jimmyholster
11-03-2005, 08:06 AM
when it comes to losing weight from around your body, where (if your a male) does it normally lose it from first?, then where from after that etc?
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digmusic
11-03-2005, 09:39 AM
when you first start to lose weight you will notice it in your stomach region...after that someone else will have to take over cause I don't know
Peepers
11-03-2005, 10:12 AM
I think it just depends on your body, and everyone is different. I also tend to notice it in my stomach first, then my butt. Thank goodness, because those are the 2 places where I need to lose the most! ;)
jimmyholster
11-03-2005, 10:49 AM
I've heard Naxi is a pretty on the ball member....could you give us some input?
thanx
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DonutsNCoffee
11-03-2005, 11:56 AM
when it comes to losing weight from around your body, where (if your a male) does it normally lose it from first?, then where from after that etc?
You will lose from all over, but because your midsection is where you gain weight first, it's the area that takes longer to slim down. I'm sure you want to slim down certain areas more than others, but keep in mind that you can't control where the weight comes off.
You will lose from all over, but because your midsection is where you gain weight first, it's the area that takes longer to slim down. I'm sure you want to slim down certain areas more than others, but keep in mind that you can't control where the weight comes off.
macro
11-08-2005, 02:39 AM
depends on a number of factors, mostly related to hormone levels and genetics.
If for instance you have above normal oestrogen levels, you will typically have pockets of stubborn fat in thighs, hips, triceps that will not be well utilized due to high alpha 2 adrenoceptor concentrations. A topical yohimbine product like, Yohimburn, or even oral yohimbine (less effective because low doses must be used) will increase fatty acid utilization from these areas. Women typically have alpha 2 issues, which become more prevalent as adiposity (fat level) increases (fat is one of the sources of aromatase= which makes more of your hormones into oestrogen)
If you have fat due to insulin or carb issues(this is often a combination of genetic and dietary issues)--- (typically a fairly even fat distribution, often with sub q water retention issues)- you can restrict carbs, you can eat only high fiber and very complex carbs, you can also use supplements like R+ lipoic and Green tea (which improve glucose clearance and insulin sensitivity)- fat in this case tends to come off relatively evenly.
a reccomendation for anyone- dont eat anything with hydrogenated oils (these severely blunt insulin sensitivity)--- also avoid like the plague anything with high fructose corn syrup.--
fructose is good for you in SMALL amounts, large amounts of fructose are used to induce diabetes in animals (for experiments on diabetes)
If for instance you have above normal oestrogen levels, you will typically have pockets of stubborn fat in thighs, hips, triceps that will not be well utilized due to high alpha 2 adrenoceptor concentrations. A topical yohimbine product like, Yohimburn, or even oral yohimbine (less effective because low doses must be used) will increase fatty acid utilization from these areas. Women typically have alpha 2 issues, which become more prevalent as adiposity (fat level) increases (fat is one of the sources of aromatase= which makes more of your hormones into oestrogen)
If you have fat due to insulin or carb issues(this is often a combination of genetic and dietary issues)--- (typically a fairly even fat distribution, often with sub q water retention issues)- you can restrict carbs, you can eat only high fiber and very complex carbs, you can also use supplements like R+ lipoic and Green tea (which improve glucose clearance and insulin sensitivity)- fat in this case tends to come off relatively evenly.
a reccomendation for anyone- dont eat anything with hydrogenated oils (these severely blunt insulin sensitivity)--- also avoid like the plague anything with high fructose corn syrup.--
fructose is good for you in SMALL amounts, large amounts of fructose are used to induce diabetes in animals (for experiments on diabetes)
DonutsNCoffee
11-08-2005, 10:54 AM
dont eat anything with hydrogenated oils (these severely blunt insulin sensitivity)--- also avoid like the plague anything with high fructose corn syrup.--
fructose is good for you in SMALL amounts, large amounts of fructose are used to induce diabetes in animals (for experiments on diabetes)
It's really difficult to avoid hydrogenated oils and HFCS since both are in so many foods these days. I even found HFCS listed in most of the whole wheat breads I looked at. But certainly minimizing your intake of those will help. I was just curious if you knew how the body processes HFCS compared to fructose in fruit. Now that people are more aware of the dangers of HFCS, I think it's made certain people afraid to eat fruit cause they see that it has fructose and immediately think it's bad. I try to eat a good variety of fruits and I can't imagine it being unhealthy.
fructose is good for you in SMALL amounts, large amounts of fructose are used to induce diabetes in animals (for experiments on diabetes)
It's really difficult to avoid hydrogenated oils and HFCS since both are in so many foods these days. I even found HFCS listed in most of the whole wheat breads I looked at. But certainly minimizing your intake of those will help. I was just curious if you knew how the body processes HFCS compared to fructose in fruit. Now that people are more aware of the dangers of HFCS, I think it's made certain people afraid to eat fruit cause they see that it has fructose and immediately think it's bad. I try to eat a good variety of fruits and I can't imagine it being unhealthy.
Moxie75
11-08-2005, 11:05 AM
I've heard Naxi is a pretty on the ball member....could you give us some input?
thanx
I could be wrong but I have never seen Naxis post on this board. He/She posts mainly on the Excercise/fitness board but DonutsNcoffee has some good insight as well..Lisa
thanx
I could be wrong but I have never seen Naxis post on this board. He/She posts mainly on the Excercise/fitness board but DonutsNcoffee has some good insight as well..Lisa
macro
11-13-2005, 12:09 AM
It's really difficult to avoid hydrogenated oils and HFCS since both are in so many foods these days. I even found HFCS listed in most of the whole wheat breads I looked at. But certainly minimizing your intake of those will help. I was just curious if you knew how the body processes HFCS compared to fructose in fruit. Now that people are more aware of the dangers of HFCS, I think it's made certain people afraid to eat fruit cause they see that it has fructose and immediately think it's bad. I try to eat a good variety of fruits and I can't imagine it being unhealthy.
fructose is fine in small to moderate amounts, but if other carb intake is high then the same issues occur.
so if you eat a lot of carbs, even with most of them being complex, and then eat fruit (and your liver glycogen stores are full) you create a similar metabolic environment as HFCS creates.
now fruits also have a number of phytochemicals and phytonutrients that offset this (which HFCS does not). Still lots of fruit is not necessarily healthy, especially with any type of carbohydrate overfeeding.
fructose is fine in small to moderate amounts, but if other carb intake is high then the same issues occur.
so if you eat a lot of carbs, even with most of them being complex, and then eat fruit (and your liver glycogen stores are full) you create a similar metabolic environment as HFCS creates.
now fruits also have a number of phytochemicals and phytonutrients that offset this (which HFCS does not). Still lots of fruit is not necessarily healthy, especially with any type of carbohydrate overfeeding.
DonutsNCoffee
11-13-2005, 10:19 AM
fructose is fine in small to moderate amounts, but if other carb intake is high then the same issues occur.
so if you eat a lot of carbs, even with most of them being complex, and then eat fruit (and your liver glycogen stores are full) you create a similar metabolic environment as HFCS creates.
I guess I just have a hard time believing that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it still sounds strange to think that fruit, something nature has created for us, could be bad for a person. I eat a bowl of plain oatmeal for breakfast and to add some flavor, I top it with wild blueberries. It's not a lot. A half a cup of oatmeal and a half of cup of blueberries, plus 3 egg whites. That's my whole breakfast. And between breakfast and lunch, I'll eat a cup of non-fat plain yogurt and a handful of strawberries. Again, I can't imagine this combination being bad for me. It just sounds so healthy.
so if you eat a lot of carbs, even with most of them being complex, and then eat fruit (and your liver glycogen stores are full) you create a similar metabolic environment as HFCS creates.
I guess I just have a hard time believing that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it still sounds strange to think that fruit, something nature has created for us, could be bad for a person. I eat a bowl of plain oatmeal for breakfast and to add some flavor, I top it with wild blueberries. It's not a lot. A half a cup of oatmeal and a half of cup of blueberries, plus 3 egg whites. That's my whole breakfast. And between breakfast and lunch, I'll eat a cup of non-fat plain yogurt and a handful of strawberries. Again, I can't imagine this combination being bad for me. It just sounds so healthy.
macro
11-13-2005, 08:39 PM
but it still sounds strange to think that fruit, something nature has created for us, could be bad for a person.
natural bounty includes strychnine, nightshade, hemlock and cyanide.
fruits are fine in small amounts, and they are certainly better for you than sucrose and high fructose cornsyrup (not so much because fruits have a great carbohydrate profile, but because of the phytonutrients in them.)
natural bounty includes strychnine, nightshade, hemlock and cyanide.
fruits are fine in small amounts, and they are certainly better for you than sucrose and high fructose cornsyrup (not so much because fruits have a great carbohydrate profile, but because of the phytonutrients in them.)
sean
11-13-2005, 10:21 PM
I guess I just have a hard time believing that. I'm not saying you're wrong, but it still sounds strange to think that fruit, something nature has created for us, could be bad for a person. I eat a bowl of plain oatmeal for breakfast and to add some flavor, I top it with wild blueberries. It's not a lot. A half a cup of oatmeal and a half of cup of blueberries, plus 3 egg whites. That's my whole breakfast. And between breakfast and lunch, I'll eat a cup of non-fat plain yogurt and a handful of strawberries. Again, I can't imagine this combination being bad for me. It just sounds so healthy.
I take second to no person in my love of nature, but this is a simplistic way to think that leads many astray. I agree with Macro that nature provides many noxious things that we would not do well to eat. And I also agree with Macro's view that fruit may be fine, but in large quantities it is not guaranteed to be healthful just because natural.
[But first, and a little off topic, D and C, your view of benevolent nature leads you to avoid whole milk and whole eggs? What kind of nature prepared those skimmed and whitened foods for you? I'd be willing to bet that on balance, the health value of your diet would go up substantially if you left those yolks in there. And your blood fats would probably improve.
Meanwhile it is well established that fat in a meal reduces the glycemic index of any carbs eaten in that same meal, so the low fat meal, everything else being equal, leads to greater excursions in insulin levels and everything we have learned to associate with simple carbs.]
But back to fructose--fruit sugar--and the idea that since it comes from mother nature it must be good. "Natural" however defined, is not an infallible guide to diet. especially if we are trying to reduce body size--probably not something "natural" for the species in the first place. we have to think past this. Still, to show that the concept has some value, the fructose in fruit has a lower glycemic index than that in processed corn syrup since the fruit sugar is bound up in the fruit's fiber and so on. The point is, then, to think things through.
For the record, as I understand the research, high fructose corn syrup, or any rich fructose source typically reduces both insulin and leptin responses, especially the latter, which leads to greater fat deposition at otherwise equal caloric levels. Scientists studying fructose in fact were among the first to realize that "a calorie is a calorie" just does not explain what goes on in the body after a meal. in addition, fructose is metabolized to fat in the liver preferentially compared to glucose or other sugars (sucrose, table sugar, is a dimer combining one moleculse of glucose with one of fructose). If eaten in quantity over time, fructose produces insulin resistance in test animals, although I don't think this has been established so clearly in people.
It's not a good thing. You'd be better off with table sugar, probably, and almost certainly with glucose or dextrose. (Or, for weight loss purposes at least, and to really start a commotion here, with artificial sweeteners!) This doesn't mean you, DandC, should stop putting blueberries on your yogurt--this is almost certainly a great thing for your health. But on the other hand, not to realize that fruit sugar is sugar, and maybe even not such a great type of sugar, is missing a major piece of the story.
hope this is of help
sean
I take second to no person in my love of nature, but this is a simplistic way to think that leads many astray. I agree with Macro that nature provides many noxious things that we would not do well to eat. And I also agree with Macro's view that fruit may be fine, but in large quantities it is not guaranteed to be healthful just because natural.
[But first, and a little off topic, D and C, your view of benevolent nature leads you to avoid whole milk and whole eggs? What kind of nature prepared those skimmed and whitened foods for you? I'd be willing to bet that on balance, the health value of your diet would go up substantially if you left those yolks in there. And your blood fats would probably improve.
Meanwhile it is well established that fat in a meal reduces the glycemic index of any carbs eaten in that same meal, so the low fat meal, everything else being equal, leads to greater excursions in insulin levels and everything we have learned to associate with simple carbs.]
But back to fructose--fruit sugar--and the idea that since it comes from mother nature it must be good. "Natural" however defined, is not an infallible guide to diet. especially if we are trying to reduce body size--probably not something "natural" for the species in the first place. we have to think past this. Still, to show that the concept has some value, the fructose in fruit has a lower glycemic index than that in processed corn syrup since the fruit sugar is bound up in the fruit's fiber and so on. The point is, then, to think things through.
For the record, as I understand the research, high fructose corn syrup, or any rich fructose source typically reduces both insulin and leptin responses, especially the latter, which leads to greater fat deposition at otherwise equal caloric levels. Scientists studying fructose in fact were among the first to realize that "a calorie is a calorie" just does not explain what goes on in the body after a meal. in addition, fructose is metabolized to fat in the liver preferentially compared to glucose or other sugars (sucrose, table sugar, is a dimer combining one moleculse of glucose with one of fructose). If eaten in quantity over time, fructose produces insulin resistance in test animals, although I don't think this has been established so clearly in people.
It's not a good thing. You'd be better off with table sugar, probably, and almost certainly with glucose or dextrose. (Or, for weight loss purposes at least, and to really start a commotion here, with artificial sweeteners!) This doesn't mean you, DandC, should stop putting blueberries on your yogurt--this is almost certainly a great thing for your health. But on the other hand, not to realize that fruit sugar is sugar, and maybe even not such a great type of sugar, is missing a major piece of the story.
hope this is of help
sean
macro
11-14-2005, 05:01 AM
If eaten in quantity over time, fructose produces insulin resistance in test animials, although I don't think this has been established so clearly in people.
it has been established, just looked at the epidimiology. Introduction of high fructose cornsyrup and burgeoning diabetes and insulin resistance. Though to be sure sucrose is not great but its only 50:50, HFCS is 80:20 and even 90:10 (fructose to dextrose ratio).
as a further note- fructose, unlike glucose, DOSE NOT REQUIRE INSULIN to be stored as fat.
it has been established, just looked at the epidimiology. Introduction of high fructose cornsyrup and burgeoning diabetes and insulin resistance. Though to be sure sucrose is not great but its only 50:50, HFCS is 80:20 and even 90:10 (fructose to dextrose ratio).
as a further note- fructose, unlike glucose, DOSE NOT REQUIRE INSULIN to be stored as fat.
macro
12-21-2005, 05:42 AM
the fructose in fruit has a lower glycemic index than that in processed corn syrup since the fruit sugar is bound up in the fruit's fiber and so on. The point is, then, to think things through.
in addition, fructose is metabolized to fat in the liver preferentially compared to glucose or other sugars (sucrose, table sugar, is a dimer combining one moleculse of glucose with one of fructose).
agree that fruit fibers (and phytonutrients are beneficial)
another main issue with fructose is that it is the only sugar that can be stored as fat in the ABSENCE of insulin.
in addition, fructose is metabolized to fat in the liver preferentially compared to glucose or other sugars (sucrose, table sugar, is a dimer combining one moleculse of glucose with one of fructose).
agree that fruit fibers (and phytonutrients are beneficial)
another main issue with fructose is that it is the only sugar that can be stored as fat in the ABSENCE of insulin.