So is soy now deemed not good for you at all? Is soy milk at least good for the calcium?

~Confused

So is soy now deemed not good for you at all? Is soy milk at least good for the calcium?

~Confused

Last I read it is not good for folks with Thyroid problems. Of course a Thyroid problem will mess up your cholesterol, so guess we have to go easy on it. Only problem is, look at just about 80% of the stuff in your cabinets and they list many, many things having soybean oil. Like anything, we just can't win.

I for one have cut back on all soy, when you get older you put weight on easy and you need your thyroid to be working well. Years ago the farmers caught on to a good thing when trying to fatten up the cattle for the market, they found that soy and corn would really fatten them up fast. Our prepared foods all seem to have soy in them some where, either in the form of soy oil or as a filler. I guess if you want soy, because it is your favorite food then OK but for me I never grew up eating soy so I don't really care to have it or feel the need for it. I feel we have become victims of the advertising world. If the sawmills were to say that saw dust would make us lose weight everyone would be running out to buy it and figuring how to use it every day in their diet. Having said that I seem to remember that some up in Canada tried that, saying that it was good fiber like bran. :D

I for one have cut back on all soy, when you get older you put weight on easy and you need your thyroid to be working well. Years ago the farmers caught on to a good thing when trying to fatten up the cattle for the market, they found that soy and corn would really fatten them up fast. Our prepared foods all seem to have soy in them some where, either in the form of soy oil or as a filler. I guess if you want soy, because it is your favorite food then OK but for me I never grew up eating soy so I don't really care to have it or feel the need for it. I feel we have become victims of the advertising world. If the sawmills were to say that saw dust would make us lose weight everyone would be running out to buy it and figuring how to use it every day in their diet. Having said that I seem to remember that some up in Canada tried that, saying that it was good fiber like bran. :D

I know we need fiber, but WOW, sure as heck don't want it that way!!! LOL

Your right though, they force feed most of these animals, so even though we try to stay away from things, we get them in products we don't expect to. Man, talk about a no win situation. Of course they say we can buy organic stuff, but let's be honest, how do we really know if it is or just being fed alot of hype, plus the prices of that stuff is mighty high. Oh well, guess we will just have to muddle along and do our best, and PRAY alot we do the right things. I don't eat or drink soy, but know I am getting it in other stuff anyway, but hopefully it isn't enough to mess things up. Some days I swear, I feel like tossing up my hands and saying..FORGET IT, just eat, drink and be merry, and let nature take it's course!!!

Have a good one, and TTYL..... :wave:

Soy users with thyroid problems WHO ARE TAKING THYROXINE may have to be careful when they eat it...the thyroxine may be less well abosorbed if taken with soy.
Other than that soy is a fine food for those not taking thyroid hormones.

Eat it in good health.

Other scares are brought to you by the people who sell blooody red meat...thay are frightened of losing market share!

Millions of people eat soybeans and drink soymilk and other soy products, including myself. Organic products are best of course. I don't know where the source was that you got the concept that soy is bad for you.

One study in hundreds possibly may have found something to indicate a relationship between soy and a particular disease, but a lot of these studies are sometimes flawed.

I don't know if you can always compare animal reactions with human reactions when discussing soy products. The Japanese were once a healthy nation considering they were not wealthy and they eat large amounts of soy products.

Millions of people eat soybeans and drink soymilk and other soy products, including myself. Organic products are best of course. I don't know where the source was that you got the concept that soy is bad for you.

One study in hundreds possibly may have found something to indicate a relationship between soy and a particular disease, but a lot of these studies are sometimes flawed.


Someone posted an article that was in the Wall St. Journal about soy, plus it was on Good Morning America, about 2 weeks ago. I would have to do a search on here for that post, so if I find it I will repost it. I truthfully just get fed up after awhile with all these studies, as one minute things are good for U, next they aren't. I was never a soy person, so at this point it doesn't affect me one way nor another.

Here is the post about soy by gardeninggal!
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That's what the American Heart Association says after years of testing. It does not help prevent heart disease nor alleviate menopause symptoms. Another case where the soybean Association has sold us a bill of goods. What they don't tell you is that the soybean has isoflavins that can depress thyroid function which can raise cholesterol levels. Also soy has been shown to affect Tyrosine Hydroxylase which in turn causes the rate of dopamine to be profoundly disturbed and depleted levels of dopamine is associated with Parkinson's disease. Soybeans grown here in the U.S. contain residues of the pesticide dieldrin, an organochlorine similar to DDT and expectant mothers who eat soy can affect the fetal brain development. That is why there is so much concern about soy milk as a baby formula substitute. In a major ongoing study involving 3,734 elderly Japanese-American men has shown Tofu shrinks brain and the men tested as though they were 5 years older then they were. The concern was with the brain atrophy. A few other reason's not to eat soy,1. the processing of soy protein results in the formation of toxic lysinoalanine and highly carcinogenic nitrosamines, 2. Free glutamic acid or MSG, a potent neurotoxin is formed during soy food processing and additional amounts are added to many soy foods. 3. Soy foods contain high levels of aluminum which is toxic to the nervous system and the kidneys and may be linked to Alzheimer disease. I for one can leave it alone and do just fine. My own observation in my area is that even the deer will not eat them unless they are starving, they may nibble the green leaf early in Spring but the fields are left alone when the beans develope.

Gotta love Mercola and Weston A Price's (meat lobbyist organization)selective reporting to discredit soy. The two are responsible for more negative internet nonsense about soy then all researchers combined.

JJ if you dig up the study you will find that those defined as High-High and High Tofu eaters lived 2 years LONGER than the Mediums and Lows. Never thought Alzheimer's was supposed to be life-extending.:D
I guess Mercola and Price didn't think this was worrth mentioning in their unending logorrheic diatribe against soy.
Their mantra is MORE MEAT, MORE LARD, MORE DAIRY!

Gotta love Mercola and Weston A Price's (meat lobbyist organization)selective reporting to discredit soy. The two are responsible for more negative internet nonsense about soy then all researchers combined.

JJ if you dig up the study you will find that those defined as High-High and High Tofu eaters lived 2 years LONGER than the Mediums and Lows. Never thought Alzheimer's was supposed to be life-extending.:D
I guess Mercola and Price didn't think this was worrth mentioning in their unending logorrheic diatribe against soy.
Their mantra is MORE MEAT, MORE LARD, MORE DAIRY!

Lenin...I didn't look up the study, as I said, I am not a soy eater except for what I get in my food or drink. A friend of mine took the article to her dr., as she has a Thyroid problem, and the dr. told her to stay away from soy till she looks into it more. As I said, she was also on a very high soy diet last year as part of a weight loss thing and it didn't seem to agree with her, in fact the diet people took her off the program. Beats me what is what, as half these studies I swear are so confusing, they make ya crazy.

I have seen the Mercola website and he does seem to push alot of stuff that I think is like the Atkins diet. I have never done Atkins, and have heard good and bad about it. I'm getting so I believe half of what I read and hear lately, too much hassle, and too many pros and cons. JMHO What is good for one person is not necessarily good for the other.

Enjoy your day..... :wave:

Gotta love Mercola and Weston A Price's (meat lobbyist organization)selective reporting to discredit soy. The two are responsible for more negative internet nonsense about soy then all researchers combined.
I have asked you before where you got this information. You are generally accurate in your information even if we do not agree. But this is total hogwash. Weston Price could not be more anti commercial meat industry. Why do you keep posting this nonsense?


In any event, on the soy issue, even the anti-soy people concede that fermentation negates most of the objectionable elements in soy. Thus one can get benefits from soy eating tempeh, miso, natto. I don't think the comparisons with Asia work very well, because in many areas they are not eating all the soyburger, soy ice cream, soy cheese, other overly-processed phoney soy foods we do.

Aunt Judy,

If you studied the extensive list of the board members and their work you will come to the same conclusion. Spend some time on K-street in Washington and you wiill see what this lobying group is doing. They are adamantly against soy because soy cuts into the bottom line of the people paying their bills and salaries. This isn't rocket science.

And it has no more to do with a long-dead dentist than Carter's little pills had to do with the liver!

Write to them and ask where they get their money...your
eyes will be opened if they respond, but of course they WON'T.

If however, you choose to believe they are sainted, well then it's a matter of religion and you can continue to believe as you do.

You do of course realize that it is an impossiblility to give a thorough proof on a matter like this given the constraints of the bulletin board.

Okay, presuming members of the Weston Price board are lobbyists for the beef industry, that does not make the Weston Price Foundation a lobby for the beef industry. I'm not talking about anybody being sainted. But the fact is that the Weston Price Foundation recommends NOT buying commercially raised beef.

Now we could go wild on beef industry people finding an ally in what the Foundation preaches . . . as far as soy goes . . . etc., etc., but you can do the same with the soy industry, no?

p.s. Well . . . we can list names here can't we? Just not websites. :confused: Or profession? The naturopath or the physician?

Judy, If you read their site, you'll see they claim as one of their functions "lobbying Congress"...in my book that makes them a "lobbyist group." Can it really be plainer.

So when I call them a lobbyist group I'm only repeating what they call themself. Only they are getting quieter and quieter about it as lobbyist is taking on more and more the connotation of briber of Congress.

If you look at the huge board including one of the highest paid lawyers in the United States, you KNOW their budget is well into multi-millions...and someone is picking up the bill.

Sorry, but they don't qualify as a cute little nutrition organization founded by some kindly dentist in the interest of mankind. Cute Norman Rockwell kind of folksiness, but SO innappropriate to this high powered LOBBYIST organization whose members feel the finacial impact of soy on their "bidness" and are using all their clout to counteract it, if clumsily without any facts...just repetition and bought doctor's claims like the Mercola-types with their huge sales emporiums masquerading as information sites.
But still its enough to get people to parrot "won't soy destroy my thyroid and my ovaries?" all over the net.

Lenin, Thanks for taking the time to respond. I do really appreciate it.

You'll get no argument out of me that they lobby . . . not only Congress but local bodies also (perhaps even more so) . . . absolutely. I just don't quite follow where you go from there. That some members of the board might have interests in the meat and dairy industries (or that those industries are contributing money to the Foundation; I'm not sure which or both you are saying), I have no facts to refute. But to assert that Weston Price Foundation is a lobby for the meat and dairy industries? . . . I can't come up with a scenario that makes sense. The Foundation's message is really even more anti-commercial meat and dairy than it is anti-soy (limited fermented soy is okay; but NO commercial meat or dairy is okay EVER).

You're really losing me with your last paragraph. Cutesy nutritional organization? :confused: I thought it was just named after the dentist not founded by him, but who knows, I never attempted to verify one way or another. In any event, do you think the soy interests are lily white?

The Soy industry is far from lily-white. They have very powerful lobbyists in Washington behind them too. ;)

This soy subject comes up from time to time on here, and a lively debate starts up.

I've written a lot about it on here as well as another poster or two.

Just do your homework on it, lots of research, and draw your own conclusions. In my opinion it's not fit for human consumption. BUT...on a positive note: I did recently find a good use for it...Soy Wax!! Makes pretty nice candles, although I wouldn't want to eat one!!

This soy subject comes up from time to time on here, and a lively debate starts up.

I've written a lot about it on here as well as another poster or two.

Just do your homework on it, lots of research, and draw your own conclusions. In my opinion it's not fit for human consumption. BUT...on a positive note: I did recently find a good use for it...Soy Wax!! Makes pretty nice candles, although I wouldn't want to eat one!!

I am not a soy eater, never was, but my question is...how do we avoid eating soy when 90% of the stuff in our fridge and cabinets have soyoil in it? I must have checked 15 items in my house, peanutbutter etc. etc and they all list soybean oil as an ingredient.

I know someone else has posted about this, so I checked stuff in my house. They tell U to read labels, but when so many things have a certain ingredient in it, what are we suppose to do? Ever get the feeling it is a losing battle?

I am not a soy eater, never was, but my question is...how do we avoid eating soy when 90% of the stuff in our fridge and cabinets have soyoil in it? I must have checked 15 items in my house, peanutbutter etc. etc and they all list soybean oil as an ingredient.

I know someone else has posted about this, so I checked stuff in my house. They tell U to read labels, but when so many things have a certain ingredient in it, what are we suppose to do? Ever get the feeling it is a losing battle?

I know what you mean. The stuff is in nearly everything we buy to eat, except fresh foods.
And it's all due to $$$$$$. because it's a CHEAP filler. As long as the public accepts it, that's how long we have to put up with it.

If you really do all the label reading that you need to, grocery shopping would take a couple of hours each visit! :rolleyes:

It's a given that I eat some of it without meaning to or wanting to, but I try my best not to. :eek:

I know what you mean. The stuff is in nearly everything we buy to eat, except fresh foods.
And it's all due to $$$$$$. because it's a CHEAP filler. As long as the public accepts it, that's how long we have to put up with it.

If you really do all the label reading that you need to, grocery shopping would take a couple of hours each visit! :rolleyes:

It's a given that I eat some of it without meaning to or wanting to, but I try my best not to. :eek:


Yup, I hear ya. When I go groc. shopping I want to get in and out as soon as I can, not exactly my idea of a fun day....... ;) I never even thought to look for soybean oil until someone posted about it on here, and sure as heck, when I did, it is everywhere. I just switched recently to Promise health smart spread, as I knew it was one without any trans. fats. Last week I happen to be looking at the label and saw it also had soybean oil in it. A friend of mine who is trying to avoid soy also, due to a Thyroid problem turned me on to the Promise, so when I told her, she was shocked, as she never thought to look either. No wonder everyone is stressed out, these food people are making us NUTS!!!!!!....... :dizzy: :dizzy:

Of course give it 6 months and they will change their minds and tell us it is the best thing since sliced bread. Like I told Arizona and Hubble, I am going to be as careful as I can about my diet, but I am definitely going to get less obsessed with this numbers game, I haven't the energy to deal with it. Hate to say it, but no matter how careful we are, there is something nasty in everything, so eat, drink and be merry...... :)

I need to save my energy for this weekend, as we could get up to 15" of snow, and that shovel will get a workout as well as me.

Take care, stay warm, and ENJOY....... :wave:

Of course give it 6 months and they will change their minds and tell us it is the best thing since sliced bread. Like I told Arizona and Hubble, I am going to be as careful as I can about my diet, but I am definitely going to get less obsessed with this numbers game, I haven't the energy to deal with it. Hate to say it, but no matter how careful we are, there is something nasty in everything, so eat, drink and be merry...... :)

JJ,

It's a Catch-22 - no matter how hard you try, you can't get foods at a regular grocery store that have no trans-fat, soybean oil, and high fructose corn syrup - they've almost all got one or the other - fresh fruits and veggies being the exception of course. If you find one with no trans-fats, it has HFCS. If you find one with no HFCS it has soy oil. If you have one with no soy oil, it has both HFCS and trans-fats :eek: :eek: :eek:

What really gets me is that '0 trans fat' does not mean '0 trans fat'!!! I thought the new labelling law was in effect and they can't claim this anymore unless it is really true (wonder if Jack Abramoff did anything for the trans-fat lobby!!!).

Now I know how Yosarian felt!!!

I agree we should make a good effort, but not become obsessed with our numbers.

Enjoy life a little (I am right now with beer in hand!! :wave: )

Yup - we're going to get a little snow for sure tomorrow. Hope it's not the 15 inches you mentioned, but at least it's not coming on a week day, we don't have to rush to clear the driveway...

TTYL :wave:

HubbleRules
:cool:

JJ,

It's a Catch-22 - no matter how hard you try, you can't get foods at a regular grocery store that have no trans-fat, soybean oil, and high fructose corn syrup - they've almost all got one or the other - fresh fruits and veggies being the exception of course. What gets me is that '0 trans fat' does not mean '0 trans fat'!!! I thought the new labelling law was in effect and they can't claim this anymore unless it is really true (wonder if Jack Abramoff did anything for the trans-fat lobby!!!).

Now I know how Yosarian felt!!!

I agree we should make a good effort, but not become obsessed with our numbers.

Enjoy life a little (I am right now with beer in hand!! :wave: )

Yup - we're going to get a little snow for sure tomorrow. Hope it's not the 15 inches you mentioned, but at least it's not coming on a week day, we don't have to rush to clear the driveway...

TTYL :wave:

HubbleRules
:cool:

AMEN!!! No matter how hard ya try, U seem to run into some fool thing. Bad enough we try to read labels etc. and eat the fresh fruits and veggies, but the prices are outrages. I bought 2 green peppers today to make stuffed ones for the weekend, fool things were 1.99 a lb, so naturally 2 small sized ones costs over 2.00, unreal. At least there is just the 2 of us, I pity the folks with families.

Yup, I obsessed too long over this numbers game, now I will just eat in moderation, read the labels as best I can, and if they sneak something in there, oh well, not much I can do. At 64, I am not about to drive my mind into mush trying to figure this whole thing out, life is WAY too short.

Yup, we have a blizzard warning for late tomorrow nite and early sunday, OH JOY....NOT!!! We really shouldn't complain, as the last few weeks have been so mild, but who needs 15", not me....... :D

U and the family have a good weekend, and maybe we will get lucky and have lil snow. Time for the BEACH BUM life buddy...... :cool:

Enjoy, time for this ole lady to hit the sack... :wave: :yawn: :yawn:

Those who want to take themselves nuts and avoid all the silly internet boogeymen like aspartame, sucralose, soy, white bread, white rice, modified food starch, mono and di-glycerides, MSG, corn syrup, adulterated fructose, food coloring and artificial flavors, nitrates, nitrites, fermented foods (because everone is dying of candida), wheat (because everyone has celiac disease), glycols, and polysorbates, had best have a farm to grow his food on.

Or VERY deep pockets for special free-range this and organic that (assuming you can trust THESE people not to lie for money!) There are people spending $$HUNDREDS$$ for a glass of glacial water that was snow during the last ice age.

Save yourself a lot of angst and the next time you hear an internet yammer that is drumming up business for the next paperback release of yet ANOTHER book about how we are all going to die form yet ANOTHER of these ubiquitous APPROVED food additives, think about the probably reasons behind the "scare"...you'll worry less.

Those who want to take themselves nuts and avoid all the silly internet boogeymen like aspartame, sucralose, soy, white bread, white rice, modified food starch, mono and di-glycerides, MSG, corn syrup, adulterated fructose, food coloring and artificial flavors, nitrates, nitrites, fermented foods (because everone is dying of candida), wheat (because everyone has celiac disease), glycols, and polysorbates, had best have a farm to grow his food on.

Or VERY deep pockets for special free-range this and organic that (assuming you can trust THESE people not to lie for money!) There are people spending $$HUNDREDS$$ for a glass of glacial water that was snow during the last ice age.


Lenin,

Glacial Water sounds absolutely hilarious!!! Sounds like its from the same guy who does Coral Calcium... Maybe he does Glacial Water during the summer, then heads south and digs up coral calcium during the winter months. :D

How can the buyer be sure there aren't ground-up prehistoric bugs or extinct bird guano in that $100 glass of water (assuming, of course, that it really IS from a glacier, and not just regular tap-water or grocery-store branded spring water)?? :D

I guess the old saying 'a fool and his money are easily parted' is still alive and well...

HubbleRules
:cool:

At least beer does not have soy, HFCS, or trans fat in it. :D

I guess this is even a better reason for us all to read labels, but I guess it boils down to priority. Grandparents lived into their 90's eating lard, fats, etc. But they didn't eat all the junk we do today, and not a lot of sugar. They did a lot of physical work. They did not have high cholesterol either.

In fact, my cholesterol was at it's highest when I ate Vegetarian for a year, (eating lots of soy) It came way down when I abandonded it, then later when I ate high protein, low carbs, more veggies, very little sugar, it came way down. :bouncing:

Send some snow down south, would love to see a little for a change. :)

JJ,y

It's a Catch-22 - no matter how hard you try, you can't get foods at a regular grocery store that have no trans-fat, soybean oil, and high fructose corn syrup - they've almost all got one or the other - fresh fruits and veggies being the exception of course. If you find one with no trans-fats, it has HFCS. If you find one with no HFCS it has soy oil. If you have one with no soy oil, it has both HFCS and trans-fats :eek: :eek: :eek:

What really gets me is that '0 trans fat' does not mean '0 trans fat'!!! I thought the new labelling law was in effect and they can't claim this anymore unless it is really true (wonder if Jack Abramoff did anything for the trans-fat lobby!!!).

Now I know how Yosarian felt!!!

I agree we should make a good effort, but not become obsessed with our numbers.

Enjoy life a little (I am right now with beer in hand!! :wave: )

Yup - we're going to get a little snow for sure tomorrow. Hope it's not the 15 inches you mentioned, but at least it's not coming on a week day, we don't have to rush to clear the driveway...

TTYL :wave:

HubbleRules
:cool:

DGO...I agree with ya, these days there is so much fillers being put into our food and drinks, U could drive yourself nuts trying to figure it all out. Like I said, eat in moderation, read labels as best U can, but also LIVE!!!

I see all that bottled water on the shelves and wonder why people buy it. Maybe it is me, but I seriously doubt it is any better then what I get out of my tap water, and God only knows how long it has been on those shelves. Oh well, to each his/her own,

I'll send ya all the snow U want. Maybe if I put a bunch of fans on the lawn I can blow some down your way......... :D My son lives in FL. and he want's some too, so U will have to share.

So far it is a nice quiet and fairly sunny day, guess it is the CALM before the storm. Oh well, we will see how much we get when it is all over and done with. We have been thru many storms, doubt this one will stop us.

Have a good one, and enjoy your day..... :wave:

...how do we avoid eating soy when 90% of the stuff in our fridge and cabinets have soyoil in it? I must have checked 15 items in my house, peanutbutter etc. etc and they all list soybean oil as an ingredient.
And besides soy, there is wheat and corn . . . in some form they are in so many things. And they are among the most common allergens - no boogeymen there. I don't know which came first - maybe they are such common allergens because they are in so many things.

And besides soy, there is wheat and corn . . . in some form they are in so many things. And they are among the most common allergens - no boogeymen there. I don't know which came first - maybe they are such common allergens because they are in so many things.


Yup, no matter what ya get there is some fool filler in it. Like I said, I am just going to eat as carefully as possible, but not going to drive myself wacky trying to avoid all the stuff, as it is almost impossible. Give me the good ole days when things were fresh, now everything is made to have a shelf live for God knows how long, and even our produce doesn't even come from here, plus they feed the animals all sorts of nasty stuff.

Half the studies they do they change their minds six months later anyway, so who really does know the answers? My honest opinion is it is a guessing game for everyone, even the medical folks. Life is WAY too short to try and figure it all out, so just do the best ya can, and hope for the best.

Enjoy your day..... :wave:

I am just going to eat as carefully as possible, but not going to drive myself wacky trying to avoid all the stuff, as it is almost impossible.
Absolutely. Stressing out over everything is worse. What I think is WAY underrated as a health risk is exactly stress.

Yeah, I find I do much better avoiding most wheat, but bake it up in a nice cake and I can deal with that every once in a while!!! :p

So far it is a nice quiet and fairly sunny day, guess it is the CALM before the storm. Oh well, we will see how much we get when it is all over and done with. We have been thru many storms, doubt this one will stop us.

Have a good one, and enjoy your day..... :wave:


It just started snowing here in New Jersey at 2:30. :wave:

Absolutely. Stressing out over everything is worse. What I think is WAY underrated as a health risk is exactly stress.

Yeah, I find I do much better avoiding most wheat, but bake it up in a nice cake and I can deal with that every once in a while!!! :p

My old dr. use to always tell me stress will kill ya, and I think he was right. I'm not much for cakes or goodies, but hey, every once in awhile I certainly like it. 2 weeks ago we went out for a bite to eat, and we usually never have dessert, neither of us are sweet eaters, but I just HAD to have a nice piece of cheescake. LOL Think it was the first piece I have had in 2 years, but like I told my husband...ASK ME IF I CARE!...... :D

I probably won't want another piece for another 2 years, but if I get a craving, I will eat it. They can put that on my tombstone.."JJ ate cheesecake"........... :bouncing:

Oh well, all we can do is our best to eat healthy, but I sure will not deprive myself of little things every so often.

Have a good one, and CYL....... :wave:

WOW...Blizzard on the Hudson as of Sunday morning.

I have a roaster for the oven and DVDs from Neflixx...nobody's moving today!

jj, you and I think so much alike. I, like you am trying to eat right but if I have a dessert once in a while I don't beat myself up over it or feel the least guilty. One thing that I can do that perhaps a lot of our posting friends can't do is my own cooking, being retired I have time. Now I don't live close to a store so I shop once a week and that means planning meals ahead. I have found that from scratch means just that, you take the real vegetable and cook it. My carrots come with the peel on not all peeled and turned to look like little pellets. After you have had fresh carrots cooked who would want the canned ones. One fresh raw carrot is all the Vit. A you need for one day. I make my soups using no chemicals, fillers or hidden soy and then I freeze them in containers for two, great on a cold winter day. Really a person does not have to pay all that extra for packaged convenience food and get all the chemicals and fillers if you are just willing to take the time to cook. Eat colorful food, fresh greens, orange carrots and squash without a lot of salt and sugar and you will be amazed at how good they look and taste. Your food can be your medicine. :wave:

jj, you and I think so much alike. I, like you am trying to eat right but if I have a dessert once in a while I don't beat myself up over it or feel the least guilty. One thing that I can do that perhaps a lot of our posting friends can't do is my own cooking, being retired I have time. Now I don't live close to a store so I shop once a week and that means planning meals ahead. I have found that from scratch means just that, you take the real vegetable and cook it. My carrots come with the peel on not all peeled and turned to look like little pellets. After you have had fresh carrots cooked who would want the canned ones. One fresh raw carrot is all the Vit. A you need for one day. I make my soups using no chemicals, fillers or hidden soy and then I freeze them in containers for two, great on a cold winter day. Really a person does not have to pay all that extra for packaged convenience food and get all the chemicals and fillers if you are just willing to take the time to cook. Eat colorful food, fresh greens, orange carrots and squash without a lot of salt and sugar and you will be amazed at how good they look and taste. Your food can be your medicine. :wave:

Well U do better then I do, have to admit that. I am not a lover of cooking, I would rather scrub floors then cook, sorry, just my way!!! Like I said, no, I refuse to beat myself up over a lil "cheating" once in awhile, but won't indulge in fast foods and junk either. I always make my stews, soups etc. from as much fresh stuff as possible, and when the produce doesn't look good, I buy either canned fruits in lite syrup, or frozen stuff. I love fresh fruits and veggies, but being in New England they are not always in season, so ya just wing it the best U can.

I'm sure there are folks that have to buy the pre packed stuff due to a very crazy schedule, but I think more and more folks are realizing that is not the way to go, as sooner or later it will catch up with you. I know I'm showing my age, but as a kid, we had chickens, and before school we had to go out and get the eggs each morning, and when spring came, we always had a nice garden. Geez, back then U would pick stuff right out of the ground, rinse it off and eat it, plus U had apple and pear trees and always a grapevine, so U knew where everything came from. Half the stuff U get in the stores now are imported stuff, and that doesn't sit well with me. My neighbor next door has a very nice garden each year, and U sure can tell the difference in the veggies compared to the store bought stuff, plus we have roadside stands to get fresh stuff from also. Ahhh, the good ole days..... ;)

Have a good one, and TTYL...... :wave: