Hi all!

I have posted on several boards while trying to heal myself from some issues that have not been taken care of via traditional medicine.

I have been sick for several months and off work since May on medical leave which runs out in a few weeks. I have seen many Doctors and a few Chiropractors with limited results.

I had developed vertigo, sinus/ear pressure and drainage. I have also been having trouble with severe fatigue and weekness/ numbness in my legs and feet. My right side is worse than my left. Also low back pain which was not supported by Cts and MRIs. After months of testing, the bad things have been ruled out. I also get occasional twitching in my extremities. My shoulders are sore, worse upon waking. Oh, and as a result I have been having fun with anxiety/depression from all of this, but it has become more tolerable over the past few mos.

I am going through TMJ treatment and recently had a sleep study which told me what the Dentist has been thinking since the beginning. The sleep study suggested that my legs and shoulders, and probably my jaw are in discomfort as a result of a problem in my lower back. This is causing them to think I'm sleeping, but not well. It is not really "restless legs" but something in my L-spine causing this. The TMJ treatment is supposed to help with my sinuses, as they are all related.

I was told to load up on B complex, magnesium/calcium as well as fish oil. After reading some and looking at the boards it makes sense to me, but don't want to make a toxic cocktail of supplements LOL. And am looking for advice from those who have "been thre, done that" to see how you feel about these things.

The multi that my Chiro has given me to try has 2 tabs containing a total of:
350 mg calcium
175 mg magnesium
25 mg ea. of thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin and B12
2 mg of B6 along with a probiotic and digestive enzyme

With one fish oil gel 1000 mg
All made by Good Living Labs.

He told me to add a supplement of 500 mg calcium 250 phosphorus and 250 mg magnesium.

I hate to bother everyone with this, but am running out of options and this is starting to make sense. The calcium/magnesium is supposed to make the back/ legs better? And the fish oil and B's are supposed to help me with my mood? I'm not sure if this mixture will help or hurt my sleep. Of if this is the right path.

I have never been a big supplement guy, and have taken Flinstone's as my vitamin. :) I have just started seeing this Chiropractor, and have not built the trust factor.

The folks on these boards have been lifesavers and am hoping to get some good advice here as well.

Thanks in advance!!

Jack

I wouldn't go to a regular chiropracter. Find one that also does kiniesology. I go to a chiropracter that does adjustments but he mostly does kiniesology.
I had a BAD year with all sorts of problems. Mostly stomach related. Knock-on-wood, I'm feeling pretty darn good right now.
I was taking quite a few supplements through my "healing" year. But he tested me thru the kiniesology technique to see what my body actually needed and i personally think that's the key.
You can take stuff but if your body doesn't need them, then its a waste.
My Dr. (Dr. Morgan) uses Dr. Brimhall's techniques. Dr. Brimhall lives in Arizona and I know he has many, many Dr.'s around the country using his stuff.
My last problem was a sharp pain on the left side of my temple, kind of behind my eye. It was kind of scary because I had never had anything like that before. I went into the eye Dr. and he said that I had more pressure in that eye but didn't say much about it.
I went to Dr. Morgan and he found thru kiniesology that it was an eye infection. He did some adjustments to the cranials and gave me a supplement for the eyes. It's gone now and my eye feels normal once again.
Try doing a search for Dr. Brimhall in Arizona and see if you can't find someone in your area that is similar. OR, I can help you by asking Dr. Morgan for some references for you in your area.
Darby

Darby,
I am thinking of going back to a chiroprator in my home town that also practices kiniesology for my allergies. I am allergic to my dogs and I WILL not get rid of them. I have developed asthma over the years also. I know that insurance will not pay for any of the treatments, but my husband is still willing to let me try it if I can talk to people who have been helped by kiniesology. What about allergies, do you th ink it will help?
Cindy

All those supplements sound fine. You are well within the RDA with those vitamins, and even if you continue to take your Flintstones vitamin, you will still be well below the safe upper limit. Just space them apart, so they absorb and don't just get excreted out of the body.

Have you been evaluated for allergies and/or sinusitis?

Darby,
I am thinking of going back to a chiroprator in my home town that also practices kiniesology for my allergies. I am allergic to my dogs and I WILL not get rid of them. I have developed asthma over the years also. I know that insurance will not pay for any of the treatments, but my husband is still willing to let me try it if I can talk to people who have been helped by kiniesology. What about allergies, do you th ink it will help?
Cindy

Are you sure your insurance won't cover it? My wellness Dr. just bills the insurance company as a chiropractic adjustment. We have Altius as an insurance and last year we had blue cross and they pay for everything except supplements.
I just went thru a 60 day wellness program (a Brimhall technique) and Dr. Morgan desensitized me against just about everything. I couldn't even begin to explain the desensitization technique by typing it. But it doesn't take much and all I had to do on my part is stay away from the source that he was working on such as animal hair or wheat for 25 hours. And it's supposed to last a life time.
So, depending on what technique they are using, it should cover all allergies.

There are a couple more things you may want to consider. 1. Get a hair analysis to determine if you are toxic from Heavy Metals. Chiropractors can order this test. 2. Get a complete bloodwork - I'd recommend a Physican that can take the results of the hair test and compare to the bloodwork. Just because your bloodwork may be within range is not a endorsement of "good health". Ranges are just that, an intuitive experienced physician will "read" the results and help you with your supplementation.

Start taking Sodium Ascorbate (I like Bronson's). Mix it with a half gallon of water each moring (Not tap water unless it is chlorine and flouride free). Then nurse that all day long. I take about 6 grams a day, but I have taken as much as 15 to 20 a day. Vitamin C is water soluable so you need to "dose" about every 4 hours or you just pee it out. You store around 5grams in your body. I have read studies where people have taken 10 grams a day for two years with no problems. The only thing to worry about is if you already have a kidney condition. And as long as you are drinking water you'll be fine. You should supplement a "multi" as well. Vitamin C will play with copper levels over time. Don't drink Soda Pop as it has a low PH and will "pull" minerals from your body.

All fish oils are not alike. I do not know if yours is good or bad, but I prefer Carlsons as it is liquid and doesn't leave a nasty fishy burpy taste.

Many conditions/ailments are improved by including anti-inflammtory foods in your diet and eliminating inflammatory foods.

Look into dietary supplements from Garden of Life and New Chapter (I prefer the New Chapter) as they are made from cultered whole foods. New Chapter's Tumeric Force and Zyflamend are excellent for inflammation.

Most people do not realize that inflammation can occur at a cellular level so they don't realize they have it. Dr. NV Perriocone's books are an excellent source of information on a solid anti-inflammatory diet.

As far as the sinuses go - I don't know what to tell you, I suffer from chronic sinusitis, and have been to the ENT as have family members. And I just do not believe that physicians have a good handle on this disease. While it may be the result of bacteria (a claimed 2/3rds is) it can also be Viral and Fungal. There is a Study at John Hopkins that suggests it is the result of an autoimmune response to fungus. When they get this all sorted out the world will be a better place. I am not a fan of steroids and antihistimines. I do use a Nasal Irrigator (WaterPik Brand), but you can also use Dr. Grossmans. I read one physican who is a big advocate of Vitamin C and he took 9 grams per day for his sinuses and said after a year at 6 grams upping to 9 grams was the trick. Vitamin C is a diuretic of sorts and the only real danger of high dosage short term use is if you take too much at once you may get a short bout of diarrhea - this is a good thing and will last only a short time. This lets you know how much to take. You simply cut back to 90% of the amount that gave you the loose stools.

Also New Chapter has an excellent booklet they will send you.

And finally while you are at it - try a good probiotic like Bio-K or eat organic yogurt and organic cottage cheese w/flax oil. Both have probiotic bacteria cultures. No use in taking lots of vitamins if your stomach can not absorb them. Flax oil is a nice complent to the fish oil and contains omega 3 fatty acids.

Eventually you may find a doctor to figure out what is wrong, but in this day and age of managed health care and 15 minute visits it's a daunting task.

You are so right about the doctor's visits these days. They rush you in and out making sure you have the latest "sample" of the newest drug out there. Wouldn't it be nice if a doctor could just sit down with you and ask you questions like, "What is your diet like?" I have considered going to an ENT (which is the ONLY doctor I HAVEN't been to). But he would probably just suggest another nasal steroid.

You are so right about the doctor's visits these days. They rush you in and out making sure you have the latest "sample" of the newest drug out there. Wouldn't it be nice if a doctor could just sit down with you and ask you questions like, "What is your diet like?" I have considered going to an ENT (which is the ONLY doctor I HAVEN't been to). But he would probably just suggest another nasal steroid.

When you go to your Dr. - take a written list of the things you want to talk with him/her about.

Every Dr. that I've seen has been impressed enough by my doing this that they sat down with me and went over each and every item on my list with all the time I needed to be convinced that my questions were being answered completely. The Dr.'s won't ask you about the finer points of your life because they have been trained that this is YOUR JOB. But they are more than willing to sit with you for 45 minutes or more if you are the one that is bringing the issues to them in a controlled and organized fashion.

Try it, you might be pleasantly surprised by your Dr.
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DomNakita

I think the supplements sound great. I take all of those and more.
If I had to change what you're doing, I'd take them in a capsule form instead of a hard tablet. It costs more to make capsules; they're better absorbed and don't hit your stomach like a stone. They're more gentle.
I have found a Miracle for sleeping in the fish oil gelcaps. It took a couple of months but I sleep at Least seven hours without waking up every night now.
I take 2,000 mg of those. I also take coral calcium plus. Why? Because
this guy Mike Adams, The Health Ranger, takes it. And I've added six
Spirulina Pacifica pills daily to all of that!
I wish I could say I've noticed more stuff but really, the only thing is the great sleep I'm getting taking the fish oils :bouncing: Fish oil is the one and only vitamin I've gotten my husband to take. And he's sleeping better. I've just ordered him Andrew Lessman's Prostacare to see what that'll do.
I have just ordered a big bottle of Vitamin B Complex; that'll probably make me hungry :rolleyes: And more of the alpha lipoic acid.
People often say, "why take vitamins? They just make expensive urine" but then they'll tell you to eat certain veggies because of the vitamins :rolleyes:
Not only that: AIDS patients are told to take a lot of vitamins. I believe there is a stigma against doctors mentioning vitamins.

Thanks all for the great responses.

I have been tested for and began treatments for allergies using the NAET/Bioset program, which is using applied kinesiology and holding vials of the allergen. It has worked wonders for people I know, but my insurance max was reached for the treatments and couldn't afford to continue them right now. I had a 24 hour urine test for heavy matals and that was fine.

The suppliment advice was great and I have been trying to get the right combo going. I was sleeping like a baby, but was having alot of flushing, which I suspect was from the niacin so I'm looking into an alternative. I have made the switch to capsules for most of them.

One question I have is can B-comp;ex make you hyper? It may be my overactive imagination, but I thought I noticed a bit of the old anxiety rearing it's ugly head, but it may not be related. I am not sleeping very well at all again and am going to load up on the fish oil to see if that helps.

Keep pushing and try to figure this puzzle out soon is my plan!!!

Thanks again! I'm sure I'll be asking more. Sorry for the slow response, but getting computer time in my house can be crazy. LOL I'll be better at responding, as you folks have been great with your advice.

Jack

I want to begin NAET in the near future also. I have heard about it and consulted a doctor here in my city. The cost is a litle high, but I am willing to save for it if I have to. I just wish I could hear some other testimonials on it. My husband is for it also, but would like a little more info. I have allergies and asthma and they are both chronic at this point. I take Allegra on an as need basis and Advair daily. Other than that it is all natural. I use vitamin C, echinacea, NAC, Cordyseps SInesis, calcium, magnesium, and a really good multivitamin. My daughter works at a Jamba Juice and I am always going in there to get a shot of wheat grass. I got a flu shot yesterday and feel a little run down this morning, but I also have the beginnings of a tooth ache, so that doesn't help! Would love any more info on the NAET program. Thanks. Cindy

I want to begin NAET in the near future also. I have heard about it and consulted a doctor here in my city. The cost is a litle high, but I am willing to save for it if I have to. I just wish I could hear some other testimonials on it. My husband is for it also, but would like a little more info. I have allergies and asthma and they are both chronic at this point. I take Allegra on an as need basis and Advair daily. Other than that it is all natural. I use vitamin C, echinacea, NAC, Cordyseps SInesis, calcium, magnesium, and a really good multivitamin. My daughter works at a Jamba Juice and I am always going in there to get a shot of wheat grass. I got a flu shot yesterday and feel a little run down this morning, but I also have the beginnings of a tooth ache, so that doesn't help! Would love any more info on the NAET program. Thanks. Cindy


HI Cindy.

As far as the NAET treatments I did not finish them so I cannot say that I benefited from them. I can however tell you what I know.

My boss's wife told me about this program and to say the least I was not quick to jump on the idea. She had severe allergies. She could not drink wine, eat chocolate or work in her garden. The Drs gave her a bag of medicine and told her that was her fate forever. She did some research and went to a seminar that talked about this program. Since completing the program she eats chocolate when she wants, goes to wine tastings and enjoys outdoor activities without ever needing any medication and is sold on this program.

I have another friend who I refered to the clinic who had been breaking out painfully all over. Her face was killing her and she cried often. She was on many medications and steroids for months with no relief. She is 2/3 of the way through the program and has all but been cured. She rarely breaks out, and if she does it is not severe and her face is back to normal.

I asked people in the waiting room what they thought and they were sold and told me many stories, and some were there with small children who had the same results. I say this because that rules out mind over matter.

I wish I could tell you that I had the same success, but financially I could not continue with the program, as I had other issues that I needed to save for to be able to get my TMJ treated. I hope this helps in your research, and again this is information that I have about others and truest them, but cannot tell you first hand that it helped me.

Dr Cutler has some great books on the subject, but don't expect the immediate results that seem to jump out at you. The program takes some time depending on your sensitivities. The books are: "Winning the War against Immune Disorders & Allergies" and "The Food Allergy Cure" By Ellen Cutler.

I hope this helps you,

Jack

Thanks for your reply. I have many allergies especially to dogs. I am not willing to give up my dogs nor do I want to be on tons of medications for the rest of my life. I KNOW there has to be a better way!I am just kind of stubborn in my view of this. So, thank you so much for telling me what you do know. I plan to pursue this!
Cindy

Thanks all for the great responses.

I have been tested for and began treatments for allergies using the NAET/Bioset program, which is using applied kinesiology and holding vials of the allergen. It has worked wonders for people I know, but my insurance max was reached for the treatments and couldn't afford to continue them right now. I had a 24 hour urine test for heavy matals and that was fine.

I am not sleeping very well at all again and am going to load up on the fish oil to see if that helps

Jack

Aren't those allergy treatments great. The ones I got are the same concept only they are called sert-treatments. Or something like that. The only one I have left is for heavy metals.
I went into my wellness Dr. yesterday for this headache I've been getting everyday and he tested me for heavy metals. I came up positive for mercury. So, he has me on a homepathic drop (mercury) along with omega 3 oil caps. He said that heavy metals like to set up camp in fatty cells. Thru kinesiology testing, he sees what oil your body needs because it needs the oil with the drops to flush out.
I'm headache free today (fingers crossed). First trip in, my cranials were out of wack. Headache came back when I was at work so I stopped in on my way home and he found that my TMJ was showing up. He fixed that and so far so good.

There was this lady who goes to my same Dr. and she got sick after eating eggs. So, he did the sert treatment on her (allergy treatment). She got sick once again a couple days after the treatment. She went back in. She did this a few times when the Dr. finally asked her, "what are you eating in the 24 hours after leaving?" She wrote everything down and one of the things was cookies. Well, there's eggs in cookies.
He told her to NOT eat any eggs at all for 25 hours. If that meant just eating fruits and veggies for 25 hours.
She did that and to this day she is fine with eggs.