cartner
12-08-2005, 05:43 PM
Hello,
I have started cardizem SR 90mg twice daily 2 days ago and I feel that it's better than the other Meds I have used before:Norvasc, Zebeta, Cozaar and Atacand. But I feel a little fatigue and a little weakness, of course not compared to the fatigue I had when I was on Atacand and Cozaar. :D
So do you think that because it's dilating blood vessels I have those side effects? maybe it will go away after my body get used to the dilating process?
Thanks,
Michael
I have started cardizem SR 90mg twice daily 2 days ago and I feel that it's better than the other Meds I have used before:Norvasc, Zebeta, Cozaar and Atacand. But I feel a little fatigue and a little weakness, of course not compared to the fatigue I had when I was on Atacand and Cozaar. :D
So do you think that because it's dilating blood vessels I have those side effects? maybe it will go away after my body get used to the dilating process?
Thanks,
Michael
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cartner
12-10-2005, 06:12 PM
I'm still a little fatigue but so far so good :). I noticed that when I drink beer, while i'm on the med, I feel very dizzy. I don't know how that happens.
Thanks,
Michael
Thanks,
Michael
wiredqs
12-10-2005, 09:36 PM
Dizziness and tiredness are side effects of your drug. If they don't go away you could try something else.
cartner
12-11-2005, 06:28 AM
Hello Wiredqs,
So far so good :) but I'm a little worry because I have read that it causes metal disorder which I don't know what it's exactly.
Thanks,
Michael
So far so good :) but I'm a little worry because I have read that it causes metal disorder which I don't know what it's exactly.
Thanks,
Michael
pal7778
12-11-2005, 09:44 AM
Your tolerance to alcohol will be less: It'll be a lot easier to get drunk. A couple of
beers or glasses of wine will give you a very pronounced buzz (that's the dizziness).
More than a single beer or glass of wine will also reduce the effectiveness of the
ccb in controlling your bp. At least all that is my experience.
beers or glasses of wine will give you a very pronounced buzz (that's the dizziness).
More than a single beer or glass of wine will also reduce the effectiveness of the
ccb in controlling your bp. At least all that is my experience.
cartner
12-11-2005, 10:57 AM
Hello Pal7778,
Yes :) you are right. I felt dizzy after the beer for a long time. Anyway, I feel dizzy every once and while but I think that this Med is the best for me so far. Pal are you on that Med??
Thanks,
Michael
Yes :) you are right. I felt dizzy after the beer for a long time. Anyway, I feel dizzy every once and while but I think that this Med is the best for me so far. Pal are you on that Med??
Thanks,
Michael
pal7778
12-11-2005, 01:22 PM
Yes--I'm on the Tiazac version, it works with no side effects worse than getting drunk
one. There are plenty of versions that only have to be taken once a day. You might
switch down the road...
one. There are plenty of versions that only have to be taken once a day. You might
switch down the road...
cartner
12-11-2005, 01:47 PM
Thanks pal but in Egypt we have only Diltiazem and Diltiazem SR which is sold under the brand name Cardizim SR. We have 90mg, 120mg and 180,g only
I think it's the best med I have been on and also it's does effect my sexual ability but who knows I'm only 23 and I don't know what could happen after 20 years but I'm sure it will be better than being off medications :).
Pal what you meant by "it works with no side effects worse than getting drunk
one"? you meant that you feel dizzy all the time? or only when you drink?
Thanks for help
Michael
I think it's the best med I have been on and also it's does effect my sexual ability but who knows I'm only 23 and I don't know what could happen after 20 years but I'm sure it will be better than being off medications :).
Pal what you meant by "it works with no side effects worse than getting drunk
one"? you meant that you feel dizzy all the time? or only when you drink?
Thanks for help
Michael
CASSIEBEL
12-11-2005, 01:53 PM
Mike,
How is you BP doing on diltiazem? I think some of the fatigue and dizziness will go away in a few weeks.
cass
How is you BP doing on diltiazem? I think some of the fatigue and dizziness will go away in a few weeks.
cass
CASSIEBEL
12-11-2005, 01:55 PM
Yes--I'm on the Tiazac version, it works with no side effects worse than getting drunk
one. There are plenty of versions that only have to be taken once a day. You might
switch down the road...
What dose of Tiazac are you taking? I think I'm going to have to increase my dose from 180 to 240 or so.
Cass
one. There are plenty of versions that only have to be taken once a day. You might
switch down the road...
What dose of Tiazac are you taking? I think I'm going to have to increase my dose from 180 to 240 or so.
Cass
cartner
12-11-2005, 02:18 PM
Hello Cass,
My blood pressure responsed very well on it :D. Actually, I got a reading of 110-85 once which was VERY NEW for me :). I hope that the fatigue and dizziness will go away in a few weeks.
Many thanks to you, pal, Lenin and all the other good people who helped me.
Michael
My blood pressure responsed very well on it :D. Actually, I got a reading of 110-85 once which was VERY NEW for me :). I hope that the fatigue and dizziness will go away in a few weeks.
Many thanks to you, pal, Lenin and all the other good people who helped me.
Michael
pal7778
12-11-2005, 04:00 PM
1. The getting drunk side effect only means that you're more alcohol sensitive. If
you don't drink, you're fine.
2. I take 300. I've also taken 240, and the difference is very small. The change
from 180 to 240 was pretty substantial, if I remember correctly (maybe 10-12 on the
systolic). So, Cass, things may max out with the 240, and there's some benefit
and probably (I hope!) little harm in making the change. I probably should drop back to 240. Remember that my bp is really high unmedicated, and weight loss and all that
made only a small dent in it. So I'm unreasonably afraid of messing with a tolerable situation. (I also take avapro, an ARB.)
you don't drink, you're fine.
2. I take 300. I've also taken 240, and the difference is very small. The change
from 180 to 240 was pretty substantial, if I remember correctly (maybe 10-12 on the
systolic). So, Cass, things may max out with the 240, and there's some benefit
and probably (I hope!) little harm in making the change. I probably should drop back to 240. Remember that my bp is really high unmedicated, and weight loss and all that
made only a small dent in it. So I'm unreasonably afraid of messing with a tolerable situation. (I also take avapro, an ARB.)
CASSIEBEL
12-11-2005, 04:55 PM
1. The getting drunk side effect only means that you're more alcohol sensitive. If
you don't drink, you're fine.
2. I take 300. I've also taken 240, and the difference is very small. The change
from 180 to 240 was pretty substantial, if I remember correctly (maybe 10-12 on the
systolic). So, Cass, things may max out with the 240, and there's some benefit
and probably (I hope!) little harm in making the change. I probably should drop back to 240. Remember that my bp is really high unmedicated, and weight loss and all that
made only a small dent in it. So I'm unreasonably afraid of messing with a tolerable situation. (I also take avapro, an ARB.)
Thanks for the info-I take an ACE and diuretic with Tiazac and was getting great readings but I recently weaned off a beta blocker and my BP is starting to creap up from 118 systolic to the 130-140 range. I previously took 240mgs along with the beta blocker and my BP and pulse dropped way low so I was taken off the CCB and that's when my problems started. My BP shot up to around 200/90 every evening and all my doctors kept adding more meds.
I finally got one of them to listen and got back on diltiazem in the form of Tiazac. Then came the problem of the slow pluse and the weaning off atenolol. I'm just a little hesitant to up the Tiazac because it really works well for me and I don't want to go too low. Do you think the ARB has a great effect on your BP or do you get most of your control from Tiazac?
Cass
you don't drink, you're fine.
2. I take 300. I've also taken 240, and the difference is very small. The change
from 180 to 240 was pretty substantial, if I remember correctly (maybe 10-12 on the
systolic). So, Cass, things may max out with the 240, and there's some benefit
and probably (I hope!) little harm in making the change. I probably should drop back to 240. Remember that my bp is really high unmedicated, and weight loss and all that
made only a small dent in it. So I'm unreasonably afraid of messing with a tolerable situation. (I also take avapro, an ARB.)
Thanks for the info-I take an ACE and diuretic with Tiazac and was getting great readings but I recently weaned off a beta blocker and my BP is starting to creap up from 118 systolic to the 130-140 range. I previously took 240mgs along with the beta blocker and my BP and pulse dropped way low so I was taken off the CCB and that's when my problems started. My BP shot up to around 200/90 every evening and all my doctors kept adding more meds.
I finally got one of them to listen and got back on diltiazem in the form of Tiazac. Then came the problem of the slow pluse and the weaning off atenolol. I'm just a little hesitant to up the Tiazac because it really works well for me and I don't want to go too low. Do you think the ARB has a great effect on your BP or do you get most of your control from Tiazac?
Cass
pal7778
12-12-2005, 12:00 AM
The ARB definitely helps some and it's the most benign of the bp medications, and my dr. is of the opinion that somehow the ARB counteracts the dangers of the CCB. And it allegedly works to protect the kidneys and fend off heart enlargement, both concerns for someone who has an unmedicated bp as high as I do. But most of my control is from the tiazac. It
got my pulse below sixty for a very brief period of time. Then I had a major league
anxiety attack that lasted for a couple of months, with accompanying huge bp and pulse spikes. It finally passed (no thanks to Lexapro) but my pulse didn't go all the way back down, although the bp got back almost where it was before. My pulse might get very low again, I think, if I cut out caffeine entirely. But a pulse that low scares me a bit, so I'm happy to regard caffeine as medicinal (although my bp would be lower wo it). Maybe I should recommend either anxiety or caffeine to you? I'm willing to live with bp 130 and pulse
75, rather than bp 120 and pulse 60. Everything I hear about beta blockers is bad,
maybe when you get completely clear of it things will level out for you.
got my pulse below sixty for a very brief period of time. Then I had a major league
anxiety attack that lasted for a couple of months, with accompanying huge bp and pulse spikes. It finally passed (no thanks to Lexapro) but my pulse didn't go all the way back down, although the bp got back almost where it was before. My pulse might get very low again, I think, if I cut out caffeine entirely. But a pulse that low scares me a bit, so I'm happy to regard caffeine as medicinal (although my bp would be lower wo it). Maybe I should recommend either anxiety or caffeine to you? I'm willing to live with bp 130 and pulse
75, rather than bp 120 and pulse 60. Everything I hear about beta blockers is bad,
maybe when you get completely clear of it things will level out for you.
cartner
12-12-2005, 05:39 AM
Hello and thanks all,
Cass I tried Atacand 8 mg and I had many side effects anyway it was controlling my blood pressure 24 hours a day. Now the Cardizim SR is good but after 10 hours or so I found that it's effect is gone and my blood pressure starts to raise a little, anyway I like it.
Pal, I don't undetstand what do you mean? actually I don't drink much, maybe few times each year and I think i'm alcohol sensitive. Anyway, I have dizziness from the Cardizim and I hope that it will go away in few weeks as Cass said :D
Thanks again all,
Michael
Cass I tried Atacand 8 mg and I had many side effects anyway it was controlling my blood pressure 24 hours a day. Now the Cardizim SR is good but after 10 hours or so I found that it's effect is gone and my blood pressure starts to raise a little, anyway I like it.
Pal, I don't undetstand what do you mean? actually I don't drink much, maybe few times each year and I think i'm alcohol sensitive. Anyway, I have dizziness from the Cardizim and I hope that it will go away in few weeks as Cass said :D
Thanks again all,
Michael
CASSIEBEL
12-12-2005, 05:18 PM
The ARB definitely helps some and it's the most benign of the bp medications, and my dr. is of the opinion that somehow the ARB counteracts the dangers of the CCB. And it allegedly works to protect the kidneys and fend off heart enlargement, both concerns for someone who has an unmedicated bp as high as I do. But most of my control is from the tiazac.
My doc is of that same opinion and has me take tha ACE with the Tiazac
It
got my pulse below sixty for a very brief period of time. Then I had a major league
anxiety attack that lasted for a couple of months, with accompanying huge bp and pulse spikes. It finally passed (no thanks to Lexapro) but my pulse didn't go all the way back down, although the bp got back almost where it was before. My pulse might get very low again, I think, if I cut out caffeine entirely. But a pulse that low scares me a bit, so I'm happy to regard caffeine as medicinal (although my bp would be lower wo it). Maybe I should recommend either anxiety or caffeine to you?
I'll take the caffeine and pass on the anxiety. :D Has your anxiety improved? I remember when you were dealing with that and I'm very familiar with both anxiety and panic. I think it can be a most debilitating disorder that is almost imposible to shake
I'm willing to live with bp 130 and pulse
75, rather than bp 120 and pulse 60. Everything I hear about beta blockers is bad,
maybe when you get completely clear of it things will level out for you.
I think you are right. They are very bad drugs to live with and to wean off of. I am so happy to be free of atenolol. When I was on both Tiazac and atenolol my pulse was in the low to mid 40s + extreme fatigue and depression and I believe it contributed to anxiety as well.
I would be satisfied with BP in the 130-140 range but in the evenings it sometimes reaches the 150-160s and that is a bit to high. I'm hoping it will stabilize when my heart gets used to beating with out the beta blocker's help.
Thanks for you help and advice.
Cass
My doc is of that same opinion and has me take tha ACE with the Tiazac
It
got my pulse below sixty for a very brief period of time. Then I had a major league
anxiety attack that lasted for a couple of months, with accompanying huge bp and pulse spikes. It finally passed (no thanks to Lexapro) but my pulse didn't go all the way back down, although the bp got back almost where it was before. My pulse might get very low again, I think, if I cut out caffeine entirely. But a pulse that low scares me a bit, so I'm happy to regard caffeine as medicinal (although my bp would be lower wo it). Maybe I should recommend either anxiety or caffeine to you?
I'll take the caffeine and pass on the anxiety. :D Has your anxiety improved? I remember when you were dealing with that and I'm very familiar with both anxiety and panic. I think it can be a most debilitating disorder that is almost imposible to shake
I'm willing to live with bp 130 and pulse
75, rather than bp 120 and pulse 60. Everything I hear about beta blockers is bad,
maybe when you get completely clear of it things will level out for you.
I think you are right. They are very bad drugs to live with and to wean off of. I am so happy to be free of atenolol. When I was on both Tiazac and atenolol my pulse was in the low to mid 40s + extreme fatigue and depression and I believe it contributed to anxiety as well.
I would be satisfied with BP in the 130-140 range but in the evenings it sometimes reaches the 150-160s and that is a bit to high. I'm hoping it will stabilize when my heart gets used to beating with out the beta blocker's help.
Thanks for you help and advice.
Cass
pal7778
12-12-2005, 05:32 PM
My anxiety has improved, but it's not gone. I hated the Lexapro and liked the Xanax
too much. One day I woke up and it was considerably better. It's really not more complicated than that, although I have the occasional relapse. It's no longer debilitating, although I still can't write much. Thanks for asking. My bp does sometimes float into the 140s, and it's not in the 120s as much as I'd like. The obvious remedy, I think, is more exercise, which I will, as usual, start tomorrow.
Glad to hear the confirmation on the ARB/ACE uses. I think the ACE might do better with the bp, but then there's that cough and all. Avapro may be the one bp medicine that doesn't seem to affect you any more than an aspirin.
too much. One day I woke up and it was considerably better. It's really not more complicated than that, although I have the occasional relapse. It's no longer debilitating, although I still can't write much. Thanks for asking. My bp does sometimes float into the 140s, and it's not in the 120s as much as I'd like. The obvious remedy, I think, is more exercise, which I will, as usual, start tomorrow.
Glad to hear the confirmation on the ARB/ACE uses. I think the ACE might do better with the bp, but then there's that cough and all. Avapro may be the one bp medicine that doesn't seem to affect you any more than an aspirin.
cartner
12-12-2005, 09:20 PM
Hello,
For me cardizem SR slows heart rate to 70, my rate heart without Meds range from 90 to 84 which makes me feel so bad. Though it's different than what I feel while I'm on beta-blockers, I was feeling that I can breath with no problems but with all the other Meds I'm having a problem breathing like other people and I don't know why is that.
Thanks,
Michael
For me cardizem SR slows heart rate to 70, my rate heart without Meds range from 90 to 84 which makes me feel so bad. Though it's different than what I feel while I'm on beta-blockers, I was feeling that I can breath with no problems but with all the other Meds I'm having a problem breathing like other people and I don't know why is that.
Thanks,
Michael