Lil'Pea
09-07-2006, 11:41 AM
Hello all....
My mom just found out yesterday that she has very high good and bad cholesterol. She asked me to do some online research to see if I could learn of some natural options. She does not want to take Lipitor as her mother had some problems with it. Does anyone have any suggestions that have worked for them?
Thank you!
Lil'Pea
My mom just found out yesterday that she has very high good and bad cholesterol. She asked me to do some online research to see if I could learn of some natural options. She does not want to take Lipitor as her mother had some problems with it. Does anyone have any suggestions that have worked for them?
Thank you!
Lil'Pea
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edkal
09-07-2006, 10:48 PM
You can try Beta Sitisterol -2 -twice a day, Red Yeast Rice - 2 - twice a day and No flush niacin 1 three times a day. These are are all natural and have lowered my Lipids to the normal range.
These can be purchased at most health food stores [removed]
I have been taking the above now for over 7 months with good results.
These can be purchased at most health food stores [removed]
I have been taking the above now for over 7 months with good results.
Lil'Pea
09-07-2006, 11:08 PM
Thank you so much! I will pass this info on to her and see how it goes. How long before you started noticing results?
Lil'Pea
Lil'Pea
mmvic
09-07-2006, 11:50 PM
Search for articles by Dr Dean Hornish in recent on line and print publications. He is a big proponent of both low fat and vegetarian diet and natural remedies like red yeast rice, pantethine, beta sitosterol and others.
edkal
09-08-2006, 12:20 AM
Thank you so much! I will pass this info on to her and see how it goes. How long before you started noticing results?
Lil'Pea
I noticed some results in 30 days. However the full efect did not take place for several months. Have her stick to it for several months for more accurate results.
Forgot to mention No Odor Garlic Caps. This is really a centuries old remedy for all ill's. Great for blood pressure too.
Mom can check out the results from her regular blood workup from her Dr. I had very high chloesterol, in the 500 range years ago when I was in my forties and have been on almost every Satin drug on the mkt.that has come out in the last 31 yeras. My last one was Lipitor. As the new meds. came out, my Dr. would put me on them and eventually the satins caught up with me with very bad side effects and I have been off them now for 8 months. I go in for my blood workup results tomorrow. My last one was in the normal range of 200. Lower would be better, but considering Lipitor @ 40mg only brought it down to 220 - 230 range, this is not too bad. As you can see on this board there are a lot of people who had side effects from Satins.
Taking everything in perspective, the all natural method seems to be the best route at this time.
Lil'Pea
I noticed some results in 30 days. However the full efect did not take place for several months. Have her stick to it for several months for more accurate results.
Forgot to mention No Odor Garlic Caps. This is really a centuries old remedy for all ill's. Great for blood pressure too.
Mom can check out the results from her regular blood workup from her Dr. I had very high chloesterol, in the 500 range years ago when I was in my forties and have been on almost every Satin drug on the mkt.that has come out in the last 31 yeras. My last one was Lipitor. As the new meds. came out, my Dr. would put me on them and eventually the satins caught up with me with very bad side effects and I have been off them now for 8 months. I go in for my blood workup results tomorrow. My last one was in the normal range of 200. Lower would be better, but considering Lipitor @ 40mg only brought it down to 220 - 230 range, this is not too bad. As you can see on this board there are a lot of people who had side effects from Satins.
Taking everything in perspective, the all natural method seems to be the best route at this time.
Uff-Da!
09-08-2006, 12:30 AM
Eat plenty of oatmeal and legumes. Both contain substantial amounts of soluble fiber, which absorb some of the cholesterol in the intestines and usher it out of the body so it doesn't enter the bloodstream. You can also get soluble fiber from psyllium (products like Metamucil).
m.e.
09-08-2006, 08:36 AM
Hi there,
I had problems with my cholesterol, until I was told to go against the norm and eat eggs!! I now eat approx 6 orgainic / free range eggs per week and my Cholesterol levels have greatly improved...mind you I have also cut down on junk foods which I believe contribute to high levels of bad cholesterol....All just in my humble opinion.
:)
I had problems with my cholesterol, until I was told to go against the norm and eat eggs!! I now eat approx 6 orgainic / free range eggs per week and my Cholesterol levels have greatly improved...mind you I have also cut down on junk foods which I believe contribute to high levels of bad cholesterol....All just in my humble opinion.
:)
Bunnylady
09-19-2006, 11:07 PM
to do the same thing as 20 mg Lipitor take
1 81mg of buffered aspirin
100-150 mg of CoQ10
B vitamin complex with folic acid
Fish oil no limit
L- Carnitine- 400 mg
found in a book [removed] written by a doctor who was a former astronaut
1 81mg of buffered aspirin
100-150 mg of CoQ10
B vitamin complex with folic acid
Fish oil no limit
L- Carnitine- 400 mg
found in a book [removed] written by a doctor who was a former astronaut
mod-anon
09-20-2006, 02:13 AM
Please honor your membership agreement. Please read and follow the posting rules.
Do not post info on how to find websites.
Do not post info on how to find websites.
Bunnylady
09-20-2006, 07:19 PM
to the list add 1,000 mg of Vitamin C- forgot that one
Red Yeast can give a person the same symptoms that a statin drug will give certain people- be careful of it
Red Yeast can give a person the same symptoms that a statin drug will give certain people- be careful of it
chj
09-21-2006, 09:07 AM
Apparently red yeat rice is the same ingredient as in Mevacor.
PollyAnn
09-21-2006, 10:54 AM
YES, Red Yeast Rice is a mild statin sold over the counter. It does contain the same ingredients in statin's.
Sadly, since it's sold without a prescription people assume it's safe.
Actually, here in the USA, it was once pulled off the marketing shelves but slowly has been showing up again! Dangerous!
PollyAnn
Sadly, since it's sold without a prescription people assume it's safe.
Actually, here in the USA, it was once pulled off the marketing shelves but slowly has been showing up again! Dangerous!
PollyAnn
BamaC
09-21-2006, 02:12 PM
Pollyann, I thought the FDA pulled Red Yeast Rice because it was being sold as a supplement and FDA considered it a food. Don't think they actually said it was dangerous, did they? I hope not because my neice has been on it for three or four years now. She's had no problems at all with it. In two months it brought her TC from 300 to 190, and it has stayed below 200 ever since. She was only in her early 20's when diagnosed and didn't want to start on prescription drugs when she was so young.
PollyAnn
09-21-2006, 05:30 PM
BamaC,
My comment about it being dangerous was meant because in all reality it is a statin. People think because they can purchase it freely in any vitamin/health shop that there is no side effects or need for supervision like prescribed statins. That's what’s dangerous.
In two months it brought her TC from 300 to 190, and it has stayed below 200 ever since. She was only in her early 20's when diagnosed and didn't want to start on prescription drugs when she was so young.
I'm glad your niece has gotten positive results rather then being started on full statins at such a young age. I come from a background of family with heart/cholesterol issues. I lost my sister to heart disease in her 20's and my nephew (was always a picky eater) had a cholesterol range of 300 at age 11 and it wasn't because of improper diet. He is now married with children of his own and wonders if family history will deal them the same deck of cards. My younger sister had quadruple bypass surgery 2 months after her 40th birthday. That was 5 years ago and her cholesterol is still not within a decent range. I have another sister that is in the mist of becoming a Naturopath and she seems to have her cholesterol very well under control but that is all done with constant hard work. Her same methods for control do nothing for me! I also have another sister that now walks with a limp from past statin use. Life sure does treat us all differently, uh?
Whether it's Red Yeast Rice, Sytrinol, statins or anything else the choice is ours but all needs to be done with caution and never taken for lightly.
PollyAnn
My comment about it being dangerous was meant because in all reality it is a statin. People think because they can purchase it freely in any vitamin/health shop that there is no side effects or need for supervision like prescribed statins. That's what’s dangerous.
In two months it brought her TC from 300 to 190, and it has stayed below 200 ever since. She was only in her early 20's when diagnosed and didn't want to start on prescription drugs when she was so young.
I'm glad your niece has gotten positive results rather then being started on full statins at such a young age. I come from a background of family with heart/cholesterol issues. I lost my sister to heart disease in her 20's and my nephew (was always a picky eater) had a cholesterol range of 300 at age 11 and it wasn't because of improper diet. He is now married with children of his own and wonders if family history will deal them the same deck of cards. My younger sister had quadruple bypass surgery 2 months after her 40th birthday. That was 5 years ago and her cholesterol is still not within a decent range. I have another sister that is in the mist of becoming a Naturopath and she seems to have her cholesterol very well under control but that is all done with constant hard work. Her same methods for control do nothing for me! I also have another sister that now walks with a limp from past statin use. Life sure does treat us all differently, uh?
Whether it's Red Yeast Rice, Sytrinol, statins or anything else the choice is ours but all needs to be done with caution and never taken for lightly.
PollyAnn
BamaC
09-22-2006, 03:41 PM
Pollyann, you're right about its being a statin, although weaker than its pres. counterparts. My neice started this with her dr.'s knowledge, and of course, she has it checked regularly. She also takes silymarin for liver protection and C0Q10. I've seen posts from others on this board who said the red yeast rice didn't work for them, but Stacy has had excellent results with it. It's just a question of finding what works for yourself. Here's hoping the IHN does it for me. Are you still taking 1000mg. daily? Anymore problems with blood sugar?
PollyAnn
09-22-2006, 05:30 PM
Yep, I'm still taking the niacin 500mg - 2 xday. I don't have any problems since I dropped the extra dose. My sugar readings have returned back to normal. I even ate a lunch and thought I may have eaten too much but my after meal reading was 121. Who knows maybe the niacin is even helping my sugar after all.
I came across an interesting very detailed reading about niacin. It was recommended to take 500mg-3xday for 2 full weeks, then 1000mg 3xday for 2 full weeks, and then back to 500mg for 2 full weeks. You should then test at 6 weeks and if niacin works for you - you'll see a slight decrease in numbers but you won't see the full effect until 4-6 months. If normal numbers are achieved before the 4-6 months you should discontinue use.
From what I understand (although my head is still spinning from all the mixed niacin information) Niacin lowers your cholesterol to where is should be and keeps it there after you stop taking it. With a statin - your numbers will stay down as long as you are on the statin but once you stop they go up again.
I now have positive feelings that the niacin is working for me - even if my results come back with a slight change - that will make a big difference to me.
AND...How’s it going for you? Have you've been checking your sugar while taking it? Remember to take it with a full meal. I took it with a light meal and felt it in my stomach.
PollyAnn
I came across an interesting very detailed reading about niacin. It was recommended to take 500mg-3xday for 2 full weeks, then 1000mg 3xday for 2 full weeks, and then back to 500mg for 2 full weeks. You should then test at 6 weeks and if niacin works for you - you'll see a slight decrease in numbers but you won't see the full effect until 4-6 months. If normal numbers are achieved before the 4-6 months you should discontinue use.
From what I understand (although my head is still spinning from all the mixed niacin information) Niacin lowers your cholesterol to where is should be and keeps it there after you stop taking it. With a statin - your numbers will stay down as long as you are on the statin but once you stop they go up again.
I now have positive feelings that the niacin is working for me - even if my results come back with a slight change - that will make a big difference to me.
AND...How’s it going for you? Have you've been checking your sugar while taking it? Remember to take it with a full meal. I took it with a light meal and felt it in my stomach.
PollyAnn
BamaC
09-23-2006, 01:34 PM
Pollyann, if it's true that cholesterol will stay lower even after a person stops taking the niacin, that is wonderful news indeed! Does your niacin contain magnesium stearate, stearic acid, or calcium stearate? One of the sites said either of these would keep the niacin from being absorbed properly. Yet another site said that wasn't accurate. Have you run across any info about that?
As for the blood sugar, I've never had a problem with that, thank the Lord, so I don't test for that.Do you have full-blown diabetes? If so, what do you take for that?
As for the blood sugar, I've never had a problem with that, thank the Lord, so I don't test for that.Do you have full-blown diabetes? If so, what do you take for that?
PollyAnn
09-28-2006, 10:09 PM
Does your niacin contain magnesium stearate, stearic acid, or calcium stearate. One of the sites said either of these would keep the niacin from being absorbed properly?
I first bought the Solgar brand but then decided on NOW-Flush-Free Niacin because it only had one additive (Guar Gum). It never affected my glucose readings even though it is a sugar additive. I control my diabetes with diet, exercise and diabetic supplements. I was told I needed meds. But refused so I am careful when it comes to trying new supplements for cholesterol control as to not offset my sugar.
** This weekend I will yet again be switching to NOW-Niacinamide (Gelatin is the only additive). As the colder weather comes in - I start to have issues with arthritis and Niacinamide is said to be a good all around type of Niacin that aids in arthritis, diabetes, and cholesterol control.
PollyAnn
I first bought the Solgar brand but then decided on NOW-Flush-Free Niacin because it only had one additive (Guar Gum). It never affected my glucose readings even though it is a sugar additive. I control my diabetes with diet, exercise and diabetic supplements. I was told I needed meds. But refused so I am careful when it comes to trying new supplements for cholesterol control as to not offset my sugar.
** This weekend I will yet again be switching to NOW-Niacinamide (Gelatin is the only additive). As the colder weather comes in - I start to have issues with arthritis and Niacinamide is said to be a good all around type of Niacin that aids in arthritis, diabetes, and cholesterol control.
PollyAnn
Lenin
09-29-2006, 12:20 PM
Niacinamide has no effect on cholesterol levels; ONLY niacin, AKA nicotinic acid which can be fast acting pure niacin, slow release formulations, or inositol hexanicotinoate...but NOT niacinamide.
Niacin is quite effective much more quicky than 6 months...a couple weeks to a month will show its full potential.
No, it is not curative in that if one takes niacin for a week, a month , a year or a decade, as soon as it is stopped the cholesterol will return to non-drug levels! In that respect it is EXACTLY like statins. Cholesterol can only be CURED by permanent dietary and lifestyle changes...the key word is PERMANENT.
THe effect of niacin on LDL and triglycerides is far smaller than most of the statins but the effect on raising HDL is where niacin shines as the winner. So those whose problem is a low HDL are the ones who most benefit from niacin.
Niacin is quite effective much more quicky than 6 months...a couple weeks to a month will show its full potential.
No, it is not curative in that if one takes niacin for a week, a month , a year or a decade, as soon as it is stopped the cholesterol will return to non-drug levels! In that respect it is EXACTLY like statins. Cholesterol can only be CURED by permanent dietary and lifestyle changes...the key word is PERMANENT.
THe effect of niacin on LDL and triglycerides is far smaller than most of the statins but the effect on raising HDL is where niacin shines as the winner. So those whose problem is a low HDL are the ones who most benefit from niacin.
PollyAnn
09-29-2006, 02:49 PM
Niacinamide has no effect on cholesterol levels; ONLY niacin, AKA nicotinic acid which can be fast acting pure niacin, slow release formulations, or inositol hexanicotinoate...but NOT niacinamide
Lenin,
My research of Niacinamide has turned facts that it MAY aid in arthritis, diabetes, and cholesterol control (just as Niacin is said it MAY help with cholesterol). If there is even a slight chance that it will help with ANY one of those or a combination of all three - I will be happy because all pertain to me. You and I both know it's a crap shoot and not even straight form niacin works for EVERYBODY.
I am very well aware that Niacin & Niacinamide act in different ways but my main issue (for this moment) is arthritis. Although my last cholesterol levels were whacky, they put me in no danger - I would just like them to be a little more reasonable.
I am not switching from NO-Flush Niacin because it hasn't worked for me but only because I have to prioritize my current health issues and Niacinamide seems to be a better bet at this time. I have no intentions of taking both Niacin and Niacinamide at the same time since are both in the niacin family.
PollyAnn
Lenin,
My research of Niacinamide has turned facts that it MAY aid in arthritis, diabetes, and cholesterol control (just as Niacin is said it MAY help with cholesterol). If there is even a slight chance that it will help with ANY one of those or a combination of all three - I will be happy because all pertain to me. You and I both know it's a crap shoot and not even straight form niacin works for EVERYBODY.
I am very well aware that Niacin & Niacinamide act in different ways but my main issue (for this moment) is arthritis. Although my last cholesterol levels were whacky, they put me in no danger - I would just like them to be a little more reasonable.
I am not switching from NO-Flush Niacin because it hasn't worked for me but only because I have to prioritize my current health issues and Niacinamide seems to be a better bet at this time. I have no intentions of taking both Niacin and Niacinamide at the same time since are both in the niacin family.
PollyAnn
MarthaJane
10-04-2006, 02:36 PM
My mother, who is 83 and has had two heart attacks in the past, also was unable to take Lipitor. The Dr. put her on two fish oil tablets with each meal. It has lowered her levels considerably and she is able to take it well, and causes no interference with her heart medications.
jakers
10-17-2006, 12:34 AM
I was on Lipitor, then Zetia and experienced side effects. I'm a professional guitar player and was getting really bad joint pain in my fingers, not good! I discontinued the doctors orders and tried natural remedies. I was recommended these remedies from the lady at the health food store with a print out of why this combination works. It did!
I took:
BHB plus (2 pills 3x a day)
Cardio Complete (2 pills 2x a day)
Policosanol (2 pills at night)
2 tbs of Flax Seed Oil (Highest Lignan) per day
I did this for 4 weeks ( the prescribed amount of time ). At the end of 4 weeks my cholesterol went from 246 to 167 !
To maintain after that you should just have to continue the flax seed oil.
Obviously results may vary as we are all different but I met several people at the heath food store with the same results. Not just word of mouth. I saw their blood work sheets.
Give it a shot!
I took:
BHB plus (2 pills 3x a day)
Cardio Complete (2 pills 2x a day)
Policosanol (2 pills at night)
2 tbs of Flax Seed Oil (Highest Lignan) per day
I did this for 4 weeks ( the prescribed amount of time ). At the end of 4 weeks my cholesterol went from 246 to 167 !
To maintain after that you should just have to continue the flax seed oil.
Obviously results may vary as we are all different but I met several people at the heath food store with the same results. Not just word of mouth. I saw their blood work sheets.
Give it a shot!
gardeninggal
10-17-2006, 11:46 AM
Hi there,
I had problems with my cholesterol, until I was told to go against the norm and eat eggs!! I now eat approx 6 orgainic / free range eggs per week and my Cholesterol levels have greatly improved...mind you I have also cut down on junk foods which I believe contribute to high levels of bad cholesterol....All just in my humble opinion.
:)
M.E, it is so funny you should mention that you have increased your egg consumption, it reminded me of something that happened years ago.... when my husband was found to have high cholesterol we were told to stop eating the 2 eggs every morning and we did. What was funny was my normally low cholesterol went up when I gave up the eggs. So much for eggs increasing your cholesterol!:rolleyes:
I had problems with my cholesterol, until I was told to go against the norm and eat eggs!! I now eat approx 6 orgainic / free range eggs per week and my Cholesterol levels have greatly improved...mind you I have also cut down on junk foods which I believe contribute to high levels of bad cholesterol....All just in my humble opinion.
:)
M.E, it is so funny you should mention that you have increased your egg consumption, it reminded me of something that happened years ago.... when my husband was found to have high cholesterol we were told to stop eating the 2 eggs every morning and we did. What was funny was my normally low cholesterol went up when I gave up the eggs. So much for eggs increasing your cholesterol!:rolleyes:
janeslk
10-18-2006, 10:56 AM
My mother, who is 83 and has had two heart attacks in the past, also was unable to take Lipitor. The Dr. put her on two fish oil tablets with each meal. It has lowered her levels considerably and she is able to take it well, and causes no interference with her heart medications.
I was reading an article the other day which said European doctors are amazed that American doctors ignore Omega 3. Apparently, it is standard practice in Europe to advise patients with heart problems to take Omega 3, both as a preventative and after heart surgery. BTW, the article was not found in a supplement catalog, but in a weekly news magazine.
I was reading an article the other day which said European doctors are amazed that American doctors ignore Omega 3. Apparently, it is standard practice in Europe to advise patients with heart problems to take Omega 3, both as a preventative and after heart surgery. BTW, the article was not found in a supplement catalog, but in a weekly news magazine.
argie
10-19-2006, 12:55 PM
Two other natural remedies include plant sterols and OatVantage both of which can be purchased in dietary supplement form. I believe that ever since the Merck won a patent infringement suit against importers of Red Rice Yeast, the current product on the marker does not contain any active.
moderator2
10-20-2006, 01:18 AM
Please honor your membership agreement.
edkal
11-01-2006, 12:33 AM
to the list add 1,000 mg of Vitamin C- forgot that one
Red Yeast can give a person the same symptoms that a statin drug will give certain people- be careful of it
I have been on this now for over 8 months with no side effects from Red Yeast Rice, (RYR). The properties of satins is so small that it poses no problem for most people. You have to try it and see for yourself. It is used by thousands of people and also used by the Chinese for centuries.
Don't knock it before you try it.
Red Yeast can give a person the same symptoms that a statin drug will give certain people- be careful of it
I have been on this now for over 8 months with no side effects from Red Yeast Rice, (RYR). The properties of satins is so small that it poses no problem for most people. You have to try it and see for yourself. It is used by thousands of people and also used by the Chinese for centuries.
Don't knock it before you try it.
AFH
11-01-2006, 11:00 AM
You have to try it and see for yourself.
Don't knock it before you try it.
:dizzy: There are lot's of over the counter Natural Remedies, you need to be just as careful using them as you do any prescribed drug.
NOBODY should try something just because it worked fine for another EXSPEACIALLY something such as Red Rice Yeast.
*Education makes you a wiser consumer!
AFH
Don't knock it before you try it.
:dizzy: There are lot's of over the counter Natural Remedies, you need to be just as careful using them as you do any prescribed drug.
NOBODY should try something just because it worked fine for another EXSPEACIALLY something such as Red Rice Yeast.
*Education makes you a wiser consumer!
AFH