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kelsey1
07-29-2006, 09:19 AM
Hi all,
I just got out of the hospital i was in there for 3 days with a gallbaldder disease and gallstones. I called my pm dr before i went to the er he told me to go to a certain hosptial,so i did. So after i was in the back at the er they gave me a shot of something for pain, i figured this was ok since my pm dr was the one that sent me to him. Also when i went to get my wisdom teeth pull out and i told him before i my appt that i was getting put to alsleep,he said this was fine just don't fill any controled subs. Anyway, i never gave the shots the dr gave me in the hopstial any thought since i didn't fill any meds but a friend from work said that in the pain contract it states not to obtain any controled substances (which to me means don't get a script) so i don't know if she is right or if i am right.So now i am worried,so please if anyones know the answer to this question or has had this happen to them please let me know thanks kelsey

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ozzybug
07-29-2006, 09:58 AM
Kelsey-
Your pm doctor told you which hospital to go to and also told you it's ok for your dentist to remove your wisdom teeth. He said this is ok, but told you not to get any kind of written scrips filled. He was very clear about this.

You were honest with your pm doctor which is a good thing. As long as you followed his instructions and only had the injections given to you while IN the ER and dental office, and did NOT get any written scrips filled then you should be fine. If the ER or the dentist did give you a written scrip, then turn that paper in to your pm doctor. Like I said, as long as you didn't have a written scrip filled, you are ok.

I don't think your pm doctor would have told you it's ok to go to the ER for treatment if he was going to release you from his practice for following his instructions.

It is scarey sometimes dealing with the strict rules of pain management, but as long as we do as the pm doctor instructs us to do, things are ok.

Lezlee

Shoreline
07-29-2006, 10:08 AM
Hi Kelsy, This is actually covered in my contract, It does say not to shop for or obtain any meds or controlled drugs thafor the condition that I am presently treated, But it also says if I have surgery or a denatl prcedure not to use my CPmedication to deal with acute injury or, procedure or surgery. I should obtitain proper medeication from the treating dr or dentist and notify the clinci with 72 hours. This is actually printed on the back of every prescription along with some of the other basics. Contracts are not meant to prevent you from recieving medical or dental treatnment and just because you are taking meds prescribed by a PM doc for a headach, back pain, neck andor facial pain , whatever reason, doesn't mean you now have to be super woman and if you need a root canal, the dentist can't prescribe or if you break you ankle the ER doc can't give yu anything. Contracts are means to inform you of policy and the seriousnessof using these meds. They shoudn't be designed to make you suffer.

Just beause you are taking eds for some other reason doean't mean you can't experience pain from a completely different reason I would just notify he doc, you were sen by the ER for whatever the probelem is and X, Y and Z is how they treated you. Now if your problemis bheadhaches and he's managing your headaches, and uses BT meds, you shouldn't need to go to the ER for headaches. IF he's managing back pain, you shouldn't go to the ER for back pain. But contracts aren't meant yo keep you from seking medical attn for other problems, the docs don't want you t use your PM meds to manage the pain of knocking 3 teeth out and needing major dental work. IT's really not compllicated if you don't over think it. You should tel who ever is treating you what meds your on so your not given something that might interact. But just because I have a pump and roxiccodone at home, MY doc doesn't expect me to sit at home and eat my oxy to manage a apendasitis or any other medical emergency. My dentist has given my vicodin after an extraction and tmy clinic has no problem. It the only example that's ever come up for me.

If your not being treated for tby your M doc for the condition you were seen in the ER for, you should be able to seek treatment and not worry about your contract. If you break a leg and the bone is sticking out, don't call you PM and ask if it's OK to go tothe ER. The docs ecpect us to have some common sense and manage our medical emeergencies without bothering them after hours or on the wekend. MY OPM doc can't do anything for a compound fracture when it's satursday, the ofice is closed and their office is't set up to deal with every possible emergncy. If they gave you an anti indlamatory or a med to prevent gastric spasm, just cal monda and inform them thatis is what was done and this is whow they treated me and with what meds.

Getting a shot is not the same as doc shopping althouhg every ER has their frequent dfriday night flyers.

If your being seen by the PM doc,for the same problem. There isn't much any ER doc is going to prescribe that we don't already have something twice as strong at home for. IF you need a shot to manage the pain in order to get through the diagnostics, that's not the same as filling a script and bringing the DEA, board of pharmacy, the local medical board and police into the picture wondering why you have multiple docs prescribing opiates for the same problem. That's what they don't want you doing. I think your friend is over thinking the situation and you have nothing to worry about. I would call the PM cliinic and let them now you were seen, the DX, the treatment plan and what meds were given IM or IV but no written scripts were requested,provided or filled but they may want you to follow up with a specialist in the field of whatever probelem brought you to the ER if not your CP problem..

Contracts are common sense. IF you have back pain, and you start slipping on the stairs every friday night and have to be seen by the ER to be sure you didn't cause aditional damage and to get that shot of demi or any opiate, then you would be on slipery ground. This seems unrelated and would be unusually cruel to tell someone they can't be treeated with pain meds for any condition, now that you have a PM doc prescribing meds for a chronic condition. They really don't want you burning through your BT meds to manage the pain from a broken arm or a toot extraction or any unrelated probelem to the one your being treated by the PM doc for. As long as the prescribing docs knows all the meds your PM doc is prescribing, your doing everything you legally need to do.

Good luck and I hope your feeling better soon. Dave

zach016
07-29-2006, 10:19 AM
Hi Kelsey,

I doubt very much if your PM Dr. would be upset it you had an injection at the ER. When my Dr. has sent me to the hospital for this or that, he will have phoned ahead of my arrival and arranged for my care so he/she may have even ordered the injection for you, I know mine has. He/she probably rec. a copy of your visit since he directed you to that hospital.

I would be cautious about talking about meds. and things like that with anyone other than your Dr. and spouse though. So many pain patients have meds. stolen nowdays!

zach

kelsey1
07-29-2006, 07:21 PM
thanks guys,
i feel so much better.I know i didn't do anything wrong when i went to the hopsptil i told them that my pm dr sent me there and i told them his name # .So i just thought they were working together because if not what diffence did it make which hosptil i went to. Thanks so much guys. Have a great pain free day... kelsey





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