Garrett8899
11-17-2005, 09:11 AM
I have been trying colloidal silver everyday. I have no idea if its helping.
I did not get the job I interviewed for 2 wks ago. It kills me that this is ruining my career.
I have been waking up with a bad morning breath, worse than usual. the weather is changing where I live and I think I have increased PND.
I did not get the job I interviewed for 2 wks ago. It kills me that this is ruining my career.
I have been waking up with a bad morning breath, worse than usual. the weather is changing where I live and I think I have increased PND.
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isaiah53
11-17-2005, 11:28 AM
I agree with garrett that this time of the year is the one of the worst for bb.
I'm in the poopy breath stage with no relief in sight. I re-ordered Vaxa I think that helps some. I started doing nasal washes again with baking soda and salt or Breatheasy powder. I found that keeping the "no wheat, dairy, caffeine, sweets" diet helpful but time consuming and very difficult to maintain. I hate to think of the money I've spent on this problem alone! I've also noticed that my apartment is now smelling like my breath does and it's very depressing, it's like it envades your life!
I'm in the poopy breath stage with no relief in sight. I re-ordered Vaxa I think that helps some. I started doing nasal washes again with baking soda and salt or Breatheasy powder. I found that keeping the "no wheat, dairy, caffeine, sweets" diet helpful but time consuming and very difficult to maintain. I hate to think of the money I've spent on this problem alone! I've also noticed that my apartment is now smelling like my breath does and it's very depressing, it's like it envades your life!
ginger65
11-26-2005, 07:59 AM
Hi Garrett,
Good to hear from you. I used the silver for a few days and I must admit the sinus pain lessened a lot and I had more mental and physical energy. Still had some mucous. BB was not too bad but still refluxing regularly so difficult to assess the effectiveness of any treatment. Been using the pau d'arco and the front of my tongue is now pinker than before but that grainy coating still appears on the dorsum. Been using dentyl ph to monitor the bacteria being removed and it has gone down a little. Awaiting reflux surgery on the December 13th so hopeful and apprehensive about that. Still feel that PND is the main problem and that the reflux is causing the congestion. Still determined to have ct scan for sinuses which I feel are badly infected.
Think you should have a scan asap to rule out any infection. I firmly believe that your problem is a by product of some other condition.
Best wishes
Good to hear from you. I used the silver for a few days and I must admit the sinus pain lessened a lot and I had more mental and physical energy. Still had some mucous. BB was not too bad but still refluxing regularly so difficult to assess the effectiveness of any treatment. Been using the pau d'arco and the front of my tongue is now pinker than before but that grainy coating still appears on the dorsum. Been using dentyl ph to monitor the bacteria being removed and it has gone down a little. Awaiting reflux surgery on the December 13th so hopeful and apprehensive about that. Still feel that PND is the main problem and that the reflux is causing the congestion. Still determined to have ct scan for sinuses which I feel are badly infected.
Think you should have a scan asap to rule out any infection. I firmly believe that your problem is a by product of some other condition.
Best wishes
noptical
11-27-2005, 01:47 PM
Is PND curable?
Garrett8899
11-28-2005, 11:13 AM
nope no cure for PND that I know of.
I have been drinking a TON I mean A TON of water and I find that my pnd is minimal. Its also really cleaning me out, my mouth was fresh over the holidays and got little to no reactions when talking.
I am always aware of nose rubs and hands to nose from other people. but I didn't get any of that while drinking the water constantly.
i was however in the bathroom 30 times a day. But hey, I'll keep on with it.
Any thoughts on a HUGE water intake? I mean like a bottle every hour, not just 8-10 glasses a day...
I have been drinking a TON I mean A TON of water and I find that my pnd is minimal. Its also really cleaning me out, my mouth was fresh over the holidays and got little to no reactions when talking.
I am always aware of nose rubs and hands to nose from other people. but I didn't get any of that while drinking the water constantly.
i was however in the bathroom 30 times a day. But hey, I'll keep on with it.
Any thoughts on a HUGE water intake? I mean like a bottle every hour, not just 8-10 glasses a day...
Joshie
11-28-2005, 04:01 PM
I drink about 2 glasses of water an hour. Yes, I pee every hour or more as well.
Garrett8899
11-28-2005, 05:12 PM
how are you getting on Joshie? do you feel the water helps you at all?
Joshie
11-28-2005, 06:10 PM
I think it does, but I need something else too. Sovereign Silver should be in my mailbox any day now. =)
mya123
12-10-2005, 10:50 AM
I am on my second day of colloidal silver and I have not notices any differences whatsoever? Am I using it wrong? Are you ingesting it or placing it in your noses?
Godisgood
12-10-2005, 12:56 PM
Garrett
It is true...you didn't get any reactions over the holidays???? Tell me what you did?? And tell me what you are doing to maintain??
It is true...you didn't get any reactions over the holidays???? Tell me what you did?? And tell me what you are doing to maintain??
Garrett8899
12-10-2005, 01:32 PM
Well I have good days when I pay attention to maintaining my breath to a "better" level.
I do have a girlfriend still and she is very comfortable with me. She made a few comments last night about my breath. I was eating fried foods though hadn't drank any water that day.
But the days I eat clean, drink a TON of water and now suck on Zinc tabs, I am wayyyyyyyyyy better off.
I bought Zinc tabs ( chelated ) and did not swallow them, but let them dissolve on my tongue. It doesn't taste the best, but I am thinking it clings to the sulfur compounds in my mouth and neutralizes it.
I didn't by Zinc lozenges because they contain other stuff to make it taste good, the zinc amount is low.
If you can stand chalky-ness for 10 minutes while it dissolves, give it a try and let me know. I just really wanted the zinc to grab onto my mouth's bad stuff, instead of swallowing and it appearing in my blood stream. Which did me no good.
I have stopped the Silver in my nose. I am not sure it is healthy. I didn't see results. I don't think my PND smells, I think its smells when it hits my throat and tongue area, and then has nice vacation in my oral cavity.
Let me know if you all try dissolving Zinc tabs on your tongue... interested to hear. God is good, how are you? You were the first to come out with the problem here. HOw is the bb and bo? Hopefully you are managing. I am still trying as well.
I do have a girlfriend still and she is very comfortable with me. She made a few comments last night about my breath. I was eating fried foods though hadn't drank any water that day.
But the days I eat clean, drink a TON of water and now suck on Zinc tabs, I am wayyyyyyyyyy better off.
I bought Zinc tabs ( chelated ) and did not swallow them, but let them dissolve on my tongue. It doesn't taste the best, but I am thinking it clings to the sulfur compounds in my mouth and neutralizes it.
I didn't by Zinc lozenges because they contain other stuff to make it taste good, the zinc amount is low.
If you can stand chalky-ness for 10 minutes while it dissolves, give it a try and let me know. I just really wanted the zinc to grab onto my mouth's bad stuff, instead of swallowing and it appearing in my blood stream. Which did me no good.
I have stopped the Silver in my nose. I am not sure it is healthy. I didn't see results. I don't think my PND smells, I think its smells when it hits my throat and tongue area, and then has nice vacation in my oral cavity.
Let me know if you all try dissolving Zinc tabs on your tongue... interested to hear. God is good, how are you? You were the first to come out with the problem here. HOw is the bb and bo? Hopefully you are managing. I am still trying as well.
Joshie
12-10-2005, 10:05 PM
I received the Sovereign Silver a couple of days ago. I'll give it a try as soon as this nasty cold has passed completely.
mya123
12-10-2005, 11:46 PM
I think the S silver is useless! I am not experiencing any results. Like you Garrett i think that my PND only smells when it hits my tongue. Besides that Silver burns!
The best results thus far for me has been Sun Chorella. I used to have body odor and BB but now I have no body odor at ALL! I still have some BB but if I am consistent with my diet of no simple carbs then my PND is virtually gone and BB is a minimum.
For thanksgiving...I had NO BB whatsoever! I talked in people's faces and everything-- no reaction!
The best results thus far for me has been Sun Chorella. I used to have body odor and BB but now I have no body odor at ALL! I still have some BB but if I am consistent with my diet of no simple carbs then my PND is virtually gone and BB is a minimum.
For thanksgiving...I had NO BB whatsoever! I talked in people's faces and everything-- no reaction!
peachpit
12-11-2005, 05:45 AM
I'm almost out of the sovereign silver, I bought the big bottle when we first brought this up a month or two ago. Been doing it twice a day, two droppers in each nostril, and a few under the tongue. Nothing for me, no help.
Vaxa was no use either, finished that bottle up a while ago.
I was on regular pennicillin not long ago for a week due to a tooth problem, after one week of it my tongue was pink and the bad taste was out of my mouth. Even remember having a conversation with someone at a nightclub speaking real close and not a single hint of my breath smelling. The last time my tongue was that pink and the taste gone was after my tonsillectomy almost two years ago, and that was a week of pennicillin too. I swear I have an infection somewhere, but the ct scan didn't show anything and no matter how many symptoms I brought up to my ent he refuses to believe there's anything wrong because of the clear ct scan. ugh!!
Vaxa was no use either, finished that bottle up a while ago.
I was on regular pennicillin not long ago for a week due to a tooth problem, after one week of it my tongue was pink and the bad taste was out of my mouth. Even remember having a conversation with someone at a nightclub speaking real close and not a single hint of my breath smelling. The last time my tongue was that pink and the taste gone was after my tonsillectomy almost two years ago, and that was a week of pennicillin too. I swear I have an infection somewhere, but the ct scan didn't show anything and no matter how many symptoms I brought up to my ent he refuses to believe there's anything wrong because of the clear ct scan. ugh!!
Joshie
12-12-2005, 04:44 PM
I think the S silver is useless! I am not experiencing any results. Like you Garrett i think that my PND only smells when it hits my tongue. Besides that Silver burns!
The best results thus far for me has been Sun Chorella. I used to have body odor and BB but now I have no body odor at ALL! I still have some BB but if I am consistent with my diet of no simple carbs then my PND is virtually gone and BB is a minimum.
For thanksgiving...I had NO BB whatsoever! I talked in people's faces and everything-- no reaction!
Exactly what did your body odor smell like? My face and hair start smelling like sebum when I start sweating, but I don't really have any sweat odor.
The best results thus far for me has been Sun Chorella. I used to have body odor and BB but now I have no body odor at ALL! I still have some BB but if I am consistent with my diet of no simple carbs then my PND is virtually gone and BB is a minimum.
For thanksgiving...I had NO BB whatsoever! I talked in people's faces and everything-- no reaction!
Exactly what did your body odor smell like? My face and hair start smelling like sebum when I start sweating, but I don't really have any sweat odor.
mya123
12-15-2005, 05:34 PM
Exactly what did your body odor smell like? My face and hair start smelling like sebum when I start sweating, but I don't really have any sweat odor.
hi Joshie
My body odor was anywhere from fecal to garbage to musty smelling. Someone mentioned to me that I should use Sun Chorella and someone else said Vit B2. I tried both and they were both effective. Vit B2 100mg four times a day was best for sweating odor and sun chorella was best for fecal garbage smell. Sun CHorella also made my skin look so nice and clear. I had acne and it cleared it up. I wish it helped with the BB.
I also used to have the sebum smelling hair and I just used a few grapefruit seed extract in my shampoo and the smell was minimized.
I just need to get BB under control. FOr the next year I will be working with very important people in my field and I am so desperate to find a cure.
Time is running out :((
hi Joshie
My body odor was anywhere from fecal to garbage to musty smelling. Someone mentioned to me that I should use Sun Chorella and someone else said Vit B2. I tried both and they were both effective. Vit B2 100mg four times a day was best for sweating odor and sun chorella was best for fecal garbage smell. Sun CHorella also made my skin look so nice and clear. I had acne and it cleared it up. I wish it helped with the BB.
I also used to have the sebum smelling hair and I just used a few grapefruit seed extract in my shampoo and the smell was minimized.
I just need to get BB under control. FOr the next year I will be working with very important people in my field and I am so desperate to find a cure.
Time is running out :((
Godisgood
12-17-2005, 01:15 PM
Garrett
...I'm hanging in there...my diet has been soo bad. My breath and body odor is worse than ever. I'v just stated my christmas vacation... so I plan to do...lots of water and
better diet.
I'm soo glad to hear that...you are having better days...thats a good start. So, are you restricting anything from your diet....and when you say..lots of water...how much is "lots?"
God bless you Garrett...
...I'm hanging in there...my diet has been soo bad. My breath and body odor is worse than ever. I'v just stated my christmas vacation... so I plan to do...lots of water and
better diet.
I'm soo glad to hear that...you are having better days...thats a good start. So, are you restricting anything from your diet....and when you say..lots of water...how much is "lots?"
God bless you Garrett...
ginger65
12-18-2005, 07:07 AM
Hi everyone,
Pleased to see that you are all still supporting each other. Well, I have had a strange kind of week which I would like to share with you. Went into hospital on Tuesday for fundo surgery on the Wednesday. Went through the whole pre-operation routine and went for surgery on Wednesday morning. When I returned to the ward I didn't feel different in the sense of something having been corrected and there seemed little pain. For the rest of the day I was feeling really negative about the outcome of the surgery as I could still sense the reflux taking place.
My consultant visited me in the evening and informed me that the fundo did not take place and that was why I was experiencing no change in my condition. She assured me that if the wrap was completed I would not be experiencing any reflux. So having been relieved that the surgery had not failed she then proceeds to inform me that the reason for not undertaking the fundo was because they came across a nodule in my stomach which was giving them cause for concern. I was still kind of drowsy from the anaesthetics so did not quite take it in. I was to stay in hospital until they could confirm whether it was malignant or benign. I never slept that night thinking over what she had said. I then had to wait the best part of the day on Thursday for a CAT scan and again stayed in overnight as the results were not ready. I had not seen my little girls since going in and could not stop thinking about them and the effects that this may have on them. Well Friday came and around lunchtime they told me that the radiographer said there was nothing to worry about either in the stomach or elsewhere. I still do not know what the nodule was they found but can only assume that it was just a hard protuding piece of tissue. I was a little dismayed to see reference to a connection between stomach tumors and H Pylori which I had been diagnosed with in April and perhaps it was never cleared.
I guess what I am saying is that although BB is very demoralising it is something we should all be able to either find a solution to or a coping strategy for dealing with. I never gave BB a second thought in there so it kind of puts it into perspective. I did use the time to monitor my reactions to food etc. I was nil by mouth for nearly 48 hrs and I noticed I had less mucous to clear and less congestion. When I had some milk and cereal the mucous and congestion returned. How much they are linked I am not sure as it could be that the reflux was taking hold after consuming food. I feel I have more insight to my BB problem and feel that the causal part is related to the reflux although the actual odor I feel comes from mucous pooling at the back of my throat. Is this PND or throat mucous I am not sure ? Is it food allergy based ? ... I am not sure. I still feel the sinuses are important and although the PND does not carry odor... as soon as it hits the throat and pools it mixes with the bacteria and soon produces a smell. On the days in hospital I had no mucous I had no discernable BB and that mirrors the few other occasions I have been BB free. For me restricted reflux means no mucous and no BB.
Sorry so long but I needed to get this out somehow.
PS Having the fundo in a few months time.
Best wishes for the festive season
Pleased to see that you are all still supporting each other. Well, I have had a strange kind of week which I would like to share with you. Went into hospital on Tuesday for fundo surgery on the Wednesday. Went through the whole pre-operation routine and went for surgery on Wednesday morning. When I returned to the ward I didn't feel different in the sense of something having been corrected and there seemed little pain. For the rest of the day I was feeling really negative about the outcome of the surgery as I could still sense the reflux taking place.
My consultant visited me in the evening and informed me that the fundo did not take place and that was why I was experiencing no change in my condition. She assured me that if the wrap was completed I would not be experiencing any reflux. So having been relieved that the surgery had not failed she then proceeds to inform me that the reason for not undertaking the fundo was because they came across a nodule in my stomach which was giving them cause for concern. I was still kind of drowsy from the anaesthetics so did not quite take it in. I was to stay in hospital until they could confirm whether it was malignant or benign. I never slept that night thinking over what she had said. I then had to wait the best part of the day on Thursday for a CAT scan and again stayed in overnight as the results were not ready. I had not seen my little girls since going in and could not stop thinking about them and the effects that this may have on them. Well Friday came and around lunchtime they told me that the radiographer said there was nothing to worry about either in the stomach or elsewhere. I still do not know what the nodule was they found but can only assume that it was just a hard protuding piece of tissue. I was a little dismayed to see reference to a connection between stomach tumors and H Pylori which I had been diagnosed with in April and perhaps it was never cleared.
I guess what I am saying is that although BB is very demoralising it is something we should all be able to either find a solution to or a coping strategy for dealing with. I never gave BB a second thought in there so it kind of puts it into perspective. I did use the time to monitor my reactions to food etc. I was nil by mouth for nearly 48 hrs and I noticed I had less mucous to clear and less congestion. When I had some milk and cereal the mucous and congestion returned. How much they are linked I am not sure as it could be that the reflux was taking hold after consuming food. I feel I have more insight to my BB problem and feel that the causal part is related to the reflux although the actual odor I feel comes from mucous pooling at the back of my throat. Is this PND or throat mucous I am not sure ? Is it food allergy based ? ... I am not sure. I still feel the sinuses are important and although the PND does not carry odor... as soon as it hits the throat and pools it mixes with the bacteria and soon produces a smell. On the days in hospital I had no mucous I had no discernable BB and that mirrors the few other occasions I have been BB free. For me restricted reflux means no mucous and no BB.
Sorry so long but I needed to get this out somehow.
PS Having the fundo in a few months time.
Best wishes for the festive season
cobalt222
12-20-2005, 01:35 PM
Hi ginger sorry to hear about that atleast you are OK.
I have a few questions regarding your situation as I am back on the acid reflux theory again. I want to know what your general symptoms are in terms of day to day when is it worse morning, evening etc any details you can provide. I've also seen a gastro consultant but he just gave me some strong antacids which seem to have little effect. Did this happen in your case and how did the antacids work for you? Lastly what should I be asking my consultant to look for and how will he decide if I need the fundo surgery? Think I'm booked in for an endoscopy next time. Kind regards
I have a few questions regarding your situation as I am back on the acid reflux theory again. I want to know what your general symptoms are in terms of day to day when is it worse morning, evening etc any details you can provide. I've also seen a gastro consultant but he just gave me some strong antacids which seem to have little effect. Did this happen in your case and how did the antacids work for you? Lastly what should I be asking my consultant to look for and how will he decide if I need the fundo surgery? Think I'm booked in for an endoscopy next time. Kind regards
ginger65
12-20-2005, 02:18 PM
Hi Cobalt,
Thanks for the kind words. I will have to go through the whole process again but to be honest I do not think I was ready either physically or mentally this time. Some people find relief from PPI's but others do not. I think in my case my hiatus hernia and loose sphincter were the problem preventing the meds from working. This could be the same for you. Though funny enough I am back on the omemprozole just now and they seem to lessening the sore throat,mucous and BB.The protocol in the UK once meds have failed is endoscopy to see if any hernia etc followed by 24 hr PH monitoring. In hospital was the first time I had heard my consultant refer to my PH results when she described them to her junior staff as severe and the reason why the fundo was so necessary.
My reflux symptoms have evolved over the past 18 months from when they first appeared. At that time it was persistant globus, excess mucous, constant throat clearing, burning throat and mouth and of course BB. My tonsils then became chronically infected and produced stones daily which made BB really bad. I had them removed in March and my BB improved but was still a problem. Over the past 4 or 5 months my main symptoms are nearly ever present nasal congestion, sinus type headaches, regular throat clearing of mucous (PND ?). There are no real worse parts of the day but university often induces more mucous and a feeling of BB (stress ?) but generally LPR happens during the day when upright but can continue also when sleeping.
The BB element now seems related to the mucous factor as it pools and rests at the back of my throat and I just cannot clear it. I can feel it stagnate and smell the odor it produces. The sinus headaches have improved since using the colloidal silver drops but I feel there may still be an underlying infection in there somewhere. As with the other contributor the only time I have been fully congestion and PND free was post tonsillectomy which was probably down to the sheer volume of anti biotic going into my system..but who can say for sure. You see the tonsils, sinuses, and throat are all LPR related in my view and that is why I have concentrated on this. You should arrange to have your PH monitoring as close to the endoscopy as possible especially if a hiatus hernia is detected.
The monitoring will determine whether surgery is the proper path to take.
Best wishes
Thanks for the kind words. I will have to go through the whole process again but to be honest I do not think I was ready either physically or mentally this time. Some people find relief from PPI's but others do not. I think in my case my hiatus hernia and loose sphincter were the problem preventing the meds from working. This could be the same for you. Though funny enough I am back on the omemprozole just now and they seem to lessening the sore throat,mucous and BB.The protocol in the UK once meds have failed is endoscopy to see if any hernia etc followed by 24 hr PH monitoring. In hospital was the first time I had heard my consultant refer to my PH results when she described them to her junior staff as severe and the reason why the fundo was so necessary.
My reflux symptoms have evolved over the past 18 months from when they first appeared. At that time it was persistant globus, excess mucous, constant throat clearing, burning throat and mouth and of course BB. My tonsils then became chronically infected and produced stones daily which made BB really bad. I had them removed in March and my BB improved but was still a problem. Over the past 4 or 5 months my main symptoms are nearly ever present nasal congestion, sinus type headaches, regular throat clearing of mucous (PND ?). There are no real worse parts of the day but university often induces more mucous and a feeling of BB (stress ?) but generally LPR happens during the day when upright but can continue also when sleeping.
The BB element now seems related to the mucous factor as it pools and rests at the back of my throat and I just cannot clear it. I can feel it stagnate and smell the odor it produces. The sinus headaches have improved since using the colloidal silver drops but I feel there may still be an underlying infection in there somewhere. As with the other contributor the only time I have been fully congestion and PND free was post tonsillectomy which was probably down to the sheer volume of anti biotic going into my system..but who can say for sure. You see the tonsils, sinuses, and throat are all LPR related in my view and that is why I have concentrated on this. You should arrange to have your PH monitoring as close to the endoscopy as possible especially if a hiatus hernia is detected.
The monitoring will determine whether surgery is the proper path to take.
Best wishes
Garrett8899
12-27-2005, 04:22 PM
Has anyone here been tested for hypochlorhydria?
These are some of the symptoms of it. Google it and bad breath, some info out there on it. Let me know what you think or any thoughts...
gas, bloating, burping after meals
sluggish digestion - food seems to sit in the stomach after meals.
heartburn not due to excess acidity
bad breath - undigested meat protein putrefies in the intestines, producing foul-smelling odor.
upset stomach, diarrhea
iron deficiency
low energy
weak, brittle, or peeling nails
dilated capillaries in the cheeks and nose
dry and thin hair and skin
acne
These are some of the symptoms of it. Google it and bad breath, some info out there on it. Let me know what you think or any thoughts...
gas, bloating, burping after meals
sluggish digestion - food seems to sit in the stomach after meals.
heartburn not due to excess acidity
bad breath - undigested meat protein putrefies in the intestines, producing foul-smelling odor.
upset stomach, diarrhea
iron deficiency
low energy
weak, brittle, or peeling nails
dilated capillaries in the cheeks and nose
dry and thin hair and skin
acne
cobalt222
12-28-2005, 07:26 PM
Ginger - just wanted to ask you at what age your bb started? Also I am soon due to have an endoscopy - will this be enough to see whether I have any type of reflux as well as more importantly any physical defects of the sphincter muscle or hiatus hernia? ps just out of interest how long did it take you to get an appointment for your nissen operation.
Thanks
Thanks
Garrett8899
12-30-2005, 09:22 AM
I just wanted to let you all know. I am having great success by taking a new supplement. Its HCL with Pepsin for hypochlorhydria. You can get it at any Vitamin shop. I have not had one comment on my breath, and my digestion is GREAT. I have major digestion issues, bloating, gas, etc with anything I eat. If I take this with meals, I feel fine. I've had conversations with people too, and no responses!!!
If you think low hydrochloric acid is your problem, and you have had digestion issues in the past, and your bb comes after eating, this may really help you.
Its a supplement that helps me break down my foods properly. Start slow if you do decide to try it, with one pill per meal. Always take with food. I found that it helped, but if low acid is not your problem, it may hurt your stomach. I am now up to 5 pills a day with my meals, 2 with snacks.
I have found alot of my doctors treated me for too much acid, which I don't think was my problem. So taking antacids, made my situation worse. I have found on the internet hypochlorhydria is alot of time misdiagnosed ( as having too much acid, instead of very little )
I hate to get excited yet again, but I really feel an actual difference in my whole stomach/mouth make-up. Which I never have before.
Will keep you posted
G
If you think low hydrochloric acid is your problem, and you have had digestion issues in the past, and your bb comes after eating, this may really help you.
Its a supplement that helps me break down my foods properly. Start slow if you do decide to try it, with one pill per meal. Always take with food. I found that it helped, but if low acid is not your problem, it may hurt your stomach. I am now up to 5 pills a day with my meals, 2 with snacks.
I have found alot of my doctors treated me for too much acid, which I don't think was my problem. So taking antacids, made my situation worse. I have found on the internet hypochlorhydria is alot of time misdiagnosed ( as having too much acid, instead of very little )
I hate to get excited yet again, but I really feel an actual difference in my whole stomach/mouth make-up. Which I never have before.
Will keep you posted
G
ginger65
01-05-2006, 10:54 AM
Garrett,
Really pleased that something is working for you. I will give it a try. I never felt I was over acidic despite the reflux it was just that whatever volume I was producing was refluxing. It could be that digestive tract unlike my mouth is not acidic enough. Had a great two weeks post hospital discharge. No reflux, no mucous and no bb. Felt like the PPI's were working. New prescription of different brand and mucous is back (a little) and getting grainy tongue coating way back. Pau d'arco keeping most of tongue pink and hopefully also fighting any candida internally. I feel my problem is related to a yeast imbalance (candida) as well as reflux. I get very fatigued, crave sugars and carbohydrates and my sinuses play up. Could this be related to a low level of acid in stomach which the PPI's exacerbate. My BB is manageable just now and I feel given proper dietary and medical attention I will get to the bottom of it.
Really pleased that something is working for you. I will give it a try. I never felt I was over acidic despite the reflux it was just that whatever volume I was producing was refluxing. It could be that digestive tract unlike my mouth is not acidic enough. Had a great two weeks post hospital discharge. No reflux, no mucous and no bb. Felt like the PPI's were working. New prescription of different brand and mucous is back (a little) and getting grainy tongue coating way back. Pau d'arco keeping most of tongue pink and hopefully also fighting any candida internally. I feel my problem is related to a yeast imbalance (candida) as well as reflux. I get very fatigued, crave sugars and carbohydrates and my sinuses play up. Could this be related to a low level of acid in stomach which the PPI's exacerbate. My BB is manageable just now and I feel given proper dietary and medical attention I will get to the bottom of it.
ginger65
01-05-2006, 11:02 AM
Hi Cobalt,
My BB began in earnest Spring 2004 when the LPR symptoms appeared. It got increasingly worse as I developed tonsil stones and infected tonsils. It has varied since the tonsilectomy in March. Now seems related to the level of mucous and grainy tongue coating I have. I feel this is a combination of reflux induced PND and yeast imbalance. I had two good weeks around the holidays when my mouth and throat felt neutral and I had very little mucous or major congestion. I am using Omeprazole PPI's just now with some success. Can feel the mucous pooling again and I wonder if the sinuses are re-infected.
The endoscopy should highlight any hernia and damage to the esophaegus. However, the PH monitoring is the real determinant as to whether or not the reflux is significant to indicate surgery. I am in the UK and from first appt with Nissen surgeon it took 8 months. I will have a further delay again as I still need to have it done.
My BB began in earnest Spring 2004 when the LPR symptoms appeared. It got increasingly worse as I developed tonsil stones and infected tonsils. It has varied since the tonsilectomy in March. Now seems related to the level of mucous and grainy tongue coating I have. I feel this is a combination of reflux induced PND and yeast imbalance. I had two good weeks around the holidays when my mouth and throat felt neutral and I had very little mucous or major congestion. I am using Omeprazole PPI's just now with some success. Can feel the mucous pooling again and I wonder if the sinuses are re-infected.
The endoscopy should highlight any hernia and damage to the esophaegus. However, the PH monitoring is the real determinant as to whether or not the reflux is significant to indicate surgery. I am in the UK and from first appt with Nissen surgeon it took 8 months. I will have a further delay again as I still need to have it done.
tdonline
01-05-2006, 07:35 PM
Hi.
Anyhow, the good news is that I went home for the holidays and according to my mom, no bad breath! I tested it by speaking about 6 inches from her nose and she said she couldn't detect the foul odor that had been present in August. I tested it on her after brushing and after having a full on out lunch. I consider this a breakthrough as in the fall, I had bb even after brushing and gargling with mouthrinse. And although I did not actually test it on my best friend, she did mention that she did not detect any bb from me while we were together. I also now just brush, floss and scrape once or twice a day, no mouthrinse, no expensive bb products, etc.
For the 'bad' news. I know that I still get sparodic episodes of bb. I have not been able to figure out why it happens. I think having heavy PND flow is probably a big culprit. And since it seems to appear suddenly, I also wonder if it is a case of having bits and pieces of food lodged in my throat/mucus and thus the odor when I speak or breathe out. Or my stomach is refluxing heavily. During the 10 days I was home, I noticed that it happened while I was on the plane, once at a basketball game (came on suddenly during the game, I know it was okay initially but noticed reactions during the 2nd half of the game) and once during a movie after eating lunch. All three times, I could catch whiffs of malador whenever I breathed out, laughed, etc. I'm trying to see if all three events have a link. It must be related to eating or get this...chewing gum. All three times I had chewed a lot of gum, drank and talked...and I wonder if taking in all that air along with the food/drinking is the problem. I'm experimenting by chewing gum gently and with my mouth tightly closed. I chew just enough to refresh my mouth and then stop, so only for a 10-20 seconds. Am also avoiding drinking and eating at the same time.
I'm taking a PPI for acid reflux and using two types of nasal spray to keep the PND at bay. I also do nasal washing daily. I also had a couple of acuncpunture sessions and am drinking traditional chinese herbs. I'm throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this problem! And after 3 months, I have not eradicated this problem but it seems pretty manageable at this point. School starts again next week and with the interactions needed in class/study sessions, etc. I guess that will be the real test. I, like many of you, have been severely disappointed before so I'm not going to get my hopes too high. Even though my mom said my breath was fine, I'm still very conscious about having face to face conversations. This is especially so since I still seem to get sudden and episodic BB.
I can't complain too much as the medication seems to be helping BB and I would rather pay the $$ and put up with the medication hassle than to have nothing help my BB. I really hope that I slowly but surely recover from this acid reflux problem. But as of now, though the BB has improved, I continue to have a low grade sore throat, belching problems and I get heartburn/esophageal spasms after eating/drinking. Bummer.
I had an endoscopy in December and the doc said everything looked fine, no acid damage, no hernia, nothing. I don't know why my chest hurts!
But hey, at the end of the day if the bb isn't as awful, I won't complain too much. This is long but i hope it can help whoever else may have the same problem.
Anyhow, the good news is that I went home for the holidays and according to my mom, no bad breath! I tested it by speaking about 6 inches from her nose and she said she couldn't detect the foul odor that had been present in August. I tested it on her after brushing and after having a full on out lunch. I consider this a breakthrough as in the fall, I had bb even after brushing and gargling with mouthrinse. And although I did not actually test it on my best friend, she did mention that she did not detect any bb from me while we were together. I also now just brush, floss and scrape once or twice a day, no mouthrinse, no expensive bb products, etc.
For the 'bad' news. I know that I still get sparodic episodes of bb. I have not been able to figure out why it happens. I think having heavy PND flow is probably a big culprit. And since it seems to appear suddenly, I also wonder if it is a case of having bits and pieces of food lodged in my throat/mucus and thus the odor when I speak or breathe out. Or my stomach is refluxing heavily. During the 10 days I was home, I noticed that it happened while I was on the plane, once at a basketball game (came on suddenly during the game, I know it was okay initially but noticed reactions during the 2nd half of the game) and once during a movie after eating lunch. All three times, I could catch whiffs of malador whenever I breathed out, laughed, etc. I'm trying to see if all three events have a link. It must be related to eating or get this...chewing gum. All three times I had chewed a lot of gum, drank and talked...and I wonder if taking in all that air along with the food/drinking is the problem. I'm experimenting by chewing gum gently and with my mouth tightly closed. I chew just enough to refresh my mouth and then stop, so only for a 10-20 seconds. Am also avoiding drinking and eating at the same time.
I'm taking a PPI for acid reflux and using two types of nasal spray to keep the PND at bay. I also do nasal washing daily. I also had a couple of acuncpunture sessions and am drinking traditional chinese herbs. I'm throwing everything but the kitchen sink at this problem! And after 3 months, I have not eradicated this problem but it seems pretty manageable at this point. School starts again next week and with the interactions needed in class/study sessions, etc. I guess that will be the real test. I, like many of you, have been severely disappointed before so I'm not going to get my hopes too high. Even though my mom said my breath was fine, I'm still very conscious about having face to face conversations. This is especially so since I still seem to get sudden and episodic BB.
I can't complain too much as the medication seems to be helping BB and I would rather pay the $$ and put up with the medication hassle than to have nothing help my BB. I really hope that I slowly but surely recover from this acid reflux problem. But as of now, though the BB has improved, I continue to have a low grade sore throat, belching problems and I get heartburn/esophageal spasms after eating/drinking. Bummer.
I had an endoscopy in December and the doc said everything looked fine, no acid damage, no hernia, nothing. I don't know why my chest hurts!
But hey, at the end of the day if the bb isn't as awful, I won't complain too much. This is long but i hope it can help whoever else may have the same problem.
ginger65
01-06-2006, 08:57 AM
Hi Garrett,
How are u getting on with the HCl. I am really keen to find out as I feel really awful today. Feeling very achey and fatigued, listless, depressed and generally out of it. I know it is not a flu bug as I have had this feeling so many times over the past couple of years. My BB is tolerable though I have not been out much to truly test it. I am struggling to understand what is happening to me.....but something is certainly taking place. I looked up the low stomach acid condition and certainly the symptoms do fit in to my general condition. Of more interest is the connection to atrophic gastritis and H. Pylori both of which I was diagnosed with in April last year under the endoscopy. Also the fact that my original ulcer had healed suggests that there has possibly been a low level of stomach acid for sometime.
I am therefore in a dimemna........having not taken any meds for the reflux for a long time and suffered the consequences I then take them which reduce the acid damage ( I have looked at my throat and the redness seems to have reduced) which could in turn further reduce the hydrochloric levels.
I think for at least 10 glorious days I had no symptoms of any description and no BB. I put this down to the PPI's helping for once. But I do not understand what is happening. For 18 months I do not use the meds and have an ongoing LPR problem along with low level fatigue, sinus problems etc (candida ?). I take the meds and it stops but then returns. Is it the reflux or the candida or a combination of both ? Could it be that my time in hospital intervened and corrected the systemic candida either through fasting or anti-fungal and bacterial meds during surgery. Was introducing proteins, sugars and yeasts (beer) post release just feeding the candida again and was the meds allowing this overgrowth to re-establish itself ?.
I do not feel like my food is being processed in my gut and it feels like it just sits there. I am going to experiment a little. Firstly to cut out all yeasts and sugars but take the PPI, then cut out both. Having the fundo may correct the structural reflux ( which I still want to do) but the issue of yeast overgrowth in the gut due to low hydrochloric acid is equally a problem because either way I still get BB as a symptom.
Sorry so long but your views would be much appreciated.
How are u getting on with the HCl. I am really keen to find out as I feel really awful today. Feeling very achey and fatigued, listless, depressed and generally out of it. I know it is not a flu bug as I have had this feeling so many times over the past couple of years. My BB is tolerable though I have not been out much to truly test it. I am struggling to understand what is happening to me.....but something is certainly taking place. I looked up the low stomach acid condition and certainly the symptoms do fit in to my general condition. Of more interest is the connection to atrophic gastritis and H. Pylori both of which I was diagnosed with in April last year under the endoscopy. Also the fact that my original ulcer had healed suggests that there has possibly been a low level of stomach acid for sometime.
I am therefore in a dimemna........having not taken any meds for the reflux for a long time and suffered the consequences I then take them which reduce the acid damage ( I have looked at my throat and the redness seems to have reduced) which could in turn further reduce the hydrochloric levels.
I think for at least 10 glorious days I had no symptoms of any description and no BB. I put this down to the PPI's helping for once. But I do not understand what is happening. For 18 months I do not use the meds and have an ongoing LPR problem along with low level fatigue, sinus problems etc (candida ?). I take the meds and it stops but then returns. Is it the reflux or the candida or a combination of both ? Could it be that my time in hospital intervened and corrected the systemic candida either through fasting or anti-fungal and bacterial meds during surgery. Was introducing proteins, sugars and yeasts (beer) post release just feeding the candida again and was the meds allowing this overgrowth to re-establish itself ?.
I do not feel like my food is being processed in my gut and it feels like it just sits there. I am going to experiment a little. Firstly to cut out all yeasts and sugars but take the PPI, then cut out both. Having the fundo may correct the structural reflux ( which I still want to do) but the issue of yeast overgrowth in the gut due to low hydrochloric acid is equally a problem because either way I still get BB as a symptom.
Sorry so long but your views would be much appreciated.
luckyhope
01-07-2006, 08:15 PM
I'm very confused because I have bad breath but none of the syptoms that many of you have been complaining about in the past threads. I have no white tongue, no bad taste, no dry mouth, no body odor, I have no digestion or constipation problems. The only thing that I do have is allergies and excessive mucus. I don't know what to do it's completely taken over my life. I'm extremely depressed, and I have extremely bad social anxiety. I literally don't talk to anyone at all out of fear that they will comment on my breath. This isn't some thing that I had my whole life. It just came out of no where when I was around 16-17. Around that time I also lost a great deal of weight and got my wisdom teeth in. My wisdom teeth were infected and had an amazingly putred smell coming from them so I removed them but the bad breath is still there. It helps alot to read your thread and see that I'm not the only one with this problem. I'm just wondering if there has been anything that has been successful for anyone on here. I'm already taking a probiotic, using therabreath oxygen action toothpaste and mouthwash along with peroxide, the activ k 12, scraping flossing, and the sinofresh products with no relief. Can not getting enough vitamins or having alot of mucus be the problem and if so what vitamins should I take and what can I do about the mucus?
Do any of you have anemia or circulation problems because I noticed that as my bb got worse I also started to get dizzyspells, headaches, fatigue which is (prob just from depression). I don't know what to do and I refuse to leave my house or my room until I am confident that my bb is gone. I did notice as well as someone else on here said that when I was on penacillin after my surgery my bb was gone.
Do any of you have anemia or circulation problems because I noticed that as my bb got worse I also started to get dizzyspells, headaches, fatigue which is (prob just from depression). I don't know what to do and I refuse to leave my house or my room until I am confident that my bb is gone. I did notice as well as someone else on here said that when I was on penacillin after my surgery my bb was gone.
vuitton
01-07-2006, 09:42 PM
I have read that the silver products, can turn your skin grey, in some cases...perminantly.
Also BB often comes from your stomach, so the best oral hygene does not help.
You could try, taking an over the counter stomach acid reducer, for a month and see if your breath gets better.
And then go to the doctor, and have your stomach checked out...
Also BB often comes from your stomach, so the best oral hygene does not help.
You could try, taking an over the counter stomach acid reducer, for a month and see if your breath gets better.
And then go to the doctor, and have your stomach checked out...
ginger65
01-09-2006, 09:48 AM
Hi Luckyhope,
It really is just a process of elimination. If your symptoms are restricted to allergies (what kind ?) and mucous then that could possibly point to an infection in the sinuses. This would produce fatigue, headaches (mostly around the eyes and centre of forehead though can be anywhere) and that general sense of brain fog. If the infection (either bacterial or fungal) is contained in the nasal passage your BB would be through the nose or alternatively it could be carried down to the throat in the mucous. I would have thought if you had a serious post nasal drip problem you would have had a white tongue towards the rear as the anaerobic bacteria feed on the mucous. Something else that could explain the general lethargy and BB is candida and it would be worth eliminating that from the equation. However, as you state that you have no gastro problems it seems unlikely that this could be the cause unless it is isolated to the sinuses. I would identify what you are allergic to and when the mucous is worst. I too have experienced relief post release from surgery and I am beginning to think that it is down to the sheer volume of anti-biotics and anti-fungal drugs they give you. It cleans the system but does not identify the source of the problem
Do not think that all symptoms are noticeable- things can still be happening but have just not yet fully presented and that includes the stomach and gut area.
Hope helps
It really is just a process of elimination. If your symptoms are restricted to allergies (what kind ?) and mucous then that could possibly point to an infection in the sinuses. This would produce fatigue, headaches (mostly around the eyes and centre of forehead though can be anywhere) and that general sense of brain fog. If the infection (either bacterial or fungal) is contained in the nasal passage your BB would be through the nose or alternatively it could be carried down to the throat in the mucous. I would have thought if you had a serious post nasal drip problem you would have had a white tongue towards the rear as the anaerobic bacteria feed on the mucous. Something else that could explain the general lethargy and BB is candida and it would be worth eliminating that from the equation. However, as you state that you have no gastro problems it seems unlikely that this could be the cause unless it is isolated to the sinuses. I would identify what you are allergic to and when the mucous is worst. I too have experienced relief post release from surgery and I am beginning to think that it is down to the sheer volume of anti-biotics and anti-fungal drugs they give you. It cleans the system but does not identify the source of the problem
Do not think that all symptoms are noticeable- things can still be happening but have just not yet fully presented and that includes the stomach and gut area.
Hope helps
luckyhope
01-09-2006, 07:17 PM
Hey Ginger65,
Thanks for the reply. Well I've always had alot of mucus for some reason even as a very young child but I didn't start having problems with my breath until recently and it seems as though it has gotten progressively worse along with my declining health. I do have stomach problems but instead of constipation I get diarrhea and I feel pain in my lower abdomen at times. Sometimes I feel nausea as well. I just know there is something wrong with me and I'm going to try to talk to a doctor over the phone to see if my symptoms could be caused by some sickness, or parasite. Has anyone else on here noticed their health declining as their bad breath came on? and Have you had bad breath your whole life or did it come on later in life? I'm asking the questions because I'm trying to figure out wether health has anything to do with bad breath.
Thanks for the reply. Well I've always had alot of mucus for some reason even as a very young child but I didn't start having problems with my breath until recently and it seems as though it has gotten progressively worse along with my declining health. I do have stomach problems but instead of constipation I get diarrhea and I feel pain in my lower abdomen at times. Sometimes I feel nausea as well. I just know there is something wrong with me and I'm going to try to talk to a doctor over the phone to see if my symptoms could be caused by some sickness, or parasite. Has anyone else on here noticed their health declining as their bad breath came on? and Have you had bad breath your whole life or did it come on later in life? I'm asking the questions because I'm trying to figure out wether health has anything to do with bad breath.
tdonline
01-09-2006, 09:30 PM
Saw the ENT today and after 4 months of musical drugs, side effects and expensive tests, her new diagnosis is the same as the old one, inflammation in my nose and swollen throat. She's convinced the swollen throat is from acid reflux and is doubling my protonix to twice a day. Otherwise she thinks I have two separate problems, the acid reflux swelling my throat and rhinitis inflamming my nose and giving me pnd. Oh well. This is it. If this doesn't work, I'm going to a new ENT. I've been here since late summer and I can't believe this doc has yet to figure it out!
Ginger, I found that nexium was really hard on my system and found food digestion slow. Protonix is a big improvement, but I still need to take in a lot of fiber in order to keep my digestive system going. So you may need to find a PPI that works for you. I also find my choice of food to be a big factor. I bought a smoked ham and have gorged on it for the last couple of days and umm...let's just say, I'm not very regular right now. So I'm going to have to lay off the protein for a little and stick with the veggies and lotsa of fiber.
Ginger, I found that nexium was really hard on my system and found food digestion slow. Protonix is a big improvement, but I still need to take in a lot of fiber in order to keep my digestive system going. So you may need to find a PPI that works for you. I also find my choice of food to be a big factor. I bought a smoked ham and have gorged on it for the last couple of days and umm...let's just say, I'm not very regular right now. So I'm going to have to lay off the protein for a little and stick with the veggies and lotsa of fiber.
noptical
01-11-2006, 08:15 AM
Hey Ginger65,
Thanks for the reply. Well I've always had alot of mucus for some reason even as a very young child but I didn't start having problems with my breath until recently and it seems as though it has gotten progressively worse along with my declining health. I do have stomach problems but instead of constipation I get diarrhea and I feel pain in my lower abdomen at times. Sometimes I feel nausea as well. I just know there is something wrong with me and I'm going to try to talk to a doctor over the phone to see if my symptoms could be caused by some sickness, or parasite. Has anyone else on here noticed their health declining as their bad breath came on? and Have you had bad breath your whole life or did it come on later in life? I'm asking the questions because I'm trying to figure out wether health has anything to do with bad breath.
i think mucus flowing down your throat and into your stomach is not good
Thanks for the reply. Well I've always had alot of mucus for some reason even as a very young child but I didn't start having problems with my breath until recently and it seems as though it has gotten progressively worse along with my declining health. I do have stomach problems but instead of constipation I get diarrhea and I feel pain in my lower abdomen at times. Sometimes I feel nausea as well. I just know there is something wrong with me and I'm going to try to talk to a doctor over the phone to see if my symptoms could be caused by some sickness, or parasite. Has anyone else on here noticed their health declining as their bad breath came on? and Have you had bad breath your whole life or did it come on later in life? I'm asking the questions because I'm trying to figure out wether health has anything to do with bad breath.
i think mucus flowing down your throat and into your stomach is not good
ginger65
01-11-2006, 01:42 PM
Luckyhope,
I feel the BB is related to general well being. My BB came at the same time as the reflux and tonsil symptoms. Up till then I had occasional BB like everyone else and I must admit fairly poor oral hygiene and diet from my teens. Since battling with the reflux my oral regimen has improved and apart from the normal problems people face there is no real problem there though the reflux erodes the enamel shockingly. During my time on these boards I have consistently stated that chronic BB is a by product of a medical
problem and that is why it does not stop with good oral hygiene practice.
We must identify the possible source of the problem ...sinuses, gastric, tonsils, reflux to eliminate it and concentrate on re-establishing a proper oral bacterial balance.
Tdonline,
Sounds like your ENT is on the ball. It looks like you have LPR and you need to ask your ENT to move on to the next phase. If you have completed 4-5 months of double dose PPI and no improvement you will need an endoscopy and 24 hr PH monitoring to determine the cause of the reflux and the volume and frequency of it. Nasal congestion is a common by product of LPR as the acid fumes enter the nasal cavity causing inflammation to the membrane and slowing down the cillia movement. This results in PND and an infection then harbours deep in the sinuses. This will only get worse over time and you should address it early on. Your inability to process protein could mean that you are not producing enough hydrochloric acid. I know this sounds crazy but the reflux is not necessarily dependant upon an over production of acid just that the acid you produce is getting through the lower sphincter. Abdominal pains could be gastritis as low acid production allows the bacterium H.Pylori to take hold in the gastic lining leaving it open to acid damage and leaky gut.
This is the dilema faced by sufferers of reflux....the meds reduce the acid production which may make the balance of bacteria in the gut worse. I am really confused and am seeking confirmation as to the volume of Hcl I have.
My hope is that surgery will correct the structural reflux and I can then supplement any acid deficiency I may or may not have.
I feel the BB is related to general well being. My BB came at the same time as the reflux and tonsil symptoms. Up till then I had occasional BB like everyone else and I must admit fairly poor oral hygiene and diet from my teens. Since battling with the reflux my oral regimen has improved and apart from the normal problems people face there is no real problem there though the reflux erodes the enamel shockingly. During my time on these boards I have consistently stated that chronic BB is a by product of a medical
problem and that is why it does not stop with good oral hygiene practice.
We must identify the possible source of the problem ...sinuses, gastric, tonsils, reflux to eliminate it and concentrate on re-establishing a proper oral bacterial balance.
Tdonline,
Sounds like your ENT is on the ball. It looks like you have LPR and you need to ask your ENT to move on to the next phase. If you have completed 4-5 months of double dose PPI and no improvement you will need an endoscopy and 24 hr PH monitoring to determine the cause of the reflux and the volume and frequency of it. Nasal congestion is a common by product of LPR as the acid fumes enter the nasal cavity causing inflammation to the membrane and slowing down the cillia movement. This results in PND and an infection then harbours deep in the sinuses. This will only get worse over time and you should address it early on. Your inability to process protein could mean that you are not producing enough hydrochloric acid. I know this sounds crazy but the reflux is not necessarily dependant upon an over production of acid just that the acid you produce is getting through the lower sphincter. Abdominal pains could be gastritis as low acid production allows the bacterium H.Pylori to take hold in the gastic lining leaving it open to acid damage and leaky gut.
This is the dilema faced by sufferers of reflux....the meds reduce the acid production which may make the balance of bacteria in the gut worse. I am really confused and am seeking confirmation as to the volume of Hcl I have.
My hope is that surgery will correct the structural reflux and I can then supplement any acid deficiency I may or may not have.
luckyhope
01-20-2006, 09:04 PM
I have to say that recently I've been doing something that seems to be really helping with my bb. I have been taking a ton of vitamin suppliments (chlorella, spirulina, etc...)and really taking care of myself because like I have stated before my health has been declining for a while now. Other than that I took a cycle of antibiotics called amoxicillin. While I was taking that I was taking a double dose of a probiotic called culturelle. Right after I finished doing the 10 day cycle of antibiotics I continued taking double doses of the culturelle and started taking double doses of the activ k12( they had a two for one special). I do 2 scoopfuls 2 times a day on the first of the week and the other days I do one scoop 2 times a day. I've seen amazing results and feel great. My results have led me to believe to get rid of the problem you really need to work from the inside out. I didn't change my diet and believe me I eat junk half of the time ok most of the time. The only things I do not put in my body what so ever is alcohol cigarettes and strong spices(garlic, onion, chili, etc...).
Spits32
02-27-2006, 04:45 AM
I feel like the use of over the counter products day in day out with all the toothpaste, tongue scraping, alcohol based mouthwashes, all the pills, peroxide, baking soda, salt, and gum has just created strains of super bacteria that undauntedly defy any and all rememdies known to man. Oh my god my mouth is so incredibly parched as I type this at 3:43 in the am. This is horrendible.
moderator2
02-27-2006, 10:25 AM
Please start a new thread when it is more than a month old.