail. Ya know?
Some say it is terrible then some say it is great.
I say to each their own. I personally love the low carb way of life. I never deny myself anything. Everything in moderation. I have not gained any of the weight back I have lost. I cheat ALL the time.
I also believe the success stories will vary from person to person. For some this is not the way to go. But for others it is. I am one that it has done wonders for. I do take vitamins everyday. But I would take vitamins even if I wasnt on any kind of low carb way of eating.
Okay sorry. Just my two cents.
Not ever meant to personally offend anyone. Just my own opinions.
Oh and one more thing. I hear more concerns from people about low carbing than smoking cigarettes. Now, mind you, this is from people I know. And that is not directed to anyone here.
Thanks
Sinnrah
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Well, I just had t jump in here and say something.
Is this subject still being debated on? This is like a dog chasing its tail. Ya know?
Some say it is terrible then some say it is great.
I say to each their own. I personally love the low carb way of life. I never deny myself anything. Everything in moderation. I have not gained any of the weight back I have lost. I cheat ALL the time.
I also believe the success stories will vary from person to person. For some this is not the way to go. But for others it is. I am one that it has done wonders for. I do take vitamins everyday. But I would take vitamins even if I wasnt on any kind of low carb way of eating.
Okay sorry. Just my two cents.
Not ever meant to personally offend anyone. Just my own opinions.
Oh and one more thing. I hear more concerns from people about low carbing than smoking cigarettes. Now, mind you, this is from people I know. And that is not directed to anyone here.
Thanks
Sinnrah
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Chelle1977
01-06-2003, 11:10 AM
Sinnarah - the simple fact that you "cheat all the time" tells me that you are not following the Atkins plan. You eat fewer carbs than the average American, maybe, but you aren't following "The Atkins Plan". To me, there is a big difference.
This issue will continue to be debated and if you don't like the debate, then don't read the posts. The original poster said that s/he read ONE book about weight loss and was going to use the proposed diet, but was worried about the choice. I think its well that he would be worried - he has not done nearly enough research. He doesn't mention other diets in the past, but if you've never tried the moderate approach of just eating smaller quantities of a diet you already follow without thinking about it, then why would you try something that is a drastic change? For weight loss to stick you have to continue, for live, the changes you've made. You might 'cheat all the time' but you still eat lower-carb than when you gained the weight, right? Thats how you're maintaining.
I'm glad that starting with the Atkins plan has worked well for you, but that doesn't mean I cannot hold the opinion that its too extreme for most people and that there are easier methods.
This issue will continue to be debated and if you don't like the debate, then don't read the posts. The original poster said that s/he read ONE book about weight loss and was going to use the proposed diet, but was worried about the choice. I think its well that he would be worried - he has not done nearly enough research. He doesn't mention other diets in the past, but if you've never tried the moderate approach of just eating smaller quantities of a diet you already follow without thinking about it, then why would you try something that is a drastic change? For weight loss to stick you have to continue, for live, the changes you've made. You might 'cheat all the time' but you still eat lower-carb than when you gained the weight, right? Thats how you're maintaining.
I'm glad that starting with the Atkins plan has worked well for you, but that doesn't mean I cannot hold the opinion that its too extreme for most people and that there are easier methods.
Sinnrah
01-06-2003, 11:38 AM
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Chelle1977
01-06-2003, 11:48 AM
My post was meant to be an answer to yours, not an attack of yours. And because it was an answer to you, I posted your name so you would know. I'll refrain from doing so in the future. I wouldn't want to share my opinion with someone who was going to be offended by it or take it as an attack anyway.
auntjudyg
01-06-2003, 01:29 PM
Sinnrah,
It's unbelievable, isn't it? I don't recall ONE post on this or the weight loss board with someone talking about a low-fat or low-calorie or whatever plan and anyone posting "no, no, no . . . low-carb is the only way to go".
It's unbelievable, isn't it? I don't recall ONE post on this or the weight loss board with someone talking about a low-fat or low-calorie or whatever plan and anyone posting "no, no, no . . . low-carb is the only way to go".
Chelle1977
01-06-2003, 01:40 PM
I don't want anyone to think that I'm saying that any one diet is *the* answer.
I eat fewer carbs than I did before (or was eating fewer - damn vending machine). But I do not "low-carb". I also eat less fat than before, but I do not "low-fat".
I'm moderate. To me, moderation is key. TO me, Atkins is not moderate. All I'm saying is this, make small changes to your current WOE before adopting a brand new one.
I eat fewer carbs than I did before (or was eating fewer - damn vending machine). But I do not "low-carb". I also eat less fat than before, but I do not "low-fat".
I'm moderate. To me, moderation is key. TO me, Atkins is not moderate. All I'm saying is this, make small changes to your current WOE before adopting a brand new one.
Sinnrah
01-06-2003, 01:47 PM
Auntjudy,
Well, I think it is pretty unbelievable...but I am afraid to type that out on this board anymore.
Every time I do I get BLASTED. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/bigcry.gif
Chelle, thanks for acknowledging the fact that I may be offened or take this as an attack. But I actually did. I value your opinion and views as I do w/ everyone. And I would only ask that you or anyone else respect my opinions that same way. I just want to be apart of this board and participate. I think you have a lot of knowledge about weightloss. And you have a lot of information that is good for people to know. I just dont want to feel like my opinion should not be posted. And I dont want anyone to think that I believe on way of eating is better than the other.
I only wish that every individual find what works for them and is healthy for them to do. This lifestyle is healthy for me and works for me. And I am sure yours is for you. I only want people to reach their goals. And to be happy.
Sinnrah :wave:
I signed my name twice. LOL DUHHHH
This is only my Opinion
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Well, I think it is pretty unbelievable...but I am afraid to type that out on this board anymore.
Every time I do I get BLASTED. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/bigcry.gif
Chelle, thanks for acknowledging the fact that I may be offened or take this as an attack. But I actually did. I value your opinion and views as I do w/ everyone. And I would only ask that you or anyone else respect my opinions that same way. I just want to be apart of this board and participate. I think you have a lot of knowledge about weightloss. And you have a lot of information that is good for people to know. I just dont want to feel like my opinion should not be posted. And I dont want anyone to think that I believe on way of eating is better than the other.
I only wish that every individual find what works for them and is healthy for them to do. This lifestyle is healthy for me and works for me. And I am sure yours is for you. I only want people to reach their goals. And to be happy.
Sinnrah :wave:
I signed my name twice. LOL DUHHHH
This is only my Opinion
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Chelle1977
01-06-2003, 01:58 PM
I don't EVER intend to belittle anyone's opinion Sinnarah, EVER. Not to say it doesn't come across that way, but its not my intention. Post all you want. Start threads, post responses. You can only be a part by posting.
Absinthe
01-06-2003, 01:59 PM
Chelle,
I'm in your camp. I think a diet with moderate amounts of all nutrients is far healthier than any of the extremes.
I just had an encounter with the cult of low-carb on another post. I mean it's just my thoughts on food, it's not like I was attacking someone's choice of religion or anything. Geez. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Anyway, keep up the good work. There are supporters in every camp.
I'm in your camp. I think a diet with moderate amounts of all nutrients is far healthier than any of the extremes.
I just had an encounter with the cult of low-carb on another post. I mean it's just my thoughts on food, it's not like I was attacking someone's choice of religion or anything. Geez. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif
Anyway, keep up the good work. There are supporters in every camp.
Magpiezoe
01-06-2003, 02:18 PM
Hello Aunt Judy, You're right. I don't see people get on the defensive on the weight loss board either. I guess they are too busy trying to help each other. Just try posting a low-fat diet on the high cholesterol board and see how much flak you get. I was just looking for some low-fat support, which I just can't seem to find on any of these boards and people started hammering me and trying to tell me to go on a low-carb diet when weight loss is not a problem for me. Naturally I got on the defensive, because I felt I was being attacked and they thought I was against the favored low-carb/Atkins diet. I'm not, because I feel everyone is different. I gave up looking for a low-fat buddy besides my sister, and we've both continued on our life style change. (Our low-fat diet.) It works great for us, but maybe not for everyone. Our cholesterol is down, and we are very greatful. One of the biggest problems that I have found with the low-fat diet is that doctors really don't give you the specifics on how to follow one or what you should eat. They just say 30% or less of your calories should be from fat and walk away. I had to do a lot of reading and research to tailor my own life style change as did my sister. Her plan is my plan with some added embellisments like not eating anything that contains 50%or more of saturated fat. She also eats less carbs than I do, but is still not low-carb...so even sisters can be the same and different at the same time. I'm sure if the poster posted to the high choleserol board, they would find more Atkins supporters to help out. Of the topic, does anyone know were there are low-fat supporters? (By-the way, I am tired of seeing the quote about "Low-fat diets have been around since the 70s and people are still over weight."...I know you didn't say that Aunt Judy, so I am really directing it at the people who do..."Atkins has been around since the 60s and people are still fat."...big deal...Not everyone is on a low fat diet....The "fat boys" suing Mcdonald's ate high fat/high carb food...so please, come up with a new arguement if you're intending on getting reactions.)This low-fat vs. low-carb is becoming a drag. Can't we just stop fighting and try to help each other.
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Chelle1977
01-06-2003, 04:24 PM
I used to use a different message board that was more "low-fat" than "low-carb". They've started charging a fee, but it was a great site. The name was CyberDiet (just do a websearch)
stilljustagirl
01-06-2003, 05:42 PM
Chelle, in response to your post, supplements are recommended with ANY diet not just Atkins, and even people who are not dieting have trouble getting the proper amounts of nutrients. Supplements are a good thing, your remark did not make me think any less of Atkins.
Makinmschf
01-06-2003, 06:21 PM
Mag...well I can honestly say if i were to label what i do it would fall closest in the range of low fast, low sugar...moderate carbs..I happen to have made wonderful progress with it and honestly eat more food than I ever have.I did however cut out all red meat...which wasnt difficult for me because I never particularly cared for it to begin with...I have also cut out all junk foods and white flour and white sugar products and exercise daily...doing 8 miles per day on treadmill and work with nautilaus equipment 3 times per week for toning..down 62 lbs ...only 20 more to go before I reach my original goal..I may shoot for 10 more after that!! Good luck and hang in there!!
Magpiezoe
01-07-2003, 10:31 AM
Hello Mak, Sounds like you're doing the right thing to me. It also sounds like if you keep doing what you're doing, you may never have to worry about high cholesterol or diabetes. I don't need to loose weight, because I am 115 lbs; however, I do have to watch my health. My family has a really bad medical history. I forgot to mention that my sister is watching her carbs. as well as the fat, because she doesn't really get a lot of exercise. I make her walk 30 min. a day, but I can't keep track of her at night. (We don't live near each other.) A lot of people tell me I do a lot of exercise, so that's probably why I don't have any trouble with carbs. (I fall into the 5-6 gains rule.) I walk with my sister for 30 min., 5 days/week. I exercise 45-60 min. at night, because that's the time that is best for me. (At night I alternate nights between a weight barring and aerobic night and a solid aerobic night.) On my lazy nights I sit in front of a TV with a gameboy while I pedal a stationary bike for at least 50 min. or more. I guess I burn it off. I am so happy just hearing of people's success stories. My mom had a lot of trouble loosing weight. She was 200 lbs. and only 5'2." I know the road to health or nice bods is not easy, but I really believe that, unless someone has a health problem, they've got to become strong willed and prove to themselves that they can succeed. Congrats!
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paulaj2
01-18-2003, 10:54 AM
A friend of mine went on it for three years and now one of her major organs has packed up, and the doctors put it down to this unhealthy diet. The diet is not a lifetime plan, so watch it. There are some healthy diets on hsionline.com which a friend 'gave' me. It has saved me. Good luck and stir clear of Atkins