An ultra sound this morning revealed I have one large gallstone and numerous small ones. Doing some researching on the internet for alternatives to surgery, I came across a site describing a Gallbladder Flush using olive oil and lemon juice. I'm curious to know if anyone else has ever used this and how did it work?

I have used a similar one with epsom salt, olive oil and grapefruit juice by H. R. Clark. The first 3-4 times I got plenty (approx. 50) small stones out. Then I started to get bigger ones out, about the size of grapes.

I didn't get any large calcified ones out and wasn't diagnosed with any prior to doing the flush. If you have pain, you could just take the epsom, which should give you some pain relief. This will only be temporary but shuld demonstrate the epsoms ability to relax the bile ducts.

Thankyou for replying so soon! Much appreciated!

You are welcome. Let me know if you need further info. on this, or if you decide to try it, let us know how it goes.

The only problem with all this is that the ultrasound doesn't tell you how diseased, inflamed or damaged the gallbladder is. And no amount of flushing can reverse the damage already done. If it is still painful after the flush, I urge to have it removed.
It can rupture...as it did for a friend of mine this week.

I'm no expert on this and have never heard of a ruptured gallbladder before, but I would urge against heaving it removed except as a last resort. I don't know how it is in the US, but in Denmark where I live the traditional medicine don’t use olive oil flushes, but they do have others means to try to break up the stones, and only use surgery as a last resort.

It's not without risk of adverse effects, that you will have to live with for the rest of your life if you have it removed. I would certainly do a study on what the risks are for a rapture compared to the risks of having it removed before I would consider surgery.

I have done the flush twice now, but I started doing it in a desperate attempt to help my allergies. So I don't know if it will help you with your gallstones. But it is fairly easy to do, and worth a try IMO. You can always get surgery later, if it doesn't work.

Be very careful. A gallbladder "flush" can cause stones to get stuck in your liver, which can make you ill (as it did me) or cause liver damage. I thought I had a bad flu, when in fact my liver was barely functioning. Also the other poster is correct. The ultrasound cannot tell you how diseased your gallbladder is. My uncle just has his taken out after much delay on his part and gangrene had set into the area. Believe me, his recovery now is far worse than it would have been for a lap. surgery.

A company called American Botanical Pharmacy also has a very good gallbladder flush. You may want to check around for what's available from health food stores or on-line.

I've done the flush with olive oil/grapefruit juice twice with great success. I passed over 200 stones each time, large and small without problems. But, I know others who have had problems later because their gall bladders were diseased. I think people should know before hand that having your gallbladder out doesn't solve all the problems.

Is that all your taking grapefruit juice and olive oil?.. cause I tried that and I'm getting NOTHING here....I mean nothing....what the **** am I doing wrong?? Any hard case, emergency types here? :)

You need to take Epsom salt also. It relaxes the bile ducs so the stones can get out. I don't know what else you are doing but you have to follow the no fat diet quite strictly for good results.

I'm not a hard case, emergency type but if you like I can post the one I follow.

Oh yes, please ...feel free to type in any info as I am very new to this flushing business....makes sense and I do believe in it. One "receipe" I saw said to use black walnut tincture and I'm thinking where the heck do you get black walnut tincture? and it says to ozonate the olive oil?and add drops of HCL?....
....it's more for my boy as he's got the probs but I usually experiment on myself first so I know what he's going through. :)

The one with Black Walnut is the one I use. The Black Walnut is added to kill off any parasites released by the flush, and the HCI is to sterilize the mixture.

H. Clark who wrote this recipe believes that illness is caused by parasites (including bacteria and viruses) and pollutants. According to Clark you should do a parasite cleanse prior to the live flush as she claims you can’t clean a liver with parasites. I do the parasite program prior to the flush and haven’t tried doing the flush without the parasite program so can’t really say if it makes a difference.

But the Black Walnut and HCI won’t as such make a difference in how many stones you get out. When I did my first flushes I did an earlier version without Black Walnut and would the following day feel slightly ill. After some flushes I stopped felling ill. When her newer book came out with the addition of Black Walnut I added this to the recipe but don’t fell any difference. Maybe I would have under the first flushes?

As a side note the Black Walnut is part of her parasite program and I do think it is potent stuff.

The brand I use for Black Walnut is Self Health Resource Center.

Here is the version without Black Walnut:

Preparation
You can't clean a liver with living parasites in it. You won't get out many stones, and will feel quite sick. Zap (zap is the use of a electrical device Clark has made to kill parasites) daily the week before, or get through the first three weeks of the parasite killing program before attempting a liver cleanse. If you are on a parasite maintenance program, you are always ready to do the cleanse.

Completing the kidney cleanse before cleansing the liver is also recommended. You want your kidneys, bladder and urinary tract in top working condition so they can efficiently remove any undesirable substances incidentally absorbed from the intestine as the bile is being excreted.

Do any dental work first, if possible. Your mouth should be metal free and bacteria free (cavitations are cleaned). A toxic mouth can put a heavy load on the liver, burdening it immediately after cleansing. Eliminate that problem first for best results.


Ingredients

1/2 Cup Olive Oil Extra Virgin
1 Big red grapefruit or 2 small (2/3 to 3/4 cup)
4 tablespoon Epsom salts
Ornithine

Choose a day like Saturday for the cleanse, since you will be able to rest the next day.

Take no medicines, vitamins or pills that you can do without; they could prevent success. Stop the parasite program and kidney herbs too, the day before.

Eat a no-fat breakfast and lunch such as cooked cereal with fruit, fruit juice, bread and preserves or honey (no butter or milk), baked potato or other vegetables with salt only. This allows the bile to build up and develop pressure in the liver. Higher pressure pushes out more stones.

2:00 PM. Do not eat or drink after 2 o'clock. If you break this rule you could feel quite ill later. Get your Epsom salts ready. Mix 4 tbs. in 3 cups water and pour this into a jar. This makes four servings, 3/4 (three fourths) cup each. Set the jar in the refrigerator to get ice cold (this is for convenience and taste only).

6:00 PM. Drink one serving 3/4 (three fourths cup) of the ice cold Epsom salts. If you did not prepare this ahead of time, mix 1 tbs. in 3/4 (three fourth) cup water now. You may add 1/8 (one eight) tsp. vitamin C powder to improve the taste. You may also drink a few mouthfuls of water afterwards or rinse your mouth. Get the olive oil and grapefruit out to warm up.

8:00 PM. Repeat by drinking another 3/4 (three fourths) cup of Epsom salts. You haven't eaten since two o'clock, but you won't feel hungry. Get your bedtime chores done. The timing is critical for success.

9:45 PM. Pour 1/2 (half) cup (measured) olive oil into the pint jar. Squeeze by hand into the measuring cup. Remove pulp with fork. You should have at least 1/2 cup, more (up to 3/4 cup) is best. You may top it up with lemonade. Add this to the olive oil. Close the jar tightly with the lid and shake hard until watery (only fresh grapefruit juice does this).

Now visit the bathroom one or more time, even if it makes you late for your ten o'clock drink. Don't be more than 15 minutes late. You will get fewer stones.

10:00 PM. Drink the potion you have mixed. Take 4 ornithine capsules with the first sips to make sure you will sleep through the night. Take 8 if you already suffer from insomnia. Drinking through a large plastic straw helps it go down easier. You may use ketchup, cinnamon, or straight honey to chase it down between sips. Take it to your bedside if you want, but drink it standing up. Get it down within 5 minutes (fifteen minutes for very elderly or weak persons).

Lie down immediately. You might fail to get stones out if you don't. The sooner you lie down the more stones you will get out. Be ready for bed ahead of time. Don't clean up the kitchen. As soon as the drink is down walk to your bed and lie down flat on your back with your head up high on the pillow. Try to think about what is happening in the liver. Try to keep perfectly still for at least 20 minutes. You may feel a train of stones traveling along the bile ducts like marbles. There is no pain because the bile duct valves are open (thank you Epsom salts!). Go to sleep, you may fail to get stones out if you don't.

Next morning. Upon awakening take your third dose of Epsom salts. If you have indigestion or nausea wait until it is gone before drinking the Epsom salts. You may go back to bed. Don't take this potion before 6:00 am.

2 Hours Later. Take your fourth (the last) dose of Epsom salts. You may go back to bed again.

After 2 More Hours you may eat. Start with fruit juice. Half an hour later eat fruit. One hour later you may eat regular food but keep it light. By supper you should feel recovered.

How well did you do?

Expect diarrhea in the morning. Use a flashlight to look for gallstones in the toilet with the bowel movement. Look for the green kind since this is proof that they are genuine gallstones, not food residue. Only bile from the liver is pea green. The bowel movement sinks but gallstones float because of the cholesterol inside. Count them all roughly, whether tan or green. You will need to total 2,000 stones before the liver is clean enough to rid you of allergies or bursitis or upper back pains permanently. The first cleanse may rid you of them for a few days, but as the stones from the rear travel forward, they give you the same symptoms again. You may repeat cleanses at two week intervals. Never cleanse when you are ill.

Sometimes, the bile ducts are full of cholesterol crystals that did not form into round stones. They appear as a "chaff" floating on top of the toilet bowl water. It may be tan colored, harboring millions of tiny white crystals. Cleansing this chaff is just as important as purging the stones.

How safe is the liver cleanse? It is very safe. My opinion is based on over 500 cases, including many persons in their seventies and eighties. None went to the hospital; none even reported pain. However it can make you feel quite ill for one or two days afterwards, although in every one of these cases the maintenance parasite program had been neglected. This is why the instructions direct you to complete the parasite and kidney rinse program first.

This procedure contradicts many modern medical viewpoints. Gallstones are thought to be formed in the gallbladder, not the liver. They are though to be few, not thousands. They are not linked to pains other than gallbladder attacks. It is easy to understand why this thought: by the time you have acute pain attacks, some stones are in the gallbladder, are big enough and sufficiently calcified to see on X-ray, and have caused inflammation there. When the gallbladder is removed the acute attacks are gone, but the bursitis and other pains and digestive problems remain.

Permission is hereby granted to make copies of any part of this document for non-commercial purposes provided the original copyright notice with the author's name is included.
"The Cure for all Diseases": Copyright 1995 by Hulda Regehr Clark, Ph.D., N.D.
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Thanks greensky your the best! If it's not totally necessary I'll just go for the oil/grapefruit/epsom salt mixture.....saw the "site"...that's pretty wicked stuff!...how many you get out and how do you feel afterwards?what positive changes have you seen in yourself? I assume you can get the HCL acid at the drugstore also....again thanks so much. :)

You don’t need the HC1. This is used to sterilize the mixture. The flush version with this is taken from a book on treatment of cancer. Here Clark suggests you sterilize all your food. If you aren’t following this regimen I can’t really see the purpose of using HC1 here. If you want to use it anyway it has to be 5% and for consumption. I get it online, same brand as the Black Walnut, but otherwise I would also think at the drugstore.

The first 3-4 times I got a lot of small stones out, I would say approx. 50. Then I started to get bigger ones out, about the size of grapes maybe 5 bigger stones per flush. After another 3-4 times I again got large numbers of small ones out, and then less and less with each flush.

I have chronic back pain, and did the flush as one of many things to improve my health and hopefully thereby also my back. When I do the flush my back muscle relax and I feel less pain, but this is temporary and only lasts for a couple of days at best.

I haven’t noticed any health benefits apart from that, but I’m still pleased that I have done it. I do it once a year as maintenance and it’s a nice feeling getting the stones out. I do believe it will help me from getting problems later on. Of the many things I have tried it certainly gives tangible results.

I've just skimmed over the responses but, what type of symptoms are you having if any?
I had a sluggish working gall bladder almost a year ago. I was very sick. Nausea, abnormal bowel habits, but I had no pain.
I see a holistic Dr. and he put me on AF BetaFood supplement. You might want to do an internet search on it and read about it. It's for the gall bladder.
You have to take it about 15 minutes before you eat anything.
I had to be on it for about 5 months and I had to stay away from fatty foods. I feel fine now. All my symptoms went away.
My husband's neice just had her gall bladder taken out. It was NOT an emergency. She bascially had the exact same symptoms as me but I couldn't get her to go to my holistic Dr. She doesn't believe in it.
So, she stayed with her Dr. They told her that her gall bladder was not working at all but they didn't even to that test that shows how it's squeezing.
So, he removed it and she's in hell. She had some complications during surgery.
I hope she feels better after she's all healed but I have a feeling she's not going to be very happy.
I agree with one of the other posters - if it's NOT an emergency, try other things first.
Use surgery as a last resort. Some people get along without their gall bladder in time but alot of them don't. And then they deal with chronic diarrhea and can't eat spicy or fried food ever again.
Check into a good holistic Dr. -- a chiropracter who also does kinesiology and talk to him about Af BetaFood. Thru kinesiology, they can check the body and the gall bladder.
The best to you.

I have done the flush over the past year and a half. I was diagnosed with a gallbladder full of stones and told I needed surgery right away. I opted for the flushes, doing one every two weeks for 12 weeks, and then every quarter after that. It is not for the faint hearted, but it worked for me. I would recommend using grapefruit juice with the epsom salts instead of water. It tasted much better. And use the lightest olive oil that you can find. The taste is not so strong. Did the flush by Hulda Clarke, but made the changes listed above. I have also learned what foods are real triggers for me such as creamy sauces like alfredo and cheeses like cheddar. Trial and error. Good luck to you. Anymore questions, let me know.

As to the flush listed above, I have done it probably 15 times the past year and a half. Use grapefruit juice with the epsom salts, (you will need a total of about 6 large grapefruits), it tastes much better. And use the lightest olive oil you can find, the taste is not so strong. It is a long night, but well worth it. You will be exhausted after you are done and look like hell, but it has literally changed my life. I thought I would have to have surgery or live with that horrendous pain, but my life has improved greatly.

As a chem major in college I learned how to make soap. Fatty acids and alkaline substances = saponification = soap. That's why I found it interesting that internet sites were advertising gallbladder 'flushes' by mixing soap-making ingredients in the bowels. So, I did some research:
-all the gallbladder flushes include a source of fat (oils, mainly) and juices (lemon, grapefruit, etc) and variable other substances
-experiments have been done to compare the 'flushed' stones to surgically-removed stones in the same people; the flushed stones had no cholesterol or calcium in them. That's strange, real gallstones are packed with cholesterol!
-Some people put up pictures of their 'flushed' stones measuring up to 5cm! The outlet from the gallbladder to the small intestine is, at best, 1 cm. And it only gets SMALLER with contractions. This would be like passing a kidney stone or giving birth. Why aren't these people doubled over in pain during these 'flushes?'

Just food for thought: are you really painlessly flushing big stones through a tiny opening or are you just turning your gut into a soap machine?

And whoever said that ultrasounds don't show how diseased a gallbladder is didn't know what they were talking about. Ultrasounds can show inflammation, perforation, dilatation, fluid collection, etc.

How long till my post is removed by moderator and i'm kicked off the list, i wonder?

Why should you be kicked off? Isn't this an open forum to express our opinions and ideas? I don't disagree with what you have said; I have no knowledge in that area. All I can say is that before I was in great pain probably once a week, and in over a year and a half since I have been doing the flushes, I have had no pain, no episodes. I did what I felt was best for me; some people choose surgery. It is a personal choice; that is what makes this country so great. Thank you for sharing your information.

There is a more pleasant alternative to these bitter drinks.

A herb called Chanca Piedra (Breakstone). It grows along the rainforest shores and is used by natives to break up and expel gall, kidney, or urinary stones. A lot of research has been done on it and it works painlessly. In some studies a few people noted cramps just before going to the bathroom, but other than those few, no side effects. They are sold in capsules. I saw a bottle in the health store last week for about $12 (U.S.) Reportedly in the research websites it works in about 2 weeks.