Well the topic sums up my frustration. I posted this in this forum because whouldn't you be depressed if you were 20 yrs old and never had sexual intercourse before?.
The really rough part of it is that iv'e had 3 good chances in the past.

1- Was Laura we were kinda cuddling,touching and kissing on my living room couch, she said lets go dowstairs and I said no because my parents were home but the reason was I was just too nervous about pleasing her I guess.

2. Jackie we hung out for about six months she was a virgin to and she really liked me and I her well one time on the phone she said she wanted to have sex with me and I just pretended I didn't hear her and changed the subject.

3. My last good chance was Samantha she was sweetheart from middle school we dated on and off from the beginning of middle school to the end of highschool. Well around the end of highschool we went to Six Flags amusement park for the day when we went back to her house that night. upstairs I could hear her sister and her boyfriend getting busy and me and her were laying in her bed and I knew she wanted to have sex but all I did was lay there like a bag of hammers.

To any that take the time to read this and are wondering yes I am very secure with my sexuality (heterosexual)
I guess i'm just so self concious about wanting to please the girls iv'e been with or what they might think about my performance/penis size and I was not blessed in that department (5 1/2 erection )
I guess I just want to know how many other ppl my age are Virgins and how you feel about it.

Thx for listening to my Blathering

Cheers

Hey Jimi Thing
While it may bother you that you are 20 and still a virgin it's really not a big deal. I decided to wait until I found the right guy and was 21 before I lost mine (as a matter of fact he, also 21, was a virgin too! Losing one's virginity is a really big deal,, and so it maintainting a healthy sexual relationsip afterwards. It could be that you are just waiting for the right girl. The things that cause your insecurities won't matter to her bc she'll love you for you. The bottom line is when you meet the right person it wont be as scary. And dont feel bad that you haven't taken the plunge yet! Don't want to have sex just because you think everyone your age already has..it's not true! I hope this helps you!!

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It did not bother too much in my 20’s but it is bothering me more and more now that I am in my 30’s

There is no question that unwanted abstinence can cause depression and other confidence and interaction problems.

But I would agree with twinkletoes81 and question if your abstinence is really unwanted or if you were just not ready at the time or have not found a girl that you feel totally safe and comfortable with?
In any case, from my point of view 20 is not too old to be a virgin by a long shot especially given the success that you have had in relationships so far. You obviously are social and a very lovable person to have had the experiences that you have had. You seem to be on the right track and a very normal person.

For myself I have given up that I will ever experience sex in my life . . . and it really is depressing and hurtful to not have that hope. I tear up and feel bad just writing this.

At this point in my life I would give anything just to be able
to lay with a girl like a shack of hammers
or to have a girl say that she wanted to have sex with me … what a compliment.
Or to be able to cuddle, kiss and touch a girl on a couch.

I do not think that you can have sex with a person without first taking steps like those.
They are necessary, so I would urge you not to look at them as failures to have sex
But valuable growing experiences in your development toward that point.

I envy you sooo much.

I would give anything just to be able to feel like I was going in the right direction
That I was taking steps towards so kind of relationship or interaction.

I just finished an out patient program today for my depression and social anxiety.
The three girls in the class all gave me a hug.
One gave me a rose as a good bye and good luck gift.
I have never hugged a girl, I was stiff and uncomfortable VERY UNCOMFORTABLE.
And I have no experience in accepting gifts . . . did I screw it up??

I could look at my reaction as proof that I am a failure and that I will never have a relationship EVER.
And part of me does see it that way…
But part of me wants to see it as good too… as progress and step in the right direction….

Look, if you think that you have some unreasonable fear of intimacy or are truly terrified that a girl, that you know is nice and likes you, is going to make fun of your penis size, then maybe you want to get help and see if there are other issues that might be causing these unreasonable fears for you?

But from my point of view you sound like that is probably not necessary.

I know nothing about being with a real girl, but I have heard that there are milestones referred to as bases?
First base, second base, third base and home run?
I have even heard of sloppy second base and sloppy third base?
I assume that these came about because there is a sort of progression in relationships that leads up to sex.
There is an exploration of bodies and a testing of waters so that the couple can be sure that they are safe with their partner?
The steps that you have maybe started?
Maybe you need to experience more before you are ready for sex?
Maybe you have not gone through all the steps but not all with one girl.
It would seem to me that that is normal learning.

20 year old virigin is not unusual at all. I know of several in my circle of people.

The fact that you are worried about pleasing a female is the issue that you need to look in to.

If I remeber correctly, A penis that is 3.5 inches long and 1 inch thick is "techincally" suffice to give a woman pleasure.

Try to relax. Try to stay calm. And most importantly, if the girl makes your penis size an issue, she is not worthy of you and does not "REALLY" care about you.

Heya,
Well i just turned 20 as well and have had a similar experience to you. I've had opportunities to have sex with boyfriends, but I've been too nervous/embarrassed/scared to go with the flow. As a result I've had my last two boyfriends dump me for someone "easier". It really sucks...but I'm relying on the fact that I WILL meet someone with whom I DON'T feel nervous. If I'm not completely comfortable being intimate with someone, I'm probably not ready to have sex with him is what I figure.
SEVERAL of my friends have actually begun as shy and nervous with respect to being intimate, but they've met the right partners and now really appear "normal". I think we've just got to wait and it'll happen.
Hang in there!

el_9_el maybe me and you should hook up and we can just sit around and drink coffee or something until were comfortable http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif thx guys/gals for all your support and that's what I expected from this forum why can't I meet considerate people like you in person.

ffsmith thx for your words they were inspirational that might sound corny but you made me feel better about myself and I thank you. Why are you having the problems with the ladies? I know through my teens I had bad acne and I had some girls say some pretty nasty things to me and that could be a reason for me acting the way I do when being intimate (fear of rejection maybe) argghhh i'd like to see those girls now that my face has cleared up even though what they said scarred me for life and what I whould say whouldn't be a pin prick to them.

Thx again you all had some positive things to consider and I will do just that. On a high note I will be going out tonight, maybe i'll meet that "special someone" and I won't have to feel nervous when being intimate http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif

Cheers-Jordan

Being a virgin (I'm 19 years old and female) makes me depressed too...very depressed, actually.

I have never understood this whole subject of depression. Honestly. I don't see where it all comes from because I just can't relate to it.

I have read the post and responses and I really feel for you guys but I just have to respond to this post if for nothing else than to give you a totally separate point of view from someone who can look back and appreciate life more than most without the typical hangups that hold people back.

I'm fast approaching 50, but here is my story anyway, since I was young at one time myself.

I never really worried too much about losing my virginity as a teen even though I had my chances and blew them as well. I have to admit and relate to Jimi's situation that part of my problem was the fear of getting a reputation as a bad lay among the girl and her friends. You know how girls like to talk. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif It's not just the guys.

Fast forward...boom!
Well, I ended losing my virginity at 18, within 18 minutes after stepping outside the gate right after Navy basic training in San Diego. It was an experience that still lingers in my mind and brings a smile to my face 30 year later. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif After basic training, I was fortunate to be stationed in San Diego as well and stayed there for the next 4 months until we deployed on a 9 months overseas cruise to the Pacific. While in San Diego, the guys very quickly introduced me to the Tijuana, Mexico bar scene before I even had all my bags unpacked. Over time, we would end up going down there on average, twice a week. So here I was, this 18 year old kid full of spunk. I would hook up with a girl soon after we got to TJ and then sucked up on Dos Equis(XX beer) to recharge my batteries afterwards. 21 was the legal drinking age in CA. A couple of hours later we would hit another bar and go another round with a different girl. This cycle continued when we went overseas and hit the ports of call of which Subic Bay/Olongapo, Phillipines was the most famous. So, you do the math and carry it out over my four year enlistment. This alone was enough to get any guy to renlist but I had to move on with my life. It took some willpower though. While in the Navy, the guys actually gave me the nickname, "Smiley". http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif At this point I don't know if I'm actually helping any of you out or making you even more depressed, but read on. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif

Well, I was pretty much imprinted within the first year in the Navy towards my view of sex after that. I lost all hangups about sex and sexuality after that and have treated sex as a casual thing ever since. This is key to my philosophy in life today. That doesn't mean sex cannot develop into intimacy or love if the situation is right. With my approach, you just cut to the chase and get the sex thing out of the way right out front. However, to this day, I still run into people that have trouble understanding or accepting my point of view and I will probably get some on this thread. Sometimes, I am left thinking, they don't know what they're missing in life due to their inhibitions and hangups. I can tell you that my feelings about sex today has contributed in really simplifying my life.

Today, 30 years later, a lot of people and friends over the years have come up to me and commented on how I hardly ever get upset or disappointed about anything. Little do some of them know. Anger doesn't exist in any part of my life and hasn't for decades. Anger is an emotion that is just too strong and ugly to exist in my life. There is no reason for me to get angry. Well OK, I am very angry that I don't know how or am not sure how to put in those smiley faces (emoticons). http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif

Here is really what I am trying to tell you guys. Don't worry too much about your virginity at your age. If intimacy is important to you and if it makes you feel more comfortable and helps put you at ease, explain your situation to the girl just prior to having sex. Women are very understanding, way much more than men will ever be. (hold the comments girls). Most important than anything else, get over your hangups while you're still young. This advice goes to the girls as well. FFSmith, you are a special case but not uncrackable. If you happen to live in the Desert Southwest, I will hook you up buddy. You just have to leave intimacy out of it. At least in the beginning to get your feet wet first and help you get over your hangup. It has been five years since I last took a trip to San Diego. I was between girlfriends at the time. At the last minute I decided to cross over to Tijuana and see if my old favorite hideout was still there. Well, I crossed over but never found out about my old hideout. I did find a nice attractive girl on the way and stopped to talk with her. Within a couple of minutes, we cut a deal and we headed up the stairs for some fun. Total cost, $10 US dollars, $13 if you count the cost of the room. That's just the way it is in the world of casual sex. You cut to the chase. There is no need to buy the girl a happy meal just to try to impress her.

I am who I am today in life due to three simple basic principles I follow, practice and learned early on in life.

1. I have learned to separate sex from love or intimacy when it has to be that way. Just stop, look and think of all the emotional problems, breakups, divorces, that exist and result around you and among other couples everywhere due to not being able or willing to separate and treat sex and intimacy as two completely different issues, when it has to be. A lot of people will disagree with me on this but it's basically just another hangup that people need to get over with. I don't know what it feels like to be jealous or envious of anything anymore.

2. I separated God from Religion many many years ago. I don't have religious beliefs anymore. I lean more towards spirituality without any particular affiliation or denomination, if there is even such a thing. I don't need some guy in a clown suit up on a pulpit trying to preach to me about sexuality, morals and other hangups while they turn right around and then pay a visit to their mistress or worse, go molesting kids. Look at all the present day conflicts between different religious/ethnic groups. I don't even have to bring in past religious history to make a point here. It's just another hangup. Jessie Ventura said it best. Well, a close second to Mao.

3. I separate the government from MY country, the "U.S.A.". They are very closely related by the nature of how the political and election process is carried out but, they are not one and the same and have not been one for a long time. I doubt they will ever be as one again in my lifetime if it ever even was one in the first place. You can say all the bad things you want about Republicans, Democrats, or politicians. It is of very little concern to me, but don't mess with MY country.


To summarize my philosophy on advising others, Gore Vidal said it best and there is no charge for this initial consultation:

"There is no human problem which could not be solved if people would simply do as I advise"
Gore Vidal
http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif

Hoop

I enjoyed reading your post Hoop.
Believe it or not I was in the Airforce and in the Marines for a short time.
But I never got past the "training" or the "break-you-down-so-they-can-build-you-up" part of the experience.
It is a bad memory for me.
It was definitely nothing like your experience.
I have often thought about going to Nevada to a legal establishment to just be able to say that I did it before I die.
But I do not have the nerve. At least not now.


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size shouldn't be an issue...I knew someone who was about 3".....and this Mr. Studley used to have a different girl every other night. He had a black book of about 200 girls he'd been with and he was 26 years old.

Then I knew another guy who was about 9", this one was such a clutse he was scary.

So, it--size--shouldn't be an issue.

The majority of women "fake it" for the majority of the time....so, they have the big issues of trying to please their mates so much, that they are willing to sacrifice their own satisfaction. Imagine that.

So, when your ready.....make her promise to never fake...and you can both find eachothers pleasure points and hope both of you are satisfied.

Performance anxiety is very common...even in non virgins.

One last thought........if there is love involved, it makes things flow alot smoother and more worthwhile.

Don't rush yourself........good luck, even though u really don't need it.

question?

what does this have to do with depression?

there is a difference between being clinically depressed and not "getting any", the difference is once you do "get some", problem over, where someone who is clinically depressed can have all the sex they want and they are still going to be clinically depressed.

Also, I see no need for you to publicly declare the size of your manhood, such a post belongs somewhere else, like male anatomy or sexual topics.

One more thing to consider, you are a virgin now, but after the first time, you can never go back to being so, so enjoy the moment, and wait for the time that is right for you.

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Unwanted abstinence has a lot to do with depression.

It makes people sad because it is a loss of a type of relationship that they believe they should have.
It makes people embarrassed and ashamed.
People are afraid to talk about it because others imply that their question or what they are sharing is inappropriate.
It leads to isolation.
It makes people mad and bitter at the world.
It can lead to suicide.

If you suffer depression because a family member dies technically you are not “clinically depressed”
But it is easy for that type of depression to eventually fit the clinically depressed label.

I believe every thing that Jimi Thing said has to do with depression because the thoughts that he shared act in a way that depresses his mood.

I would like to post an article on the topic that I have posted here before:

Unwanted Abstinence

By Daniel DeNoon
Reviewed By Charlotte Grayson, MD
WebMD Medical News Archive

July 27, 2001 -- On TV, everyone who wants a sex life gets one. That's not the way it works in real life. And results from a new survey show that people who want sex -- but don't get it -- suffer in lonely silence.

"Many of these people are in their 20s and 30s but haven't ever had the experience of kissing or touching, much less intercourse," Elisabeth O. Burgess, PhD, tells WebMD. "So they feel awkward not knowing how to make the right move. It seems to them that they have a big sign on their heads that says "INEXPERIENCED."

Burgess is a sociologist at Georgia State University, in Atlanta. Her colleague Denise Donnelly, PhD, began the study after her earlier work on the subject drew the attention of an internet chat room for involuntary celibates -- people who want sex but can't find a partner. This contact revealed to the researchers a hidden world of hurt.

Via Internet questionnaires, they interviewed 60 men and 22 women whose sex lives either never began or had stalled for at least six months. Their findings, published in the current issue of the Journal of Sex Research, showed that these people often experience despair, depression, frustration, and a loss of confidence that spills over into all aspects of their lives.

"For these people, not being sexually active isn't just about the sex but about being connected to other people," Burgess says. "It's about the need for intimacy. They feel left out of normal relationships. And they think they are the only person experiencing this problem."

Since publishing this initial study, Donnelly and Burgess have gone on to interview some 300 people sharing various versions of this problem. Some are virgins. Some are single people who haven't dated in a long time. And some are married or in a committed relationship but have stopped having sex.

The study found that the virgins and singles had a lot in common. They typically reported being shy, and were likely to have put off dating and sex to concentrate on their education and careers.

"Suddenly they are 30 and are at the point in their lives where they want to get married and have children, but they have never been on a date," Burgess says. "They think everybody else their age has been through all these initiation stages 10 and 15 years ago."

Here's what one virginal man in the 35-44 age group told the researchers:

"The fact that no woman has loved me or cared for me enough to have sex with me is tremendously damaging to my self-esteem. It makes me feel like a freak, an unloved person who is not worth anything to anyone. I know intellectually that these feelings are to a large extent misleading and wrong. Nonetheless, this is the visceral feeling in my gut that I get when I think about this -- and I think about it every day, every hour. Sometimes every minute."

Married people who no longer have sex obviously differ from the virgins and singles in that they did have sex at one point.

"To some extent this makes it harder for them to speak up," Burgess says. "They are still very much in love with their spouses. They say, 'Well, I am not sexually satisfied but he is a good father and provider and a fun person -- I just wish he would find me sexually interesting.'"

Sex therapist S. Michael Plaut, PhD, is associate professor of psychiatry at the University of Maryland School of Medicine and immediate past president of the Society for Sex Therapy and Research. Asked by WebMD to comment on the Donnelly and Burgess findings, he notes that their Internet-based study may actually have underestimated the problem by missing older people who don't use computers. And he would add a fourth category to the list of people who want but don't have sex: married people who later find that they are gay or lesbian.

Both Plaut and Burgess recommend that people who are troubled by their lack of a sex life should seek professional help.

"The message for anyone experiencing a period of involuntary celibacy is they are not alone," Burgess says. "One thing that has been very helpful to some people is to find community. This can be done on the Internet."

I - like many others on the boards, am a virgin. At age 16, mmany of you would think "big deal." But in this modern day and age of h$#D jobs at age 13 it can really pile on some tension. The vast majority of my mates have alreadi "gotten some." Fortunately though, i am blessed with good appearance and a decent size, so theres two aspects i dont obtain to hold me back. Due to my depressive illness however, i have seriously lost my sex drive and motivation. The carefactor is zero really, ive been offered it off on several occassions by some seriously glamorous chix, but just couldnt be bothered, i no some guys who wud luve to be in my position. I think performance anxiety has been my prime reason for remaining a virgin though. The thought of you not "performing" can really shy someone away from sex regardless of appearance. Upon becoming aware how common these anxietys are it wouldnt be an uncommon for scenario for both partners to be anxious of what one another are thinking of each otha...absolutely wasted anxiety.
Seriously guys, dont be down for being a virgin...coz ima virgin for being down !!
Nah seriously, upon realising how common it is, it really relieves some of the pain, and upon reading some of the other posts on here, it makes my case seem very mild indeed...

very interesting article, thank you. it makes alot of sence.

sex must play a big part in chemical reactions in the brain...ever see that "glow" when someone does get "it". It's kinda that same endorphin feeling as excersise gives you or "runner's high".

I have been isolated for quite a while, due to depression. Last night I was dragged to a wedding. I had to do stuff I have not normally felt up to, like put on nice clothes, make up, do my hair....only because I promised to go. You know, just getting some "attention" from the opposite sex at this wedding...made me feel good, something I haven't felt in a long time. Even with some weight gain etc. It's that whole self esteem confidence thing...it does affect us. I woke up much happier today. I was also feeling more "sexual", something I havent felt in a long time.

Personally, I haven't been a virgin in a long time, but, I haven't been "with" anyone in almost 2 years.

Humans NEED human touch. It's a necessity for life. Even a hug, or what not.

Virgins with lack of self confidence could start the process with learning how to comfortably be able to touch the opposite sex....touching, caressing, massaging. I would say that would be a good first step.

When I began dating at 16, the first thing I began was kissing, touching, teasing, learning what "aroused" the opposite sex. By the age of almost 20, I was no longer a virgen.....but, I mastered all those other aspects by this time. Four years of just touching, caressing, petting.........you could say I was ready to graduate by 20. I am very confident of the "foreplay" part of sex because of that long period of time being able to just "play".

Kinda like learning to drive a car. You gota first get in...get comfortable sitting in the drivers seat...adjust the mirrors, seat, radio station...and when your comfortable....you start the engine...but even then you let the car heat up before you put it into drive. And always at first, your nervous as hell of losing control....but a few times on the road...and it becomes second nature.....and you forget that nervous feeling when you started.

But, if it's deeper than that....a good councelor can help you work on that confidence.

A good ice breaker when your nervous...tell the girl your expecting her to do all the work. If she doesn't blush and get shy...she is made of stone....or seriously confident....which is rare.

Yes, it is indeed harder for men in that area....I will agree with that.

You'll be ok.

What makes me really depressed is that not only am I a virgin but I've never kissed anyone or touched anyone in an intimate way. I basically have no physical human contact and when I think about all this I get extremely depressed so I definitely understand that article.

Im don't agree with the whole idea of separating sex from love. I think sleeping around with people without having an emotional attachment to them will only set one up for even greater disappointment when he or she eventually does meet the right person because the former is merely and act and the latter something more. Not to mention how dangerous casual sex is geez! Why are you proud of hooking up with a prostitute? If you ask me the fact that you don't or aren't capable of not separating sex and love suggests that you have a problem with true intimacy. It seems that it would be far greater to have sex with someone you don't know or care about than to make love to someone you feel deeply for. I think suggesting to anyone that casual sex is healthy is very inappropriate, I think the risks are far to great.
To JimiThing, don't rush it your time will come when you are ready! You will meet that special someone and you'll probably feel better knowing that you waited for her and didnt go galavanting around with other girls that didnt matter to you.

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sex is extremely over rated

i would much rather have a good pizza anyday than sex

at least a pizza isnt going to tell you that it doesnt like this or that and that others were better and a pizza will never leave you confused or wondering if you could have done better a pizza wont erode your confidence either

a pizza is pure pleasure where sex is too much like work

when i seek pure pleasure i dont want any other bs getting in the way of my pleasure

thank you dominoes pizza hut and papa johns

for a good time i call one of the above

Great article, FF; makes perfect sense. It's very depressing when you feel like everyone around you is "getting some" and you're not. You question everything about yourself, especially your looks. You compare yourself to other people. If they're better-looking, you think: "If only I looked like THAT, then I'd be happy" - and, if they're not good-looking, you think: "How comes he/she's getting laid and I'm NOT?!" But, like others have said, it's not even about the sex itself - it's about the feeling of isolation and the "freakishness", and having no human interactions (physically, I mean). It's about feeling so left out.

that pizza post was funny!! pure pleasure for me during a severe state was Hagen Daz strawberry ice cream, especially when I wasn't enjoying anything else but sleep. Very dangerous...i gained 15 pounds...I did enjoy it while it was creeping on, but, now...not that great for your self esteem. Pizza for a good time....not bad, not bad.

I have had casual sex........safely (as safe as you can be nowadays). Ok being in love is much more gratifying...but, the last guy I was with....almost 2 years ago....was a former Calvin Klein underwear model.........and yeah, it was freaken great for my self esteem....and it's very gratifying to have human touch. Sometimes waiting for love, well, takes too long. Personally, I am not quite ready for love...I have to deal with my self first.......A nice boy toy can be just as fun as that pizza....trust me....especially when you don't take it that seriously...which I dont always.

Ok, maybe I am not the best person to give advice.

This depression thing has sent me into isolation...so, I havent really wanted anyone in my life.....except on some days when I miss it.

Most men seek sex for "self gratification" that's why they don't always have performance anxiety....more of them should have performance anxiety....then maybe women wouldn't be "faking it" as much as they do....polls taken say 70% of women fake it more than 50% of the time..........these statistics bother me........I mean, who are you really trying to pleas in the end?????

ok, i rambled enough.

Sex Sex Sex! BAH!

It is OVER RATED!

All I know is when you have sex with someone with whom there is an emotional connection, it can be just awsome... Because then you guys take the time to enjoy and please each other... rather than the BOOM BANG SEE YAH LATER type stuff...

Eventually everyone will get laid, believe me...

If I can get laid, anyone can...

"Eventually everyone will get laid, believe me... "

It is so strange.
When I see a statement like that I have a strong emotional reaction
I what to say "oh yeah, lets make a bet…I’ll prove you wrong"
'I may never have a relationship with anyone but I will at least be right'

It probably goes back to stuff with my parents that I can not even remember.

I remember as a fourth grader knowing that I would never have a relationship.
I told my parents this and they said 'no your wrong. Every child says that but as you mature you change your mind about girls.'
(I am sure a lot of parents say this to there boys)
I even made a bet with my father that I would never hold a girl’s hand.
Latter I made a bet that I would never kiss a girl.

I have nothing against women. I would love to be able to do those things.
I think I would have loved to be able to do those things in fourth grade.

But there is something wrong with me.
I wish my parents would have got me help right then.

I do not really know exactly what it is now, but I got issues. lol

Let me apologize for my one statement... It did not need to be in that post, but I guess my hands went wild and it just typed it...

I don't know where your issues stem from, maybe you don't have any issues?

Maybe you are just scared to take it to the next level... That is normal... Everyone is scared at times...

Maybe you have an Anixety issue?
Maybe you have an Esteem issue?

Whatever it is, I wish you all the best in determining the issue and then taking the corrective steps to fix it all up...

Hang in there!