peregrine
06-28-2006, 08:17 AM
Has anyone heard of this product? He, Dr. Gordon, is claiming it is not calcium that is instrumental to stop bone loss but vitamin D (as long as you get calcium in your multi.) This product also includes vitamin K, strontium and a host of other things. It is expensive, but I didn't try to sleuth it out on any other sites but his. If anyone checks it out and has thoughts on this ...
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CrohnieToo
06-28-2006, 10:25 AM
Peregrine, I haven't checked out this product yet, but I can tell you that I'm not taking any calcium supplements and most likely don't get that much calcium in my diet due to my low tolerance for dairy but I am on a high scripted dose of vitamin D, and have been for over a year, 100,000 IU weekly, and the Forteo and my T-scores and Z-scores improved greatly this past 10 months. I've been on the high vitamin D dose for about 18 months and the Forteo about 10 months. All Forteo clinical trials included low dose viamin D and calcium supplementation so I tend to think there is something to the vitamin D bit BUT obviously it couldn't do it alone as I was losing ground until we added the Forteo. On the other hand, few people do so good so fast on just Forteo and regular dose vitamn D and calcium.
PikaB
06-28-2006, 02:14 PM
From the ingredient list, it does seem to include Vitamin K-2 (the bone healthy vitamin in Natto), but the amount it claims to contain in each tablet is unbelievably high (10 mg). Most supplements of Vitamin K-2 contain around 100 mcg of it. When I eat 100 g. of Natto, I supposedly get around 870 mcg. of Vitamin K-2 (says the encyclopedia article on natto). And "Beyond Bone Defense" is supposed to contain more than 10 times that amount in each tablet? :confused: :dizzy: :confused:
peregrine
06-28-2006, 02:46 PM
Pika,
Dr. Gordon also recommends (for women only, I would guess) to take Beyond HRT in combination with the bone defense.
Dr. Gordon also recommends (for women only, I would guess) to take Beyond HRT in combination with the bone defense.
PikaB
06-28-2006, 05:32 PM
Looking at the biography, I'm not impressed with any osteoporosis-fighting credentials. His M.D. is an "honorary" one, and he works as a full-time consultant for a nutritional supplement company.
CrohnieToo
06-28-2006, 08:14 PM
Pika, M.D. can NOT be bestowed as an honory title. However, a Ph. D. can legitimately use the title of Doctor.
peregrine
06-29-2006, 07:38 AM
Pika, M.D. can NOT be bestowed as an honory title. However, a Ph. D. can legitimately use the title of Doctor.
Yes, Crohnie, I would question that as well. I have never heard of that title being "bestowed."
Yes, Crohnie, I would question that as well. I have never heard of that title being "bestowed."
peregrine
06-29-2006, 08:08 AM
Hi Pika,
I just did some more sleuthing on Dr. Gordon. By the way, I was not promoting him or the products, just presenting as information as I think what he says interesting.
Anyway, Pika, I think you are correct as this is what I found:
Dr. Gordon is a DO, a Doctor of Osteopathy, which is a legitimate medical doctor, it is my doctor's title as well. However, in his biography it stated that he also has an honorary MD degree from the University of California Irvine. I, like Crohnie, have never heard of such a thing, but I guess it exists.
I just did some more sleuthing on Dr. Gordon. By the way, I was not promoting him or the products, just presenting as information as I think what he says interesting.
Anyway, Pika, I think you are correct as this is what I found:
Dr. Gordon is a DO, a Doctor of Osteopathy, which is a legitimate medical doctor, it is my doctor's title as well. However, in his biography it stated that he also has an honorary MD degree from the University of California Irvine. I, like Crohnie, have never heard of such a thing, but I guess it exists.
CrohnieToo
06-29-2006, 09:53 AM
Well, if he is a D.O., Doctor of Osteopathy, then I can understand and have no problem with his "honorary" M.D. degree and do think that it could be legitimately bestowed.
For years DOs had to have their own hospitals, etc. and could not practice in a "regular" hospital. Now they have equal "rights" at all hospitals and are recognized on an even par w/MDs. Personally, in the distant past I preferred DOs to MDs as the MDs seemed to be "pill pushers" and the DOs were more likely to suggest simple, natural products that worked (and by natural I mean, try some prune juice for constipation, try some cranberry juice for a UTI, if that don't work we'll hit the meds). And it is amazing what their manipulation could do!
When we moved it was too far from our previous doctor so when the time finally came that I needed a doctor we didn't have one yet. I picked a DO out of the phone book because his location was convenient and for some reason his name sounded familiar. I had a doozy of a head cold. My head felt like a balloon, I was losing my sense of balance (and hearing), my eyes were watering so bad I could barely see to drive to his office. I was IMPRESSED w/his medical history taking. I'd never had such a comprehensive history taken (nor have I since). Then he told me to lay down on his table - and I thought, oh boy, a quack. But I did. I swear he jumped up and down on my face and I thought he was gonna push my cheek bones into the basement. And, of course, he snapped my neck each direction. Lo and behold when he told me to sit up my head was clear as a bell!!!!! I never would have believed it if I hadn't experienced it! He did give me some pills to finish the job but it was the manipulation that cleared my head.
Now, he didn't do a lot of manipulation thru the years we went to him before he died, but whenever he did - it worked! Nor was he one to give you a lot of "exotic" elixers and pills, etc. He pretty much was an MD in DO clothing and my entire family loved him dearly. He was a real Marcus Welby, if anyone here is old enough (wicked grin) to remember him.
Nowdays I don't see any difference between an MD and a DO. Not many DOs even do manipulation (its not cost effective, takes more time than writing a script) and those that do aren't very good at it. So when my recent family doctor died and I was doctor shopping I didn't pay any attention to whether it was an MD or a DO I was checking out. (I've had two doctors and two dentists die on me! I must be hard on docs, you think?) Sorry, didn't mean this to be a novel!
For years DOs had to have their own hospitals, etc. and could not practice in a "regular" hospital. Now they have equal "rights" at all hospitals and are recognized on an even par w/MDs. Personally, in the distant past I preferred DOs to MDs as the MDs seemed to be "pill pushers" and the DOs were more likely to suggest simple, natural products that worked (and by natural I mean, try some prune juice for constipation, try some cranberry juice for a UTI, if that don't work we'll hit the meds). And it is amazing what their manipulation could do!
When we moved it was too far from our previous doctor so when the time finally came that I needed a doctor we didn't have one yet. I picked a DO out of the phone book because his location was convenient and for some reason his name sounded familiar. I had a doozy of a head cold. My head felt like a balloon, I was losing my sense of balance (and hearing), my eyes were watering so bad I could barely see to drive to his office. I was IMPRESSED w/his medical history taking. I'd never had such a comprehensive history taken (nor have I since). Then he told me to lay down on his table - and I thought, oh boy, a quack. But I did. I swear he jumped up and down on my face and I thought he was gonna push my cheek bones into the basement. And, of course, he snapped my neck each direction. Lo and behold when he told me to sit up my head was clear as a bell!!!!! I never would have believed it if I hadn't experienced it! He did give me some pills to finish the job but it was the manipulation that cleared my head.
Now, he didn't do a lot of manipulation thru the years we went to him before he died, but whenever he did - it worked! Nor was he one to give you a lot of "exotic" elixers and pills, etc. He pretty much was an MD in DO clothing and my entire family loved him dearly. He was a real Marcus Welby, if anyone here is old enough (wicked grin) to remember him.
Nowdays I don't see any difference between an MD and a DO. Not many DOs even do manipulation (its not cost effective, takes more time than writing a script) and those that do aren't very good at it. So when my recent family doctor died and I was doctor shopping I didn't pay any attention to whether it was an MD or a DO I was checking out. (I've had two doctors and two dentists die on me! I must be hard on docs, you think?) Sorry, didn't mean this to be a novel!