Hello..I'm a female and I'm wondering is too much soy is bad for you. I L-O-V-E kashi products and i eat soy burgers and soy hot dogs instead of hamburgers and real hot dogs. On average, I'd probably say that 50-60 grams of my protein intake for the day comes from soy. Is this bad?

Thank you!:)

Soy has come in for a lot of adverse publicity recently.Occassionally eating traditionally prepared soy foods is fine. But eating lots of the stuff, especially in highly processed foods, is not good. Here is an excerpt from the [DELETE] website :

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Not being a scientist, I can't comment on this. But I have stopped using soy protein powder in my lunchtime protein shakes.

Cheers,

Mark :yawn:

Babe,

It's a LOT better than getting that 60 grams of protein from meat and dairy!

Remember, soy is a cheap competitor for meat and the meat lobby has LOTS of money, hence the proliferation of the "hate-soy" campaigns...all based on half truths and bad science.

If we eliminated all our meat and replaced it with the same protein value of soy we'd all live longer healthier lives.

I love Silk soy milk...I hear alot about problems with soy, however if its so bad then how do they explain the okinawans longevity in which soy products are a part of their diet......

I suffer from depression.

recently I started using soya milk ( as I have become vegan) over the last couple of weeks I have been severely depressed, I havent felt as low as I have in a long time.

Well I was reading this book of mine about foods that effect your mood and one of the top five bad mood foods listed was soya!

So i did some more reasearch and found that Soy can cause depression

Now I dont know how much of this is true - I like to keep an open mind about wht I read on the net but I decided to stop the soy and funnily enough I have felt so much better.

Maybe it is coinsdence! :confused: I am not sure.

Cos I have also read about the benifits of soy!

thank you everyone for your input!! <3

I just bought my first block of Tofu. Gonna cook it tonight.
I aint skeerd!:D

.... It's a LOT better than getting that 60 grams of protein from meat and dairy! ......
Does this pass the common sense test?

If it were true, surely evolution would have steered us in this direction during the past ,say, million years. Instead, our paleolithic ancestors thrived on the consumption of animal proteins and fats. They did so well on this diet that they rose to the top of the food chain and took control of the planet. Our metabolisms developed to make the most of these foods. And we are the final result of this process. High-carb and vegetarian diets simply don't suit our highly evolved and sophisticated metabolism.

So, no, the statement above doesn't make much sense. The transition to a high-carbohydrate and vegetable protein diet over the last 10,000 years hasn't done the health status of the human race any good. And if you insist on eating foods that your body has difficulty metabolising, don't be surprised if you don't feel so good.

The leading food allergens are gluten (from wheat), casein (from milk), soy and corn. They cause a whole range of problems because our bodies were never designed for their consumption. They are neolithic foods that have only recently (in evolutionary terms terms) been introduced into the food supply. I would add sugar to the list of dangerous foods.

Ultimately, these foods are responsible for what meat products are blamed for - high cholesterol and heart disease.

Just my 2 cents worth,

Mark :p

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There is certainly lots of information out there pro and con soy. And with Monsanto and Arthur Daniel Midlands having soy interests, I think there is plenty of money around to counter any alleged anti-soy propaganda.

Personally, I only eat soy in fermented form. Never touch soy milk or any of the soy phony foods.

But on the too much of a "good" thing question . . . one thing on which just about everyone seems to agree is that it is best to eat a variety of foods. So on that alone it does not seem a good idea to get so much of your protein from one source.

Anyone who thinks there's anything "paleolithic" about the steers, chickens and pigs in the food aisle had best think again.

Just because the meat industry has wealthy societies brainwashed into thinking that civilized societies ALWAYS ate that way that doesn't make it so.
Bread has been called the staff of life for millennia...not so for steak!

When Esau sold his biblical birthright to Jacob, it was for a bowl of pottage...lentils, the first cousin of soybeans, not for a well marbelled Delmonico or a foot of greasy sausage. That switch to massive amounts of meat eaten every day is what is transforming many societies into popuulations tossing a coin as to what will get them first, cancer or heart disease. And it/s happening in the matter of a century, not an Earth changing eon.

Soy as a protein source is FAR healthier in every way than meat...ask any of the billion Chinese or Japanese on the planet.

Asians don't eat a lot of soy. It is merely a condiment to their diet.

Just because the meat industry has wealthy societies brainwashed into thinking that civilized societies ALWAYS ate that way that doesn't make it so.
This is a new one. Granted, the various meat producing groups spend lots of money to get people to consume their particular meat, but what's this about "civilized societies ALWAYS" eating WHAT way?

Do you think the meat industry influences all the archaeologists who have found increasing numbers of animals bones in the fossil record associated with increasingly evolved hominids?

Bread has been called the staff of life for millennia...not so for steak!
But what does that mean, exactly. Perhaps just that it is always there when there is nothing better to be found.

And since you have brought up this:

Anyone who thinks there's anything "paleolithic" about the steers, chickens and pigs in the food aisle had best think again.

do you think the bread most people are consuming today in the western world bears any resemble to whatever was referred to as the staff of life way back when?

That switch to massive amounts of meat eaten every day is what is transforming many societies into popuulations tossing a coin as to what will get them first, cancer or heart disease.
With all your reading, surely you are well aware that meat is not the only possible factor.

Soy as a protein source is FAR healthier in every way than meat.
You've never before struck me as being prone to dramatics, Lenin. But, goodness, that statement is a corker!

...ask any of the billion Chinese or Japanese on the planet.
Again, along the lines of bearing any resemblance . . . maybe if I start to see pictures of Sichuanese pigging out on Garden Burgers and Soy Dream I'll reconsider the soy issue.

Hello! I am new to the healthboards website, and I would like to share my input about soy, because I truly feel passionate about it! I am lactose intolerant and am very nutrition-minded, so I am much happier using Silk milk than cow milk. I recently started to branch out with my soy, and found baked tofu from whitewave foods, that is already cooked and marinated. It is quite delicious, and since I have never actually tried to cook/prepare plain tofu, it is handy. Does anyone have any advice on cooking plain tofu? Oh, and I also found Tofutti brand cuties- like ice cream sandwiches. Yum.

I have also researched and found some negative info. about soy- especially the soy in baby formulas. But I also read that the way the US prepares soy, some of the essential amino acids become stripped, making the product not as nutritionally sound. This kind of information scares me, but it also makes me angry, because the conflicting information (good vs. bad) is pathetic, and that means that someone out there is wrong and the research is not sound, yet they are spreading their opinions nonetheless. I for one will continue to consume soy, though. It's just so confusing and conflicting!

I just wanted to share my soy joy! Thanks!
Neelia118

Mark1e,
So you're saying that humans shouldn't consume many vegetables, and should stick to meat instead? Vegetables have been proven time and time again to be one of the healthiest foods for humans to eat. I don't remember red meat being easy to digest? From what I've heard, it's one of the hardest things for the human body to digest. There are countless numbers of vegetarians that are living long, and healthy lives. So I'm not sure where your statement was coming from? Meat isn't needed in the human diet.

My concern about soy is this...

soya is often reccomended to menopausal women to relieve the symptoms of hot flushes etc. This is because it mimics oestrogens!!! oestrogens block the effect of thyroxine. (if you have hypothyroididsm and are on HRT you cannot take them within 8 hrs of each other) Does this mean that more people will develop thyroid disorders which can also lead to heart problems, raised cholestrol, type 2 diabetes, oestoporosis?

I am not against soya, I just think more research needs to be done before we call it safe or unsafe, but in my opinion how many 'wonder' products have been prescribed/sold only to be withdrawn a few yrs later because some effects do not show for a number of years? baby formula milks are a classic example of this, when they were introduced in the 60's we were told by the experts that it was better than breast milk for the baby. We now know different, but not before we produced a whole generation of obese, ill people.
As I said this is just my opinion.
daisy

In my opinion, soy in moderation;) , and lean organic meats, lots of veggies and fruits.;) I wouldn't go buck wild on the soy though, but that's just me.:p

As always, moderation in everything is the key.

Pinstripedbabe, I can't say too much about eating soyburgers or the such but I am very concerned about the use of soy in all our food, in places you would never look for it. I am not able to eat it because of a thyroid situation but I find it hard to do because it is everywhere. What worries me is how these polyunsaturated oils are made....first they extract it from the seeds and believe it or not they use petroleum-based solvents to do this, ever hear of Benzene. After they have extracted the oils this way they have to boil the oil to get most of the solvent out but unfortunately there is still 10 parts per million left in the oil. Benzene is a known cancer causer. But they are not done with it yet, they have to degum it, bleach it, neutralize it, deoderise it, emulsify it and heat it using a solution of caustic soda, and it goes on and on. It is no longer a healthful oil by any standards. I always know when I have eaten it because it causes my system to make gas. We need to listen to our bodies. Our children are becoming so fat and look around at the adults and consider that soy blocks our thyroid and slows our metabolism, then go to the pantry and read the labels and see how much of our food has soy oil.:rolleyes:

....... But they are not done with it yet, they have to degum it, bleach it, neutralize it, deoderise it, emulsify it and heat it using a solution of caustic soda, and it goes on and on. It is no longer a healthful oil by any standards. .....:rolleyes:
Canola oil, which has also become ubiquitous in processed foods, goes through similar destructive manufacturing processes. In addition to the toxins introduced in the manufacturing process, intense heat causes oxidation of the inherently unstable polyunsaturated fats. This creates free radicals, which as we all know, are carcinogenic. The notion that these oils are healthy simply because they are polyunsaturated is blatant marketing hype.

This, Concerned Male, is why animal proteins and fats are much better for you. As a male, you should also be concerned about the phyto-oestrogens in soy protein. Once again, animal products propelled the highly successful evolution of the human species over a period spanning millions of years. So why would you want to mess with it? As they say in the classics, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Mark ;)

Anyone worried about the "horrors" of inconsequential plant enzymes who instead turns to cattle that are pumped full of antibiotics and growth hormones is indeed being inconsistent in the extreme.

Canola, corn and soy oils are mother's milk compared to the rendered slab of Frankenfat from todays' steer or pig.

ay yay yay.