Replicon
02-02-2006, 01:58 PM
I read that if you consume a fiber supplement before a meal, it can help with weight loss, by helping to make your meal more "time-release", which lowers your blood sugar peek and prevents your body from going into fat storage mode. How true is this? It would be useful to me, since I'm a big fan of sushi, and all that white rice... hehe...
Also, how much (as in, grams of fiber) is recommended before a meal?
Finally, if I try this out, do I need to worry about massive bowel movements and stuff? That's what fiber supplements are commonly used for after all.
thanks!
Also, how much (as in, grams of fiber) is recommended before a meal?
Finally, if I try this out, do I need to worry about massive bowel movements and stuff? That's what fiber supplements are commonly used for after all.
thanks!
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pipermac
02-02-2006, 02:03 PM
If it is a soluble fibre it can help fill you up and make you eat less. As for the Insulin/Fat Storage part...read my insulin Post. Insulin does not work that way....It will only store Calories as fat if you have eaten excess calories...so If you eat a bowl of rice it isnt going to be magically stored as Fat. If that were true there would be alot of Fat asians walking around.
Lenin
02-02-2006, 02:33 PM
I agree heartily with pipermac. Soluble fiber (like psyllium) taken with liquid an hour or two before dinnertime will expand an fill your stomach such that very little food will fill you up.
I defy ANYONE to gain weight on an all-sushi diet. I consider that one of my most conscientious meals and have it as often as my poor pocketbook an bear: sushi isn't among the cheaper dietary choices :D:D!
I'd eat it 7 lunches a week (and 2 dinners) if I could afford it!
Don't believe too much of what you read about the fat-insulin-carbohydrate connection. It's the new FAD and all the diet book purveyors are preaching one or another angle about it...most of it silly nonsense.
Extra calories, whatever the source or whenever eaten, are turned to FAT. Period.
I defy ANYONE to gain weight on an all-sushi diet. I consider that one of my most conscientious meals and have it as often as my poor pocketbook an bear: sushi isn't among the cheaper dietary choices :D:D!
I'd eat it 7 lunches a week (and 2 dinners) if I could afford it!
Don't believe too much of what you read about the fat-insulin-carbohydrate connection. It's the new FAD and all the diet book purveyors are preaching one or another angle about it...most of it silly nonsense.
Extra calories, whatever the source or whenever eaten, are turned to FAT. Period.
shelliam
02-02-2006, 02:35 PM
I could gain weight on sushi. I have a hard time stopping.
justinluck
02-02-2006, 02:36 PM
I drink Citrucel at least once a day. I think it is just naturally good for the body, no matter what your diet is. And no, I don't have 'massive' bowel movements. That made me laugh! LOL
Lenin
02-02-2006, 02:39 PM
Most people take it and PRAY for massive bowel movements! :bouncing:
pipermac
02-02-2006, 02:39 PM
I agree heartily with pipermac. Soluble fiber (like psyllium) taken with liquid an hour or two before dinnertime will expand an fill your stomach such that very little food will fill you up.
I defy ANYONE to gain weight on an all-sushi diet. I consider that one of my most conscientious meals and have it as often as my poor pocketbook an bear: sushi isn't among the cheaper dietary choices :D:D!
I'd eat it 7 lunches a week (and 2 dinners) if I could afford it!
Don't believe too much of what you read about the fat-insulin-carbohydrate connection. It's the new FAD and all the diet purveyors are prattling some bit of nonsense or another about it.
Thank You Lenin! You make very much sense...Please read my Insulin thread and comment...I need more supporters that know the truth! :)
I defy ANYONE to gain weight on an all-sushi diet. I consider that one of my most conscientious meals and have it as often as my poor pocketbook an bear: sushi isn't among the cheaper dietary choices :D:D!
I'd eat it 7 lunches a week (and 2 dinners) if I could afford it!
Don't believe too much of what you read about the fat-insulin-carbohydrate connection. It's the new FAD and all the diet purveyors are prattling some bit of nonsense or another about it.
Thank You Lenin! You make very much sense...Please read my Insulin thread and comment...I need more supporters that know the truth! :)
Replicon
02-02-2006, 03:06 PM
Alrighty, I'll find that insulin thread when I get back from work and read it then. But until then, I guess I could use some clarification as to how this works...
I was always under the impression that the speed at which energy is released into your body is what determines "excess calories". Suppose your body burns a typical 2400 calories a day. Then, let's pretend for simplicity that your metabolism remains constant. That's 100 calories / hour. Isn't the best way to prevent crazy excess to make sure calories are released into your body at a reasonable rate? I.e. if I eat something with decent fiber content, then it will digest slower and the energy will be released from the time I eat it to close to the time of my next meal. On the other hand, if I eat 1000 calories of sugar, that will very quickly be released into the blood. Now, suppose my body absorbs its required 100 calories/hour, then that's still 900 cal's worth of sugar swimming around... wouldn't a large chunk of THAT be stored as fat, since the body has nothing to do with it, but is used to the idea that it won't get any more food until a few hours later, and will therefore try to store it?
I might be way off here. Also, it's possible that said insulin thread answers this question thoroughly, in which case, just link me :).
Thanks again!
I was always under the impression that the speed at which energy is released into your body is what determines "excess calories". Suppose your body burns a typical 2400 calories a day. Then, let's pretend for simplicity that your metabolism remains constant. That's 100 calories / hour. Isn't the best way to prevent crazy excess to make sure calories are released into your body at a reasonable rate? I.e. if I eat something with decent fiber content, then it will digest slower and the energy will be released from the time I eat it to close to the time of my next meal. On the other hand, if I eat 1000 calories of sugar, that will very quickly be released into the blood. Now, suppose my body absorbs its required 100 calories/hour, then that's still 900 cal's worth of sugar swimming around... wouldn't a large chunk of THAT be stored as fat, since the body has nothing to do with it, but is used to the idea that it won't get any more food until a few hours later, and will therefore try to store it?
I might be way off here. Also, it's possible that said insulin thread answers this question thoroughly, in which case, just link me :).
Thanks again!
pipermac
02-02-2006, 03:23 PM
Actually...Your Body Breaks down Food into Glucose. Insulin then Takes the Glucose and uses what it needs for Energy, When no more is needed for energy, it then Stores it in Glycogen. If there is no more room in glycogen It then stores it as fat.
The Average 150lb person Can store 1500 Calories in Glycogen. the heavier you are the more it can store. If you are not eating too many calories your glycogen will never be full....thus you will not store any fat.
The Average 150lb person Can store 1500 Calories in Glycogen. the heavier you are the more it can store. If you are not eating too many calories your glycogen will never be full....thus you will not store any fat.
Replicon
02-02-2006, 03:32 PM
Ah that's interesting, I wasn't aware of that stage :-). Does it stay in glycogen mode indefinitely? So that if you store up to the glycogen limit, you HAVE to work off the glycogen before you can start burning fat?
Also, when you're hungry (not "I'm watching TV and I psychologically need to be eating" hungry, but like... "I'm starved, let's go to lunch before I autodigest" hungry), does that mean your glyco-meter is at empty, or are they unrelated?
Also, when you're hungry (not "I'm watching TV and I psychologically need to be eating" hungry, but like... "I'm starved, let's go to lunch before I autodigest" hungry), does that mean your glyco-meter is at empty, or are they unrelated?
pipermac
02-02-2006, 03:37 PM
Ah that's interesting, I wasn't aware of that stage :-). Does it stay in glycogen mode indefinitely? So that if you store up to the glycogen limit, you HAVE to work off the glycogen before you can start burning fat?
Also, when you're hungry (not "I'm watching TV and I psychologically need to be eating" hungry, but like... "I'm starved, let's go to lunch before I autodigest" hungry), does that mean your glyco-meter is at empty, or are they unrelated?
They are unrelated. Glycogen is just where the body stores Glucose to be used as energy.
Also, when you're hungry (not "I'm watching TV and I psychologically need to be eating" hungry, but like... "I'm starved, let's go to lunch before I autodigest" hungry), does that mean your glyco-meter is at empty, or are they unrelated?
They are unrelated. Glycogen is just where the body stores Glucose to be used as energy.
Replicon
02-02-2006, 05:11 PM
Alrighty thanks. I'll look into that insulin thread tonight. So, final verdict is, only bother with fiber supplement to get that "full" feeling early so I eat less?
pipermac
02-02-2006, 05:17 PM
That is the Best way to look at it.
Be Aware I Believe this to be completely True... From My Insulin thread you will see why (so I dont need to explain it again)
But there are lots of people that dont believe this. This Is primarily because of all the low carb diets that are out there that Push the idea that it is Insulin that makes you fat and that is why their diet is better. Its just a sales/con job by these diets.
Be Aware I Believe this to be completely True... From My Insulin thread you will see why (so I dont need to explain it again)
But there are lots of people that dont believe this. This Is primarily because of all the low carb diets that are out there that Push the idea that it is Insulin that makes you fat and that is why their diet is better. Its just a sales/con job by these diets.
Lenin
02-03-2006, 09:22 AM
Glycogen (well hydrated glucose) stores will stay in the muscles and liver until needed. I usually think in terms of about 2000 calories for the average person (1600 in muscle and 400 in the liver...about a pound of sugar.) An athlete can readily train his body to hold twice that amount.
Since it's 3/4 water a bodybuilder can drop 7 pounds or so by depleting all his glycogen...it's the initial weight drop on a no-carb diet! Glycogen depletion is what long distance runners call "hitting the wall" when they run out of glucose fuel at mile 22 and must force the body to operate on fat metabolism the last 3 miles.
So basically, when you exercise you start using circulating blood glucose, the body has many grams available. But then when the body detects sugar getting low muscles start using glycogen and the liver starts converting it's glycogen back to glucose to replentish the blood's supply...it MUST be maintained for life. All the while some fat is being burned by the heart which LIKES the energy packets torn off fat molecules. Then when glycogen is gone the muscles try to burn fat. Only trained athletes can manage it with great effort...the rest of us fall over in a heap at this stage.
Most of the food you subsequently eat goes into refilling the glycogen stores for next time. Fat is noteworthy in that it is only 10% glycemic (sugar), and thus really can't be turned into anything but energy burned by cardiac muscle or stored fat. Eating a high fat meal won't replace glycogen.
So if you take in fewer calories than you've burned and your fat calories are not more than your heart an burn in a day, say something like a couple hundred calories worth, you won't make any fat but your heart will continue to burn it.
Somebody once said thet "fat burns best in a red hot carbohydrate furnace"...I agree,
Just felt like babbling. :D
Since it's 3/4 water a bodybuilder can drop 7 pounds or so by depleting all his glycogen...it's the initial weight drop on a no-carb diet! Glycogen depletion is what long distance runners call "hitting the wall" when they run out of glucose fuel at mile 22 and must force the body to operate on fat metabolism the last 3 miles.
So basically, when you exercise you start using circulating blood glucose, the body has many grams available. But then when the body detects sugar getting low muscles start using glycogen and the liver starts converting it's glycogen back to glucose to replentish the blood's supply...it MUST be maintained for life. All the while some fat is being burned by the heart which LIKES the energy packets torn off fat molecules. Then when glycogen is gone the muscles try to burn fat. Only trained athletes can manage it with great effort...the rest of us fall over in a heap at this stage.
Most of the food you subsequently eat goes into refilling the glycogen stores for next time. Fat is noteworthy in that it is only 10% glycemic (sugar), and thus really can't be turned into anything but energy burned by cardiac muscle or stored fat. Eating a high fat meal won't replace glycogen.
So if you take in fewer calories than you've burned and your fat calories are not more than your heart an burn in a day, say something like a couple hundred calories worth, you won't make any fat but your heart will continue to burn it.
Somebody once said thet "fat burns best in a red hot carbohydrate furnace"...I agree,
Just felt like babbling. :D
pipermac
02-03-2006, 10:19 AM
Well Said Lenin! It is important for people to know how this works before they go on believing that eating a High Carb meal will be instantly stored as fat!
s1mc7
02-04-2006, 11:55 AM
So if you take in fewer calories than you've burned and your fat calories are not more than your heart an burn in a day, say something like a couple hundred calories worth, you won't make any fat but your heart will continue to burn it.
so are you saying that if your calories in are less than your calories out but the amount of fat calories is more than 200 you can still gain weight??
so are you saying that if your calories in are less than your calories out but the amount of fat calories is more than 200 you can still gain weight??
pipermac
02-04-2006, 12:14 PM
so are you saying that if your calories in are less than your calories out but the amount of fat calories is more than 200 you can still gain weight??
No...because as long as your calories are at a deficit even if it was stored as fat your body would then go to fat to get the energy it need. (At least that is how it works in the most basic terms, from what I understand)
No...because as long as your calories are at a deficit even if it was stored as fat your body would then go to fat to get the energy it need. (At least that is how it works in the most basic terms, from what I understand)