brucen32
01-23-2006, 11:50 PM
It is inconvenient for me to have a whey/dextrose shake after working out. I've read on here that energy bars are mostly simple sugars anyways and I was wondering if an energy/protein bar (with the appropriate ratio of carbs:protein) and a say a glass of orange juice would be a good post-workout meal?
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Naxis
01-24-2006, 12:22 AM
What is your goal?
And if your bar has enough carbs and protein, the oj is overkill. OJ also is fructose, and if you're trying to build mass, is going to be less effective than sucrose/dextrose. Fructose is preferred by the liver rather than the muscles, so it replenishes the liver first. If you're just staying fit or even going for weight loss, this isn't a big issue, but it's less helpful if your aim is muscle building.
And if your bar has enough carbs and protein, the oj is overkill. OJ also is fructose, and if you're trying to build mass, is going to be less effective than sucrose/dextrose. Fructose is preferred by the liver rather than the muscles, so it replenishes the liver first. If you're just staying fit or even going for weight loss, this isn't a big issue, but it's less helpful if your aim is muscle building.
brucen32
01-24-2006, 01:00 AM
What is your goal?
And if your bar has enough carbs and protein, the oj is overkill. OJ also is fructose, and if you're trying to build mass, is going to be less effective than sucrose/dextrose. Fructose is preferred by the liver rather than the muscles, so it replenishes the liver first. If you're just staying fit or even going for weight loss, this isn't a big issue, but it's less helpful if your aim is muscle building.
Primary goal is body fat loss and muscle gain is secondary. For fat loss I read 25% protein and ~30 % carb of bodyweight (I think from you). I'm 5'11, 170. Which means 42 g protein and 51 g carb. The protein plus power bar has 24 g protein and 39 g carb. 1 glass of OJ has 27 g carb, for a total of 66 (39+27). So it's a little over on the carb and under on the protein. But I can look for a bar with better ratios. I understand what you say about the fructose in OJ, but is there any other convenient ready made that has the ideal simple carb? Sugar water would be rather boring. Maybe Gatorade?
And if your bar has enough carbs and protein, the oj is overkill. OJ also is fructose, and if you're trying to build mass, is going to be less effective than sucrose/dextrose. Fructose is preferred by the liver rather than the muscles, so it replenishes the liver first. If you're just staying fit or even going for weight loss, this isn't a big issue, but it's less helpful if your aim is muscle building.
Primary goal is body fat loss and muscle gain is secondary. For fat loss I read 25% protein and ~30 % carb of bodyweight (I think from you). I'm 5'11, 170. Which means 42 g protein and 51 g carb. The protein plus power bar has 24 g protein and 39 g carb. 1 glass of OJ has 27 g carb, for a total of 66 (39+27). So it's a little over on the carb and under on the protein. But I can look for a bar with better ratios. I understand what you say about the fructose in OJ, but is there any other convenient ready made that has the ideal simple carb? Sugar water would be rather boring. Maybe Gatorade?
Naxis
01-24-2006, 04:08 PM
Gatorade isn't a bad choice, plus repleninshing electrolytes. The problem is you have conflicting goals, unless you are just starting exercising - in which case you eat for weight loss, but still gain some muscle. You really need to choose fat loss or muscle gain because how and what you eat will change accordingly. For fat loss, OJ is fine. Actually, Naked and Bolthouse Farms "green" juices is even better - more expensive though. Gatorade would be better for bulking/muscle gain phases because getting as close to sugar water as you can will help cause the insulin spike you're looking for.
brucen32
01-25-2006, 12:42 AM
Gatorade isn't a bad choice, plus repleninshing electrolytes. The problem is you have conflicting goals, unless you are just starting exercising - in which case you eat for weight loss, but still gain some muscle. You really need to choose fat loss or muscle gain because how and what you eat will change accordingly. For fat loss, OJ is fine. Actually, Naked and Bolthouse Farms "green" juices is even better - more expensive though. Gatorade would be better for bulking/muscle gain phases because getting as close to sugar water as you can will help cause the insulin spike you're looking for.
Thanks for the input. Actually I have just started exercising again after a very long hiatus. But you're right at some point I will have to decide. I will choose fat loss. I realize I will have to be at a calorie deficit for this, but how will what I eat and how I eat it change?
Thanks for the input. Actually I have just started exercising again after a very long hiatus. But you're right at some point I will have to decide. I will choose fat loss. I realize I will have to be at a calorie deficit for this, but how will what I eat and how I eat it change?
Naxis
01-25-2006, 01:11 AM
This thread is a little broken...
Naxis
01-25-2006, 01:22 AM
Thanks for the input. Actually I have just started exercising again after a very long hiatus. But you're right at some point I will have to decide. I will choose fat loss. I realize I will have to be at a calorie deficit for this, but how will what I eat and how I eat it change?
when bulking you have a little more ... flexibility with diet as a result of higher calorie needs. When dieting, in order to stay at a deficit and still make protein and nutrient needs, you have to be a little more careful, particularly with meal timing to avoid losing muscle.
when bulking you have a little more ... flexibility with diet as a result of higher calorie needs. When dieting, in order to stay at a deficit and still make protein and nutrient needs, you have to be a little more careful, particularly with meal timing to avoid losing muscle.
brucen32
01-25-2006, 01:25 AM
Oh yeah I think you already answered this where for fat loss the post-workout nutrition goes from 25% protein, 50% carb to 25% protein, 30% carb. I guess with the fat loss choice, I will invariably lose some muscle.
Naxis
01-25-2006, 01:35 AM
You can really keep muscle loss minimal though. Not over-doing cardio and keeping diet in check makes a big, big difference. :D
brucen32
01-25-2006, 02:04 PM
Right now after weight training, which is 3 days a week, every other day, I do about 15 min treadmill after weight training and then in the days in between I do about 35 min cardio. You think this is too much?
Naxis
01-25-2006, 03:22 PM
Not at all. That should be just fine.
F.R.O.S.T
01-26-2006, 01:02 AM
It is inconvenient for me to have a whey/dextrose shake after working out.
I don't see how this is possible.
I don't see how this is possible.
brucen32
01-27-2006, 12:47 AM
I don't see how this is possible.
I'm too cheap to buy it and frankly I've never really enjoyed the taste of any shakes I've tried.
I'm too cheap to buy it and frankly I've never really enjoyed the taste of any shakes I've tried.
F.R.O.S.T
01-29-2006, 05:30 AM
I'm too cheap to buy it and frankly I've never really enjoyed the taste of any shakes I've tried.
Fair enough, it's just that those reasons don't mean "inconvienent", hence the misunderstanding.
Fair enough, it's just that those reasons don't mean "inconvienent", hence the misunderstanding.