ny2125
02-23-2006, 11:51 AM
anyone take this med and experiences? thanks!
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Stumper
02-23-2006, 08:20 PM
anyone take this med and experiences? thanks!
Hi NY,
Yes, I take this at a 10/20.
It gave me angelic numbers ! I haven't felt anything bad from it all all and the Pharmacists, ACTUALLY BOTH Pharmacists..one at Walmart and one at Giant Eagle said they have no reported problems whatsoever of those using it .
Hi NY,
Yes, I take this at a 10/20.
It gave me angelic numbers ! I haven't felt anything bad from it all all and the Pharmacists, ACTUALLY BOTH Pharmacists..one at Walmart and one at Giant Eagle said they have no reported problems whatsoever of those using it .
donsabi
02-26-2006, 09:37 AM
ny2125
Under "Search This Board", right hand side of page do a search on "Vytorin" and you will have a better picture of this medication. For me Vytorin was hell. I suggest you read the posts.
Under "Search This Board", right hand side of page do a search on "Vytorin" and you will have a better picture of this medication. For me Vytorin was hell. I suggest you read the posts.
Dave-K
02-26-2006, 05:17 PM
anyone take this med and experiences? thanks!
After being on the Statin Circuit, Vytorin (I believe 10/20) gave me awesome numbers but my doc wanted to switch me to another (advicore) which brought my numbers right back to where they originally were. My doctor put me on a double dose of Advicore and my numbers still didn't budge.
Needless to say, I now have a new doctor... and am on Vytorin again. My next blood test is the first week of April if you want to stay tuned.
Dave
After being on the Statin Circuit, Vytorin (I believe 10/20) gave me awesome numbers but my doc wanted to switch me to another (advicore) which brought my numbers right back to where they originally were. My doctor put me on a double dose of Advicore and my numbers still didn't budge.
Needless to say, I now have a new doctor... and am on Vytorin again. My next blood test is the first week of April if you want to stay tuned.
Dave
Stumper
02-26-2006, 08:29 PM
After being on the Statin Circuit, Vytorin (I believe 10/20) gave me awesome numbers but my doc wanted to switch me to another (advicore) which brought my numbers right back to where they originally were. My doctor put me on a double dose of Advicore and my numbers still didn't budge.
Needless to say, I now have a new doctor... and am on Vytorin again. My next blood test is the first week of April if you want to stay tuned.
Dave
Dave,
I am very interested in your results on Vytorin. Please keep us posted, hopefully in this thread. :)
One thought on Vytorin....The reason you probably did better is the Zetia portion of Vytorin. It blocks cholesterol in the intestinal tract before your body can even take it up. A novel concept in my mind ! :D
Keep us informed.
Needless to say, I now have a new doctor... and am on Vytorin again. My next blood test is the first week of April if you want to stay tuned.
Dave
Dave,
I am very interested in your results on Vytorin. Please keep us posted, hopefully in this thread. :)
One thought on Vytorin....The reason you probably did better is the Zetia portion of Vytorin. It blocks cholesterol in the intestinal tract before your body can even take it up. A novel concept in my mind ! :D
Keep us informed.
ARIZONA73
02-26-2006, 08:51 PM
There is not enough research out there on herbs...alot of anything is just guesswork, so it is "use at your own risk".
I find it extremely difficult to believe that in this day and age, there is so very little research on herbs. Maybe the doctors in this country are mostly in the dark, but how about other countries, such as China? The Chinese have been using herbs to treat various diseases for over a thousand years. So, if anyone knows anything about herbal medicine, the Chinese most certainly would. I'm sure they must know by now which herbs work, and what they are good for.
I find it extremely difficult to believe that in this day and age, there is so very little research on herbs. Maybe the doctors in this country are mostly in the dark, but how about other countries, such as China? The Chinese have been using herbs to treat various diseases for over a thousand years. So, if anyone knows anything about herbal medicine, the Chinese most certainly would. I'm sure they must know by now which herbs work, and what they are good for.
Stumper
02-26-2006, 09:07 PM
I find it extremely difficult to believe that in this day and age, there is so very little research on herbs. Maybe the doctors in this country are mostly in the dark, but how about other countries, such as China? The Chinese have been using herbs to treat various diseases for over a thousand years. So, if anyone knows anything about herbal medicine, the Chinese most certainly would. I'm sure they must know by now which herbs work, and what they are good for.
I'll agree, the Chinese probably more than anyone know alot of things about herbs, but keep in mind that the Chineses can also make some rediculous claims such as having someone live to be 250 years old ! ...and then they never really bring forth evidence! Or they come up with some sort of great archeological find and only have pictures! Or just look at their hair regrow products made from herbs.
So even there the Chinese can be puzzling.
I'll agree, the Chinese probably more than anyone know alot of things about herbs, but keep in mind that the Chineses can also make some rediculous claims such as having someone live to be 250 years old ! ...and then they never really bring forth evidence! Or they come up with some sort of great archeological find and only have pictures! Or just look at their hair regrow products made from herbs.
So even there the Chinese can be puzzling.
ARIZONA73
02-26-2006, 10:51 PM
I'll agree, the Chinese probably more than anyone know alot of things about herbs, but keep in mind that the Chineses can also make some rediculous claims such as having someone live to be 250 years old ! ...and then they never really bring forth evidence!
I've never heard of such a claim by the Chinese.
I've never heard of such a claim by the Chinese.
Stumper
02-26-2006, 11:11 PM
I've never heard of such a claim by the Chinese.
It DOES exist. I believe that Ripleys reported the so-called "claim". Supposably he lived near "mineral rich mountains", or as I heard the most fertile land in the world.
Li Ching-Yuen was born in 1678 A.D. (Ching Kang Shi 17th Year) in Chyi Jiang Hsien, Szechuan province. Later he immigrated to Kai Hsien, Chen's family field (Chen Jia Charng). He died in 1928 A.D. at the age of 250 years. When he was 71 years old (1749 A.D., Chyan Long 14th Year), he joined the army of provincial Commander-in-Chief Yeuh Jong Chyi. Most of his wives died early, so during the course of his life he married fourteen times.
So you can believe what you wish but the Chinese are good at such claims. But granted, they are good at medicine, look at all the doctors in the U.S. And I think acupuncture is their little pet peeve as well AND it does actually work.
But cholesterol....I don't know. Judging from their restaraunts they may be lacking. :D :D
It DOES exist. I believe that Ripleys reported the so-called "claim". Supposably he lived near "mineral rich mountains", or as I heard the most fertile land in the world.
Li Ching-Yuen was born in 1678 A.D. (Ching Kang Shi 17th Year) in Chyi Jiang Hsien, Szechuan province. Later he immigrated to Kai Hsien, Chen's family field (Chen Jia Charng). He died in 1928 A.D. at the age of 250 years. When he was 71 years old (1749 A.D., Chyan Long 14th Year), he joined the army of provincial Commander-in-Chief Yeuh Jong Chyi. Most of his wives died early, so during the course of his life he married fourteen times.
So you can believe what you wish but the Chinese are good at such claims. But granted, they are good at medicine, look at all the doctors in the U.S. And I think acupuncture is their little pet peeve as well AND it does actually work.
But cholesterol....I don't know. Judging from their restaraunts they may be lacking. :D :D
Lenin
02-28-2006, 09:02 AM
Alas, Man being man there will ALWAYS be something to treat every disease even if that something is totally useless.
Everyone should see the MADNESS OF KING GEORGE when basicallly all they had to look at was urine and feces so doctors made ALL daignoses on the basis of the color and shape of urine and feces.
If all you have is herbs, then there will grow up a cult of high paid "practitioners" who treat with herbs. If all you have is Bleeding then all diseases will be treated by a group of well paid people with razors and leeches.
I see most herbal and "vitamin supplement" treatments for disease in this light...it's treatment by people who can't legally use a prescription pad.
If there is no requirement to show safety and efficacy, in my book that means the "treatments" are not at all likely to be efficacious and might not even be safe!
But rest assured, there will ALWAYS be treatments...after all, isn't arthritis "cured" at least twice a week and cancer probably even MORE frequently?
Pass the copper bracelets, the glucosamine and the tickets to sit in the radium mine! :D:D
Any walk down any Chinatown street will supply you with more "cures" than you can carry home in 5 large shopping bags. And the little old Chiinese lady salesman/doctor/shaman will sound very plausible.
Everyone should see the MADNESS OF KING GEORGE when basicallly all they had to look at was urine and feces so doctors made ALL daignoses on the basis of the color and shape of urine and feces.
If all you have is herbs, then there will grow up a cult of high paid "practitioners" who treat with herbs. If all you have is Bleeding then all diseases will be treated by a group of well paid people with razors and leeches.
I see most herbal and "vitamin supplement" treatments for disease in this light...it's treatment by people who can't legally use a prescription pad.
If there is no requirement to show safety and efficacy, in my book that means the "treatments" are not at all likely to be efficacious and might not even be safe!
But rest assured, there will ALWAYS be treatments...after all, isn't arthritis "cured" at least twice a week and cancer probably even MORE frequently?
Pass the copper bracelets, the glucosamine and the tickets to sit in the radium mine! :D:D
Any walk down any Chinatown street will supply you with more "cures" than you can carry home in 5 large shopping bags. And the little old Chiinese lady salesman/doctor/shaman will sound very plausible.
liverock
02-28-2006, 01:52 PM
The reference to the Madness of King George reminded me of another graphic description of the treatment handed out by 14 of the nation's most eminent doctors attending the demise of King Charles the Second, in 1685, which historians now consider to be a stroke.
".......the king was bled to the extent of a pint from a vein in his right arm. Next his shoulder was cut into and the incised area was sucked to suck out an additional eight ounces of blood. An emetic and a purgative were administered followed by a second purgative followed by an enema containing antimoney, sacred bitters, rock salt, mallow leaves, violets, beetroots, comolile flowers, fennel seed,, linseed,cinnamon, cardamom seed,, saphron, cochineal and aloes.
The Kings scalp was shaved and a blister raised. A sneezing powder of hellebore was administered. A plaster of burgundy pitch and pigeon dung was applied to the feet. Medicants included melon seeds,manna, slippery elm, black cherry water, lime flowers, lily of the valley, peony, lavender and dissolved pearls. As he grew worse, forty drops of extract of human skull were administered followed by a rallying dose of Raleigh's antidote. Finally bezoar stone was given.
Curiously His Majesty's strengh seemed to wane after all these heroic interventions and as the end of life seemed imminent, his doctors tried a last ditch attempt by forcing more Raleigh's mixture, pearl julep and ammonia down the dying King's throat. Further treatment was rendered more difficult by the King's death......."
BTW .. A bezoar was either a gallstone found in the stomach of a goat or the crystallized tears of a deer bitten by a snake.
Aren't you glad you were born over 200 years later? :D :D .... :wave:
".......the king was bled to the extent of a pint from a vein in his right arm. Next his shoulder was cut into and the incised area was sucked to suck out an additional eight ounces of blood. An emetic and a purgative were administered followed by a second purgative followed by an enema containing antimoney, sacred bitters, rock salt, mallow leaves, violets, beetroots, comolile flowers, fennel seed,, linseed,cinnamon, cardamom seed,, saphron, cochineal and aloes.
The Kings scalp was shaved and a blister raised. A sneezing powder of hellebore was administered. A plaster of burgundy pitch and pigeon dung was applied to the feet. Medicants included melon seeds,manna, slippery elm, black cherry water, lime flowers, lily of the valley, peony, lavender and dissolved pearls. As he grew worse, forty drops of extract of human skull were administered followed by a rallying dose of Raleigh's antidote. Finally bezoar stone was given.
Curiously His Majesty's strengh seemed to wane after all these heroic interventions and as the end of life seemed imminent, his doctors tried a last ditch attempt by forcing more Raleigh's mixture, pearl julep and ammonia down the dying King's throat. Further treatment was rendered more difficult by the King's death......."
BTW .. A bezoar was either a gallstone found in the stomach of a goat or the crystallized tears of a deer bitten by a snake.
Aren't you glad you were born over 200 years later? :D :D .... :wave:
Lenin
02-28-2006, 05:36 PM
liverock,
I think they killed George Washington in a similar way by bleeding him...many medical historians think he might very well have recovered but for the doctors.
My favorite line was:
"Further treatment was rendered more difficult by the King's death... Probably one of the doctors was heard to utter "I guess we'd better stop billing now."
I think they killed George Washington in a similar way by bleeding him...many medical historians think he might very well have recovered but for the doctors.
My favorite line was:
"Further treatment was rendered more difficult by the King's death... Probably one of the doctors was heard to utter "I guess we'd better stop billing now."
ARIZONA73
02-28-2006, 07:03 PM
Aren't you glad you were born over 200 years later? :D :D .... :wave:
Yes, and 200 years from now people will be looking back on the way medicine is being practiced today, and they'll all be saying, "Wow, aren't we lucky we didn't live back in those days, and have to take all of those horrible drugs which didn't cure anything?"
Yes, and 200 years from now people will be looking back on the way medicine is being practiced today, and they'll all be saying, "Wow, aren't we lucky we didn't live back in those days, and have to take all of those horrible drugs which didn't cure anything?"
Stumper
02-28-2006, 08:19 PM
Yes, and 200 years from now people will be looking back on the way medicine is being practiced today, and they'll all be saying, "Wow, aren't we lucky we didn't live back in those days, and have to take all of those horrible drugs which didn't cure anything?"
Arizona,
What exactly is this great cure that will occur 200 years from now ? I'll guarantee you it will not be coming from the supplement industry. :D
Arizona,
What exactly is this great cure that will occur 200 years from now ? I'll guarantee you it will not be coming from the supplement industry. :D
HubbleRules
02-28-2006, 08:59 PM
Alas, Man being man there will ALWAYS be something to treat every disease even if that something is totally useless.
Everyone should see the MADNESS OF KING GEORGE when basicallly all they had to look at was urine and feces so doctors made ALL daignoses on the basis of the color and shape of urine and feces.
If all you have is herbs, then there will grow up a cult of high paid "practitioners" who treat with herbs. If all you have is Bleeding then all diseases will be treated by a group of well paid people with razors and leeches.
I see most herbal and "vitamin supplement" treatments for disease in this light...it's treatment by people who can't legally use a prescription pad.
If there is no requirement to show safety and efficacy, in my book that means the "treatments" are not at all likely to be efficacious and might not even be safe!
But rest assured, there will ALWAYS be treatments...after all, isn't arthritis "cured" at least twice a week and cancer probably even MORE frequently?
Pass the copper bracelets, the glucosamine and the tickets to sit in the radium mine! :D:D
Any walk down any Chinatown street will supply you with more "cures" than you can carry home in 5 large shopping bags. And the little old Chiinese lady salesman/doctor/shaman will sound very plausible.
Lenin,
I really don't think the picture is as simple as 'All Supplements are Bad' and 'All Drugs are good' (or Visa Versa). The truth about how to prevent or treat heart disease lies somewhere in the middle.
There are good and bad supplements, good and bad prescription drugs.
And both can be prescribed for the wrong reason and do harm..
I will grant you that prescription drugs are far more reliable delivering the results they claim to... Supplements have a much poorer track record in delivering what their marketers claim about them. Supplements are a 'buyer beware' area where 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is' carries a lot of weight.
I think the ideal course of action is one that combines prescription meds with appropriate supplements. However, some cannot take one or the other due to side-effects - and therefore have to alter their treatment by using the 'next best' alternatives.
And don't underestimate the benefits of regular cardio-vascular exercise, and a prudent diet...
HubbleRules
:cool:
Everyone should see the MADNESS OF KING GEORGE when basicallly all they had to look at was urine and feces so doctors made ALL daignoses on the basis of the color and shape of urine and feces.
If all you have is herbs, then there will grow up a cult of high paid "practitioners" who treat with herbs. If all you have is Bleeding then all diseases will be treated by a group of well paid people with razors and leeches.
I see most herbal and "vitamin supplement" treatments for disease in this light...it's treatment by people who can't legally use a prescription pad.
If there is no requirement to show safety and efficacy, in my book that means the "treatments" are not at all likely to be efficacious and might not even be safe!
But rest assured, there will ALWAYS be treatments...after all, isn't arthritis "cured" at least twice a week and cancer probably even MORE frequently?
Pass the copper bracelets, the glucosamine and the tickets to sit in the radium mine! :D:D
Any walk down any Chinatown street will supply you with more "cures" than you can carry home in 5 large shopping bags. And the little old Chiinese lady salesman/doctor/shaman will sound very plausible.
Lenin,
I really don't think the picture is as simple as 'All Supplements are Bad' and 'All Drugs are good' (or Visa Versa). The truth about how to prevent or treat heart disease lies somewhere in the middle.
There are good and bad supplements, good and bad prescription drugs.
And both can be prescribed for the wrong reason and do harm..
I will grant you that prescription drugs are far more reliable delivering the results they claim to... Supplements have a much poorer track record in delivering what their marketers claim about them. Supplements are a 'buyer beware' area where 'if it sounds too good to be true, it probably is' carries a lot of weight.
I think the ideal course of action is one that combines prescription meds with appropriate supplements. However, some cannot take one or the other due to side-effects - and therefore have to alter their treatment by using the 'next best' alternatives.
And don't underestimate the benefits of regular cardio-vascular exercise, and a prudent diet...
HubbleRules
:cool:
ARIZONA73
02-28-2006, 09:07 PM
Arizona,
What exactly is this great cure that will occur 200 years from now ? I'll guarantee you it will not be coming from the supplement industry. :D
My point is simply that in 200 years today's medicine will appear just as archaic as did 200 years ago. And who knows, maybe in the meantime we'll actually learn something about nutrition and how to use it to our advantage.
What exactly is this great cure that will occur 200 years from now ? I'll guarantee you it will not be coming from the supplement industry. :D
My point is simply that in 200 years today's medicine will appear just as archaic as did 200 years ago. And who knows, maybe in the meantime we'll actually learn something about nutrition and how to use it to our advantage.
Stumper
02-28-2006, 09:16 PM
My point is simply that in 200 years today's medicine will appear just as archaic as did 200 years ago. And who knows, maybe in the meantime we'll actually learn something about nutrition and how to use it to our advantage.
O.K., I'll agree.
But in the present it is all we have and thank God we have it. If we did not have it I would shudder to think of what might happen.
I have an old cemetary across the road from me and MANY of those in it are only in their 30's. Some going back...way back...very early 1800's, maybe even later. A number of small children as well.
O.K., I'll agree.
But in the present it is all we have and thank God we have it. If we did not have it I would shudder to think of what might happen.
I have an old cemetary across the road from me and MANY of those in it are only in their 30's. Some going back...way back...very early 1800's, maybe even later. A number of small children as well.
NHone
02-28-2006, 11:07 PM
Arizona,
What exactly is this great cure that will occur 200 years from now ? I'll guarantee you it will not be coming from the supplement industry. :D
Again you psychic ability amazes me. Do you have any idea the origin of aspirin, or taxol for cancer or many of the numerous drugs on the market today?
What exactly is this great cure that will occur 200 years from now ? I'll guarantee you it will not be coming from the supplement industry. :D
Again you psychic ability amazes me. Do you have any idea the origin of aspirin, or taxol for cancer or many of the numerous drugs on the market today?
ARIZONA73
02-28-2006, 11:36 PM
O.K., I'll agree.
But in the present it is all we have and thank God we have it. If we did not have it I would shudder to think of what might happen.
I have an old cemetary across the road from me and MANY of those in it are only in their 30's. Some going back...way back...very early 1800's, maybe even later. A number of small children as well.
Well, I think you'll notice that in practically every cemetary, if you're looking for it. Many people die young, from whatever cause. But you're right, we are better off in terms of medical care. But we've got a long way to go, and it's a shame that we haven't paid more attention to nutrition, and even the value of dietary supplements in the prevention and treatment of disease. If used properly, accordingly to individual needs, I believe that much can be accomplished. And, in 200 years, perhaps it won't be necessary to be on a lifelong regimen of drugs to simply control an incurable condition. Perhaps by then we'll finally have some answers, and will be able to actually cure many of these chronic, degenerative diseases that inflict mankind. For one thing, statins will certainly be a thing of the past, and laughed at by future generations, as well as many other maintenance drugs. In 200 years, I'm sure that we will be able to prevent or cure many of our present day maladies. And people will say to themselves, "Boy, I'm sure happy I didn't live back in those dark times."
But in the present it is all we have and thank God we have it. If we did not have it I would shudder to think of what might happen.
I have an old cemetary across the road from me and MANY of those in it are only in their 30's. Some going back...way back...very early 1800's, maybe even later. A number of small children as well.
Well, I think you'll notice that in practically every cemetary, if you're looking for it. Many people die young, from whatever cause. But you're right, we are better off in terms of medical care. But we've got a long way to go, and it's a shame that we haven't paid more attention to nutrition, and even the value of dietary supplements in the prevention and treatment of disease. If used properly, accordingly to individual needs, I believe that much can be accomplished. And, in 200 years, perhaps it won't be necessary to be on a lifelong regimen of drugs to simply control an incurable condition. Perhaps by then we'll finally have some answers, and will be able to actually cure many of these chronic, degenerative diseases that inflict mankind. For one thing, statins will certainly be a thing of the past, and laughed at by future generations, as well as many other maintenance drugs. In 200 years, I'm sure that we will be able to prevent or cure many of our present day maladies. And people will say to themselves, "Boy, I'm sure happy I didn't live back in those dark times."
NHone
02-28-2006, 11:50 PM
Lots of drugs including aspirin are made from natural products also some drugs are made from snake venom. But the natural ingredients are not the only ingredients, they're some of the ingredients made a lot stronger along with other stuff. Valium has Valerian Root, but Valerian Root alone isn't nearly as podent as Valium is. Some hormone pills are made from the ovaries of a cow, Yuk!
I'm glad you knew that. Aspirin was originally created from the bark of the white willow tree. Taxol, was from the bark of the yew tree. The active ingredients were identified and then a synthetic version was created. What good does that do? You cannot patent a natural product. However, the synthetic equivalent can be. Drug companies see there is no money in natural products, only their synthetic versions. ANd you're right some of these are much more potent. Only a couple drawbacks with the synthetic version. First, You can develop an immunity to synthetic versions, that you would not with the natural version. And second, the natural version contains many more parts than the synthetic. They have only identified the active part that they want for a certain medication. Kind of like picking the cherries out of a pie and throwing the rest away. Usually natural products have all of their parts working together...not just one part.
I'm glad you knew that. Aspirin was originally created from the bark of the white willow tree. Taxol, was from the bark of the yew tree. The active ingredients were identified and then a synthetic version was created. What good does that do? You cannot patent a natural product. However, the synthetic equivalent can be. Drug companies see there is no money in natural products, only their synthetic versions. ANd you're right some of these are much more potent. Only a couple drawbacks with the synthetic version. First, You can develop an immunity to synthetic versions, that you would not with the natural version. And second, the natural version contains many more parts than the synthetic. They have only identified the active part that they want for a certain medication. Kind of like picking the cherries out of a pie and throwing the rest away. Usually natural products have all of their parts working together...not just one part.