darock_sayz
03-12-2006, 08:36 PM
Wanted to know if this could be a side effect of a statin - Zocar. Sometimes I am waking up and my hands are num and feel weak. COuld this be a side effect or am I perhaps just sleeping on them and being paranoid ?
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Stumper
03-12-2006, 09:02 PM
If ALL you have is numb hands?
Your just sleeping on them or have a pinched nerve. I used to wake up thinking I had no hands at all from sleeping on them LONG before I ever took a Statin.
Your just sleeping on them or have a pinched nerve. I used to wake up thinking I had no hands at all from sleeping on them LONG before I ever took a Statin.
darock_sayz
03-23-2006, 08:09 PM
Off zocar for 2 weeks...no pain in hands :wave:
JJ
03-23-2006, 08:22 PM
Off zocar for 2 weeks...no pain in hands :wave:
Glad U got to the bottom of it, many folks have side effects, others do fine. Just be glad U found that particular drug doesn't agree with you now before U kept on with it.
Glad U got to the bottom of it, many folks have side effects, others do fine. Just be glad U found that particular drug doesn't agree with you now before U kept on with it.
JJ
03-23-2006, 09:23 PM
..maybe what he was describing was like what hubby has. Although he has PN, which is basically numbness, it also throbs and causes pain. I guess the only way I can describe it is like when your hand or leg falls asleep, although it is "numb", it hurts too. I know I had a pinched nerve in my neck many years ago, and although it was sort of numb, it hurt like crazy at times. Just my guess, I could be wrong....... :wave:
ARIZONA73
03-23-2006, 09:27 PM
Off zocar for 2 weeks...no pain in hands :wave:
Pain in the hands? Hmm, well I suppose just about anything is possible with these drugs. By now, the list of side-effects must be long enough to paper the bathroom walls.
Pain in the hands? Hmm, well I suppose just about anything is possible with these drugs. By now, the list of side-effects must be long enough to paper the bathroom walls.
JJ
03-23-2006, 09:40 PM
I didn't know any other way to describe it, I'm not all that great with big words. LOL Oh well, guess U got what I was trying to say, even if my description was a bit weird.
I have 4 crushed vertabreas, 2 in the lower back and 2 in the neck, and like U, they will be nice for a long time, but when they kick up, OH BOY, not fun. U don't even have to do anything really out of the ordinary, they just "pop" when they feel like it. One dr. wanted to do an operation, said he could give me a whole new "plastic" type spine. I asked him if I had a plastic spine, would I melt if I went out and laid in the sun...... :D Guy had NO sense of humor, as he gave me a dirty look. Sheesh, lighten up drs.
Have a good evening, and TTYL..... :wave:
I have 4 crushed vertabreas, 2 in the lower back and 2 in the neck, and like U, they will be nice for a long time, but when they kick up, OH BOY, not fun. U don't even have to do anything really out of the ordinary, they just "pop" when they feel like it. One dr. wanted to do an operation, said he could give me a whole new "plastic" type spine. I asked him if I had a plastic spine, would I melt if I went out and laid in the sun...... :D Guy had NO sense of humor, as he gave me a dirty look. Sheesh, lighten up drs.
Have a good evening, and TTYL..... :wave:
JJ
03-23-2006, 09:49 PM
Pain in the hands? Hmm, well I suppose just about anything is possible with these drugs. By now, the list of side-effects must be long enough to paper the bathroom walls.
That was one of hubby's big problems, his hands hurt so bad, he had to excuse himself at times for not shaking hands with someone. If someone grabbed his hands tightly, he would see stars, and yes, dr. said it was arthritis. Seems weird all that "arthritis" has left since he stopped statins.
Oh sure, he has a lil arthritis, mostly in his elbows, but nothing compared to what he had on Lipitor. BTW, has your dad talked with the dr. about that test for his legs? I know last time I talked with you they were thinking of doing it. My brain has been sort of on hold, so forgive me for not remembering alot of things till now.
That was one of hubby's big problems, his hands hurt so bad, he had to excuse himself at times for not shaking hands with someone. If someone grabbed his hands tightly, he would see stars, and yes, dr. said it was arthritis. Seems weird all that "arthritis" has left since he stopped statins.
Oh sure, he has a lil arthritis, mostly in his elbows, but nothing compared to what he had on Lipitor. BTW, has your dad talked with the dr. about that test for his legs? I know last time I talked with you they were thinking of doing it. My brain has been sort of on hold, so forgive me for not remembering alot of things till now.
vipergg22
03-23-2006, 10:20 PM
If you have never had peripheral neuropathy it is very possible to have both severe numbness and pain to go along with it . Been dealing with this in both feet since 1998 when I took lipitor for 2 years . It never resolved itself after stopping the drug because it left permanent nerve damage because I took statins like 3 years after the PN started .
JJ
03-23-2006, 10:49 PM
If you have never had peripheral neuropathy it is very possible to have both severe numbness and pain to go along with it . Been dealing with this in both feet since 1998 when I took lipitor for 2 years . It never resolved itself after stopping the drug because it left permanent nerve damage because I took statins like 3 years after the PN started .
Vipper, I know U and hubby have that PN, has the dr. given U anything for it? Right now his dr. has him on Darvocet so he can sleep at nite, as that is when it really acts up. Like U said, although he has severe numbness, he also has the throbing pain, so I know what your going thru. I can tell when it is really acting up, as he jerks his feet and legs when sleeping, as many times I have gotten kicked.
When he was in the hospital a couple of weeks ago, they forgot to put the Darvocet on his bedtime schedule, and he had to remind them the first 2 nites, as he couldn't get to sleep to save his life. His is spreading to his hands now, so trust me, I feel for both of you.
Vipper, I know U and hubby have that PN, has the dr. given U anything for it? Right now his dr. has him on Darvocet so he can sleep at nite, as that is when it really acts up. Like U said, although he has severe numbness, he also has the throbing pain, so I know what your going thru. I can tell when it is really acting up, as he jerks his feet and legs when sleeping, as many times I have gotten kicked.
When he was in the hospital a couple of weeks ago, they forgot to put the Darvocet on his bedtime schedule, and he had to remind them the first 2 nites, as he couldn't get to sleep to save his life. His is spreading to his hands now, so trust me, I feel for both of you.
ARIZONA73
03-23-2006, 11:19 PM
BTW, has your dad talked with the dr. about that test for his legs? I know last time I talked with you they were thinking of doing it. My brain has been sort of on hold, so forgive me for not remembering alot of things till now.
Yes, my father is going in on Monday for an angiogram to determine where the blockages are. I just hope that when they discover just where it is that they will be able to clear it. I hope that they just don't leave it at that and make him make another appointment.
Oh, the stupid things people have to go through just to get something done! First, he had to go to the hospital (with a doctor's prescription) for a blood test. And tomorrow he has to visit his primary care physician in order to get an okay to go ahead with the procedure! Come one, give us a break! He just saw his primary care physician a couple of weeks ago! What's he gonna do, just sit there and stare at him, and then tell him okay? A simple phone call is just as good. After all, he had already visited the vascular surgeon, who is going to do the procedure! I'm sorry, but all of this nonsense is just plain stupid, and a complete waste of money! No wonder our insurance companies are driven to the brink of bankruptcy, and we are all forced to pay astronomical healthcare costs!
Yes, my father is going in on Monday for an angiogram to determine where the blockages are. I just hope that when they discover just where it is that they will be able to clear it. I hope that they just don't leave it at that and make him make another appointment.
Oh, the stupid things people have to go through just to get something done! First, he had to go to the hospital (with a doctor's prescription) for a blood test. And tomorrow he has to visit his primary care physician in order to get an okay to go ahead with the procedure! Come one, give us a break! He just saw his primary care physician a couple of weeks ago! What's he gonna do, just sit there and stare at him, and then tell him okay? A simple phone call is just as good. After all, he had already visited the vascular surgeon, who is going to do the procedure! I'm sorry, but all of this nonsense is just plain stupid, and a complete waste of money! No wonder our insurance companies are driven to the brink of bankruptcy, and we are all forced to pay astronomical healthcare costs!
JJ
03-24-2006, 12:04 AM
Yes, my father is going in on Monday for an angiogram to determine where the blockages are. I just hope that when they discover just where it is that they will be able to clear it. I hope that they just don't leave it at that and make him make another appointment.
Oh, the stupid things people have to go through just to get something done! First, he had to go to the hospital (with a doctor's prescription) for a blood test. And tomorrow he has to visit his primary care physician in order to get an okay to go ahead with the procedure! Come one, give us a break! He just saw his primary care physician a couple of weeks ago! What's he gonna do, just sit there and stare at him, and then tell him okay? A simple phone call is just as good. After all, he had already visited the vascular surgeon, who is going to do the procedure! I'm sorry, but all of this nonsense is just plain stupid, and a complete waste of money! No wonder our insurance companies are driven to the brink of bankruptcy, and we are all forced to pay astronomical healthcare costs!
Well I hope they are able to do something, and yes, all the running back and forth is stupid. Like U said, if he just saw his PCP why can't he just fax over an ok? When I had to have my colonoscopy, my PCP faxed over my bloodwork before I saw the GI guy, so all I had to do was go over the procedure with him, as what to expect, pick out where I wanted it done, and that was that. Good grief, talk about a complete runaround.
Keep me posted how it goes, as like I said, my brain has taken a leave of absence lately. Here is wishing all of U the VERY best...... :wave:
Oh, the stupid things people have to go through just to get something done! First, he had to go to the hospital (with a doctor's prescription) for a blood test. And tomorrow he has to visit his primary care physician in order to get an okay to go ahead with the procedure! Come one, give us a break! He just saw his primary care physician a couple of weeks ago! What's he gonna do, just sit there and stare at him, and then tell him okay? A simple phone call is just as good. After all, he had already visited the vascular surgeon, who is going to do the procedure! I'm sorry, but all of this nonsense is just plain stupid, and a complete waste of money! No wonder our insurance companies are driven to the brink of bankruptcy, and we are all forced to pay astronomical healthcare costs!
Well I hope they are able to do something, and yes, all the running back and forth is stupid. Like U said, if he just saw his PCP why can't he just fax over an ok? When I had to have my colonoscopy, my PCP faxed over my bloodwork before I saw the GI guy, so all I had to do was go over the procedure with him, as what to expect, pick out where I wanted it done, and that was that. Good grief, talk about a complete runaround.
Keep me posted how it goes, as like I said, my brain has taken a leave of absence lately. Here is wishing all of U the VERY best...... :wave:
darock_sayz
03-24-2006, 05:44 PM
Sorry, I should be more clear in my posts...
Certain times at night I would wake up and find my hands numb (not hurting) but basically falling asleep. I had asked my doc and he said I was probably sleeping on my hands....which I do all the time...folding pillows...whatever wierd sleeping habits...etc.. So I stopped Zocar and have not had a reaction since! Last year I was on lipitor and had similiar types of problems, but not the hand numbing.
Anyways, I am getting very frustrated with these drugs, I am still young 30, but have a history of very high cholesteral in the family/heart disease. The docs have said it is better to treat early then wait, which I see their point. And the only thing that has been effective in lowering my numbers have been the statins. So I am confused as to what my next steps are....the battle marches on...
Certain times at night I would wake up and find my hands numb (not hurting) but basically falling asleep. I had asked my doc and he said I was probably sleeping on my hands....which I do all the time...folding pillows...whatever wierd sleeping habits...etc.. So I stopped Zocar and have not had a reaction since! Last year I was on lipitor and had similiar types of problems, but not the hand numbing.
Anyways, I am getting very frustrated with these drugs, I am still young 30, but have a history of very high cholesteral in the family/heart disease. The docs have said it is better to treat early then wait, which I see their point. And the only thing that has been effective in lowering my numbers have been the statins. So I am confused as to what my next steps are....the battle marches on...
NHone
03-25-2006, 12:03 AM
I don't know if you newspaper prints Dr. Gott, but he said that many studies have proved that cholesterol levels are progressively less important as we age, starting in our 70's and extending beyond 100 years of age. He has several nursing home residents in the late 80's with cholesterol levels above 300. They are doing great. No illnesses or signs of arteriosclerosis (except the usual). Also went on the say "I think that (young) doctors are often "seduced by numbers."
Lenin
03-27-2006, 09:19 AM
ARIZONA,
I hope your dad does well. The best thing one can do before an angiogram is to make sure that it's done by someone trained and qualified to do an immediately angioplasty and stenting...ideally one's cardiologist.
The height of duplication is for a lab tech to pull the tubiing and catheter out of the groin (a pretty big hole in the femoral artery) and then redrag the patient to the hospital and have somebody else do the same rotorooting all over again to do the angioplasty a week later.
Has he given up on the chelation therapy?
I hope your dad does well. The best thing one can do before an angiogram is to make sure that it's done by someone trained and qualified to do an immediately angioplasty and stenting...ideally one's cardiologist.
The height of duplication is for a lab tech to pull the tubiing and catheter out of the groin (a pretty big hole in the femoral artery) and then redrag the patient to the hospital and have somebody else do the same rotorooting all over again to do the angioplasty a week later.
Has he given up on the chelation therapy?
ARIZONA73
03-27-2006, 07:43 PM
ARIZONA,
I hope your dad does well. The best thing one can do before an angiogram is to make sure that it's done by someone trained and qualified to do an immediately angioplasty and stenting...ideally one's cardiologist.
The height of duplication is for a lab tech to pull the tubiing and catheter out of the groin (a pretty big hole in the femoral artery) and then redrag the patient to the hospital and have somebody else do the same rotorooting all over again to do the angioplasty a week later.
Has he given up on the chelation therapy?
Lenin,
I was pretty much hoping, in fact I had expected the exact same thing, that the angiogram would at least be performed by someone who is competent to perform an immediate angioplasty and stenting. But to my dismay, this was not the case. My father spent 8 hours in that hospital today, and all those doctors did was take pictures. Now they have to send the results back to my father's doctor (a vascular surgeon), and then he'll decide what to do. But you're absolutely right. My father may end up going through this whole mess all over again. What a waste of time and money, not to mention all the aggravation....referrals, blood tests, the whole nine yards. No wonder our healthcare system is in such a financial crisis.
As far as the chelation is concerned, my father has stopped going. In fact, he probably hasn't had any treatments in over a year. I think he just got tired of it, and doesn't want to bother with it anymore, especially since he has to pay 100% of the cost. We were hoping that it might improve the circulation in his feet, but evidently that wasn't happening. Needless to say, my father is quite discouraged. I just hope that something can be done to restore some circulation to his feet. He's having a difficult enough time walking as it is.
I hope your dad does well. The best thing one can do before an angiogram is to make sure that it's done by someone trained and qualified to do an immediately angioplasty and stenting...ideally one's cardiologist.
The height of duplication is for a lab tech to pull the tubiing and catheter out of the groin (a pretty big hole in the femoral artery) and then redrag the patient to the hospital and have somebody else do the same rotorooting all over again to do the angioplasty a week later.
Has he given up on the chelation therapy?
Lenin,
I was pretty much hoping, in fact I had expected the exact same thing, that the angiogram would at least be performed by someone who is competent to perform an immediate angioplasty and stenting. But to my dismay, this was not the case. My father spent 8 hours in that hospital today, and all those doctors did was take pictures. Now they have to send the results back to my father's doctor (a vascular surgeon), and then he'll decide what to do. But you're absolutely right. My father may end up going through this whole mess all over again. What a waste of time and money, not to mention all the aggravation....referrals, blood tests, the whole nine yards. No wonder our healthcare system is in such a financial crisis.
As far as the chelation is concerned, my father has stopped going. In fact, he probably hasn't had any treatments in over a year. I think he just got tired of it, and doesn't want to bother with it anymore, especially since he has to pay 100% of the cost. We were hoping that it might improve the circulation in his feet, but evidently that wasn't happening. Needless to say, my father is quite discouraged. I just hope that something can be done to restore some circulation to his feet. He's having a difficult enough time walking as it is.
JJ
03-27-2006, 08:37 PM
Lenin,
I was pretty much hoping, in fact I had expected the exact same thing, that the angiogram would at least be performed by someone who is competent to perform an immediate angioplasty and stenting. But to my dismay, this was not the case. My father spent 8 hours in that hospital today, and all those doctors did was take pictures. Now they have to send the results back to my father's doctor (a vascular surgeon), and then he'll decide what to do. But you're absolutely right. My father may end up going through this whole mess all over again. What a waste of time and money, not to mention all the aggravation....referrals, blood tests, the whole nine yards. No wonder our healthcare system is in such a financial crisis.
As far as the chelation is concerned, my father has stopped going. In fact, he probably hasn't had any treatments in over a year. I think he just got tired of it, and doesn't want to bother with it anymore, especially since he has to pay 100% of the cost. We were hoping that it might improve the circulation in his feet, but evidently that wasn't happening. Needless to say, my father is quite discouraged. I just hope that something can be done to restore some circulation to his feet. He's having a difficult enough time walking as it is.
Gee Arizona, sorry to hear your dad went thru 8 hrs. of nothing but pix, what a bummer. No wonder the poor guy is getting disgusted, I know I would. Hopefully his dr. can find a solution and next time, if he has to go again, it can be done and over with, and successful. Keep us posted.
I was pretty much hoping, in fact I had expected the exact same thing, that the angiogram would at least be performed by someone who is competent to perform an immediate angioplasty and stenting. But to my dismay, this was not the case. My father spent 8 hours in that hospital today, and all those doctors did was take pictures. Now they have to send the results back to my father's doctor (a vascular surgeon), and then he'll decide what to do. But you're absolutely right. My father may end up going through this whole mess all over again. What a waste of time and money, not to mention all the aggravation....referrals, blood tests, the whole nine yards. No wonder our healthcare system is in such a financial crisis.
As far as the chelation is concerned, my father has stopped going. In fact, he probably hasn't had any treatments in over a year. I think he just got tired of it, and doesn't want to bother with it anymore, especially since he has to pay 100% of the cost. We were hoping that it might improve the circulation in his feet, but evidently that wasn't happening. Needless to say, my father is quite discouraged. I just hope that something can be done to restore some circulation to his feet. He's having a difficult enough time walking as it is.
Gee Arizona, sorry to hear your dad went thru 8 hrs. of nothing but pix, what a bummer. No wonder the poor guy is getting disgusted, I know I would. Hopefully his dr. can find a solution and next time, if he has to go again, it can be done and over with, and successful. Keep us posted.
ARIZONA73
03-27-2006, 09:24 PM
Thanks, JJ. I wonder how much extra money all this is going to cost, as opposed to getting it all over with in one single visit? I just hope the doctor doesn't tell him that there's nothing they can do for him.
Lenin
03-27-2006, 09:30 PM
I was so lucky...I was on the table less than an hour, all the pics were taken, decisions wre made and the angioplasty/sent were done through the same catheter.
Is there anything they can do to enhance the blood flow to a diabetic foot? I don't think angioplasty is done, but I can be wrong.
Is there anything they can do to enhance the blood flow to a diabetic foot? I don't think angioplasty is done, but I can be wrong.
ARIZONA73
03-27-2006, 09:56 PM
I was so lucky...I was on the table less than an hour, all the pics were taken, decisions wre made and the angioplasty/sent were done through the same catheter.
Is there anything they can do to enhance the blood flow to a diabetic foot? I don't think angioplasty is done, but I can be wrong.
Yes, what they did in your case makes sense. I don't see why they can't do the same procedure on someone who has peripheral vascular disease, which is quite common, especially in diabetics. It's still blockages, only down in the legs. I remember reading an article in the Star-Ledger a couple of years ago about a diabetic who had circulation restored to his feet. I should have saved the article. I can't remember whether it was actually called angioplasty or not, but it was similar to some kind of roto-rooter type of procedure, in which blockages were cleared and circulation restored. And it can be repeated later on if need be. The problem is, my father goes to the doctor, but I don't think he asks the right questions.
Is there anything they can do to enhance the blood flow to a diabetic foot? I don't think angioplasty is done, but I can be wrong.
Yes, what they did in your case makes sense. I don't see why they can't do the same procedure on someone who has peripheral vascular disease, which is quite common, especially in diabetics. It's still blockages, only down in the legs. I remember reading an article in the Star-Ledger a couple of years ago about a diabetic who had circulation restored to his feet. I should have saved the article. I can't remember whether it was actually called angioplasty or not, but it was similar to some kind of roto-rooter type of procedure, in which blockages were cleared and circulation restored. And it can be repeated later on if need be. The problem is, my father goes to the doctor, but I don't think he asks the right questions.
JJ
03-27-2006, 10:22 PM
Yes, what they did in your case makes sense. I don't see why they can't do the same procedure on someone who has peripheral vascular disease, which is quite common, especially in diabetics. It's still blockages, only down in the legs. I remember reading an article in the Star-Ledger a couple of years ago about a diabetic who had circulation restored to his feet. I should have saved the article. I can't remember whether it was actually called angioplasty or not, but it was similar to some kind of roto-rooter type of procedure, in which blockages were cleared and circulation restored. And it can be repeated later on if need be. The problem is, my father goes to the doctor, but I don't think he asks the right questions.
I saw something on tv last year about taking plaque out of the legs, think it was on 20/20 or Primetime. It reminded me of exactly what they did to hubby's heart arteries, so hopefully there is hope. Maybe when he has his next visit, U could take a half day of work off and go just to ask more questions???? I don't think hubby's can be done, as he doesn't seem to have blockage, just that lousy PN, but I sure am going to ask next time he sees his cardio guy.
Best of wishes to your dad...... :wave:
I saw something on tv last year about taking plaque out of the legs, think it was on 20/20 or Primetime. It reminded me of exactly what they did to hubby's heart arteries, so hopefully there is hope. Maybe when he has his next visit, U could take a half day of work off and go just to ask more questions???? I don't think hubby's can be done, as he doesn't seem to have blockage, just that lousy PN, but I sure am going to ask next time he sees his cardio guy.
Best of wishes to your dad...... :wave:
lane413
03-30-2006, 08:40 PM
My mom just started zorcor a couple of wks ago and now she says she has "palps" and numbness in her hands and feet. It doesn't hurt but is annoying.
HubbleRules
03-31-2006, 01:23 AM
My mom just started zorcor a couple of wks ago and now she says she has "palps" and numbness in her hands and feet. It doesn't hurt but is annoying.
Lane413,
Has your mother tried stopping the zocor for a few weeks to see if the palps and numbness go away?
At least this would help confirm if it's the zocor that's causing the symptoms.
I wouldn't let the numbness go on too long before talking with the doctor, or better yet, stopping the zocor to see if it's causing the problem. There are those on the board who have peripheral neuropathies, probably in part caused by their statins, and I believe they start with 'numbness'. It is not easy to cure them once they progress to a certain stage.
HubbleRules
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Lane413,
Has your mother tried stopping the zocor for a few weeks to see if the palps and numbness go away?
At least this would help confirm if it's the zocor that's causing the symptoms.
I wouldn't let the numbness go on too long before talking with the doctor, or better yet, stopping the zocor to see if it's causing the problem. There are those on the board who have peripheral neuropathies, probably in part caused by their statins, and I believe they start with 'numbness'. It is not easy to cure them once they progress to a certain stage.
HubbleRules
:cool:
Spin444
03-31-2006, 01:48 AM
lane, your Mom's symptoms are signs that she should NOT be taking Zocor. The numbness in her extremities is not good and can be a sign of neuropathy. It will probably only get worse. Zocor put my sister in a wheel chair after 6 weeks of use. It took a couple of months before she could walk well and still uses a cane. She had statin induced myopathy, defined as painful muscle wasting.
lane413
03-31-2006, 09:03 PM
Hubble, no she is afraid to stop the zorcor bcuz her cholesterol is really high and she has very severe bp and diabetes. Her cholesterol was 278 and ldl was 166, hdl was 65 and trigs 149. Our new dr. said she had to take something bcuz of those numbers.
She took lipitor for over 3 yrs and had elevated liver enzymes. The only side effect from the zorcor is the numbness. After she has the blood work done she is thinking of stopping the zorcor for awhile.
She took lipitor for over 3 yrs and had elevated liver enzymes. The only side effect from the zorcor is the numbness. After she has the blood work done she is thinking of stopping the zorcor for awhile.
lane413
03-31-2006, 09:05 PM
I forgot to add that she is in college right now and she said she noticed a major difference in her thinking pattern. b4 taking zorcor she was able to make the dean's list; now she is struggling to remember simple tasks. She's not failing or anything, but she is having problems remembering things.