Sunshine709
03-25-2003, 10:29 AM
I have noticed that some posts on this board say that you shuoldnt eat fruit if you wanna stay on a diet.. i dont understand that.. i thought that there was like no fat or anything in apples and oranges and stuff.. i have been cutting out eating after 8:00 unless i get hungry in then night which i resort to an apple or orange.. is this bad? and also im 5'5 and weigh approx 155 lbs.. i want to loose 30 lbs by June 15th what should my calorie intake be? and how much excersize should i be doing a day? Im new to this diet stuff so talk to me like 3 year old.. hehehe.
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auntjudyg
03-25-2003, 10:38 AM
It depends what kind of plan you are following.
On a low-carb plan (many on this board follow one or another of them), you want to watch fruit intake because fruits are high in carbs - though I have not seen anyone say not to eat them at all.
Fat is not that important a consideration on low-carb plans. But if you are on a low-fat plan, of course fruit is okay.
So continue with whatever is working for you.
Good luck!
On a low-carb plan (many on this board follow one or another of them), you want to watch fruit intake because fruits are high in carbs - though I have not seen anyone say not to eat them at all.
Fat is not that important a consideration on low-carb plans. But if you are on a low-fat plan, of course fruit is okay.
So continue with whatever is working for you.
Good luck!
ramsemonius
03-26-2003, 06:17 PM
In my opinion, there's only one plan - the eating healthy plan. Humans are designed to eat fruit, especially between meals as a snack. All these low-carb freaks say fruit is bad. They're buying into a fad diet. A real diet is one you can stick with. The 2 primary reasons people are fat and unhealthy is because of an overall lack of fruits and vegetables and a lack of exercise. This is the truth! That said, I wish you all a blessed journey! Ramsemonius.
auntjudyg
03-26-2003, 07:51 PM
Ramsemonius, not all low-carb freaks say that fruit is bad. Actually I don't know any who say that fruit is bad. I have only heard critics of low-carb plans saying the low-carb freaks say that fruit is bad, and it only takes a tiny bit of investigation to see that it is not true.
It has been my experience based on listening to different people and learning about their experiences that there is no one healthy eating plan.
It has been my experience based on listening to different people and learning about their experiences that there is no one healthy eating plan.
DeeDeeWith3
03-26-2003, 08:29 PM
I just want to put my 2 cents in by saying that I did not put on some pounds by eating too many apples. :)
sean
03-26-2003, 11:36 PM
Hello all,
I follow a low carb regimen, have for more than four years, and eat lots of vegetables--especially leafy ones--and some fruit, regularly.
Low carbers AND low calorie folks will see some fruits, such as bananas, as costly to a weight loss program, but that doesn't mean ALL fruits, and doesn't even mean no bananas, ever. But it sure would suggest limiting the high-sugar fruits.
melon, most berries, especially strawberries, and some apples are actually pretty moderate in sugars. oranges sort of in the middle.
NO diet to lose weight should be followed without modification for a lifetime. at some point you reach a reasonable weight and start to lossen up ( a BIT, people--give up all discipline, and you're right back where you started!) Therefore, it is silly to compare diets/meal plans that people follow to lost say ten pounds over three months, with how to eat for a lifetime.
So, reducing (I didn't say eliminating) fruit for a while to lose weight is not the same as giving it up for ever.
Just like folks who practice the only diet that does NOT get called a "fad" diet by someone--namely the low calorie, low fat diet--would NOT be well advised to follow this forever, either.
By the way, low fat, low protein diets are the ONLY ones found to have serious health consequences in the long run. that's what the research says, anyway. how come these diets don't get called "dangerous"? or "fads"?
Why this need to call the other guy's diet names?
Even though I keep my fruit intake moderate, i sure agree that its impossible to believe that Americans' obesity problem comes from too much fruit!
peace
sean
I follow a low carb regimen, have for more than four years, and eat lots of vegetables--especially leafy ones--and some fruit, regularly.
Low carbers AND low calorie folks will see some fruits, such as bananas, as costly to a weight loss program, but that doesn't mean ALL fruits, and doesn't even mean no bananas, ever. But it sure would suggest limiting the high-sugar fruits.
melon, most berries, especially strawberries, and some apples are actually pretty moderate in sugars. oranges sort of in the middle.
NO diet to lose weight should be followed without modification for a lifetime. at some point you reach a reasonable weight and start to lossen up ( a BIT, people--give up all discipline, and you're right back where you started!) Therefore, it is silly to compare diets/meal plans that people follow to lost say ten pounds over three months, with how to eat for a lifetime.
So, reducing (I didn't say eliminating) fruit for a while to lose weight is not the same as giving it up for ever.
Just like folks who practice the only diet that does NOT get called a "fad" diet by someone--namely the low calorie, low fat diet--would NOT be well advised to follow this forever, either.
By the way, low fat, low protein diets are the ONLY ones found to have serious health consequences in the long run. that's what the research says, anyway. how come these diets don't get called "dangerous"? or "fads"?
Why this need to call the other guy's diet names?
Even though I keep my fruit intake moderate, i sure agree that its impossible to believe that Americans' obesity problem comes from too much fruit!
peace
sean
Magpiezoe
03-27-2003, 12:04 PM
Hello, Apples are great period. High fiber, low cal., and low fat. Yes they have sugar, but not as much sugar as the stuff some people put on the apple like peanut butter. (That has sugar add if you're using a brand name peanut butter.) Ever hear the old saying, "An apple a day keeps the doctor away." It's the rest of your menu you might want to look at, if you're gaining weight. Also, fun exercise is a good idea. Just don't reach for those high cal. health bars and you'll be fine.
As far as name calling and diet bashing...The orignal poster did not say they were a low fat person; eventhough, low-carbers got bashed. The mad low-carber is just as bad, since he/she bashed low-fatter. The low fat diet is the most misunderstood diet, which is one of the reasons why it works for some people and not all. I am on a low-fat diet for life. I haven't seen any studies saying that low-fat is bad. The only thing I did see was that some people think they are on a low fat diet, because they are gorging themselvs on low fat and fat free foods, which means that they aren't really on a low fat diet to begin with. A lot of the processed foods marketed as low fat, are really not low fat. They are lower in fat than a comprable product. They still have too much fat. You do need fat in your diet, but not an abundance of it. So just chill.
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As far as name calling and diet bashing...The orignal poster did not say they were a low fat person; eventhough, low-carbers got bashed. The mad low-carber is just as bad, since he/she bashed low-fatter. The low fat diet is the most misunderstood diet, which is one of the reasons why it works for some people and not all. I am on a low-fat diet for life. I haven't seen any studies saying that low-fat is bad. The only thing I did see was that some people think they are on a low fat diet, because they are gorging themselvs on low fat and fat free foods, which means that they aren't really on a low fat diet to begin with. A lot of the processed foods marketed as low fat, are really not low fat. They are lower in fat than a comprable product. They still have too much fat. You do need fat in your diet, but not an abundance of it. So just chill.
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Strive to define
03-27-2003, 03:49 PM
"In my opinion, there's only one plan - the eating healthy plan. Humans are designed to eat fruit, especially between meals as a snack. All these low-carb freaks say fruit is bad. They're buying into a fad diet. A real diet is one you can stick with. The 2 primary reasons people are fat and unhealthy is because of an overall lack of fruits and vegetables and a lack of exercise. This is the truth! That said, I wish you all a blessed journey! Ramsemonius."
YES! Thank you.
Atkins is one of the most unhealthy fad diets out there. Ask a doctor about how it taxes the kidneys. I bought into the hype trying to get "cut" and suffered the consequences. Yes, personal experience, not just banter.
When will people realize that it is simply a matter of healthy eating and exercise? When will people stop being lazy and resorting to books and diets that tell you when to eat, what to eat and how much to eat?
Eliminating one essential food group from your diet is complete stupidity.
If reaching for an apple keeps you from reaching for a candy bar, GREAT.
Apples are very good for you and you shouldn't be afraid to eat them. Atkins is full of BS. The Atkins fad came out in the 70s. It was BS then and it resurfaced in the 90s (same concepts just more marketing along with packaged products). Atkins is nothing more than a fad diet. You can lose weight eating just grapefruits (or cardboard for that matter) but that doesn't make it healthy.
YES! Thank you.
Atkins is one of the most unhealthy fad diets out there. Ask a doctor about how it taxes the kidneys. I bought into the hype trying to get "cut" and suffered the consequences. Yes, personal experience, not just banter.
When will people realize that it is simply a matter of healthy eating and exercise? When will people stop being lazy and resorting to books and diets that tell you when to eat, what to eat and how much to eat?
Eliminating one essential food group from your diet is complete stupidity.
If reaching for an apple keeps you from reaching for a candy bar, GREAT.
Apples are very good for you and you shouldn't be afraid to eat them. Atkins is full of BS. The Atkins fad came out in the 70s. It was BS then and it resurfaced in the 90s (same concepts just more marketing along with packaged products). Atkins is nothing more than a fad diet. You can lose weight eating just grapefruits (or cardboard for that matter) but that doesn't make it healthy.
ramsemonius
03-27-2003, 05:09 PM
Thanks for backing me up Strive to Define. :)
My apoligies if my comments offended anybody. Also, I tip my hat to Aunt Judy, not all low carbers are against fruit, which I'm glad to hear. Still, I've had several people outside this board say they've heard fruits are bad because they're high in sugar.
Elaborating on my original point, the most obvious shortcoming of the average american diet, is a grotesquely deficient intake of fruits and vegetables. Even the lame USFDA has figured out that 5-9 servings per day is optimal. I personally have seen that most people I know eat 1-3 servings per day. HELLO! DUH! Fruits and vegetables provide much of the essential nutrients, especially vitamins and minerals, not to mention a host of beneficial phytochemicals, and fiber that prevent and fight disease. If you are getting the proper amount of F&V in your diet, I guarantee you, that you will not have any room for a whole lot of extra carbs, fat, protein, candy, whatever!!! I believe part of the problem, is that most people are in a "yummy phase", they are basically conditioned to unreasonably sweet foods, and they avoid vegetables. I have found that eating 100% raw vegetables sucks as well. It doesn't taste really good at all. But over time, I found they can taste good by steaming or stirfrying, with a little garlic salt, ghee, and/or olive oil. I recommend eating at least 1/2 of your vegetables cooked, and yes I have researched and slightly cooking or steaming most vegetables does not kill all the nutrients - thats bulls$%^, you actually can digest them better and avoid intestinal flora disorders.
Further to my point, there is also much reserach to suggest that the human body can survive on a wide range of different protein/carb/fat ratios. The body has an amazing ability to adjust metabolism of these macronutrients. Its mostly deficiencies of micronutrients that cause disease. Sorry for the length. Best,
Ramsemonius.
My apoligies if my comments offended anybody. Also, I tip my hat to Aunt Judy, not all low carbers are against fruit, which I'm glad to hear. Still, I've had several people outside this board say they've heard fruits are bad because they're high in sugar.
Elaborating on my original point, the most obvious shortcoming of the average american diet, is a grotesquely deficient intake of fruits and vegetables. Even the lame USFDA has figured out that 5-9 servings per day is optimal. I personally have seen that most people I know eat 1-3 servings per day. HELLO! DUH! Fruits and vegetables provide much of the essential nutrients, especially vitamins and minerals, not to mention a host of beneficial phytochemicals, and fiber that prevent and fight disease. If you are getting the proper amount of F&V in your diet, I guarantee you, that you will not have any room for a whole lot of extra carbs, fat, protein, candy, whatever!!! I believe part of the problem, is that most people are in a "yummy phase", they are basically conditioned to unreasonably sweet foods, and they avoid vegetables. I have found that eating 100% raw vegetables sucks as well. It doesn't taste really good at all. But over time, I found they can taste good by steaming or stirfrying, with a little garlic salt, ghee, and/or olive oil. I recommend eating at least 1/2 of your vegetables cooked, and yes I have researched and slightly cooking or steaming most vegetables does not kill all the nutrients - thats bulls$%^, you actually can digest them better and avoid intestinal flora disorders.
Further to my point, there is also much reserach to suggest that the human body can survive on a wide range of different protein/carb/fat ratios. The body has an amazing ability to adjust metabolism of these macronutrients. Its mostly deficiencies of micronutrients that cause disease. Sorry for the length. Best,
Ramsemonius.
Strive to define
03-27-2003, 07:36 PM
You are MORE THAN WELCOME!
Sometimes I feel like people would rather take the easy way out and fail, rather than making LIFESTYLE changes.
Glad to see there is someone else out there who realizes that the "hoopla" isn't the way to go.
Sometimes I feel like people would rather take the easy way out and fail, rather than making LIFESTYLE changes.
Glad to see there is someone else out there who realizes that the "hoopla" isn't the way to go.
ysone
03-27-2003, 10:07 PM
Fruits are the greatest. I have been following the alkaline ash diet mentioned by Paerca for 2 years now and I am so much healthier than I have been for so long. It has brought me back to life after I almost killed myself by aspartame injestion. I thought sugar-free was the way to go, and it almost was the way I went! But thanks to lots of fresh raw fruits and vegetables, I am still alive and recovering wonderfully. Sunshine, if you really want to reach your goal, please give this a try. The closer to nature you get your foods, the healthier you will be. Leave all those processed foods on the store shelves and fill your cart and your body with lots of fruits and veggies. Best of Luck to you.
ysone
03-27-2003, 10:17 PM
I also forgot to mention that Ramsemonius has a very good point that you can steam or stir-fry your vegetables without doing too much damage to them. But stop cooking them while they are still somewhat firm. That way they will still retain most of their nutrients.
Kathrin74
03-28-2003, 07:41 AM
I love apples and I eat lots of them.
Since I am very thin I don't think apples should make you fat.
But maybe different foods affect different people differently, who knows. Anyway, in my opinion, fruit is a healthy choice for eating. Haven't we humans originally been mostly fruit eaters?? In any case, apes eat fruits a lot, and they are our closest relatives, right?
Kathrin
Since I am very thin I don't think apples should make you fat.
But maybe different foods affect different people differently, who knows. Anyway, in my opinion, fruit is a healthy choice for eating. Haven't we humans originally been mostly fruit eaters?? In any case, apes eat fruits a lot, and they are our closest relatives, right?
Kathrin
shooter1971
03-29-2003, 11:58 AM
Eating fruit is very good for you. It's not the fruit that makes people gain weight, it's too many calories. Anything in moderation is alright, yes even high fat foods. The key is moderation, and most people consume way more calories than they think they do.
luvdatbud
03-30-2003, 12:40 PM
I heard eating an apple after a meal or where you can't brush your teeth can kill 90% of bacteria in your mouth. Props to apples!!!
Magpiezoe
03-31-2003, 09:46 AM
Hello, It looks like we all agree on apples, but what about the "evil" potato or "evil" orange? I've seen some people on this board downing potatoes and oranges, because they are too high in carbs. True the potato is a starch and if fried can absorb a lot of fat, but baked or boiled it does have some goodies in it. A potato has potassium, and if it's a sweet potato or yam it also has vitamin A. The orange really is a "good guy" as far as I'm concerned with it's vitamin c and fiber you can't go wrong. What do you all think? I guess I'm opening up another box. (I'm a vegie/fruit lover too.) I just exchanged one of my slices of morning toast for fruit so now I have 1 slice of toast, (homemade bread)1 fruit, 1 juice, and 1 "evil" coffie for breakfast. This way I have 1 fruit with every meal in addition to my vegies. (Prunes make a great dessert for supper!)
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Samuelemouse
04-07-2003, 08:55 AM
They're too many people out there who got fat on fruit (with the exception perhaps of bananas and avocadoes). I have been the same weight for 30 years and I eat as much fruit as I want a day (and it is a lot).
Magpiezoe
04-07-2003, 10:31 AM
Hello, Bananas are also good in potasium, but they are also high in calories and considered a starch just like potatoes. I cant imagine anyone getting fat on fruit, unless they are eating a lot of other junk too and going to restaurant or getting take-outs every week. Then again, I quess people can over due anything. I eat bananas too, but in limited quantities since they make me feel too full. I eat more berries, citrus fruits, and mellons...All of those have antioxidents, which is what I desparately need due to my bad family medical history.
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MarkTime
04-11-2003, 03:22 PM
@Sunshine
I just want to comment about 30lbs by June 15th.
When I diet, I max out at 10lbs per month. I couldn't meet that goal and I thought I was fairly fanatical dieter. But then again, every person is different.
I lot of people diet, usually bouncing around at a weight level a little heavier than they would like. But like you, I set my weight goal to be all the way at my ideal weight. at 5'11" I set my goal at 160lbs, and sometimes I'll even bounce down to the low 150's before putting the diet to rest.
So...I understand the idea that the diet isn't over until a certain goal is reached, by the time I am 170 lbs or less, people are practically screaming at me that I have no reason to diet..but they don't understand a goal must be accomplished.
I understand that part, but why June 15th?...you are already at a healthy weight...as far as I know, so who cares....I'm just curious, I realize its none of my business.
Good luck
I just want to comment about 30lbs by June 15th.
When I diet, I max out at 10lbs per month. I couldn't meet that goal and I thought I was fairly fanatical dieter. But then again, every person is different.
I lot of people diet, usually bouncing around at a weight level a little heavier than they would like. But like you, I set my weight goal to be all the way at my ideal weight. at 5'11" I set my goal at 160lbs, and sometimes I'll even bounce down to the low 150's before putting the diet to rest.
So...I understand the idea that the diet isn't over until a certain goal is reached, by the time I am 170 lbs or less, people are practically screaming at me that I have no reason to diet..but they don't understand a goal must be accomplished.
I understand that part, but why June 15th?...you are already at a healthy weight...as far as I know, so who cares....I'm just curious, I realize its none of my business.
Good luck
scooter9999
04-14-2003, 05:57 PM
Like someone mentioned, they didn't think they got fat eating too much fruit. Or at least fruit in it's natural state.
And when it comes to no sugar added fruit juice, I think it's only slight step up from sugar added drinks. Fine in reasonble quantities, expecially if you need some calories and vitamins in a a quick way. But too much juice hardly compares to the benefits of the fibre, etc... in whole fruit.
And when it comes to no sugar added fruit juice, I think it's only slight step up from sugar added drinks. Fine in reasonble quantities, expecially if you need some calories and vitamins in a a quick way. But too much juice hardly compares to the benefits of the fibre, etc... in whole fruit.
sean
04-15-2003, 01:09 AM
okay, so many people have now responded--low carbers, low fatters, low calorie-ers, whatever, and NObody says to avoid apples. So, can we put this false issue to rest already?
All low carb researchers--atkins and the rest, stress eating lots of veggies and some--certainly not so much, but some--fruit.
No one should confuse what we do to lose weight (say, keep carbs udner 50 grams per day, or calories under 1,400 per day, or whatever) with what we eat to live a normal life thereafter. Yes, we MUST retain some of the discipline we used while dieting to avoid just piling the pounds back on, but the fact that we restrict sugars during weight loss periods, even sugars from fruit, does not mean those fruits are "bad."
As to juices, I'm sorry to say most fruit juices, even "unsweetened" ones are as high in sugar as common sodas. And, with some exceptions, these sugars come without the fiber, and usually without the phytochemicals we get from fresh, whole fruit. So, if you're worrried about weight gain or loss, fruit juices are worth monitoring carefully (notice I didn't say eliminate them--although I have sort of chosen that for myself, more or less).
good luck
sean
[This message has been edited by sean (edited 04-15-2003).]
All low carb researchers--atkins and the rest, stress eating lots of veggies and some--certainly not so much, but some--fruit.
No one should confuse what we do to lose weight (say, keep carbs udner 50 grams per day, or calories under 1,400 per day, or whatever) with what we eat to live a normal life thereafter. Yes, we MUST retain some of the discipline we used while dieting to avoid just piling the pounds back on, but the fact that we restrict sugars during weight loss periods, even sugars from fruit, does not mean those fruits are "bad."
As to juices, I'm sorry to say most fruit juices, even "unsweetened" ones are as high in sugar as common sodas. And, with some exceptions, these sugars come without the fiber, and usually without the phytochemicals we get from fresh, whole fruit. So, if you're worrried about weight gain or loss, fruit juices are worth monitoring carefully (notice I didn't say eliminate them--although I have sort of chosen that for myself, more or less).
good luck
sean
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cocacolagirl
04-21-2003, 11:24 AM
I am sorry guys but atkins is a fad. You have to "limit" fruits. Fruit for crying out loud... Come on. They are good for you. High in vitamins, high in everything needed to be healthy, high in everything a bottle of vitamins can give you if not more.
I say eay 5 apples a day if you want to. They are good for you. I am not going to cut apples out of my diet b/c some old man says they are not good b/c they contain carbs and sugar. That is craziness. I have maintained my weight for years now by eating healthy and yes that does mean I eat carbs AND sugar, and lots of it. But I make the wise choice of eating healthy carbs and sugars instead of twinkies and bad stuff. I choose things like apples and fruit because i know it is the stuff my body needs.
I say eay 5 apples a day if you want to. They are good for you. I am not going to cut apples out of my diet b/c some old man says they are not good b/c they contain carbs and sugar. That is craziness. I have maintained my weight for years now by eating healthy and yes that does mean I eat carbs AND sugar, and lots of it. But I make the wise choice of eating healthy carbs and sugars instead of twinkies and bad stuff. I choose things like apples and fruit because i know it is the stuff my body needs.
sean
04-21-2003, 11:35 PM
Congratulations, you do not need diet advice, and are wise to keep eating whatever keeps you healthy and your weight at a good place. (I assume you read and post on this message board just to share your good fortune with everyone.)
As a general principle, the body does not usually lose weight "naturally." There are some exceptions, but usually weight loss, especially marked weight loss is contrary to almost every `instinct and biological process built up since we evolved up out of the muck.
So, if a person has arrived at a point in his or her life where for metabolic or behavioral reasons, or both, his weight is too high for good health, what that person will do to lose it will not be "natural" in the most perfect sense of the word. The diet he follows to lose massive weight will not be an ideal diet for someone--like you--who is alredy at a great weight. He or she will cut calories below what is neede to maintain equilibrium, or cut fats very low, or cut carbs, etc. This is why ALL weight loss diets are "fads" in the sense you are using it. None are a way to eat forever. None are perfectly balanced. If they were, one would not lose weight on them.
Atkins differs from some other diets in restricting carbs rather than calories, and especially during the first two weeks. But then his approach adds carbs, especially complex carbs, back into the diet some at a time, until you are at a place where you can maintain your weight and health for life. There's lots of room for heaps of vegetables, and plenty of room for fruit, although the highest sugar fruits such as bananas might always be recommended only in moderation.
I don't know of ANYone who has actually read and studied Atkins who actually thinks it would prevent eating apples or fruit generally. The only people who have this impression are those who feel that, since it's a "fad" they don't have to learn anything more about it. And since they don't have to know anything about something to author an internet post about it, well....here we are.
peace
sean
As a general principle, the body does not usually lose weight "naturally." There are some exceptions, but usually weight loss, especially marked weight loss is contrary to almost every `instinct and biological process built up since we evolved up out of the muck.
So, if a person has arrived at a point in his or her life where for metabolic or behavioral reasons, or both, his weight is too high for good health, what that person will do to lose it will not be "natural" in the most perfect sense of the word. The diet he follows to lose massive weight will not be an ideal diet for someone--like you--who is alredy at a great weight. He or she will cut calories below what is neede to maintain equilibrium, or cut fats very low, or cut carbs, etc. This is why ALL weight loss diets are "fads" in the sense you are using it. None are a way to eat forever. None are perfectly balanced. If they were, one would not lose weight on them.
Atkins differs from some other diets in restricting carbs rather than calories, and especially during the first two weeks. But then his approach adds carbs, especially complex carbs, back into the diet some at a time, until you are at a place where you can maintain your weight and health for life. There's lots of room for heaps of vegetables, and plenty of room for fruit, although the highest sugar fruits such as bananas might always be recommended only in moderation.
I don't know of ANYone who has actually read and studied Atkins who actually thinks it would prevent eating apples or fruit generally. The only people who have this impression are those who feel that, since it's a "fad" they don't have to learn anything more about it. And since they don't have to know anything about something to author an internet post about it, well....here we are.
peace
sean
cocacolagirl
04-22-2003, 07:42 PM
fyi Sean I have read Atkins books, quite a few of them and even after the so called induction period, carbs are still strictly limited to like 20g per day.
Now according to doctors such as for the american health assc., they reccomend up to 200g a day. I am not saying 200 is what everyone should strive for, but if I wanted to eat a couple ears of corn and an couple apples a day (which for my heart would be excellent), dr. atkins would have a heart attack.
By the way, a fad is something defined as something that only interests people for a short time. I look at a diet as something I live with for life because I want to be healthy. My diet IS what makes me healthy. Apples are part of my diet and contrary to what people think, all I was saying was is that they ARE healthy no matter what the carb count may be. It's not the same as eating a twinkie.
Now according to doctors such as for the american health assc., they reccomend up to 200g a day. I am not saying 200 is what everyone should strive for, but if I wanted to eat a couple ears of corn and an couple apples a day (which for my heart would be excellent), dr. atkins would have a heart attack.
By the way, a fad is something defined as something that only interests people for a short time. I look at a diet as something I live with for life because I want to be healthy. My diet IS what makes me healthy. Apples are part of my diet and contrary to what people think, all I was saying was is that they ARE healthy no matter what the carb count may be. It's not the same as eating a twinkie.
sean
04-22-2003, 11:41 PM
Hi back,
If indeed you read the books, it must have been with your bad eye. 20 grams a day is considered--yes by Dr. Atkins himself--as a radical carb restriction, and is recomended only for the first two weeks of induction. and NO, not thereafter, in any but exceptional cases.
read 'em again.
Most low-carbers who are past the two-week long induction period work themsilves into a diet that--over the months following induction, gets up to 50 grams, then about 80 to 150 grams per day (from my informal survey of my friends and acquaintances, anyway). Or they just don't count carbs much, or calories, or fats, at all. Their choices just don't include empty calorie foods much anymore.
Read 'em again.
And, by the way, if the word "fad" has to do with passing, temporary public interest, Atkins surely does not qualify. Its decades now, and the low carb approach just gets more attention and more respect from practitioners each year.
AND, by the way again, or by the other way, or whatever, apples and corn on the cob each have about 20 grams of carbs, so if you ate two of each in a day, you'd be at 80--not so good for induction, but competely workable for the later stages of the diet, depending on each indivual, of course. Atkins surely would NOT have aheart attack over it.
Especially now that he's dead.
I say, read the books again. You seem to have skipped the pages with text on them. And the ones with numbers on them, too.
yours for good health--
sean
If indeed you read the books, it must have been with your bad eye. 20 grams a day is considered--yes by Dr. Atkins himself--as a radical carb restriction, and is recomended only for the first two weeks of induction. and NO, not thereafter, in any but exceptional cases.
read 'em again.
Most low-carbers who are past the two-week long induction period work themsilves into a diet that--over the months following induction, gets up to 50 grams, then about 80 to 150 grams per day (from my informal survey of my friends and acquaintances, anyway). Or they just don't count carbs much, or calories, or fats, at all. Their choices just don't include empty calorie foods much anymore.
Read 'em again.
And, by the way, if the word "fad" has to do with passing, temporary public interest, Atkins surely does not qualify. Its decades now, and the low carb approach just gets more attention and more respect from practitioners each year.
AND, by the way again, or by the other way, or whatever, apples and corn on the cob each have about 20 grams of carbs, so if you ate two of each in a day, you'd be at 80--not so good for induction, but competely workable for the later stages of the diet, depending on each indivual, of course. Atkins surely would NOT have aheart attack over it.
Especially now that he's dead.
I say, read the books again. You seem to have skipped the pages with text on them. And the ones with numbers on them, too.
yours for good health--
sean
sean
04-22-2003, 11:43 PM
oh, and as i said in an earlier post, we ALL agree that apples are good food. I like slices of green apple with my sharp (full fat) cheeses!
yum.
sean
yum.
sean
onedaisiegal
04-27-2003, 02:15 PM
Haha....Sean you are too funny!
Anyway, I think I eat too much fruit. Fruit is like...60% of my daily food intake. I wonder if it is actually making my diet more difficult by eating so much fruit, because even though my blood sugar is soaring due to fruit consumption, I still have unbelieveable cravings. The science behind this.....dont have a clue.
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Anyway, I think I eat too much fruit. Fruit is like...60% of my daily food intake. I wonder if it is actually making my diet more difficult by eating so much fruit, because even though my blood sugar is soaring due to fruit consumption, I still have unbelieveable cravings. The science behind this.....dont have a clue.
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sean
04-27-2003, 04:37 PM
Hi Daisies,
Thanks for the kind words.
The theory behind carb cravings is that they are caused by excess insulin, which drives blood sugar too low, which causes cravings for sugars and other carbs, which cause an insulin release, which drops blood sugar, etc. etc.
So, paradoxically, eathing the sweet or carb-rich food leads to lower blood sugar (in some of us), leading to more cravings, etc.
This is particularly true of those of us who are insulin-resistant. Depending on which stuides you read, this is estimated to include 30 to 45% of Americans--lots of us, in other words.
The ATkins approach to this situation (and others' too, Atkins is just the guy who made it famous), is to go through at least a short period--usually two weeks or so--of cutting carbs SO low (20 grams or less), as to break the chain, and stop the body producing insulin.
Then, carbs are added back into the diet (over a period of months, not days!), so as to balance one's diet, while not kicking off the insulin reactions again. It is probably a good idea to read his book, or the Carb Addicts book, or Protein Power. Any of these will explain the insulin/craving relationship, I think.
good luck!
and thanks again
sean
Thanks for the kind words.
The theory behind carb cravings is that they are caused by excess insulin, which drives blood sugar too low, which causes cravings for sugars and other carbs, which cause an insulin release, which drops blood sugar, etc. etc.
So, paradoxically, eathing the sweet or carb-rich food leads to lower blood sugar (in some of us), leading to more cravings, etc.
This is particularly true of those of us who are insulin-resistant. Depending on which stuides you read, this is estimated to include 30 to 45% of Americans--lots of us, in other words.
The ATkins approach to this situation (and others' too, Atkins is just the guy who made it famous), is to go through at least a short period--usually two weeks or so--of cutting carbs SO low (20 grams or less), as to break the chain, and stop the body producing insulin.
Then, carbs are added back into the diet (over a period of months, not days!), so as to balance one's diet, while not kicking off the insulin reactions again. It is probably a good idea to read his book, or the Carb Addicts book, or Protein Power. Any of these will explain the insulin/craving relationship, I think.
good luck!
and thanks again
sean
cocacolagirl
04-27-2003, 07:41 PM
I have never met any atkins dieter who allow themselves up to even 100 g of carbs a day. I have yet to meet one.
Sean, why the need to cut me down. I was just stating my opinion, as I believe we are allowed to do on this board. I myself eat about 150 g of carbs a day, what is the point of doing the atkins diet if you are not going to restrict them below that (which is what most of the books I read suggested you do)? That's all I meant. I wasn't trying to be rude to you as you obviously were to me, so sorry for stating an opinion.
Sean, why the need to cut me down. I was just stating my opinion, as I believe we are allowed to do on this board. I myself eat about 150 g of carbs a day, what is the point of doing the atkins diet if you are not going to restrict them below that (which is what most of the books I read suggested you do)? That's all I meant. I wasn't trying to be rude to you as you obviously were to me, so sorry for stating an opinion.
onedaisiegal
04-27-2003, 08:00 PM
Wow, thanx for the info Sean! It all makes so much sense now! :round:
cocacolagirl - Sean wasnt putting what you said down, he was just trying to lighten the message with a bit of humor! :round:
cocacolagirl - Sean wasnt putting what you said down, he was just trying to lighten the message with a bit of humor! :round:
sean
04-28-2003, 12:57 AM
Hey cocagirl--
Okay, I was harsh. I'm sorry. I was indeed trying to be funny, but it had an edge. Mostly cause of this:
"fyi Sean I have read Atkins books, quite a few of them and even after the so called induction period, carbs are still strictly limited to like 20g per day."
That was stated as fact, not opinion (read it again). So, it was begging for taking some wind out of your sails, I thought.
Anyway, of course you are allowed to speak your opinion on this board. I'm not a moderator, and didn't erase your post, just laughed at it.
Sorry for hurting your feelings. I went too far, maybe.
Anyway, read the books (uhhh......again). You'll find them interesting, I think.
peace
Sean
Okay, I was harsh. I'm sorry. I was indeed trying to be funny, but it had an edge. Mostly cause of this:
"fyi Sean I have read Atkins books, quite a few of them and even after the so called induction period, carbs are still strictly limited to like 20g per day."
That was stated as fact, not opinion (read it again). So, it was begging for taking some wind out of your sails, I thought.
Anyway, of course you are allowed to speak your opinion on this board. I'm not a moderator, and didn't erase your post, just laughed at it.
Sorry for hurting your feelings. I went too far, maybe.
Anyway, read the books (uhhh......again). You'll find them interesting, I think.
peace
Sean