OutToLunch
04-29-2006, 10:34 PM
This is ridiculous. I know that for men the belly is the hardest place to lose fat from and I've been steadily losing it, but despite attaining a 29 inch waist and seeing my cheeks getting hollow, I can still pinch and inch and still feel the fat on my lower back and love handles. By the time I get rid of this belly fat, my face is going to be gaunt. I wish I could take a kitchen roller and roll this fat out evenly. LOL
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bluejbirdie
04-29-2006, 10:42 PM
This is ridiculous. I know that for men the belly is the hardest place to lose fat from and I've been steadily losing it, but despite attaining a 29 inch waist and seeing my cheeks getting hollow, I can still pinch and inch and still feel the fat on my lower back and love handles. By the time I get rid of this belly fat, my face is going to be gaunt. I wish I could take a kitchen roller and roll this fat out evenly. LOL
Blah Blah Blah! 29inch Waist!!!!!!!!! do you really want sympathy? :D :D
I am thrilled I am down to a 36in Waist!
But I know what you mean. I look now at every other part of my body and it looks great...but that dang belly fat! I still have about another 30lbs I could stand to lose and I think it is all in the belly!
:bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:
Blah Blah Blah! 29inch Waist!!!!!!!!! do you really want sympathy? :D :D
I am thrilled I am down to a 36in Waist!
But I know what you mean. I look now at every other part of my body and it looks great...but that dang belly fat! I still have about another 30lbs I could stand to lose and I think it is all in the belly!
:bouncing: :bouncing: :bouncing:
OutToLunch
04-29-2006, 11:04 PM
By my estimates, I can safely lose another 10 pounds before my body fat becomes dangerously low. But it looks like all 10 of it is stuck in one spot. Darnit. :)
shucky ducky
05-01-2006, 10:53 AM
I'd kill for a 29 inch waist!!!
Unfortunately, for many of us, no matter how much weight we lose, we still have the belly fat. Many people end up getting a tummy tuck. I know several people who have had one. Very expensive, but they all claim it was so worth it.
Unfortunately, for many of us, no matter how much weight we lose, we still have the belly fat. Many people end up getting a tummy tuck. I know several people who have had one. Very expensive, but they all claim it was so worth it.
OutToLunch
05-01-2006, 11:16 AM
Keep in mind that the minimum waist size a person can attain is based on their frame size. I just happen to be small-framed and for someone like me, the minimum is 28.
MaxOT26
05-01-2006, 02:54 PM
OutToLunch, are you supplementing with any kind of fatloss supplements? Also what type of cardio are you doing, and how often? And how is your diet?
You are to the point now where many bodybuilders get before they start using drugs; however, in most cases it is possible to get ride of that last little bit of stomach fat, but everything needs to be done properly.
You are to the point now where many bodybuilders get before they start using drugs; however, in most cases it is possible to get ride of that last little bit of stomach fat, but everything needs to be done properly.
OutToLunch
05-01-2006, 06:57 PM
OutToLunch, are you supplementing with any kind of fatloss supplements? Also what type of cardio are you doing, and how often? And how is your diet?
You are to the point now where many bodybuilders get before they start using drugs; however, in most cases it is possible to get ride of that last little bit of stomach fat, but everything needs to be done properly.
I am not on supplements and refuse to take any. I have been doing 60 minutes of steady-state cardio in the morning on my elliptical. 3 evenings out of the week, I do 20 minutes of interval training on the bike and 3 evenings I do weight training. It's a lot of exercise and for most people, just not feasible, but boy does it work. The diet is pretty strict. 6 meals a day, high protein intake, I've gotten rid of things like dairy and breads. My carb intake is more fruits and vegetables than whole grains. I certainly feel better. Have more energy.
You are to the point now where many bodybuilders get before they start using drugs; however, in most cases it is possible to get ride of that last little bit of stomach fat, but everything needs to be done properly.
I am not on supplements and refuse to take any. I have been doing 60 minutes of steady-state cardio in the morning on my elliptical. 3 evenings out of the week, I do 20 minutes of interval training on the bike and 3 evenings I do weight training. It's a lot of exercise and for most people, just not feasible, but boy does it work. The diet is pretty strict. 6 meals a day, high protein intake, I've gotten rid of things like dairy and breads. My carb intake is more fruits and vegetables than whole grains. I certainly feel better. Have more energy.
chevyman
05-02-2006, 12:03 AM
hey OutTo Lunch,
I have that same problem, what I been doing is I wear a sweat belt around my stomach all around my waist snug but not to tight, it's just a cheap val-gro Ironman belt, I use while I treadmill for about an hour, I go shirtless and just wear the sweat belt, I been doing this now for almost 2 weeks, thats not much time I realize that, but it seems that my shirts do tuck in a lot better altho it don't show up on the scales that I lost all that much.
if you can't or don't use a treadmill then try it when you use your elliptical?
useing the sweat belt I sweat a lot during the treadmilling and the sweat seems to target on my face/ back/ sides and tummy.
it may not work as good as I think it will as far as getting the stomach fat off? but it sure seems like it is... anywayz my g/f told me I look thinner...hey thats good enough for meeee
hey 29 inch waist is a female size man...whats wrong wit you?....lol and I thought 34 was just fine..humm?...nah just teasing ya...good for you OutTo Lunch ....29 waist line..I'll never see that agian.
I have that same problem, what I been doing is I wear a sweat belt around my stomach all around my waist snug but not to tight, it's just a cheap val-gro Ironman belt, I use while I treadmill for about an hour, I go shirtless and just wear the sweat belt, I been doing this now for almost 2 weeks, thats not much time I realize that, but it seems that my shirts do tuck in a lot better altho it don't show up on the scales that I lost all that much.
if you can't or don't use a treadmill then try it when you use your elliptical?
useing the sweat belt I sweat a lot during the treadmilling and the sweat seems to target on my face/ back/ sides and tummy.
it may not work as good as I think it will as far as getting the stomach fat off? but it sure seems like it is... anywayz my g/f told me I look thinner...hey thats good enough for meeee
hey 29 inch waist is a female size man...whats wrong wit you?....lol and I thought 34 was just fine..humm?...nah just teasing ya...good for you OutTo Lunch ....29 waist line..I'll never see that agian.
bluejbirdie
05-02-2006, 01:09 AM
Chevy my man! Dont tell me you are falling for this whole Sweat belt gimmick?
do you honestly believe it does anything? There was a Guy on here a while ago that was promoting these things trying to say that where you sweat makes a diffference on where you will lose fat.
do you honestly believe it does anything? There was a Guy on here a while ago that was promoting these things trying to say that where you sweat makes a diffference on where you will lose fat.
chevyman
05-02-2006, 01:35 AM
hi,
well I don't know yet? I'll try anything to get rid of my belly fat...I never seen that guy you mention about the sweat belts?
this is just an idea I had...so I thought?...I do sweat more useing the belt and its mostly around my waist/sides ect,,ect,, and my face and parts of my back... but mostly the sweat does seem to target my mid section?
I don't know if this really works or not? but sinse I been useing the belt my shirts do tuck in a little better? don't have to hold in my stomach anymore to tuck in my shirts? I'M THINKING I MAYBE LOSEING INCHES ?
Guess it don't hurt anything to try?
I'll post back and let ya know.
well I don't know yet? I'll try anything to get rid of my belly fat...I never seen that guy you mention about the sweat belts?
this is just an idea I had...so I thought?...I do sweat more useing the belt and its mostly around my waist/sides ect,,ect,, and my face and parts of my back... but mostly the sweat does seem to target my mid section?
I don't know if this really works or not? but sinse I been useing the belt my shirts do tuck in a little better? don't have to hold in my stomach anymore to tuck in my shirts? I'M THINKING I MAYBE LOSEING INCHES ?
Guess it don't hurt anything to try?
I'll post back and let ya know.
Lenin
05-02-2006, 10:07 AM
It's official...I have STOLEN OuttoLunch's 29 inch waist and replaced it with my 35 1/2...it looks GREAT on me.
Thanks guy!
Thanks guy!
shucky ducky
05-02-2006, 10:52 AM
I wear a sweat belt and although I don't believe it will help melt away the fat, it's great for helping to hold your stomach in during a workout and back support.
OutToLunch
05-02-2006, 02:21 PM
The sweat belt sounds like a total gimmick. And if you feel you need it to provide back support, then maybe you should worry more about WHY you need back support in the first place. Building a strong core is not only important in sports, it's important for overall health. One of the things I love about using an elliptical is that it forces me to contract my abs more intensely than when I run on a treadmill. So even though I'm not concentrating on working my abs, I do so anyway without really thinking about it. And it's made it a lot easier to do crunches.
The 29" waist does have one drawback. I went shopping this weekend for new dress pants and the brand I normally buy doesn't make anything less than 30. When I asked the salesguy, he told me to check in the children's section. Jerk. :)
The 29" waist does have one drawback. I went shopping this weekend for new dress pants and the brand I normally buy doesn't make anything less than 30. When I asked the salesguy, he told me to check in the children's section. Jerk. :)
chevyman
05-02-2006, 03:21 PM
I don't know if the sweat belt is a gimmick or not? only been useing for 2 weeks, but if it is or if its not? thats alright with me=..it does make me sweat more in my mid section, I tried it without it on and I sweat less while exercising....it seems to me my shirts tuck in better without having to suck in.
As far as ''Back Support'' I don't think this belt I use helps in that way its to thin, I suppose if a person is well over weight there back could possible hurt them during a vigrous exercise? even if there back was fine? maybe the weight that causes back pain?
I don't know about that?
hey OutToLunch.... THATS A PRETTY GOOD ''DRAWBACK''...
and just think at some places kids eat free...so see he may not be a ''jerk''after all..... ;)
As far as ''Back Support'' I don't think this belt I use helps in that way its to thin, I suppose if a person is well over weight there back could possible hurt them during a vigrous exercise? even if there back was fine? maybe the weight that causes back pain?
I don't know about that?
hey OutToLunch.... THATS A PRETTY GOOD ''DRAWBACK''...
and just think at some places kids eat free...so see he may not be a ''jerk''after all..... ;)
bluejbirdie
05-02-2006, 03:57 PM
as for the sweat belt....I think it could be a bad thing...why would you want to sweat more? you sweat more you will lose more water and you become more dehydrated. Dehydration = Bad. I would make sure you are drinking even more water then usual when using that thing.
OutToLunch
05-02-2006, 04:12 PM
The reason I say it's a gimmick is because it's based on the idea that there's a direct relationship between fat loss and sweating. Problem is there isn't. This is no different than people who put on extra layers and go running outside, thinking that they'll sweat off more fat than if they just wore shorts and a t-shirt. Sweating is nothing more than fluid loss and it eventually gets replenished when you eat or drink. If your clothes are fitting better, than you're losing fat. But don't assume it's because of the belt. You could run naked and burn off the same amount of fat.
chevyman
05-02-2006, 04:37 PM
oh ok ,
thank you for explainig that.
I was thinking just that.
I usally work out in a sweat pants t-shirt...its just the other day I went shirtless...I can't stand the sweat running down me...lol....so the t-shirt come back on.
I was thinking if you sweat more, you burn more calories and lose maybe faster?, but your correct you drink and eat after and that just adds the calories back in!
what I was wanting to do is exercise vigirously with the sweat belt, and maybe burn more calories.
I always thought if you burn more calories and becareful as to how many(calories) you consume, the weight loss will be greater and faster?
''bluebirdie''
I DO DRINK PLENTY OF GOOD COLD BOTTLED WATER.
I really don't need to lose in my legs arms or back /face/ I just need to lose in my stomach!..all my lbs I put on heads straight to my stomach...
I'M A MEDUIM build long arms/legs and 6'3...some people tell me I look fine and don't need to lose....but I know I do in my stomach.
so if I'm loseing weight say 2 lbs a week, them lbs come from somewhere eles other than my stomach? they say the stomach is always the last to go.....grrrrr....my reason to try the belt ....= gimmick or no gimmick.
is there a way you can ''kick''start your stomach? wake it up or something?
oh btw, some of you was concern about my g/f....she is going to counsling on anerxia and is eating better ''more'' healthy now.
thank you for explainig that.
I was thinking just that.
I usally work out in a sweat pants t-shirt...its just the other day I went shirtless...I can't stand the sweat running down me...lol....so the t-shirt come back on.
I was thinking if you sweat more, you burn more calories and lose maybe faster?, but your correct you drink and eat after and that just adds the calories back in!
what I was wanting to do is exercise vigirously with the sweat belt, and maybe burn more calories.
I always thought if you burn more calories and becareful as to how many(calories) you consume, the weight loss will be greater and faster?
''bluebirdie''
I DO DRINK PLENTY OF GOOD COLD BOTTLED WATER.
I really don't need to lose in my legs arms or back /face/ I just need to lose in my stomach!..all my lbs I put on heads straight to my stomach...
I'M A MEDUIM build long arms/legs and 6'3...some people tell me I look fine and don't need to lose....but I know I do in my stomach.
so if I'm loseing weight say 2 lbs a week, them lbs come from somewhere eles other than my stomach? they say the stomach is always the last to go.....grrrrr....my reason to try the belt ....= gimmick or no gimmick.
is there a way you can ''kick''start your stomach? wake it up or something?
oh btw, some of you was concern about my g/f....she is going to counsling on anerxia and is eating better ''more'' healthy now.
shucky ducky
05-02-2006, 05:19 PM
OutToLunch,
I need back support because I'm too frickin' fat! :cool:
Man, if someone told me my waist size was only sold in the children's section, I'd be the happiest dude in the world!!! ;)
I need back support because I'm too frickin' fat! :cool:
Man, if someone told me my waist size was only sold in the children's section, I'd be the happiest dude in the world!!! ;)
OutToLunch
05-02-2006, 05:30 PM
chevyman,
You don't like sweat running down your body? What about during sex with the girlfriend? :)
When you eat and drink following exercise, it isn't the calories that's the problem. Actually you need to eat and drink so that your body can recover from the exercise. But whatever fluids you sweated off are being put back in so the scale will say the same thing.
Unfortunately, there is no way to "kick start" your stomach. If there were, we'd all know it by now. You can't control where fat is lost or gained. The general rule is that the first place to gain is the last to lose. For men, that just happens to be the abdominal area. I have no idea the evolutionary significance. Maybe the people who gained fat in their stomach were able to survive better than the people who gained fat in their legs or arms. Maybe fat becomes easier to mobilize if it's at the center of your body than if it's down in your feet. We're all working against millions of years of evolution that's conditioned the body to think food is scarce and that fat is best deposited in certain places. Until someone comes out with upgrades, you have to work with what nature has given you. What I've learned is to just focus on eating healthy and exercising. The weight comes off, maybe not as fast as I want or where I want, but it does happen. If what you're doing is getting you results, don't change. Stick with it until it stops working.
You don't like sweat running down your body? What about during sex with the girlfriend? :)
When you eat and drink following exercise, it isn't the calories that's the problem. Actually you need to eat and drink so that your body can recover from the exercise. But whatever fluids you sweated off are being put back in so the scale will say the same thing.
Unfortunately, there is no way to "kick start" your stomach. If there were, we'd all know it by now. You can't control where fat is lost or gained. The general rule is that the first place to gain is the last to lose. For men, that just happens to be the abdominal area. I have no idea the evolutionary significance. Maybe the people who gained fat in their stomach were able to survive better than the people who gained fat in their legs or arms. Maybe fat becomes easier to mobilize if it's at the center of your body than if it's down in your feet. We're all working against millions of years of evolution that's conditioned the body to think food is scarce and that fat is best deposited in certain places. Until someone comes out with upgrades, you have to work with what nature has given you. What I've learned is to just focus on eating healthy and exercising. The weight comes off, maybe not as fast as I want or where I want, but it does happen. If what you're doing is getting you results, don't change. Stick with it until it stops working.
OutToLunch
05-02-2006, 06:16 PM
I need back support because I'm too frickin' fat! :cool:
Well most people develop back problems for 2 reasons. First, they carry excess fat around their midsection and second, they don't have a strong core. And even the people who don't have excess fat and who exercise regularly neglect this area. People tend to focus on things like the chest, shoulders, or legs. Those are more fun to work anyways. I personally hate doing crunches. I'd rather run for an hour than do 10 minutes of ab work. But like a lot of people, I sit at a desk all day. Over time, it really does cause back problems regardless of how much excess weight you have.
Well most people develop back problems for 2 reasons. First, they carry excess fat around their midsection and second, they don't have a strong core. And even the people who don't have excess fat and who exercise regularly neglect this area. People tend to focus on things like the chest, shoulders, or legs. Those are more fun to work anyways. I personally hate doing crunches. I'd rather run for an hour than do 10 minutes of ab work. But like a lot of people, I sit at a desk all day. Over time, it really does cause back problems regardless of how much excess weight you have.
chevyman
05-03-2006, 03:33 AM
well I'll plead the 5th on that one... to personal sorry!
and bluejbirdie you bring up a good point about ''Dehydration''
I'll remember what you said about this...thanks.
''shucky ducky'' as far as being ''frickin fat''..thats not a nice thing to say about yourself or anyone....the sweat belt may help you keep a balance and make you sweat more but I don't think its going to help with any back pain?
theres a ''lifting belt'' that can be used to help your back if you do a lot of heavy lifting..maybe this sweat belt is confuseing some of you?
I Think the sweat belt helps me lose in inches anyway?..maybe not in pounds... I'll take what ever mother nature gives me or better yet off of me .
I don't know the truth? it may just be all in my head that it does help?...if I had not started useing the sweat belt would I have still lost in my inches? same with or with out the belt?
I'm affraid to not use the belt... crazy and stupid as that may sound...
and bluejbirdie you bring up a good point about ''Dehydration''
I'll remember what you said about this...thanks.
''shucky ducky'' as far as being ''frickin fat''..thats not a nice thing to say about yourself or anyone....the sweat belt may help you keep a balance and make you sweat more but I don't think its going to help with any back pain?
theres a ''lifting belt'' that can be used to help your back if you do a lot of heavy lifting..maybe this sweat belt is confuseing some of you?
I Think the sweat belt helps me lose in inches anyway?..maybe not in pounds... I'll take what ever mother nature gives me or better yet off of me .
I don't know the truth? it may just be all in my head that it does help?...if I had not started useing the sweat belt would I have still lost in my inches? same with or with out the belt?
I'm affraid to not use the belt... crazy and stupid as that may sound...
MaxOT26
05-03-2006, 12:15 PM
I am not on supplements and refuse to take any. I have been doing 60 minutes of steady-state cardio in the morning on my elliptical. 3 evenings out of the week, I do 20 minutes of interval training on the bike and 3 evenings I do weight training. It's a lot of exercise and for most people, just not feasible, but boy does it work. The diet is pretty strict. 6 meals a day, high protein intake, I've gotten rid of things like dairy and breads. My carb intake is more fruits and vegetables than whole grains. I certainly feel better. Have more energy.
Your carb intake is perfect, that is exactly where you want to be getting your carbs from, except pre and post exericise. Make sure before and after training (weights or cardio) you are consuming a high-glycemic carb and some whey protein. It is critical to stimulate protein synthesis, restore blood glucose levels, fuel your workouts, and perserve and protect muscle. Believe me it will not hinder your fat loss, rather improve your bodies response to training.
What is your bodyfat percentage at now? I am sure it is under 10% and you will find that unless you are genetically blessed it is going to be very difficult to drop it lower and lower. I am currently at 6% but I hovered around 8/9% for years no matter what I did. Supplements are basically a must if you want get that lean unless you are really blessed, which maybe you are.
Anyway, here is what I suggest you change with your training. Cut out the 60 min cardio session. Change that to a balls out 15 minutes session (do not do it on an empty stomach) and record your numbers from the workout. Try and beat your numbers the next morning, and so on and so on. Your evening cardio session should mirror your morning one. Do a different type though. 15 minutes balls and continually try and up your intensity every evening. 5 days a week doing cardio like this is plenty. Through in your weight training and make sure you are training heavy and intensely. Definitely make sure you calcium intake is high, I would drink at least two cups of straight coffee a day after two of you meals. Also try drinking a glass or even just a half of glass of red wine every night and tons of ice cold water all day. Also make sure healthy fat content is right on, it will really help with fat loss.
Your carb intake is perfect, that is exactly where you want to be getting your carbs from, except pre and post exericise. Make sure before and after training (weights or cardio) you are consuming a high-glycemic carb and some whey protein. It is critical to stimulate protein synthesis, restore blood glucose levels, fuel your workouts, and perserve and protect muscle. Believe me it will not hinder your fat loss, rather improve your bodies response to training.
What is your bodyfat percentage at now? I am sure it is under 10% and you will find that unless you are genetically blessed it is going to be very difficult to drop it lower and lower. I am currently at 6% but I hovered around 8/9% for years no matter what I did. Supplements are basically a must if you want get that lean unless you are really blessed, which maybe you are.
Anyway, here is what I suggest you change with your training. Cut out the 60 min cardio session. Change that to a balls out 15 minutes session (do not do it on an empty stomach) and record your numbers from the workout. Try and beat your numbers the next morning, and so on and so on. Your evening cardio session should mirror your morning one. Do a different type though. 15 minutes balls and continually try and up your intensity every evening. 5 days a week doing cardio like this is plenty. Through in your weight training and make sure you are training heavy and intensely. Definitely make sure you calcium intake is high, I would drink at least two cups of straight coffee a day after two of you meals. Also try drinking a glass or even just a half of glass of red wine every night and tons of ice cold water all day. Also make sure healthy fat content is right on, it will really help with fat loss.
OutToLunch
05-03-2006, 01:24 PM
MaxOT26,
Thanks for the advice, but I'm going to have to reject most of it. It's not that I disagree or think it's bad advice. It's just that most of what you said goes against the principles I'm trying to live by.
The first of those principles is to eat real food and avoid processed food as much as possible. I'm a firm believer that most health problems can be traced back to what we eat and even though no one ever died from drinking protein shakes, I'd still prefer to eat real food, food that the human body was designed to eat. Plus I'd rather not give my money to supplement companies.
Second, I really want to stick with doing 1 hour of cardio first thing in the morning. It's helped me lose a lot of fat, but that's no longer my primary reason for doing it. I've found that it's just a great way to start my day. I have more energy afterwards and I'm in a healthier mindset for the rest of the day. But I do agree that it's important to push yourself a little harder with each session. I've certainly been doing that. I'm not worried about muscle loss. I've been tracking my lean body mass and it's remained fairly steady. That whole thing about morning cardio eating up muscle is a big fat myth. I just enough the rest of the day and have no trouble retaining muscle. Also, I'm not trying to gain muscle right now so a post-workout meal with high carbs is unnecessary. I'm not trying to trigger an IGF-1 release.
My body fat is hovering around 10% which makes me wonder how small my waist would be if I got into the single digits. But I absolutely refuse to use supplements no matter how effective they are.
I don't think I need a high calcium intake, especially not from supplements. I get enough from real food. I also don't bother with coffee since that's not really healthy for you. Instead, I drink green tea with meals. And I'll save the red wine for special occassions.
Thanks for the advice, but I'm going to have to reject most of it. It's not that I disagree or think it's bad advice. It's just that most of what you said goes against the principles I'm trying to live by.
The first of those principles is to eat real food and avoid processed food as much as possible. I'm a firm believer that most health problems can be traced back to what we eat and even though no one ever died from drinking protein shakes, I'd still prefer to eat real food, food that the human body was designed to eat. Plus I'd rather not give my money to supplement companies.
Second, I really want to stick with doing 1 hour of cardio first thing in the morning. It's helped me lose a lot of fat, but that's no longer my primary reason for doing it. I've found that it's just a great way to start my day. I have more energy afterwards and I'm in a healthier mindset for the rest of the day. But I do agree that it's important to push yourself a little harder with each session. I've certainly been doing that. I'm not worried about muscle loss. I've been tracking my lean body mass and it's remained fairly steady. That whole thing about morning cardio eating up muscle is a big fat myth. I just enough the rest of the day and have no trouble retaining muscle. Also, I'm not trying to gain muscle right now so a post-workout meal with high carbs is unnecessary. I'm not trying to trigger an IGF-1 release.
My body fat is hovering around 10% which makes me wonder how small my waist would be if I got into the single digits. But I absolutely refuse to use supplements no matter how effective they are.
I don't think I need a high calcium intake, especially not from supplements. I get enough from real food. I also don't bother with coffee since that's not really healthy for you. Instead, I drink green tea with meals. And I'll save the red wine for special occassions.
MaxOT26
05-03-2006, 03:40 PM
You know if it wasn't for my bodybuilding goals, I would be right behind you on the diet thing. I agree, mostly all disease is a product of modernization. I eat nothing but organic and unprocessed foods with the only exception being my supplements. You are right, they are highly processed but also highly needed to consistantly pack on muscle and reducing bodyfat. I also agree with the supplement industry, it is an absolute joke, but I have been blessed enough to stumble across a company that is truly legit and they are the only company I buy supplements from (AST Sports Science).
I got the idea from your other posts that you were sticking along the "whole foods" route that is why I suggest high calcium intakes (which you can get from food), coffee (which you can buy organic and grind it yoursefl), and red wine (also buy organic, and historically is one of the healthiest substances ever). All of these things are all over the scientific literature for helping to increase your bodies ability to burn fat. I am not sure what you think is unhealthy about fresh coffee, but there is very recent research on its benefit for the mind, and also its profound affect on insulin sensitivity which is good for all things related to health. I can give you the journal references if you like.
The cardio advice is the most effective way to do cardio for fat loss, but if are not going to bracket your workouts with glucose and protein then you definitely should just stick to what you are doing. It has worked well for you, but as you are realizing it will only take you so far. There are more effective ways to go about it, but if you are happy with were you are at then keep on keep keepin on dude! Later.
I got the idea from your other posts that you were sticking along the "whole foods" route that is why I suggest high calcium intakes (which you can get from food), coffee (which you can buy organic and grind it yoursefl), and red wine (also buy organic, and historically is one of the healthiest substances ever). All of these things are all over the scientific literature for helping to increase your bodies ability to burn fat. I am not sure what you think is unhealthy about fresh coffee, but there is very recent research on its benefit for the mind, and also its profound affect on insulin sensitivity which is good for all things related to health. I can give you the journal references if you like.
The cardio advice is the most effective way to do cardio for fat loss, but if are not going to bracket your workouts with glucose and protein then you definitely should just stick to what you are doing. It has worked well for you, but as you are realizing it will only take you so far. There are more effective ways to go about it, but if you are happy with were you are at then keep on keep keepin on dude! Later.
OutToLunch
05-03-2006, 07:01 PM
MaxOT26,
I try to eat organic, but it isn't always easy. For one thing, restaurants don't usually serve organic food. Another thing is that for things like meat and eggs, the premium you have to pay to get organic is quite a lot. I'd rather give that money to the oil companies. ;) But I figure even if I don't eat organic all the time, eating real food is still better than anything whose ingredient list is a mile long.
I don't think supplements are needed to gain muscle or reduce body fat. I think ultimately what you're paying for is convenience. It's a lot easier to mix a shake than cook and pack chicken. Plus, you get tired of eating that much meat.
Coffee is one of those things that's best consumed in moderation.
I try to eat organic, but it isn't always easy. For one thing, restaurants don't usually serve organic food. Another thing is that for things like meat and eggs, the premium you have to pay to get organic is quite a lot. I'd rather give that money to the oil companies. ;) But I figure even if I don't eat organic all the time, eating real food is still better than anything whose ingredient list is a mile long.
I don't think supplements are needed to gain muscle or reduce body fat. I think ultimately what you're paying for is convenience. It's a lot easier to mix a shake than cook and pack chicken. Plus, you get tired of eating that much meat.
Coffee is one of those things that's best consumed in moderation.