Hey Romans and all...

Well, its noon and I've barely moved from computer today! Have been researching enzymes and trying to get my Rx's from canada straightened out...

To explain why I've pulled up an old postof shaynesmom... I tested positive for hypercoagulation and had been checking in to just what that meant and what my alternatives were to self-injected heparin shots. While doing this, was also reading up on WOBENZYM, even on ebay, which I'm ready to go for but apparently can't take along with lumbrokinase (will explain..)

So today like many others, I've been reading up on hypercoagulation but found more about it in terms of chronic illnesses and much more comparing treatment alternatives. So I went ahead and ordered the Boluoke brand of lumbrokinase , which is touted as the best. Crist actually sells it for WAY under any other distributor... and it takes a Rx to buy it from many sites, including it's manufacturer. I was set on buying lumbrokinase through an organic pharmic i've been doing business with and felt pretty good about product but when I found I could get the Boluoke at the lower price, I decided I'd start with it, even though it is still more than the regular lumbrokinase. AND... apparently it is contraindacative to take other enzymes with lumbrokinase. :nono: so, no to WOBENZYM for now...

So... it will be my next attempt at wellness. Well into neurotransmitter protocol. NEXT!

In researching all this, I found the following old post and couldn't help but share it with you Shanna because Crist proposes or closely proposes :D the three items mentioned below...

The three (and the relationships) are: 1)L-glutamine (glutathione) - second derived from first, share some similar attributes, 2)Boluoke, (Nattokinase) - both reduce fibrin in the blood, Crist discusses research on both and recommends use of either product; 3)transfer factor - Crist cites a SC doc that is having great success with a very expensive autologous transfer factor.

Anyway, something for you to tuck away and look for in his literature on a rainy day... :) Here is post from July that you may or may not remember reading... in my research on board, I find stuff that I've COMMENTED on that I have NO recollection of ever HEARING about!! eeks... need to get those buggars out of my brain...

Hi:

Here's some quick notes on Glutathione and Natto. I copied the glut. info from another online chat group. There's a guy over there (***** group) that's an expert on the big role glut. plays in recovering your health.


Glutathione:
Glutamate (or glutamic acid) is one of the amino acids that goes
into making glutathione. The other two are cysteine and glycine.

Many ppl w/chronic infections feel quite a bit better for a day or so
after getting IV glutathione. The half-life of IV glutathione in
human blood plasma is about 1.6 minutes. It is absorbed primarily
by the kidneys, which make use of it, and secondarily by the lungs,
which also have a major need for glutathione. Other organs absorb
lesser amounts. IV glutathione is not directly very beneficial to
the liver, because it is set up to put glutathione into the blood,
rather than to remove it from the blood. To help the liver's
glutathione status, it is necessary to supply the amino acids
orally, such as in nondenatured whey protein (RenewPro or ImmunoPro
Rx are the most potent sources), or N-acetylcysteine combined with
dietary protein.

Nattokinase is an enzyme that is supposed to improve bloodflow by reducing the thickness of blood. Another theory is that many ppl w/chronic infection have coagulation issues and do better when their blood is thinned out.

No time now to post the rest of my supplements.

Romans: I'm sure of the sixty you take each day you are probably covering all the bases.

Oh yeah, let me mention that the Transfer Factor and NADH seem to be helping out a lot too. They both help to build up the immune system.

Take Care

Hi Carol,
I pulled up your post because you brought up Glutathione.
Someone wrote to me about it in one of my post but I dont remember who it was and I am hoping that they see this and read it.
I was on IV Glutathione for about 7 months last year, this was before the diagnosis of lymes. It is a wonderful "Drug".
I called Dr Crist's office this week to ask them if they felt I could go on it because of the bad herxing I was experienceing with the Claforan IV and I know you need a Dr to order it for you.
They called me back and told me that they would reccomend that I go on it, but that I have to have my Family doctor prescribe it for me, that they won't do it. I explained that my GP doesn't do natural and they kinda just went "OH WELL" I was very frustrated because I want to be on this so badly on the days that I am not on the abx .
It is really good stuff and I really do reccommend it for every one.

Morning Brenda,

How did you get it the first time?? And specifically, how did it help you? I think, not sure, that sleeperwoken takes it in pill form...
i think you can good a good quality, pharmaceutical grade of it in pill form if you go online and do some research...
another suggestion if you could afford it would be to go to health food store to see if you could get referral for a naturopathic doc that could do the iv for you...

sorry you KNOW of something that works for you but have doc who is unwilling to work with you... do you stay with him/her due to insurance?

Hi Cj...sorry that I never even saw this post! Must have been during one of my bad herxes or something. Anyway just wanted to see if you ended up starting the lumbrokinase and if ya did how it was going for you, if you're seeing in changes? Also how is the new neuro protocol going? I haven't started the new verision yet, am still finishing out my supply of the old. But I sure hope there are lots of positives there for you as well. :)

Also I just wanted to put out there that I started Wobenzyme about 3 weeks ago and I am hoping that the good things I'm seeing are related in part to it. I don't know if you knew this but in the book "how to beat lymes using god designed living" the doc mentions that there have been studies showing that besides being a natural blood thinner and immune system booster, Wobenzyme has also been shown to increase the effectiveness of antibiotics reaching more tissues by 40%! I was flabbergasted by that percentage and it makes me even happier to down the 8 to 11 pills 3 x day knowing that I'm killing more little buggers that way! :)

Anyway just wanted to check in with your progess and say that I finally saw your post, if just a "little" too late! ;)

Shanna

Hello cj.

For about a year I had blood tests report that they couldn't count my platelets because of clumping.

My LLMD started me on Bromelain, 2000mg per day. I buy the brand "pure encapsutations" it at my health food store. My LLMD mentioned that sticky blood is common for Lymies.

Having sticky blood scared me because of risk of stokes and heart problems. yikes.

After a few months my platelets unstuck and can now be counted.

I also have messed up nuerotransmitter levels. I've been taking 5-HTP to straighten mine out. 5-HTP is a precursor for many nuerotransmitters.

Not feeling well today so I hope I made sense.

6blues,
sorry you're feeling yucky today...

thought i'd comment, we are are similar paths... i'm taking lumbrokinase as i tested positive for sticky blood... heparin shots were doc's first option but i'm trying this first...

and i just started a neurotransmitter protocol, now i guess about a month ago... combining tyrosine and tryptophan... doc originally used 5htp in his patients but results were 'too good'... apparently, they were seeing too high of levels of 5htp in patients.

tryptophan turns into 5htp IF needed, otherwise, to make muscles or whatever proteins it needs...

all 5htp turns into serotonin...

so they were seeing too high of serotonin levels with 5htp but with tryptophan, not the case...

tyrosine turns into neurotransmitter, dopamine.

and he adds msm as a substance containing sulpher is needed to make the neurotransmitters...

i'm now at 3 tyrosine/1tryptophan morning and noon and then 2 of each at dinner... can experiment with an evening dose or not, depending on how i feel... then will test neurotransmitter levels... one change is, i'm sleeping very good... :)

will have blood tested after on lumbrokinase as well... not sure on time frame, i forget.

do hope you feel better this afternoon... we are having beautiful fall weather here in dallas/fort worth area so it helps... i just went for walk. :wave:

Hi Carol,
I traveled to Georgia to a MD who practices "Alternative Medicine". I heard about him thru a friend and we were desperate to get some kind of help. The medical field had basically told us go home we can't help you "Sorry".
The dr in Georgia tried a IV of Glutathione on me and i was able to walk for a couple of hrs after the IV. This was the first time in months and months. It felt like a miracle! We wer there for 3 days and I got the IV every day with the same results. My husband and kids were so excited to see me walking and halfway normal. So he recommend finding a dr who would write up the RX for the Glutathione and the IV to be done at the hospital and to get this done 3-4x's a week. I wa sable to do this when we got home, but my veins kept collapsing so I had a PICC line inserted. That got infected they put in another one which got infected and then I had a PORT put in. The glutathione was helping me recover faster after my seizures, it was helping the paing to not be so severe during each episode. It also ehlped the walking. and it was a great detoxer. But my PORT got infected and I had to have that removed and then I was out of luck for geting my glutahtione. and I really miss it.
My family dr is great dr but I am scared to push him for theh glutahtione because he is doing the IV even though he isn't convinced it is lymes. I really trust him and like him alot and dont want to "rock the boat".
Also just so you know talking the glutathione in pill form in just not effective much at all. We did so much research on thsi subject and after I had to go off the IV I went ont he pill form but did not see even close to the same results. My MD from Georgia says you are throwing your money away buying the pill form. unless it is Reconstat L-Glutathione. You can fnd this in the book "Detoxify or Die" by Sherry Rogers this is a good book.

wow... you really did respond well to this in iv form...

i just researched the Reconstat L-Glutathione you mentioned and google shows zip on it... and that is without quotes... can you tell me more about the term, 'Reconstat'?

thanks,cj

hi carol
i spelled it wrong. i am not doing so well tonight with that.
it is Recancostat. the best place to get it from is a company called Needs.
The lady from the book i wrote about Sherry rogers recommends 400-800mg a day
she calls this the detoxifier cocktail:
Vitamin C powder (pure ascorbic acid powder) heaping tsp
300-600mg alpha lipioc acid
400-800mg recancostat gluatathione
haaave this with 1-2 glasse of water 1-2x's a day.
Personally this is disgusting I tried for several months and I now cannot tolerate any form of powder drink or I start dry heaving, but if you can do it more power to you because it is good for you
GOod Luck..

Hi friends, just catching up with you all. I have taken glutathione, as cj said, but not in the pill form. My doctor gave it to me in a liquid from Wellness Products. It says it is a lipoceutical glutathione, but sometimes I don't take it because it tastes a little yucky. I don't know if it works or not.

I have been taking the wobenzyme for over six weeks now, and I have to say, I really love that stuff. My core temp has come up considerably! When I read Dr. Jernigan's book, I decided to start doing some of the things in the chapter about raising your body temp because that was one of my main issues, and let's face it, you can't do everything in the book all at one time because he talks about so many new things it's hard to keep up with him. I do like his outlook and hope to follow every single part of his protocol eventually, but I started with the body temp stuff. Anyway, the wobenzymes really work. I am thrilled with my progress in that area.

Sometimes I think about taking myself off antibiotics and just going with all of Dr. Jernigans ideas, but I can't seem to make the switch. I guess I'm scared.

morning all...
brenda8, thanks for replying... i guess all ingredients you mentioned are in powder form... thanks for clarifying on spelling. right now, i've got all on my plate i can handle but will definitely check this out.

i too consider going with all natural approach eventually but have not given abx enough time yet. just starting flagyl this week... have a sense that i'd like to give oral abx a full shot, then switch to naturals, but we'll see... would try iv but can't afford it...

Sleeperwoken,
Can you tell me what Dr Jernigan's book is and what the protocol is for raising the core body temp.? My wife has MCS and her temperature is always low. She takes Synthroid, but her temp still stays low. I've been looking for a way to raise her temp. so this would be extremely helpful to me.
Thank you very much.
WW

i must say... i'm quite impressed with this RECANCOSTAT... it does come in pill form... i'm still reading up on it, but fascinating.

(going back and forth from google to this post...)

Just bumped into LipoCeutical Glutathione... both products are going for same results: absorption. where second product popped up was in a support group, said that some children (cancer) had trouble with yeast growth with RECANCOSTAT, so parent was using LipoCeutical Glutathione... heads up to those of us on abx, already at risk for yeast...

appararently, Glutathione, when taken oral is not absorbed... if you read up on both of these 'products', actually methods involved, you find how they've made Glutathione readily absorb-able to body... for cancer patients, autism, along with many other very ill folks, these seem to be having very impressive measuralbe results...

feel i'd be remiss not to share what this parent (and many others) had run across...
'While taking glutathione orally significantly helped Joshua, we also discovered that he needed B12, TMG and Folic Acid to allow the body to synthesize methionine. Methionine is necessary in the production of glutathione and reduction of oxidative stress. See the Jill James study for more information.'

i've got to stop! :wave: cj

CJ
I love it when you GOOGLE! Thank you for the info onthe oral GLUT. I am not very good on the net and I appreciate you your research. I will try to find it and look it up.
DOnt get me wrong though, I am not stopping abx and going natural, BEEN THERE < DONE THAT! I will attempt htem again when I am near the end of this road and feeling much better.