remybur12
10-27-2006, 02:04 PM
I have not went to sleep for 6 days. I have tried ambien, lunesta, restoril, prosom, halcion, and oxazepam. I have chornic insomnia due to my rds please help me
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Lduby
10-27-2006, 03:22 PM
I'm on xanax .5. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't...just like you I have chronic insominia it sucks, it's stressful and I'm sick of it...but hang in there your not alone.
remybur12
10-27-2006, 03:43 PM
I e-mailed my doctor and he told me that he's going to put me on dalmane
30mg I asked him about xanax and he told me that the dalmane would help me better. thank you lduby for the positive feedback i really need it at this point in time
30mg I asked him about xanax and he told me that the dalmane would help me better. thank you lduby for the positive feedback i really need it at this point in time
ThaiBoxa
10-27-2006, 08:19 PM
Benzodiazepines are dose dependent, in other words at certain doses they are equally as strong, the only difference between some is duration of action. In my experience I have noticed Xanax to be the best choice, but at 2mg. which is a high dose. Regardless, I would strongly recommend staying away from them when needed for chronic sleep problems. They are just as addictive as opiates and the withdrawal is more severe than one from heroin, seriously. You can actually die from a benzo withdrawal. I suffer from the same problem, and have tried as many products as you. Now, I am on a combination of Seroquil and Trazadone (400mg/200mg) and have had great success. They are non-addictive and are safe for long term use.
anytimetennis
10-28-2006, 02:11 AM
Help me out here, I'm a beginner on this site. What is rds? I have chronic insomnia (inherited from my dad). I can go to sleep but I'll wake after 3 hrs and then it'll take hours for me to sleep again but it's never restfull or long (2nd sleep is approx. 1 hr long). I've been on lunesta and terazosin for almost 2 years now. It helps but it's no miracle drug. Anybody try Rozerem?
ThaiBoxa
10-28-2006, 02:16 PM
I have tried Rozerem, and was not impressed with it at all. But thats only because my insomnia is severe. Rozerem would probably work well for those with minor insomnia issues, but not for those who have chronic sleep problems and have not responded well with other drugs.
mabent
10-28-2006, 02:53 PM
Hi - From my experience with sleep medications, I would advise you, as the others have, to stay away from the benzodiazapines. I once took them for sleeping at night, but I had to keep upping the dose in order for it to work.
I believe that your system gets used to it. I was taking Valium, which I think is the strongest. When I finally decided to stop taking it, I had terrible withdrawal symptoms. I have been taking Trazadone, which used to be used as an antidepressant years ago; then they found that it made people too sleepy, so the doctors began prescribing it as a sleep medication. I agree with the other poster who said that it is non-addictive; however, perhaps it could be for some people. I really like the results!
Good luck! :)
I believe that your system gets used to it. I was taking Valium, which I think is the strongest. When I finally decided to stop taking it, I had terrible withdrawal symptoms. I have been taking Trazadone, which used to be used as an antidepressant years ago; then they found that it made people too sleepy, so the doctors began prescribing it as a sleep medication. I agree with the other poster who said that it is non-addictive; however, perhaps it could be for some people. I really like the results!
Good luck! :)
remybur12
11-02-2006, 04:39 PM
I cannot take trazodone because of the adverse effects it has on me. I get a bad headache and I then throw up and then it acts like a stimulant. I tried every thing but dalmane works the best. I suggest the benzo-phobics to check out this site www.psychservices.psychiatryonline.org/cgi/content/full/
54/7/1006 read their research its very true.
54/7/1006 read their research its very true.
Lduby
11-06-2006, 02:47 PM
I agree with remybur12. Xanax is very helpful to me and many of my family members who take them for anxiety disorder. i just take 1 a day and I'm not addicted...also i sometime miss a dose and never feel like I am going through withdrawl. Trazadone didn't work for me either....I couldn't fall asleep on it. It gave me a huge headache. I threw up and then shook all day long. xanax (a benzo) was the only thing that helped.
curt g
11-07-2006, 04:01 PM
I found that xanax tops the charts 6mgs xanax=120mgs of valium.
CURT G.
CURT G.
curt g
11-07-2006, 04:48 PM
This is curt g's girlfriend... I've been dealing with chronic insomnia all my life (36 years) I just went to Swedish Sleep Institute and I was given a 10 day trial of Rozerem. I've been using it for 7 days now. It works for me. I have deeper and more restful sleep. I finally feel well rested when I wake up. The doc said you could tell by taking it one night if it will help, and she was right. The first 4 nights it really helped me get to sleep with 30 minutes or less. And it's suppose to be non-addictive and once the body clock is reset, should be able to go off it with no problem. I'll keep anyone updated that wants to know.
curt g. via girlfriend
curt g. via girlfriend
Lduby
11-08-2006, 12:51 PM
That's great for you. I think more of my problem is anxiety disorder causing the insomnia. So xanax is good for me for now. I however do not have an addicting personality. I feel that if taking one pill of xanax at night is not going to help my heart stop pounding or my brain "snapping" awake then I just won't sleep that night. I won't up the prescription just to sleep. Let me know how everything goes for you with the Roserm(sp0 I may try it eventually.
bulletinboard25
11-08-2006, 07:45 PM
Yes, Curt G has it a little bit off.
.5mg Xanax=1mg Ativan
.5mg Xanax=5mg Valium
1mg Ativan=5mg Valium
So, 2mg of Ativan=10mg of Valium.
6mg of Xanax=60mg of Valium.
.5mg Xanax=1mg Ativan
.5mg Xanax=5mg Valium
1mg Ativan=5mg Valium
So, 2mg of Ativan=10mg of Valium.
6mg of Xanax=60mg of Valium.
rhondala
03-28-2007, 02:39 AM
I have done research on this out of curiosity, and the one that is the strongest is Klonopin. Klonopin is normally given to people with bipolar disorder and people with epilepsy. I think there is some controversy about Klonopin and Xanax. I have taken most all benzodiazepines, and Xanax makes me the sleepiest and it is addictive, because the affects of it are short acting. It makes people feel the need to want more, and I got into trouble with them. Withdrawl is horrific, and it takes a Doctor to really help you get off of them. I really caution people about this medication over a long period of time. Just talk to your doctor about it. As for Klonopin, I prefer it for my bipolar disorder because it lasts a long time in your system. Though it does not have the quick affect of Xanax, it helps me with anxiety more because it seems to stay in your system longer. It too is addictive. It just seemed when being weened off of Klonopin to a lower dose was easier than being weened off Xanax. I do believe people really need to always stay in contact with your doctor and make sure you are taking the right dosage. Withdrawl is very scary, but if you need a medication..make sure you are taking it correctly.
As for sleeping disorders, I really have no clue why they would prescribe a benzo. With all the sleeping medications out there, I really do not understand a benzo for a sleeping disorder.
To anyone reading this, just always keep in touch with your doctor. Take the right dosage, and if you feel you are chemically dependent...get a doctor's help. Never stop cold turkey.
As for sleeping disorders, I really have no clue why they would prescribe a benzo. With all the sleeping medications out there, I really do not understand a benzo for a sleeping disorder.
To anyone reading this, just always keep in touch with your doctor. Take the right dosage, and if you feel you are chemically dependent...get a doctor's help. Never stop cold turkey.
shane24
03-31-2007, 10:42 PM
Actually the most strongest Benzo is a drug called Versed (Midazolam). But they only use it at the hospital for conscious sedation along with Fentanyl. Although they actually do make a Versed Syrup base solution for people that have really bad seizures. The pharmacist told me that the most powerful benzo presribed is Triazolam. I have trouble sleeping as well. I take 40mg's of Valium at once, and it does nothing at all, it has no effect on me. But Triazolam is supposed to be great for insomnia, it's all about the dosing.
PA1NK1LLER
11-15-2007, 01:18 PM
My doctor told me that Rozerem is a sleeping pill that is designed to work quite differently than traditional sleep medications. It works by effecting the melatonin levels in your brain. Melatonin is released by the pineal gland in the brain at night time to help us sleep. Rozerem has to be taken for several days before it achieves its desired effect. I have spoken with some people and I get more negative feedback than positive. Most people say its crap and did not help them at all but medication acts differently to different people. I say its worth a shot cause you got nothing to lose by trying it. Also, you can buy Melatonin at your local grocery store,GNC, or pharmacy over the counter. It comes in strengths of 1-3mgs. I am not a big fan of the herbal remedies but I have tried Valerian Root and liked it a lot. It smell really bad but it helps. Other drugs that may help for sleep but require a doctors prescription are, Doxepin, Trazadone, Neurontin, Serequel, *****n, lunesta (my friend takes this and really raves about it)...stay away from Halcion cuz it has been linked to sleep walking and other bad side effects. Good Luck To you
PHARMAGURU
07-28-2008, 04:21 PM
Actually the most strongest Benzo is a drug called Versed (Midazolam). But they only use it at the hospital for conscious sedation along with Fentanyl. Although they actually do make a Versed Syrup base solution for people that have really bad seizures. The pharmacist told me that the most powerful benzo presribed is Triazolam. I have trouble sleeping as well. I take 40mg's of Valium at once, and it does nothing at all, it has no effect on me. But Triazolam is supposed to be great for insomnia, it's all about the dosing.
Actually the strongest benzodiazepam is actually Flunitrazepam Rohypnol.Flunitrazepam's effects are approximately 7 to 10 times more potent than diazepam..
There is information pertaining to this Benzodiazepine on WIKI
Actually the strongest benzodiazepam is actually Flunitrazepam Rohypnol.Flunitrazepam's effects are approximately 7 to 10 times more potent than diazepam..
There is information pertaining to this Benzodiazepine on WIKI
PHARMAGURU
07-28-2008, 04:42 PM
I believe from all available data that Rohypnol which is Flunitrazepam to be the most potent benzodiazepine.I am aware of the dosaging and drug equivalencies .According to credible sources and prominent Doctors Flunitrazepam's effects are approximately 7 to 10 times more potent than diazepam. The effects of flunitrazepam appear approximately 15 to 20 minutes after oral administration, and last for approximately four to six hours. Some residual effects can persist up to 12 hours or more after administration.The drug is sometimes used as a date rape drug (commonly referred to in street slang as a "roofie").[2]
Flunitrazepam is classed as a nitrobenzodiazepine. Other nitrobenzodiazepines include nitrazepam and clonazepam.[3]
It is so powerful and illicit that it's illegal in the USA...OBVIOUSLY NO FDA APPROVAL
:nono::nono:
Flunitrazepam is classed as a nitrobenzodiazepine. Other nitrobenzodiazepines include nitrazepam and clonazepam.[3]
It is so powerful and illicit that it's illegal in the USA...OBVIOUSLY NO FDA APPROVAL
:nono::nono:
PHARMAGURU
07-28-2008, 04:51 PM
I have done research on this out of curiosity, and the one that is the strongest is Klonopin. Klonopin is normally given to people with bipolar disorder and people with epilepsy. I think there is some controversy about Klonopin and Xanax. I have taken most all benzodiazepines, and Xanax makes me the sleepiest and it is addictive, because the affects of it are short acting. It makes people feel the need to want more, and I got into trouble with them. Withdrawl is horrific, and it takes a Doctor to really help you get off of them. I really caution people about this medication over a long period of time. Just talk to your doctor about it. As for Klonopin, I prefer it for my bipolar disorder because it lasts a long time in your system. Though it does not have the quick affect of Xanax, it helps me with anxiety more because it seems to stay in your system longer. It too is addictive. It just seemed when being weened off of Klonopin to a lower dose was easier than being weened off Xanax. I do believe people really need to always stay in contact with your doctor and make sure you are taking the right dosage. Withdrawl is very scary, but if you need a medication..make sure you are taking it correctly.
As for sleeping disorders, I really have no clue why they would prescribe a benzo. With all the sleeping medications out there, I really do not understand a benzo for a sleeping disorder.
To anyone reading this, just always keep in touch with your doctor. Take the right dosage, and if you feel you are chemically dependent...get a doctor's help. Never stop cold turkey.
Actually the strongest and most potent benzodiazepine is Flunitrazepam also known as Rohypnol..
7 to 10 times more potent than (diazepam/Valium)..
I have been on Klonopin/Clonazepam for over 2 decades..
With all due respect
I dont know exactly where your research was done, concerning Clonazepam..
As for sleeping disorders, I really have no clue why they would prescribe a benzo. With all the sleeping medications out there, I really do not understand a benzo for a sleeping disorder.
To anyone reading this, just always keep in touch with your doctor. Take the right dosage, and if you feel you are chemically dependent...get a doctor's help. Never stop cold turkey.
Actually the strongest and most potent benzodiazepine is Flunitrazepam also known as Rohypnol..
7 to 10 times more potent than (diazepam/Valium)..
I have been on Klonopin/Clonazepam for over 2 decades..
With all due respect
I dont know exactly where your research was done, concerning Clonazepam..
TexMom85
07-29-2008, 03:13 AM
Many folks over on the Pain Management boards have reported difficult experiences in weaning off Klonopin. I have also heard about this problem on other forums. Obviously, everyone reacts differently to medications as well as stopping them. I am currently taking it for the second time, as my first experience with it resulted in some rage/depression. Since my insomnia has been so resistant to other treatments and I also have anxiety issues, I have been giving Klonopin a second try, along with an anti-depressant (Celexa) since I am taking so many medications that tend to have a depressant effect (Neurontin, Soma, Mirapex, Voltaren, Ambien CR, Phenergan).
It's great that Klonopin works for many people, but many others really need to be careful, especially if they have addictive tendencies or their bodies react poorly to the withdrawal of this medication. It is known to cause this problem and it should be treated with caution, just like any other medication.
Blessings,
TexMom
It's great that Klonopin works for many people, but many others really need to be careful, especially if they have addictive tendencies or their bodies react poorly to the withdrawal of this medication. It is known to cause this problem and it should be treated with caution, just like any other medication.
Blessings,
TexMom
bill77
08-05-2008, 11:53 AM
I have been taking Klonopin (clonazapam) for four years. I peaked at 2 mgs. a night last winter ( 4 - .50 pills at night time, 2 before sleep and 2 during when i would inevitably wake up)....I decided I had to get off of them; I had lived 50+ years without any daily medication.
Thanks to reading about the Ashton method, as well as the advice i found from the fine people here, I have cut my dose down in half over the last 5 months. While that sounds like a long time, i am planning an even longer taper to " finish it off" over the next year.
If you try the method, i advise taking the low road - 5% every week or two. As the dose gets smaller, I have the side effects a bit more profound... so i am even trying smaller tapers. The key that many people don't realize is IT HAS TO BE EXTREMELY SLOW. Ashton and the Benzos.org people will keep telling you this over and over...I can honestly say I have had very few side effects; Last year i tried a faster taper and it failed because of the side effects.
By the way, i was told by a shrink that Lunesta doesn't work as well when you are taking a benzo... that they both work on the GABA of the brain . I have been finding the Lunesta more effective on my smaller dose, by the way.
Good luck to you...
Thanks to reading about the Ashton method, as well as the advice i found from the fine people here, I have cut my dose down in half over the last 5 months. While that sounds like a long time, i am planning an even longer taper to " finish it off" over the next year.
If you try the method, i advise taking the low road - 5% every week or two. As the dose gets smaller, I have the side effects a bit more profound... so i am even trying smaller tapers. The key that many people don't realize is IT HAS TO BE EXTREMELY SLOW. Ashton and the Benzos.org people will keep telling you this over and over...I can honestly say I have had very few side effects; Last year i tried a faster taper and it failed because of the side effects.
By the way, i was told by a shrink that Lunesta doesn't work as well when you are taking a benzo... that they both work on the GABA of the brain . I have been finding the Lunesta more effective on my smaller dose, by the way.
Good luck to you...
PHARMAGURU
08-07-2008, 09:47 AM
Actually the strongest and most potent benzodiazepine is Flunitrazepam also known as Rohypnol..
7 to 10 times more potent than (diazepam/Valium)..
I have been on Klonopin/Clonazepam for over 2 decades..
With all due respect
I dont know exactly where your research was done, concerning Clonazepam..
I believe from all available data that Rohypnol which is Flunitrazepam to be the most potent benzodiazepine.I am aware of the dosaging and drug equivalencies .According to credible sources and prominent Doctors Flunitrazepam's effects are approximately 7 to 10 times more potent than diazepam. The effects of flunitrazepam appear approximately 15 to 20 minutes after oral administration, and last for approximately four to six hours. Some residual effects can persist up to 12 hours or more after administration.The drug is sometimes used as a date rape drug (commonly referred to in street slang as a "roofie").[2]
Flunitrazepam is classed as a nitrobenzodiazepine. Other nitrobenzodiazepines include nitrazepam and clonazepam.[3]
It is so powerful and illicit that it's illegal in the USA...OBVIOUSLY NO FDA APPROVAL
7 to 10 times more potent than (diazepam/Valium)..
I have been on Klonopin/Clonazepam for over 2 decades..
With all due respect
I dont know exactly where your research was done, concerning Clonazepam..
I believe from all available data that Rohypnol which is Flunitrazepam to be the most potent benzodiazepine.I am aware of the dosaging and drug equivalencies .According to credible sources and prominent Doctors Flunitrazepam's effects are approximately 7 to 10 times more potent than diazepam. The effects of flunitrazepam appear approximately 15 to 20 minutes after oral administration, and last for approximately four to six hours. Some residual effects can persist up to 12 hours or more after administration.The drug is sometimes used as a date rape drug (commonly referred to in street slang as a "roofie").[2]
Flunitrazepam is classed as a nitrobenzodiazepine. Other nitrobenzodiazepines include nitrazepam and clonazepam.[3]
It is so powerful and illicit that it's illegal in the USA...OBVIOUSLY NO FDA APPROVAL