Mandy135
04-24-2006, 12:41 PM
Has anyone tried Human Growth Hormone? Was it tried in cap form or by injection? What were the results?
I have heard that it helps to lose weight and give more energy. Also, it suppose to be a wrinkle preventor. :)
I tried it for about 1 1/2 months. What I noticed was that I had deeper sleep. I woke up less tired the following morning. It was in cap form. I really did not see any other results at that time. Maybe it takes longer to work? Maybe it was also doing other stuff I just did not notice.
I would love to hear from people that have used it! :wave:
I have heard that it helps to lose weight and give more energy. Also, it suppose to be a wrinkle preventor. :)
I tried it for about 1 1/2 months. What I noticed was that I had deeper sleep. I woke up less tired the following morning. It was in cap form. I really did not see any other results at that time. Maybe it takes longer to work? Maybe it was also doing other stuff I just did not notice.
I would love to hear from people that have used it! :wave:
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6foot3
04-24-2006, 02:16 PM
1 1/2 Months is not long enough to see results . At least 3 to 6 months by oral forms. You take this at nite before sleep on an empty stomach then in deep sleep stage 4 the Pituitary Gland will release growth hormone. These amino acids help in the release , also you can do it with a scoop of Whey protein powder before bed for the same results and not have to take these precusors.......
BorderGirl
04-24-2006, 04:55 PM
I'm a pituitary patient, and I don't think anyone should take hgh unless it is needed for medical reasons.
suggus
04-28-2006, 11:33 AM
It is my understanding that the only true HGH is to be given via injection.
The quack pseudo-HGH products are nothing but components to stimulate your own body to product a certain harmone.
The quack pseudo-HGH products are nothing but components to stimulate your own body to product a certain harmone.
ratboy83
05-14-2006, 09:12 AM
also you can do it with a scoop of Whey protein powder before bed for the same results and not have to take these precusors.......
is that really true? that would be awesome as it would work out mucher cheaper!
alex.
is that really true? that would be awesome as it would work out mucher cheaper!
alex.
6foot3
05-14-2006, 04:27 PM
I have to admit that statement is mine and not any book or website info that i know of so let me explain that. There are 4 Amino Acids that help produce growth hormone in the Pituitary Gland which is produced either by fasting or deep sleep (rem cycle).The Aminos are L- Glutamine,L-Arginine,L-Ornithine and L-Lysine. When you buy these growth hormone precusors these Aminos are in them especially L-Glutamine which is the most important. Or a cheaper solution is to take Whey protein rite before bed and it has the same amount of these Aminos including high amounts of L-Glutamine.I myself take a scoop every nite before crashing out and it is a lot cheaper......
ratboy83
05-14-2006, 05:37 PM
i knew about those four but is it really as effective to take the whey protein rather than just the specific precursors? the reason i ask is that in regards to amino acid precursors in the context of depression (an area of great personal interest, unfortunaltely out of necessity), taking the specific precursors to certain neurotransmitters has shown to be more effective in raising the levels of these neurotransmitters in the brain than providing the precursors from dietary protein. if you haven't read this, and only claim this from personal experience, what do you base this on exactly? did you use the specific aminos for a period and then use the whey and experienced the same results for both? how do you know? i'm just curious thats all. :) also, would this is idea be unsuitable for those suffering from insomnia as tyrosine is the precursor to noradrenaline, a fight or flight effect hormone? :confused: finally, i read that L-trytophan and L-glycine are also HGH releasers? that true? the suppose the whey would be cool for another reason as the powders often contain vitamins and minerals, some of which are also co-factors in HGH realease (can't remember which ones but calcium, magnesium and zinc, some B-complex i think???), so the mixture would be even more effective for this reason. :D
alex.
alex.
6foot3
05-14-2006, 07:17 PM
First dude i like the technical questions as it forces me to fire up the neurons LOL...(also liked the ''glycogen useage isolated'' thread) O.k. why do i say this about Whey as to GH precusors ,well after pondering this i realized that i did read a book on this about 3 to 4 yrs back which gave me my reason of using Whey. (i appologize for stating earlier that i didn't read this) The book ''The Anti Aging Zone'' by Barry Sears talks about this in the book and tells about GH and DHEA release for anti aging and how to release these. He stated that eating a protein (i.e.cottage cheese,turkey breast etc.) would help the Pituitary release GH as long as insulin was low as insulin inhibits GH release, so i just modified this by using Whey for my protein source and its high Glutamine content. You also asked about Tyrosine as a noradrenaline precusor, when taking Whey protein powder Tyrosine is mixed in the protein pool so its affects there are minimal as compared to taking it by itself on an empty stomach also just because its a precusor to adrenaline doesn't mean you'll be wired like taking caffeine or a drug, just means that if ''fight or flight'' is needed then it could help. And on Tryptophan as a GH releaser i checked NIH'S ''pub med'' and all i could find was that it was shown to be a SLIGHT GH realeaser. In conclusion... as a weight lifter,longevity,anti aging 42 yo dude i feel very comfortable about using Whey as my GH releaser when i crash out at nite.......
ratboy83
05-14-2006, 07:24 PM
legendary. i think i'll have to buy it again. thanks for the info. :D :D :D
alex.
alex.
ARIZONA73
05-14-2006, 07:49 PM
6foot3,
Do you, or have you ever taken DHEA? If so, what is your personal opinion/experience about this supplement? I've been taking it off and on for the last couple of years (~25mg/day). All in all, I think that it gives me more energy and brightens my mood. I've read both pros and cons about DHEA supplements, although most of what I've read has been positive. Nevertheless, everytime I take it, I feel a little guilty, and am not exactly sure what to believe and what not to believe, although, as I've said, it appears to have an overall positive effect. What do you think?
Do you, or have you ever taken DHEA? If so, what is your personal opinion/experience about this supplement? I've been taking it off and on for the last couple of years (~25mg/day). All in all, I think that it gives me more energy and brightens my mood. I've read both pros and cons about DHEA supplements, although most of what I've read has been positive. Nevertheless, everytime I take it, I feel a little guilty, and am not exactly sure what to believe and what not to believe, although, as I've said, it appears to have an overall positive effect. What do you think?
6foot3
05-14-2006, 09:43 PM
Arizona...I have research DHEA quite a bit since the rage when it came out comercially around the middle of the 1990's. Most of my info on it is from the Life Extension Foundation, as they do lots of double blind placebo studies which i trust. I do not take it at this time do to i don't feel any of aging's affects yet. I eat well and exercise and take antioxidents and tons of green tea and i feel really good at 42..I still play b ball with the 20/30 somethings at my job and hang well with them. I guess i want to be like my (idol) Jack Lalane who at 93 does 500 pushups a day (1 to 2 hr workouts) 6 days a week and doen't take any drugs or hormones but just great diet and exercise. That being said ..you said you take DHEA and if it works for you then great and i'm always open minded so i may take it in the future just not yet......
ARIZONA73
05-14-2006, 11:19 PM
Well, thanks for your reply, 6foot3. I've been taking a great deal of supplements, especially antioxidants since I've been in my 20s, and I generally feel pretty good overall. But I'm 51 right now, not 42. When I was 42 it was a different story, as you'll probably find out in another 10 years.
ratboy83
05-15-2006, 06:04 AM
[QUOTE=6foot3 I guess i want to be like my (idol) Jack Lalane who at 93 does 500 pushups a day (1 to 2 hr workouts) 6 days a week and doen't take any drugs or hormones but just great diet and exercise.[/QUOTE]
is that the guy who is a great advocate of raw vegetable juice? think i read about him in a juicing book i've got by a dude called jason vale. he gets up at 5 every morning, has a raw juice and then works out for a couple of hours and then has his secong breakfast. he's got the condition of am man far, far younger than his actually age. amazing guy. are we thinking of the guy?
alex.
is that the guy who is a great advocate of raw vegetable juice? think i read about him in a juicing book i've got by a dude called jason vale. he gets up at 5 every morning, has a raw juice and then works out for a couple of hours and then has his secong breakfast. he's got the condition of am man far, far younger than his actually age. amazing guy. are we thinking of the guy?
alex.
6foot3
05-15-2006, 02:22 PM
Thats the dude .... He's on all the infomercials on tv here on the weekends him and his wife selling his juicer. Anyway i'd have to look it up but i believe he's americas first body builder (on tv) back in the 40's or 50's.When i see pictures of him back then he was powerfully built...He said at like 20/21 he gave up all junk food and exercised the rest of his life with very little supplements.At 93 and he still kicks butt.....
Mandy135
05-15-2006, 07:16 PM
So If I have one scoop of Whey with a bit of milk at bedtime that would replace a HGH supplement? :)
ARIZONA73
05-15-2006, 09:35 PM
I guess i want to be like my (idol) Jack Lalane who at 93 does 500 pushups a day (1 to 2 hr workouts) 6 days a week and doen't take any drugs or hormones but just great diet and exercise.
Not to take anything away from Jack Lalane, but not very many people are in any position to live the way he does, either. Most people have both family and job stresses, are living from paycheck to paycheck, and often don't even have the time to eat right, that's if they can afford to. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Jack Lalane lives in an entirely different world than the rest of us. He's literally made his living doing all those things, and profited from it.
Not to take anything away from Jack Lalane, but not very many people are in any position to live the way he does, either. Most people have both family and job stresses, are living from paycheck to paycheck, and often don't even have the time to eat right, that's if they can afford to. I guess the point I'm trying to make is that Jack Lalane lives in an entirely different world than the rest of us. He's literally made his living doing all those things, and profited from it.
6foot3
05-15-2006, 10:44 PM
Most people have both family and job stresses, are living from paycheck to paycheck, and often don't even have the time to eat right, that's if they can afford to.How hard is it to cook oatmeal in the microwave for 3 min. How hard is it to do calisthetics or walking....These can be acomplished with little money or time. My sister has 4 kids and they struggle yet they do not eat junk/fast food and go to the YMCA daily....Yeah i know all about job stresses and living paycheck to paycheck back in my 20's and training as a body builder......
ARIZONA73
05-15-2006, 11:14 PM
Did Jack Lalane work a 9:00-5:00 job, punching a timeclock, and then hurrying home to do household chores, and running around doing errands? If so, just what was his occupation?
Sentus
06-08-2006, 02:35 AM
umm, so back to this HGH thing
I am very interested since I just turned 20 and am only 5'4
How does one set about growing an extra inch or 2?
What did you do 6foot3?
Thanks in advance
I am very interested since I just turned 20 and am only 5'4
How does one set about growing an extra inch or 2?
What did you do 6foot3?
Thanks in advance
6foot3
06-08-2006, 02:23 PM
My height is genetic ...I take after my mom's side of the family. Everybody's tall and skinny while my dad's is short and stocky so genes really have a determination on this. Also by 9th grade i was already 6/3 tall then grew no more while others say they grew at 19 or 20 so sorry but not much help on this subject.Wish i could tell you more .........
MaxOT26
06-08-2006, 05:23 PM
One amazing amino acid that everyone has failed to mention is Gaba. For boosting natural growth hormone levels and promoting deeper sleep, Gaba is superb. It has been tested in tons of clinical trials for years and has been shown to produce over a 500% increase in plasma growth hormone levels 90 minutes after a 5 gram dose. I can post nurmerous references for some of the studies. Also, DHEA has been shown to produce terrific results.
It promotes insulin sensitivity, boosts IGF-1 levels by nearly 90%, it helps to build lean muscle and likewise reduce bodyfat. The amount taken in this study was 300mg for 30 days. Both are great supplements for anyone looking to improve their physique and overall health.
It promotes insulin sensitivity, boosts IGF-1 levels by nearly 90%, it helps to build lean muscle and likewise reduce bodyfat. The amount taken in this study was 300mg for 30 days. Both are great supplements for anyone looking to improve their physique and overall health.
Mandy135
06-08-2006, 08:06 PM
I have never heard of GABA. Can you explain more? :wave:
6foot3
06-09-2006, 02:50 PM
It is a a derivative of Glutamine that acts as a neurotramsmitter in the brain. It helps to reduce anxiety and has a calming effect on the neurons. It does help the Pituitary Gland produce Growth Hormone which bodybuilders and others alike take for that benefit. As for growing taller there is no studies on this anywhere i've checked as again height is almost always genetic for those who are concerned that it will make you grow taller....Later !!
littlegirl53
06-17-2006, 10:10 AM
How much do you take? What brand? What time of day do you take it?
*Lai*
06-17-2006, 08:59 PM
Everyones talking about different amino acids and things that you could take, i ws just wondering has anybody taken any supplements that have actually helped them to grow????? I am 21 and i'm about 5 foot 2, i would love to grow a few more inches but i think i have reached the age where that would be impossible.
So anyone had any success??
thanx
So anyone had any success??
thanx
6foot3
06-18-2006, 12:48 PM
How much do you take? What time of day do you take it?Littlegirl.... you asked these above questions so heres the answers...First usually 2 to 5 grams a day and secondly the time of day to take is right before bed when the pituitary gland is the most active in deep sleep.......
ratboy83
07-14-2006, 06:54 AM
hey 6foot3, been thinking about the whey protein for HGH release but ran into a problem. i can see that its cheaper to derive the aminos needed for HGH release from whey but you won't be getting as much of the specific aminos from taking the whey as from taking them individually. taking one scoop of whey (24 grams) will only provide the following amounts of the aminos needed for HGH release:- (approx amounts)
- Arginine- 450mg (less than one capsule of arginine)
- glutamine- 3.5grams (the same as one teaspoon of glutamine powder)
- lysine- 1.7grams (under 2 tablets worth of lysine)
- ornithine- none
cheaper but less effective then?????? :wave: :confused:
alex.
- Arginine- 450mg (less than one capsule of arginine)
- glutamine- 3.5grams (the same as one teaspoon of glutamine powder)
- lysine- 1.7grams (under 2 tablets worth of lysine)
- ornithine- none
cheaper but less effective then?????? :wave: :confused:
alex.
6foot3
07-14-2006, 03:48 PM
Ratboy.......I use Optimum Nutrition whey protein (last 10 yrs)
per scoop -24 gms protein
Arginine - 505 mg
Glutamine - 4082 mg
Lysine - 2233 mg
ornithine -0
So these numbers are higher than what your quoting (except ornithine)
I base my research on GH on Life Extension Foundation research.These numbers are more than enough to stimulate the Pituitary Gland to produce growth hormone. You are correct about Ornithine as part of the 4 and whey having none and you schooled me on that...:mad: .But Ornithine is an non-essential amino acid and is made by the body if Arginine is present so i still will use whey as my ''just before bed GH releaser'' . I also like its high BCAA'S to repair muscle and tissues during sleep and its Glutamine to repair ''Gut Lining'' so i'm happy using it as a ''Master Body Rebuilder'' during deep sleep (rem stage) but again you are correct about whey not having ornithine. Later Dude....:D
per scoop -24 gms protein
Arginine - 505 mg
Glutamine - 4082 mg
Lysine - 2233 mg
ornithine -0
So these numbers are higher than what your quoting (except ornithine)
I base my research on GH on Life Extension Foundation research.These numbers are more than enough to stimulate the Pituitary Gland to produce growth hormone. You are correct about Ornithine as part of the 4 and whey having none and you schooled me on that...:mad: .But Ornithine is an non-essential amino acid and is made by the body if Arginine is present so i still will use whey as my ''just before bed GH releaser'' . I also like its high BCAA'S to repair muscle and tissues during sleep and its Glutamine to repair ''Gut Lining'' so i'm happy using it as a ''Master Body Rebuilder'' during deep sleep (rem stage) but again you are correct about whey not having ornithine. Later Dude....:D
dantropin
08-10-2006, 05:30 AM
If you are going to use HGH, then the best and only way to use it is by injection. Tablet and sprays are abslute waste of money, your stomach contains .6 molar HCL hydrocloric acid to help digest foods, so what will it do with a little pill?
I've been using hgh for over a year and feel great its the best investment I've made. I inject 5IU every morning, it take about 6 months to see and feel the results of this treatment,its not an over night thing
I've been using hgh for over a year and feel great its the best investment I've made. I inject 5IU every morning, it take about 6 months to see and feel the results of this treatment,its not an over night thing
6foot3
08-10-2006, 07:23 PM
Well injections cost us here in the states about 1,000 a month. Not a lot of people can kick that out. Hormones by mouth are a waste but amino acids are not as they are absorbed thru the ''micro villi'' in the intestines with no problem. Again just take them on an empty stomach.......