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2cutekids
01-06-2006, 02:59 PM
The baby was insisting on a fried fish sandwich for the last weeks so after dropping ds off at school, I caved in and dd and I went to get one to take home and eat.

I get my food and when I'm leaving and get to my car I see a big black Doberman there looking at me and dd and kinda growling. I'm thinking dont even think about coming near us, I will kick you in the head as hard as I can. (I'm a dog lover, but I have been bitten by a Doberman before, and he gave no warning.) my first thought is for my dd. So I get her in the car and keep my eye out for this dog.. he is kinda not around, then I see the van beside me and there is a little girl, about 4 inside.

The door is wide open, no coat, no shoes and no Mom. I can tell this dog is hers and I can also tell this child has Autism. She was clearly non-verbal and calling out noises. So I get in my car and wait. I don't have much experence with non verbal, but even if you didn't know anything about Autism, you would know there was something not right with this child.

She sat there and flapped a magazine the whole time, unless the dog came back then she would reach for him. So I sat and waited for her Mom and was just about ready to take my chances with the dog and look for her or get the licences plate number and call the cops and she comes out. She sees the dog and is like "OH NO"

A guy with her, who was helping her out, grabbed the dog (I think she was getting food at the same place and perhaps knew them cause she came out the back door)

I rolled my window down and told her that I didn't want to leave until she came out and I figured that the dog was hers. She then telles me that infact her dd does have Autism and she can't balance the dog, and the girl and her shoes and everything else at once.

The dog was NOT a service dog, had no harness on him, but did have his collar and leach still on. (why bring the dog then???) She tells me that the girl can unlock, anything and does it all the time. I'm like OK, as I was pulling out, she lockes the dog and girl back in the van and runs back inside... WTH?????

If I was some fruit case I could have taken that girl and been gone with her ya know... That scares me!! :(

I still should have gotten the license plate number. There was no sticker on the van indicating that the child was Autistic, what if something happened to mom??? Car accident or something?

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bercol1
01-06-2006, 04:03 PM
This is a horrific story. My son is non verbal and my biggest worry is always , What would happen if some nut tried to steal him. being nonverbal I shiver at the thought, he could not shout for help, scream at the abuser or if he was free'd, he could never tell me what happened. It's the stuff of nightmares. How could this parent be so uncaring and down right irrisponsible. We all have a hard time with Autism but at the end of the day, keeping all our children safe should be our main priority.
Then on top of it all she allows her daughter to share the back of the van with a huge dangerous unpredictable dog.
Oh some people, why do they have kids?
Bernadette

sherry092
01-06-2006, 04:27 PM
I had a similar experience a while back. My husband & I were going out to dinner ...alone.. for the first time in a long time.

We were driving through a residential neighborhood, around 7pm and it was raining. I look up and see a little boy (4 or so) running in the middle of the road with a tshirt and a diaper on. Then I see another car coming the other way- I told my husband to stop, hopped out of our car and grabbed the boy. Within minutes I knew he was autistic- non verbal, no eye contact. I'd ask him, is this your house?? And he would say "My house" to every house I pointed to.

We finally decided to knock on a neighbors door, and stumbled upon the nicest family. They had never seen the boy before, and they called the police. The boy was all over the place repeating "Dora Dora", couldn't give his name, then started writing the alphabet backwards, starting w/ Z, all the letters backwards.

The police came, and about 1 an hour later the father drove up. He came in & said "So there you are"- no thank yous, per se, no emotion nothing. The little boy had rotted teeth & smelled of smoke- so did the father.

Apparently the father went out to get dinner & the mother fell asleep. The boy had walked at least a half mile- out of his house, took a left, took a right
up a hill, took another right and headed straight.

I cried knowing that this little boy had to go back to that environment. It just broke my heart. :confused: :confused:

anthonysmom
01-06-2006, 07:39 PM
That is inconceivable to me. What in the world was she doing leaving a child in the car!!!!! I like dogs too, but if you can't handle all of that, duh, you handle your child first, whether they have special needs or not.

MOM23ANGELS
01-06-2006, 07:46 PM
i use to have a neighbor like that. her kids were allowed to roam the neighborhood alone at the age of 3. i couldn't stand it but never said anything to her for fear of a nasty fight. she has moved a few blocks away and continues to allow this to go on. her 4 year old daughter once walked to her aunts house 2 blocks away and rang the wrong doorbell. luckily, the neighbor recognized the little girl and called the mom. these kids have a guardian angels.

geezermom
01-06-2006, 10:43 PM
Okay, we all have one more thing to be thankful for - our sanity - because it sure is apparent there are other parents out there who are just nuts.

All you can figure is maybe the lady with the dog really trusted him and was using him as a babysitter. Maybe watched far too much LASSIE as a child???

And let's hope the wandering boy had been up all night the evening before and the mother, exhausted from no sleep, nodded off while she was rocking him in a chair. The father was so furious with his wife that he was incapable of opening his mouth any further for fear of obscenities popping out.

Maybe? Nope, you're right. I've read somewhere that autistic kids are particularly high on the incidence of parental abuse. You KNOW how challenging it is sometimes...there's subhumans out there that can't hack it and punish their children for things they cannot help. And others are just ambivalent and neglectful. Kiss your kid twice tonight in honor of the kids whose parents won't.

Picali
01-07-2006, 04:02 AM
This kind of thing is what makes me so frustrated by the system - if we, as loving, responsible, caring parents struggle with our kids and getting help for them, what hope is there for these poor little mites whose parents can't/don't take care of themselves, never mind anyone else?

Geezermom, you're absolutely right, this makes us cherish our babies even more.

polyrhythmia
01-12-2006, 07:43 PM
Okay, we all have one more thing to be thankful for - our sanity - because it sure is apparent there are other parents out there who are just nuts.

All you can figure is maybe the lady with the dog really trusted him and was using him as a babysitter. Maybe watched far too much LASSIE as a child???

And let's hope the wandering boy had been up all night the evening before and the mother, exhausted from no sleep, nodded off while she was rocking him in a chair. The father was so furious with his wife that he was incapable of opening his mouth any further for fear of obscenities popping out.

Maybe? Nope, you're right. I've read somewhere that autistic kids are particularly high on the incidence of parental abuse. You KNOW how challenging it is sometimes...there's subhumans out there that can't hack it and punish their children for things they cannot help. And others are just ambivalent and neglectful. Kiss your kid twice tonight in honor of the kids whose parents won't.

I have to wonder if that father does not himself also have autism, even if it is a milder form, as he did not show any social reciprocation when he got the boy back.

geezermom
01-13-2006, 11:17 AM
Wow, Poly Rh! Very astute observation. Seems like once you know about autism you see other's odd or rude behavior in a different light.

Jana2676
01-16-2006, 04:45 AM
WOW, the way some parents act never ceases to amaze me. We are very protective of our kids, especially with one child on the spectrum. It drives me crazy when I see any parent acting in a negelctful way.

Kolby
01-17-2006, 11:01 AM
WOW, the way some parents act never ceases to amaze me. We are very protective of our kids, especially with one child on the spectrum. It drives me crazy when I see any parent acting in a negelctful way.


Goodness me. I still put my 6 year olds shoes on for him. I won't let my kids out of my sight. My 10 year old can't go outside unless she asks me first. And I tell her to only play in the back-yard. And my 4 year old autistic boy doesn't run away, but he might try if we fell asleep or left him in cars.

I believe parents should get a degree in child care.

jeffreys mom
01-18-2006, 04:17 AM
Hi Michelle ( Kolby's Mom)

How are you? I don't post as much as I used to but I think about you and Kolby often. How are things going for him? Reading your post you mentioned you have a daughter age 10. I knew you had the two boys but never realized you had a third child. My goodness you must be one busy woman. How do your six and ten year old feel about Kolby? Do they ever discuss with you how they feel about Kolby being different than they are?
Is there any resentment or jealousy over the attention he requires? My five year old daughter is wonderful with my son but at times lets me know in no uncertain terms that he gets more attention than her. I really feel for her but sometimes I feel so thinly spread. I try to make special time for her and I and do something fun but when it's over she forgets and feels slighted again. I hope this is just a phase that passes. I know I have been extremely preoccupied lately with getting my son school services and I talk about it all the time when she is in ear shot. I don't realize it but she's listening and having her own feelings about why I talk about my son so much. It's tough to be a mom. My husband is supportive but has no idea what it's like because all the demands for attention are for me. I'm ranting ... Sorry

Hope things are well. Talk soon

geezermom
01-19-2006, 12:51 AM
CONFESSION: Ya'll will flip. Here I am "Ms. Snide and Snooty" about those neglectful parents, and guess whose 5yr old escaped from the backyard, disappeared, and was at the edge of the pond when I caught up to him???

I had the boys playing on the backporch Friday when the wind whipped up. Told them I was stepping inside the backdoor to get their sweatshirts...Jack (2 1/2 & typical) hollered, "jack come too!" and followed me in. Cole (5 PDD NOS) stayed with the cars, but we were within 20 feet of each other. I was literally, just inside the door and it was wide open.

While I was yanking the sweatshirt onto Jack and letting him put on his cowboy boots, Cole got off the porch, tiptoed across the yard, slipped through a small smashed part of the back fence (we live in New Orleans...can't get anybody out to do Katrina repairs), and bee-lined it across the golf course to the pond. This all happened in about 90 seconds!

When I stepped back out the door with his sweatshirt, Cole, of course was long gone. Called and called (how many pdd nos 5 year olds actually answer?? exactly!), looked behind the jungle gym, etc. This went on for maybe 20 seconds, then I locked little bro in the house, squeezed through the fence, and starting scanning the golf course.

There, over a little hill, were just the blue shoulders of his shirt and his shiny head of hair...if I had looked in that direction maybe 30 seconds later, I never would've seen him! The hill wouldn't obstructed my view.

Hauled butt, caught him at the water's edge, and spanked HIS butt very calmly, explaining about never going out of the yard alone, blah-blah. Came back to the house and had a mild nervous breakdown. Talked with him and his brother about it again. Husband did too, later.

The next day, I even built a beautiful social story about the @*$%#!! event, read it twice, sent it to school with him, and he tried AGAIN TODAY to escape!! Yes, we have stuff blocking the fence, but he was successful once and apparently is either stubborn (must be my husband's genes) or tenacious (my genes, of course).

You know, maybe getting a guard dog (who can swim!) ain't such a bad idea after all! I'm kidding, of course, but it does go to show you that even responsible parents (I hope I'm one!!) can have runaways.

Watch over your flock!
Ms. Snide and Snooty

2cutekids
01-19-2006, 09:38 AM
They are so fast, that is why I was worried about this girl... she could have figured out how to undo her car seat if she really wanted to. Just because he "HASN'T" doesn't mean she "CAN'T".. ya know.

I have stepped in my house for a jacket also, I like on 2 1/2 acres and I tend to lock them on the back pourch when I have to do that...

Scary, and I'm glad your little one is ok :) Thank GOD!!! :angel:

Kolby
01-19-2006, 11:59 AM
Hi Michelle ( Kolby's Mom)

How are you? I don't post as much as I used to but I think about you and Kolby often. How are things going for him? Reading your post you mentioned you have a daughter age 10. I knew you had the two boys but never realized you had a third child. My goodness you must be one busy woman. How do your six and ten year old feel about Kolby? Do they ever discuss with you how they feel about Kolby being different than they are?
Is there any resentment or jealousy over the attention he requires? My five year old daughter is wonderful with my son but at times lets me know in no uncertain terms that he gets more attention than her. I really feel for her but sometimes I feel so thinly spread. I try to make special time for her and I and do something fun but when it's over she forgets and feels slighted again. I hope this is just a phase that passes. I know I have been extremely preoccupied lately with getting my son school services and I talk about it all the time when she is in ear shot. I don't realize it but she's listening and having her own feelings about why I talk about my son so much. It's tough to be a mom. My husband is supportive but has no idea what it's like because all the demands for attention are for me. I'm ranting ... Sorry

Hope things are well. Talk soon


Hang in there it will get better. Yes, a 10 year old step-daughter. She and the 6 year old get along perfect. It's kind of them against Kolby. Once she is over my 6 year old runs to her. When you have three, they tend to break into groups now and then. Someone always gets left behind. Kolby doesn't get all the attention. My husband gives a lot to our 6 year old. A lot!!! Sometimes, I feel left with Kolby. Dealing with all the other stuff. And my 6 year old does resent me alone. Everything is about Daddy and Mommy isn't anything but the person who lays out his clothes. So maybe we as parents kind of split up the kids in a way. We are working on that. Balancing out the kids more. I even told my 6 year old that my heart hurts when he doesn't want me. He told me he loves me and I think he too is working on our relationship. Gee never thought I'd have relationship problems with my 6 years old. My husband tends to resent Kolby. He is working on that too.

I've told my husband that I want to spend one on one time with my 6 year old. I think it will help if you do the same thing.

Kolby is doing o.k. He keeps passing all his IEP goals. So now we need to update them. But he needs to be able to communicate better. He still doesn't like when you look at him. He still has issues. Currently he is sick with an ear infection. And since he won't take meds, I'm at a loss. He's a smarty though. I kept letting him take sips of water while he was taking his meds and low and behold, he was spitting the meds out in the cup pretending to take a sip. I need Nanny 911. How is Jeffrey doing? Do you see improvement? Like with the potty and speech?

AggieMom
01-19-2006, 06:47 PM
geezermom, don't beat yourself up. My 7yr old is also an escape artist. Ideally we would have our eyes on him 24/7, but we all know that's just not possible. We had to put door AND window alarms on when he was about 4yrs old after a couple of escapes. I know that panic! More recently, he's begun climbing the fence in the backyard- I don't know how he manages not to break anything! So I really have to make sure his 10yr old brother is my "eyes" when I'm not right there, but mostly I just have to watch him all the time. One time my husband and I both ran up and down the ally looking for him and yelling like idiots and he was standing right behind us in the garage! I count my blessings all the time when it comes to that boy!

ThreeBoys
01-20-2006, 03:16 AM
Oh my gosh, I'm not alone!!!

We've just moved to a house w/ a fenced in backyard. I'm in heaven! We WERE on 1.5 acres. I have a 5yr old, a 4 yr old(on the spectrum) and a 9 mo old baby. ALL BOYS. Talk about a freakin' CIRCUS when we went outside to play!!! None of the yard was fenced in, and each neighbor on both sides (also on big properties) had loose dogs. ONE of those dogs was a great dane/pitbull. Pure white , little pinned back ears and HUGE. Mean too. Chase doesn't know any better than to be scared of a huge dog growling at him. What a nightmare. Lord forbid one of the boys fell down crying while the other saw a perfect opportunity to escape...and trying to ask a 5yr old to keep an eye on a 4 yr old who won't listen to ANYBODY while you're changing a poopy diaper...CIRCUS.

I don't even have the energy to tell you what the GROCERY store is like...

geezermom
01-21-2006, 06:25 AM
Does anyone know where Martha Stewart purchased her house-arrest anklet and do they come in toddler sizes?? Glad (and sorry) to hear there are others out there whose kids try to outsmart them!

And as for formerly living next door to the pit bull people, yikes!! I know one frazzled mommy who is probably out there kissing her new fence right now. By the way, you can use bungee cords (in addition to the "locks") on the fence gates to slow the kids down...not full proof, but it'll buy you a couple seconds when one of the inmates makes a break for it while you're breaking up an argument between the other two.

shooks
01-28-2006, 11:06 PM
I have the same problem with my 4 year old .. he has been a escape artist since age two. Any lock on frig stove even the ones that go on door knobs he could break.He has gotten away from us a number of times the worst is when we are at walmart. He has also stole my keys from top of cabinet the very top one , while I was using restroom and found they correct key out of 10 started the car and drove into the house. He was not even scared he was 2 and he was smiling and laughing as I ran outside he said I went wannnnnn boom. Can I do it again. We have moved since then to a house and luckily he doesnt try to run here I think it is because within 3 days of moving his cat got ran over. Maybe he coud understand he could end up the same way if he ran off here. I thought I was alone...Thank God I am not ! I have seriously thought about buying one of those personal locater kits that have the wrist band and locater box for the parent. They sell them in this OT catalog I got the other day. I was thinking it would give me some piece of mind when we have to go out. That is what I am gonna do with some of the tax money. Any one heard of these devices? Jenna





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