choclate
12-19-2006, 08:39 AM
Here I am again. 27 Male, Married.
Been trying for one year now. She checked her egg size and the blasting effect. Size and its release is normal. My semen analysis shows 55% active and other things like morphology, forward progression are fine. But, the post coital test is not coming nice. He tested it for the second time this month and he is not finding any alive sperms in her even after 28 hours of sex. They are assume to be there for at least 3 days. Now, the thing is that he is asking us to consider IUI. I am confused about it. I haven't taken advice of any other doctor yet. But, the doctor I am going to is experienced and does the stuff regularly. He explained me that may be its me. Like, 55% of the active cells may not be enough or strong enough to move up and reach the egg. They are 80million per ML and a total of 3 ml. Now, this by any yard stick is normal. Is he doing something wrong. How do they check if the mucous is acidic. May be the acidic nature of my wife is causing them to die. Can this be the reason. If so, wouldn't there be a cure for it.
I am totally confused. Help.
Been trying for one year now. She checked her egg size and the blasting effect. Size and its release is normal. My semen analysis shows 55% active and other things like morphology, forward progression are fine. But, the post coital test is not coming nice. He tested it for the second time this month and he is not finding any alive sperms in her even after 28 hours of sex. They are assume to be there for at least 3 days. Now, the thing is that he is asking us to consider IUI. I am confused about it. I haven't taken advice of any other doctor yet. But, the doctor I am going to is experienced and does the stuff regularly. He explained me that may be its me. Like, 55% of the active cells may not be enough or strong enough to move up and reach the egg. They are 80million per ML and a total of 3 ml. Now, this by any yard stick is normal. Is he doing something wrong. How do they check if the mucous is acidic. May be the acidic nature of my wife is causing them to die. Can this be the reason. If so, wouldn't there be a cure for it.
I am totally confused. Help.
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GoldenMom
12-19-2006, 10:07 AM
I am not sure if the doctor can test to see if the cervical mucus is causing a problem for the sperm. When performing a postcoital test they look for live sperm, not hostile cervical mucus. Many US doctors will not perform postcoital tests because they highly doubt the validity of the test. In addition, the intercourse and postcoital test must during the woman's most fertile time, and the test should be performed within 12 hours of the intercourse.
An IUI is a good option because the doctor will insert the washed sperm (only the really good ones) into the uterus, making the potentially hostile cervical fluid no longer an issue. At that point, the sperm has to swim up and fertilize the egg.
An IUI is a good option because the doctor will insert the washed sperm (only the really good ones) into the uterus, making the potentially hostile cervical fluid no longer an issue. At that point, the sperm has to swim up and fertilize the egg.
choclate
12-19-2006, 10:36 AM
I thought the same way. Should we go to another doctor or what. Should we go to another doctor??
GoldenMom
12-19-2006, 06:58 PM
If you are comfortable doing an IUI and this doctor will perform it, I think you can use this doctor.
If you want a second opinion, definitely go to a different doctor.
If you want a second opinion, definitely go to a different doctor.
choclate
12-26-2006, 01:34 AM
Well, We have finally decided to go for IUI. Our problem seems to be only solveable by this solution. I don't really believe in the overall percentages of success and all but they say its a success rate of 1 out of 4. I am way too concerned about the ability of my sperm to fertilize naturally. The doc says that the chances are 30-35% because we are young yet. 27 and 29. But, He may want us to be optimistic. The procedure is way too embarassing for me.
Would dearly like to know the comments of a few people who have gone through this procedure.
Would dearly like to know the comments of a few people who have gone through this procedure.
GoldenMom
12-26-2006, 02:17 PM
I have been through the procedure 2 times and will have my third IUI next week. The success rates that your doctor gave you are extremely high. The average success rate of IUI is about 8%, or about 1 out of 12 cycles are successful. We are young also, and our doctor did not give us as positive of statistics as your doctor gave you.
What would you like to know about the procedure? I would be happy to tell you anything you want to know.
What would you like to know about the procedure? I would be happy to tell you anything you want to know.
choclate
12-26-2006, 11:29 PM
Gold
Why do doctors even recommend this if the success rate is painfully low. What are the alternatives available other than IVF. Can I ask, if thats not too personal, that why did you go for IUI. Is it Mucous problem or what.
More so, how do we prepare ourselves before the procedure. How would she feel because she is way too concerned about it and if it fails. How would we ever know that the sperms are working fine. More so, my wife is not on any kind of medications. So, its the only lone egg the sperm would get in their 12 hour life in their after washing and all. Is it fine to have IUI with just one natural egg. Are you taking medications to increase the no. of follicles.
Why do doctors even recommend this if the success rate is painfully low. What are the alternatives available other than IVF. Can I ask, if thats not too personal, that why did you go for IUI. Is it Mucous problem or what.
More so, how do we prepare ourselves before the procedure. How would she feel because she is way too concerned about it and if it fails. How would we ever know that the sperms are working fine. More so, my wife is not on any kind of medications. So, its the only lone egg the sperm would get in their 12 hour life in their after washing and all. Is it fine to have IUI with just one natural egg. Are you taking medications to increase the no. of follicles.
GoldenMom
12-27-2006, 12:13 PM
We are doing the IUI because my husband has sperm problems. Your chances of success will be higher if your wife will take medication. Both times I have had the IUI, I have had 2 follicles, which increases the chances of pregnancy. The 8% success rate is an average that includes men with no sperm and women with severe problems. We do not have severe problems, but significant enough to need to seek fertility treatment. Since you don't have severe problems either, I think your success rates would be higher than 8% -- not 25%, but higher than 8%.
I think doctors recommend IUI because IVF is substantially more expensive. In the United States, I pay $300 for an IUI. I would pay about $15000 for IVF. Doctors also recommend the less invasive treatments first. IUI does not involve surgery and IVF does.
If you wife is stressed and worried about the procedure, the chances of the IUI being successful are lower. The lower stress she is, the greater her chances of success. I did acupuncture one cycle to try to lower stress. Make sure she relaxes as much as possible.
One more thing: Make sure the IUI includes a sperm wash. This will make sure that only the best sperm are available to fertilize the egg.
Good luck!
I think doctors recommend IUI because IVF is substantially more expensive. In the United States, I pay $300 for an IUI. I would pay about $15000 for IVF. Doctors also recommend the less invasive treatments first. IUI does not involve surgery and IVF does.
If you wife is stressed and worried about the procedure, the chances of the IUI being successful are lower. The lower stress she is, the greater her chances of success. I did acupuncture one cycle to try to lower stress. Make sure she relaxes as much as possible.
One more thing: Make sure the IUI includes a sperm wash. This will make sure that only the best sperm are available to fertilize the egg.
Good luck!
choclate
01-02-2007, 08:32 AM
Golden
Thanks for the reply and informative post.
What were exactly the sperm problems. Apparently we don't have any problem. Like, as per doctor I have enough sperms and she has a good egg. We have waited for one year and are now going for IUI. My wife is way too concerned about artificially generating eggs. Is her concern justified. She thinks that a disturbance to her natural system may mean a long term defect which may never be cured.
Thanks for the reply and informative post.
What were exactly the sperm problems. Apparently we don't have any problem. Like, as per doctor I have enough sperms and she has a good egg. We have waited for one year and are now going for IUI. My wife is way too concerned about artificially generating eggs. Is her concern justified. She thinks that a disturbance to her natural system may mean a long term defect which may never be cured.
GoldenMom
01-02-2007, 10:10 AM
My husband has very high sperm count, but very low morphology. Apparently his many of his sperm have 2 heads or no tails, which means that they can't really swim.
The medication that is most widely used, Clomid, has been used for more than 25 years as an artificial follicle stimulant. There have not been any long-term side effects reported as of yet. There are other medications that cause a woman to "super ovulate." She will mature 10-15 follicles at a time. Over stimulation like this can be bad because it can cause painful cysts in the ovaries.
Women on Clomid and Super Ovulators should be monitored by a doctor via ultrasound to make sure that her ovaries are not being over-stimulated. With proper oversight, Clomid is safe and a great way to increase your chances while doing IUI.
The medication that is most widely used, Clomid, has been used for more than 25 years as an artificial follicle stimulant. There have not been any long-term side effects reported as of yet. There are other medications that cause a woman to "super ovulate." She will mature 10-15 follicles at a time. Over stimulation like this can be bad because it can cause painful cysts in the ovaries.
Women on Clomid and Super Ovulators should be monitored by a doctor via ultrasound to make sure that her ovaries are not being over-stimulated. With proper oversight, Clomid is safe and a great way to increase your chances while doing IUI.
choclate
01-05-2007, 02:15 PM
Here we are going for an IUI on 13th of this month.
Wish us luck.
Wish us luck.
LittleRed00
01-05-2007, 04:43 PM
Good luck!! Let us know how it goes!! Fingers XX'd!!
:wave: Red
:wave: Red
GoldenMom
01-06-2007, 10:24 AM
Good luck!! I hope the IUI is successful! :)
choclate
01-09-2007, 03:24 AM
I have another question. Although I agree that a lot of professionalism is there in the medical field but I am somehow concerned about the fact that whether or not my own sperms would be used for the insemination. How many chances are that my sperms may not be intentionally or mistakenly not used and someone else's sperms may be used. It is a far fetched thought but with so many patients around at clinics and more than one cases of IUI at one time how much is the possibility of this.
GoldenMom
01-09-2007, 03:04 PM
It is a valid concern and one I wondered about.
When my husband turns in his sample to our lab, I am required to be present and receive a specific color of sticker dot that is also placed on the vial with the sample in it. As I look into the lab, there are microscopes and equipment marked with the same color of sticker that I have. Our sample only comes into contact with the equipment that has the same color of dot that I have. Our paperwork also gets marked with this same color of sticker.
When it is time for the IUI, three people verify that the sticker I have matches the sticker on the vial and the paperwork. Our clinic is very careful about not cross contaminating and making sure that we receive the correct sperm.
Good luck!
When my husband turns in his sample to our lab, I am required to be present and receive a specific color of sticker dot that is also placed on the vial with the sample in it. As I look into the lab, there are microscopes and equipment marked with the same color of sticker that I have. Our sample only comes into contact with the equipment that has the same color of dot that I have. Our paperwork also gets marked with this same color of sticker.
When it is time for the IUI, three people verify that the sticker I have matches the sticker on the vial and the paperwork. Our clinic is very careful about not cross contaminating and making sure that we receive the correct sperm.
Good luck!
choclate
01-10-2007, 02:51 AM
I don't really know if these things are followed like that in this clinic or not. They would put my name on the sperm sample. It has a sticker with my name and I don't know any more details. But, the thing is that they have to take the sample out and wash the sperms. I don't know where they would be put then. Although I know that there are only a few samples in this clinic.
GoldenMom
01-10-2007, 10:35 AM
After the sample is washed, the washed sperm will be put into a device similar to a syringe. They will use this "syringe" to inject the semen into the woman's uterus.
In my clinic, every vial, syringe, etc is marked with the same color of sticker -- and it is my job to verify that the color matches the color of sticker that I received. I think it's your responsibility to make sure that you are using a clinic that follows practices that you agree with in regard to making sure that your wife receives the correct sample.
In my clinic, every vial, syringe, etc is marked with the same color of sticker -- and it is my job to verify that the color matches the color of sticker that I received. I think it's your responsibility to make sure that you are using a clinic that follows practices that you agree with in regard to making sure that your wife receives the correct sample.
choclate
01-11-2007, 08:36 AM
Golden
Thanks for being with me. You are a great support. Its just friday in between us now. Let's just pray for us that we get our desired result, although I am totally disheartened. I don't think I can ever be a father. But, lets just spend a few hundred dollars to satisfy myself completely. I actually don't want to be positive as being positive always hurts more. Being negative at least help you predict the result and take the result positively.
Another thing. When would we know that whether we have conceived or not. Would we have to wait till her period starting or would it like an Ultra Sound in a few days after the procedure.
Thanks for being with me. You are a great support. Its just friday in between us now. Let's just pray for us that we get our desired result, although I am totally disheartened. I don't think I can ever be a father. But, lets just spend a few hundred dollars to satisfy myself completely. I actually don't want to be positive as being positive always hurts more. Being negative at least help you predict the result and take the result positively.
Another thing. When would we know that whether we have conceived or not. Would we have to wait till her period starting or would it like an Ultra Sound in a few days after the procedure.
GoldenMom
01-11-2007, 11:05 AM
My doctor requires that I wait 14 days before going in for a blood test. In the past, my period has always started before I got to the 14th day.
Remember that it sometimes takes 3 or 4 IUIs before there is success. I have had 2 and both were unsuccessful. If you and your wife really want children, really consider doing several before giving up.
Wishing you the best of luck! :)
Remember that it sometimes takes 3 or 4 IUIs before there is success. I have had 2 and both were unsuccessful. If you and your wife really want children, really consider doing several before giving up.
Wishing you the best of luck! :)
choclate
01-15-2007, 05:28 AM
Ok then, the procedure has been performed. I hope it would work. The good thing is that she is going to get another of the same procedure on Tuesday as well which means that the chances would be increased. Do these doctors really do it two times in a cycle or is the doctor trying to be more cautious so that the success rate may increase. Friday and Tuesday are the two days on which he is going to sprinkle my sperms. This is 13th and 16th day of her cycle.
What do you say Golden. Did your doc did it two times in a cycle or was it just once. Because I was of the opinion that the doctor would only do it once. It was tough to give the sample though. The doc though said that the sample was very healthy. So, all is fine. Lets just hope for the best.
What do you say Golden. Did your doc did it two times in a cycle or was it just once. Because I was of the opinion that the doctor would only do it once. It was tough to give the sample though. The doc though said that the sample was very healthy. So, all is fine. Lets just hope for the best.
Tigrilla
01-15-2007, 06:34 PM
I have been watching this thread and thank you both for sharing all the good information and insight! I wish you the best of luck Choclate! Good to hear you had a healthy sample. I was wondering if the docs chose CD13 and CD16 because they are monitoring your wife for when she ovulates, by using U/S, or is she taking her temp or using OPTs? I know nothing about this procedure, but I'm sure the odds go up if it is done to coincide with her O and not just when they are guessing she will O. I think both those days will be very close to O so you'd have a good shot no matter what, but I had assumend they'd pin-point it to up your chances.
Fingers are crossed!!!
Fingers are crossed!!!
choclate
01-16-2007, 09:14 AM
Thanks for joining and appreciating Tigrilla.
Yeap definitely you are right that the doctor wants to be sure that the sperms reach the egg at the right time. He doesn't want to take chances or be unsure. Somehow I have found a doctor who is not just running after the money. The second sprinkling was totally free, which only confirmed me that the guy was honest with his profession otherwise I have heard that these doctors only do it once in a cycle. I think the first time when he did it, he actually saw the size of the egg which was above 17mm, which is considered the best time for the procedure. Then after that he wanted the sperms to be there when the egg is released and is actually moving through the tubes. So, he did everything almost right. But, its all in the hands of GOD. I believe in him. I hope he gives me a cute little baby. A baby girl is what I want. :)
Yeap definitely you are right that the doctor wants to be sure that the sperms reach the egg at the right time. He doesn't want to take chances or be unsure. Somehow I have found a doctor who is not just running after the money. The second sprinkling was totally free, which only confirmed me that the guy was honest with his profession otherwise I have heard that these doctors only do it once in a cycle. I think the first time when he did it, he actually saw the size of the egg which was above 17mm, which is considered the best time for the procedure. Then after that he wanted the sperms to be there when the egg is released and is actually moving through the tubes. So, he did everything almost right. But, its all in the hands of GOD. I believe in him. I hope he gives me a cute little baby. A baby girl is what I want. :)
GoldenMom
01-16-2007, 05:31 PM
Having 2 IUIs is fairly common, although I have only heard of doing them on 2 consecutive days. For example, I could go in on Monday for the first IUI and then back again on Tuesday for the second one. Usually the doctor is confident enough that the woman is ovulating that doing the IUI 2 days in a row is most effective. Your doctor may not be as confident about ovulation, or may have found success in doing the IUI a few days apart.
Wishing you the best!! I hope this works for you. :)
Wishing you the best!! I hope this works for you. :)
choclate
01-17-2007, 03:34 AM
Thanks for the wishes Golden.
Now there is another issue. I received the report for the IUI in detail yesterday. I had intercourse a day before giving the sample. The second time too I had intercourse one day before, just to increase the chances of conceiving. I was way too tense at the time of depositing of the semen and also that I couldn't give it all at the time of depositing in the jar given to me. More so, I got a cut on my genitals as well that was giving me burning sensations.
The reason for all this explanation is that the report suggests that I had an active sperms of 44% in the first sample. It was fine because that much decrease can be due to lack of interest and hardly any arousal and the only motive being extraction of the sample. The second IUI sample had a total motility of 34%. Now, thats very much worrying for me. Why is this happening. Whats wrong. Is sperm motility effected by tension and all the surrounding circumstances. More so, how much impact does the gap between one release and the other have. I am a bit afraid. My first test which suggested 55% active and 80 million per ml with 3 ml volume was done with a gap of 4 days. Thats what the lab man said, he said that the test should be taken after 4 days of gap. I think he was right. Does this mean doing sex every day reduces the chances for pregnancy. Would a release after say 4 consecutive days of intercourse have something like 10% of sperms. I am totally confused.
Now there is another issue. I received the report for the IUI in detail yesterday. I had intercourse a day before giving the sample. The second time too I had intercourse one day before, just to increase the chances of conceiving. I was way too tense at the time of depositing of the semen and also that I couldn't give it all at the time of depositing in the jar given to me. More so, I got a cut on my genitals as well that was giving me burning sensations.
The reason for all this explanation is that the report suggests that I had an active sperms of 44% in the first sample. It was fine because that much decrease can be due to lack of interest and hardly any arousal and the only motive being extraction of the sample. The second IUI sample had a total motility of 34%. Now, thats very much worrying for me. Why is this happening. Whats wrong. Is sperm motility effected by tension and all the surrounding circumstances. More so, how much impact does the gap between one release and the other have. I am a bit afraid. My first test which suggested 55% active and 80 million per ml with 3 ml volume was done with a gap of 4 days. Thats what the lab man said, he said that the test should be taken after 4 days of gap. I think he was right. Does this mean doing sex every day reduces the chances for pregnancy. Would a release after say 4 consecutive days of intercourse have something like 10% of sperms. I am totally confused.
GoldenMom
01-17-2007, 09:59 AM
Each day of consecutive intercourse does decrease the amount and quality of the sperm slightly. My doctor recommends no intercourse for 36-48 hours prior to the IUI and as much intercourse as possible after the IUI. The doctor wants to use the most concentrated sample possible for the IUI.
If the doctor performed a sperm wash, the low motility should be have been resolved. When a sperm wash is performed, the non-motile sperm is not used in the sample. My doctor performs a semen analysis before he washes the sperm for each IUI, but when he washes the sperm, motility and morphology are close to 100% for the sample used.
Did the doctor wash the sperm? He could be telling you the information about the sample before he washed it.
If the doctor performed a sperm wash, the low motility should be have been resolved. When a sperm wash is performed, the non-motile sperm is not used in the sample. My doctor performs a semen analysis before he washes the sperm for each IUI, but when he washes the sperm, motility and morphology are close to 100% for the sample used.
Did the doctor wash the sperm? He could be telling you the information about the sample before he washed it.
choclate
01-18-2007, 05:13 AM
Yeap. The report suggested the results before the Washing Process. But, when I saw the after wash quantity it was 90 million per ml as well. That confused me. Did that refer to motile and immotile both. Anyhow, he said it was fine and we are only waiting for what to happen. We did have intercourse after the IUI though to ensure that some sperms somehow reach the egg which is seemingly impossible as the mucous for me is too hostile. I am thinking over Pre Seed as well. Golden, did you ever try it.
GoldenMom
01-18-2007, 09:18 AM
I have tried Preseed. My fertility specialist recommended not using it, because natural mucus is usually better. However, in your case, it might be very good for you to try.
choclate
01-22-2007, 08:06 AM
So the periods are getting nearer and my heart is beating stronger. I think she is not going to conceive as she is not getting any symptoms and the hopes are already getting next to nil here. Its a difficult process at least for me. She seems comfortable with it but how much life and money would we spend on getting a child which people get in an instant. I am disgusted.
Although, she has not got any periods yet but she is not feeling anything relating to pregnancy. When would any symptoms appear. Like its her 22nd day of the cycle.
Although, she has not got any periods yet but she is not feeling anything relating to pregnancy. When would any symptoms appear. Like its her 22nd day of the cycle.
GoldenMom
01-22-2007, 10:07 AM
Some women don't get any symptoms at all. Some women may feel some symptoms in the week before their period starts.
This may take a few tries, even with the IUI. Don't give up yet! :)
This may take a few tries, even with the IUI. Don't give up yet! :)
Tigrilla
01-23-2007, 01:13 AM
Dont give up! I know it is frustrating especially when you are trying so hard and literally investing in it. You are an exceptional husband for caring as much as you do and being so supportive! No symptoms this early would not be unusual. Actually it seems more people have stronger AF symptoms than when they are pregnant, or they are the same. She may not feel any different until AF is late.
choclate
01-23-2007, 08:43 AM
Hey Thanks a lot TIG for appreciating me as a husband. :). Appreciated. I do care for her and people do say that I care way too much. But, thats the way I am.
Anyhow, I hope that she is not getting the symptoms only because she is not feeling them. Golden has told me time and again that IUI may take many attempts to be successful. I am only expecting that it does the first time. Is it not possible. Anyhow, Golden is trying to avoid me to be disappointed in the end. Thanks.
I am only keeping my fingers crossed. Her periods are going to start on 28th. A few days left.
Anyhow, I hope that she is not getting the symptoms only because she is not feeling them. Golden has told me time and again that IUI may take many attempts to be successful. I am only expecting that it does the first time. Is it not possible. Anyhow, Golden is trying to avoid me to be disappointed in the end. Thanks.
I am only keeping my fingers crossed. Her periods are going to start on 28th. A few days left.
choclate
01-25-2007, 12:17 AM
25th Day and symptoms of period coming. LOL. LOL. LOL. Bull.
GoldenMom
01-25-2007, 10:40 AM
It could still be symptoms of pregnancy! Hold out some hope! :)
choclate
01-30-2007, 06:10 AM
Golden
Her periods have started. Yes, they have. We would most probably do it again. Multiple eggs increase the chance for pregnancy. But, my wife is not too inclined to intrude into her natural period cycle. Can generation of more than one egg be a factor which may cause permanent damage to production of eggs.
I am down.
Her periods have started. Yes, they have. We would most probably do it again. Multiple eggs increase the chance for pregnancy. But, my wife is not too inclined to intrude into her natural period cycle. Can generation of more than one egg be a factor which may cause permanent damage to production of eggs.
I am down.
GoldenMom
01-30-2007, 09:57 AM
Sorry to hear this news. Do try again, as I am sure you will be successful soon.
Producing multiple eggs does not cause any damage to a woman's body, especially when usually the woman only produces 2 or 3 at a time. I have taken the drug that causes multiple eggs to be released. I would not be using a drug that caused harm.
Best of luck in your next IUI.
Producing multiple eggs does not cause any damage to a woman's body, especially when usually the woman only produces 2 or 3 at a time. I have taken the drug that causes multiple eggs to be released. I would not be using a drug that caused harm.
Best of luck in your next IUI.
choclate
02-01-2007, 11:33 PM
Golden
Tell me one thing. Why didn't it conceive when everything was fine. The timing, the count, the egg. Does that mean that my sperm or her egg doesn't have the ability to fertilize.
Tell me one thing. Why didn't it conceive when everything was fine. The timing, the count, the egg. Does that mean that my sperm or her egg doesn't have the ability to fertilize.
GoldenMom
02-02-2007, 12:02 AM
It's a mystery. We have not conceived either and have had 2 IUIs. The main thing is that the sperm still has to swim up the fallopian tubes and meet with the egg as it descends. Sometimes the egg's exterior is more difficult for the sperm to penetrate. There is no way of knowing if the timing was actually perfect, unless your wife had the HCG injection which induces ovulation.
My doctor said that it sometimes takes as many as 4 tries before a couple will become pregnant using IUI.
My doctor said that it sometimes takes as many as 4 tries before a couple will become pregnant using IUI.
dizzygirl
02-02-2007, 08:39 AM
Choclate- I just wanted to let you know that I keep an eye on this thread........and I was thinking of you and your wife. Hang in there:angel:
Golden, just wanted to drop in and say hello.:wave: ........how are you doing?
Golden, just wanted to drop in and say hello.:wave: ........how are you doing?
GoldenMom
02-02-2007, 09:17 AM
Hi Dizzy! My DH and I are taking a break from trying for a few months. We're deciding whether to continue to pursue fertility treatments or to adopt.
How is your pregnancy going? :)
How is your pregnancy going? :)
dizzygirl
02-02-2007, 10:31 AM
Goldenmom- A break is really good sometimes........and lots of people conceive on a break so good luck! I am doing okay, I know I shouldn't complain, but I'm having a really tough time with this pregnancy. I've been so sick, the doctors had to put me on medication to be able just to keep some food down. But I know there is a light at the end of the tunnel, so I'm doing okay overall. Have you done IVF? Forgive me for soundign dumb, I think that's a different thing from IUI, right? Adoption is a wonderful thing as well, good luck with your decision.:)
GoldenMom
02-02-2007, 03:25 PM
Dizzy -- hope you feel better soon! When you hold your baby in your arms I'm sure the memory of not feeling well will fade quickly! :)
We have not done IVF (Yes, it is something different than IUI. :) ) That's the decision we are currently considering -- whether to pursue a medical miracle or to pursue international adoption. I think we're going to wait to decide until 2008.
We have not done IVF (Yes, it is something different than IUI. :) ) That's the decision we are currently considering -- whether to pursue a medical miracle or to pursue international adoption. I think we're going to wait to decide until 2008.
GoldenMom
02-06-2007, 09:13 AM
Choclate -- Are you and your wife going to do another IUI soon?
choclate
02-08-2007, 01:42 AM
Choclate -- Are you and your wife going to do another IUI soon?
We went to the doc and he said that she should rest for 2 or 3 months after which he thinks he may give it another go. Is this what happens.
The doctor gave a strange statement. He said,"Both of you are fine. You would get your child in 2 years time". It was heartening but strange. May be he is right. He explained everything about Egg and its shell and ability of the sperm to penetrate through the egg and then joining of nucleus etc.
Golden, has doctor checked your tubes before doing IUI or not.
We went to the doc and he said that she should rest for 2 or 3 months after which he thinks he may give it another go. Is this what happens.
The doctor gave a strange statement. He said,"Both of you are fine. You would get your child in 2 years time". It was heartening but strange. May be he is right. He explained everything about Egg and its shell and ability of the sperm to penetrate through the egg and then joining of nucleus etc.
Golden, has doctor checked your tubes before doing IUI or not.
GoldenMom
02-08-2007, 10:26 AM
Waiting 2-3 months is not the standard procedure. The doctor is telling you that since there is nothing wrong with you that you will eventually get pregnant on your own. One of the doctors that I went to said that we would get pregnant within 3 years time on our own, but we chose not to wait.
I did have my tubes checked before starting the IUIs. The procedure was not painful and my tubes were fine. Has your wife had her tubes checked?
I did have my tubes checked before starting the IUIs. The procedure was not painful and my tubes were fine. Has your wife had her tubes checked?
choclate
02-09-2007, 04:00 AM
Nopes. He didn't check for the tubes. We didn't know whether he did or not before IUI. More so we didn't know that checking it was a must. We inquire about the tubes after the unsuccessful attempt and he said that becaus a procedure is involved in checking the tubes he didn't check them and also he thought on the basis of initial tests that tubes may not be blocked.
But, they might be blocked.
Sometimes I hate this doc. His approach is strange. I met another doc and had a casual conversation with him. He asked first up about tubes. This one is not looking for tubes. He is also of the opinion that as lots of time has not passed yet since our marriage so drastic steps are not needed. I don't know if checking tubes is drastic.
Golden, can I ask you a personal question. I am concerned about my count percentage. Doc is giving me quiet some negative remarks on them. Like as I told they are 55% active with 70% good morphology. Is this bad. He is saying that this might be the reason for them not swiming up.
But, they might be blocked.
Sometimes I hate this doc. His approach is strange. I met another doc and had a casual conversation with him. He asked first up about tubes. This one is not looking for tubes. He is also of the opinion that as lots of time has not passed yet since our marriage so drastic steps are not needed. I don't know if checking tubes is drastic.
Golden, can I ask you a personal question. I am concerned about my count percentage. Doc is giving me quiet some negative remarks on them. Like as I told they are 55% active with 70% good morphology. Is this bad. He is saying that this might be the reason for them not swiming up.
GoldenMom
02-09-2007, 09:59 PM
Those numbers are fine. Do you know how your sperm count was? That could be more the problem. 70% good morphology is excellent and 55% active is fairly good. Those numbers by themselves would not be cause for concern, I don't think.
choclate
02-12-2007, 07:03 AM
My count is 80million per ML. On one occassion it was 90 million. But, on one occassion the motility was 44% too. But, the total count remained about 80 to 90 million per ML.
GoldenMom
02-12-2007, 03:48 PM
Choclate -- those are great numbers. You should not be worried about it.
choclate
02-13-2007, 02:35 AM
Love you Golden. You made my day. :).
Hugs and please pray for us.
Hugs and please pray for us.
choclate
02-15-2007, 04:09 PM
She tested on 20th day this time. Single line. But, she has her nipples quiet sensitive. It happened once when her periods started on 35th day. Sore nipples are definitely a sign of periods but it is also a sign of pregnancy. We assumed that we might have lost a fertilized egg when the period lasted for so many days. Anyhow, I am not keeping hopes as usual.
choclate
02-26-2007, 07:03 AM
Periods Periods Periods. I hate this word, trust me I do. Looking for another IUI in the month after next.
GoldenMom
02-26-2007, 12:56 PM
So sorry to hear this news choclate. Hopefully your next IUI will be more successful.
choclate
03-05-2007, 12:30 AM
Yea (Sigh). It was pretty bad. The sweet little daughter of my sister n law is making me more frustrated. :).
We are looking for another IUI in next cycle. She is in her fertile days currently. I hope that bloody sperm hits his target this time.
We are looking for another IUI in next cycle. She is in her fertile days currently. I hope that bloody sperm hits his target this time.
choclate
03-14-2007, 01:18 AM
Here I am again. The periods are coming in a usual way and we are going for another IUI next month. Only last 10 days are left before our attempt to conceive naturally would stutter for sometime again. We would have to depend on ART once more. Can only imagine becoming a father now.
confrustrated
03-14-2007, 02:01 AM
I'm sorry for all that you and your wife have had to go through. It's tough when you want something so bad and do everything possible and it still doesn't happen. In this day and age we are used to being able to make whatever we want happen and sometimes it just doesn't work that way. You and your wife are in my prayers. I hope for the best this time around.
Sara
Sara
mariella
03-14-2007, 09:33 AM
I have just spent the last 10 mins reading this thread from start to finish and want to wish you and your wife the best in your TTC journey. I can honestly feel the anguish in your words, but don't give up hope.
I am also planning on undertaking iui very soon, if I am not pg this month. We already have children, but are having a heck of a time this time (going on 14 month with no success) I had 2 early miscarriages, one after the other last year so it has been stressful, and although I feel so blessed with the babies that I have, the longing for another is very strong. I will be waiting to hear how you go and best wishes to you. I hope you get a lovely BFP very soon just in time for Christmas.
Cheers from Australia
I am also planning on undertaking iui very soon, if I am not pg this month. We already have children, but are having a heck of a time this time (going on 14 month with no success) I had 2 early miscarriages, one after the other last year so it has been stressful, and although I feel so blessed with the babies that I have, the longing for another is very strong. I will be waiting to hear how you go and best wishes to you. I hope you get a lovely BFP very soon just in time for Christmas.
Cheers from Australia
GoldenMom
03-14-2007, 10:17 AM
Choclate --
I hope all goes well with the IUI. Hopefully you willl be successful soon. You should definitely consider talking to your wife about a medicated cycle. It will double the chances of pregnancy.
Best wishes to both of you!
I hope all goes well with the IUI. Hopefully you willl be successful soon. You should definitely consider talking to your wife about a medicated cycle. It will double the chances of pregnancy.
Best wishes to both of you!
choclate
03-16-2007, 04:59 PM
Golden
Thanks a lot for all the good wishes. My wife wants the second IUI to be without medications. I think the third one if needed (God Forbid :)) if needed would definitely be on medicine. Just be there. This is not just about me and you. I think lots of people are getting quiet precious information here.
ConFrust
Yea, its pretty bad nowadays and the sexual life is severely hit by our desire to have a child. I think it would improve as she conceives. So, its not just the child but the whole relationship that is more depressing.
Merill
Thanks for your time. Nice to know that you read all the posts. I created this thread and wanted to present my case as a male among all the females. It seems that I am successful with the help of some nice ladies here, especially Golden. I hope that you would be a permanent part of our struggle for a child too.
Thanks to all.
A few days before the process would go ahead. She is on 22nd day of her cycle. The next cycle would see the IUI.
Thanks a lot for all the good wishes. My wife wants the second IUI to be without medications. I think the third one if needed (God Forbid :)) if needed would definitely be on medicine. Just be there. This is not just about me and you. I think lots of people are getting quiet precious information here.
ConFrust
Yea, its pretty bad nowadays and the sexual life is severely hit by our desire to have a child. I think it would improve as she conceives. So, its not just the child but the whole relationship that is more depressing.
Merill
Thanks for your time. Nice to know that you read all the posts. I created this thread and wanted to present my case as a male among all the females. It seems that I am successful with the help of some nice ladies here, especially Golden. I hope that you would be a permanent part of our struggle for a child too.
Thanks to all.
A few days before the process would go ahead. She is on 22nd day of her cycle. The next cycle would see the IUI.
LindsayO23
03-16-2007, 07:34 PM
Choclate,
YOu should consider the Infertilty Board, There are alot of women that are going with IUI and IVF. So I bet they might have a couple more great answers just like these!
Good luck!
YOu should consider the Infertilty Board, There are alot of women that are going with IUI and IVF. So I bet they might have a couple more great answers just like these!
Good luck!
choclate
03-26-2007, 02:51 AM
Sad news. A friend of mine was having trouble conceiving too. After a year and a half they did conceive but in 3 months time. They got an abortion. Sad.
choclate
04-10-2007, 01:32 AM
Yea. Back after a long time. Well, apparently my wife is way too afraid to go for another IUI after last time's failure. So, she wanted to relaxed her self in this period. So, we are going to have this procedure done in about 20 days' time. i.e. 13 days after the start of her next cycle. I dearly dearly hope we get it this time.
GoldenMom
04-10-2007, 11:52 AM
Hopefully the relaxing will help you get pregnant. Good luck! :)
choclate
04-11-2007, 06:48 AM
Thanks Golden. You are such a help. :)
choclate
04-16-2007, 12:52 AM
Yea. It seems like the break wouldn't work. Its her 26th of the month and she can feel them coming. Somehow she gives me lots of desperation by not useing the pregnancy strips. Anyhow, another day of deep BLUES for me. Feel so helpless. Another IUI in this cycle now.
choclate
04-18-2007, 07:48 AM
Yea, Yea, Yea. Another sad day in life. Her periods are ON. Very sad. Can't see how sad she was. Very. Very sad. Disheartening. Desperation.
Blastoff9600
04-18-2007, 08:47 AM
Have her go to another doctor and get an HSG done. The HSG is a test that sees if her tubes are clear. Also make sure she is charting her bbt. If you are just counting days of her cycle you could still be missing the peak time. Have her read the book Taking CHarge Of Your Fertility.
choclate
04-19-2007, 02:26 AM
Thanks Blast. We are thinking of a doc change as well. May be a female one too. She would be more comfortable with her.
choclate
04-26-2007, 03:26 AM
This time it would be a medicated cycle for her. Clomid 50 mg for 5 days. What impact actually clomid would have on her. Like would it increase the no. of eggs or what.
GoldenMom
04-27-2007, 01:52 PM
The clomid could cause her to ovulate more than one egg. It is rare to get twins from Clomid, but the rate is slightly higher than an unmedicated cycle.
More than anything, Clomid will give you a higher likelihood of ovulation, and also a higher chance of ovulating a fully mature egg.
If the doctor didn't mention this, Clomid does have some side effects -- like moodiness and being overly sensitive. Some women don't experience any, but some do.
Good luck!
More than anything, Clomid will give you a higher likelihood of ovulation, and also a higher chance of ovulating a fully mature egg.
If the doctor didn't mention this, Clomid does have some side effects -- like moodiness and being overly sensitive. Some women don't experience any, but some do.
Good luck!
choclate
05-15-2007, 09:26 AM
So, the date is finalized. The IUI is due on 26th of this month. He has advised to use Clomid 50 mg for 5 days from the 2nd day of the cycle. Is this the standard procedure which is followed or is there something else to it.
How many eggs are generated with that quantity of Clomid.
How many eggs are generated with that quantity of Clomid.
choclate
05-28-2007, 02:12 PM
Ok then. The second IUI was done today. The procedure would be repeated tomorrow again to enhance the chances of conceiving. Keeping the fingers crossed :)
GoldenMom
05-29-2007, 09:51 PM
That's great. I hope this one works! :)
Amy 333
05-30-2007, 11:23 AM
Choclate
Just wanted to wish you the best of luck. Really hope that you ll get your much awaited BFP.
Golden
Nice to hear from you. YOu had replied a few of my posts when i was a newbie and you were so kind to me. Just wanted to let you know that you are in my prayers.
Amy
Just wanted to wish you the best of luck. Really hope that you ll get your much awaited BFP.
Golden
Nice to hear from you. YOu had replied a few of my posts when i was a newbie and you were so kind to me. Just wanted to let you know that you are in my prayers.
Amy
choclate
06-06-2007, 12:48 AM
Yeap. Golden Mom is defnintely a great support for many here. Selfless support. When she was discussing the dynamics of IUI I thought she was a lady with a child and trying to have another but she so casually said that she has had two unsuccessful IUIs and I was like shocked. Anyhow, I would really like to say my thanks to her too.
Coming back to our second IUI. Its done and over. The cycle day is like 22 or 23. So, no syptoms yet. Somehow after all the efforts and attempts one starts believing that he can't be a father and same is happening to me and am not really thinking that it would be successfuly and as I say. Don't keep hope, so you won't be disappointed. But, having said that, there is a heart in my heart that says, "Would she conceive this time".
Coming back to our second IUI. Its done and over. The cycle day is like 22 or 23. So, no syptoms yet. Somehow after all the efforts and attempts one starts believing that he can't be a father and same is happening to me and am not really thinking that it would be successfuly and as I say. Don't keep hope, so you won't be disappointed. But, having said that, there is a heart in my heart that says, "Would she conceive this time".
jelly2001
06-06-2007, 03:16 PM
Have a 5 year old daughter. Misscarried twins at 4 months about 2 years ago. My cycles are irregular. Tried clomid for 7 months due to one test that showed my levels were low. Last clomid cycle was in August. Made me feel fat and witchie as well as decline in mucus. Husband's test showed low count and mobility but could have been due to tight undies, caffine, and chewing tobacco. We have done away with all three. Trying on our own since then decided to try IUI today, without clomid. doctor thinks levels are good without it. Wondering that if this is not successful if we should go back on clomid before next IUI. Thanks to everyone for sharing and baby dust to all. Any thoughts on how to prepare for today?
choclate
06-07-2007, 01:49 AM
Hope your IUI went fine. It is our second and we are waiting for the results. I think you should use Clomid whenever getting an IUI done because without assistance the success rate is about 10% and with clomid it is more than 25%. So, do try clomid. We tried to conceive naturally, then tried to get IUI done naturally but this time it is with clomid IUI and the results are awaited. IUI is perfect in your case as it is recommended in cases of slightly low sperm count and motility.
About me. Hey, can anyone tell me whether or not a strong constipation be a reason for CONCEIVING. Like my wife after this second IUI has got strong constipation which is not going away with soft laxatives. She is getting heated up too but obviously its summer.
Second question is. Can we have sex after IUIs and close to the start of the periods. Obviously we can but the reason am asking is because I have in mind somewhere that that much of physical activity may not result in loss of the fertilization. Can this occur.
About me. Hey, can anyone tell me whether or not a strong constipation be a reason for CONCEIVING. Like my wife after this second IUI has got strong constipation which is not going away with soft laxatives. She is getting heated up too but obviously its summer.
Second question is. Can we have sex after IUIs and close to the start of the periods. Obviously we can but the reason am asking is because I have in mind somewhere that that much of physical activity may not result in loss of the fertilization. Can this occur.
choclate
06-11-2007, 12:59 AM
Utter Disappointment. Grief. Sorrow. Pain. This was the 18th cycle of trying. This freakingly unexplained infertility. What is the use of this procedure if it has to result in NO result. Now we would go to the doc and he would ask another 500 bucks for the procedure. Is this all for what they are there. Aren't these techniques really useless and its all about God's will. People keep taking medications for century and the day they stop them the next day they get a child. Useless.
Nicky2112
06-11-2007, 05:12 PM
I'm sorry about the results, Choclate. I've been following this thread since I signed up and I was hoping to hear good news from you guys. :(
I'd tell you not to give up, but I know how frustrating platitudes can be during trying times. Still, I do wish you luck for next time.
I'd tell you not to give up, but I know how frustrating platitudes can be during trying times. Still, I do wish you luck for next time.
prairie_dawn
06-11-2007, 11:33 PM
I am so sorry for you pain. I was 21 when I had my 1st child and never thought i would have a problem at all with a 2nd. When I remarried I was 26 and didint know i had a thyroid problem. It took a while to find a dr who would help me the way i wanted to be helped with the disease but once it was fine I went to an RE and she gave me clomid and we had sex and nothing happen. She highly recomened IUI /clomid and I did with the trigger shot and got pregnant that first IUI. We were told that after that baby was born we should try soon after because it might take a year or so to get pregnant again with fertility drugs. Well baby was 5months when we tried and 4 clomid/iui cycles later nothing. I was upset and I said this was too much and that was that. We waited a month and just hung out and we both ONLY drank water and nothing else and dh(who had poor count and morph and motility) ONLY ONLY drank water for sure and extra vitimin C for 6 weeks(he had started 2 weeks before I stopped trying) and then after we took a month off we went to injectable drugs and IUI and I had a cold and was taking cough syrup(only cough syrup, it was only Guiefenisin in it) and man did that make my cervical mucus liquidy. (my CM was very acidic as well and that is why i ony drank water) Well that month I got pregnant with my 3rd his 2nd. We were thrilled and new if we wanted another that we would have to wait till our insurance took that RE again and excepted the treatments so we knew it would be a while. and we enjoyed our kids and that was that. I was having trouble with my thyroid again and had to go to dr and get fixed up again on medicine. Once fixed, i was without medicine and dong well on my own. It was to my great surprise when I found out that on Thanksgiving day 2005 i was pregnant again with a 4th and had no treatment. I told dh that i was happy but would never ever do treatment again. Knowing fully well at that point it was my thyroid and the lack of hydration I had.
DH seman analysis was great with the last IUI we had done so he knew the water and extra vit c helped. I am not sure if that will help you but thought i would give you our experience as well. Hoping this success story cheers you on to keep trying. I had a Catholic dr(i am catholic) and she always said it was up to God and good timing at this point. My priest said that the IUI was fine and that if God didnt want us to do this he wouldnt have given us people who knew how to do it. We are hoping for a 5th since I told God the last one I had that what ever he wanted to give us before I was 35 was fine with me. So that is a promise I will keep, if i am not pregnant by 35 then we are done for sure. I wanted to let you know that my dh is 41 going on 42 this novemnber. I will be 34 in september. I never expected to only have 4 by this age, i always thought I would be done by the time i was 30 but things happen for a reason and although I still dont know the reason I am happy with what i have.
It is so heartbreaking and so stressfull, the pain can be unbearable and can cuase so much trauma. I do hope you all try to get through this and love eachother and have fun every single day.! Have a drink! Have a date! Do these things to ease up on the pressure. Scream if you have to, then laugh because you did it! It helps.
This was my dh's first marrage and he waited till it was the right woman, he too had no idea it would have taken this long. I do wish you all the best. Good luck. I hope the ideas i gave help.
DH seman analysis was great with the last IUI we had done so he knew the water and extra vit c helped. I am not sure if that will help you but thought i would give you our experience as well. Hoping this success story cheers you on to keep trying. I had a Catholic dr(i am catholic) and she always said it was up to God and good timing at this point. My priest said that the IUI was fine and that if God didnt want us to do this he wouldnt have given us people who knew how to do it. We are hoping for a 5th since I told God the last one I had that what ever he wanted to give us before I was 35 was fine with me. So that is a promise I will keep, if i am not pregnant by 35 then we are done for sure. I wanted to let you know that my dh is 41 going on 42 this novemnber. I will be 34 in september. I never expected to only have 4 by this age, i always thought I would be done by the time i was 30 but things happen for a reason and although I still dont know the reason I am happy with what i have.
It is so heartbreaking and so stressfull, the pain can be unbearable and can cuase so much trauma. I do hope you all try to get through this and love eachother and have fun every single day.! Have a drink! Have a date! Do these things to ease up on the pressure. Scream if you have to, then laugh because you did it! It helps.
This was my dh's first marrage and he waited till it was the right woman, he too had no idea it would have taken this long. I do wish you all the best. Good luck. I hope the ideas i gave help.
choclate
06-16-2007, 06:06 AM
Thanks for the replies. Nicky and Mama.
Mama it was real tough for you really. But, somehow, I believe that you always had that feeling of having at least one child right from the on set. Secondary infertility is something, may be, that haunts lesser than primary infertility. Having no one in your lap is extremely tiring, boring and unfulfilling. But, I feel happy for you that you have 4 kids now. Great. Hope we get one too. Thanks a lot for the replies.
Ok, back to us now. Another IUI is going to occur. This time based on some injections HMG. I don't have a lot of information about it. But, I wonder if my doctor is a bit too aggressive that he only used Clomid one month and went on for HMG. What does this medicine actually do. 5 days injections and then they would check the eggs that would be followed by IUI. Is he doing the things right.
Mama it was real tough for you really. But, somehow, I believe that you always had that feeling of having at least one child right from the on set. Secondary infertility is something, may be, that haunts lesser than primary infertility. Having no one in your lap is extremely tiring, boring and unfulfilling. But, I feel happy for you that you have 4 kids now. Great. Hope we get one too. Thanks a lot for the replies.
Ok, back to us now. Another IUI is going to occur. This time based on some injections HMG. I don't have a lot of information about it. But, I wonder if my doctor is a bit too aggressive that he only used Clomid one month and went on for HMG. What does this medicine actually do. 5 days injections and then they would check the eggs that would be followed by IUI. Is he doing the things right.
prairie_dawn
06-17-2007, 02:07 AM
Choclate, thank you! And I do hope this one will be it. I did a little copy and pasting for you as my hands hurt tonight.
Here is something that you might want to look at :
HMG is considered a gonadotropin, Unlike clomiphene, which looks to stimulate the pituitary gland, gonadotropins attempt to directly affect the ovaries and stimulate follicle development.
You can look up HMG injectables and you'll find stuff on it. Personally when i went to my very first Obgyn and said that after 3months I felt that there was something wrong, he was being very aggresive and that turned me and my dh off to trying to figure out what was wrong. I wished i had done what he asked because I would have #1 found out that i had had thyroid disease a month sooner and maybe not of had to have waited to have child #2.(since i had thyroid disease it took some time to find the right endo, but the Obgyn would have fixed it for me and helped me get pg wiht drugs). I was scared and dh didnt want to have to go to dr. to see if he was "ok". Hind sight is 20/20 ya know! But all in all I actually wound up going back to him for my 4th pregnancy. LOL I just wanted to say that if your dr. is competant and the hairs on the back on your neck dont stand on end and that you find him creapy then I would have to say go for it.
But please be advised that you might get more than one egg that is good. I will tell you though that with all the clomid and even the only Injectable cycle i did i always had a few good great big old eggs. And the two times i got pg it was only a single baby. Not more. Please also be aware that they IF your wife gets pregnant with triplets or more they will ask you if you want to have a "reduction". Basically they are asking if you want to abort or terminate so you only have two or one since they think that is safer. I had a great Catholic dr. (I am catholic and she knew it) and asked her not to ask me that question if it wound up that i would have more than two. She said ok. So make sure you know and make sure your dr.s know what you want and dont want done or asked. Something like type of question right when wife finds out she is pg might push her into being a very cranky wife and woman that becomes a mamabear. Just a little fyi is all, especially if she is going to be all dopped up on the hormonal phase of this and cranky to begin with. LOL
Just keep the frying pans out of the way of her path and you should make it through this cycle with a baby and NO bruises.! Good luck to you and HER!
Remember , have her print out what the side effects are and mark them down as she gets them and just laugh it off. It helped us and sure saved us from being those couples that divorce over infertility.
Hugs to her for doing this and you too! Sticky sticky babydust! Try to only have you and her drink water. NOTHING more. Coffee and sodas make sperm too thick and cervical mucus too thick as well. You want water only. If the dr. says her cervical mucus is too thick to begin with ask if she can take cough syrup to thin it out.
Here is something that you might want to look at :
HMG is considered a gonadotropin, Unlike clomiphene, which looks to stimulate the pituitary gland, gonadotropins attempt to directly affect the ovaries and stimulate follicle development.
You can look up HMG injectables and you'll find stuff on it. Personally when i went to my very first Obgyn and said that after 3months I felt that there was something wrong, he was being very aggresive and that turned me and my dh off to trying to figure out what was wrong. I wished i had done what he asked because I would have #1 found out that i had had thyroid disease a month sooner and maybe not of had to have waited to have child #2.(since i had thyroid disease it took some time to find the right endo, but the Obgyn would have fixed it for me and helped me get pg wiht drugs). I was scared and dh didnt want to have to go to dr. to see if he was "ok". Hind sight is 20/20 ya know! But all in all I actually wound up going back to him for my 4th pregnancy. LOL I just wanted to say that if your dr. is competant and the hairs on the back on your neck dont stand on end and that you find him creapy then I would have to say go for it.
But please be advised that you might get more than one egg that is good. I will tell you though that with all the clomid and even the only Injectable cycle i did i always had a few good great big old eggs. And the two times i got pg it was only a single baby. Not more. Please also be aware that they IF your wife gets pregnant with triplets or more they will ask you if you want to have a "reduction". Basically they are asking if you want to abort or terminate so you only have two or one since they think that is safer. I had a great Catholic dr. (I am catholic and she knew it) and asked her not to ask me that question if it wound up that i would have more than two. She said ok. So make sure you know and make sure your dr.s know what you want and dont want done or asked. Something like type of question right when wife finds out she is pg might push her into being a very cranky wife and woman that becomes a mamabear. Just a little fyi is all, especially if she is going to be all dopped up on the hormonal phase of this and cranky to begin with. LOL
Just keep the frying pans out of the way of her path and you should make it through this cycle with a baby and NO bruises.! Good luck to you and HER!
Remember , have her print out what the side effects are and mark them down as she gets them and just laugh it off. It helped us and sure saved us from being those couples that divorce over infertility.
Hugs to her for doing this and you too! Sticky sticky babydust! Try to only have you and her drink water. NOTHING more. Coffee and sodas make sperm too thick and cervical mucus too thick as well. You want water only. If the dr. says her cervical mucus is too thick to begin with ask if she can take cough syrup to thin it out.
choclate
06-18-2007, 04:08 AM
Mama
Thats a great response.
Another doc (not that competent) made my wife frieghtened as she told her that she might get hair on her face and body as a result of these hormonal injections. Is this true.
Second thing which I want to ask is; How much chances are increased as a result of this procedure.
Yeap. She is trying hard. She is a brave woman and am a supporting man. :)
Thats a great response.
Another doc (not that competent) made my wife frieghtened as she told her that she might get hair on her face and body as a result of these hormonal injections. Is this true.
Second thing which I want to ask is; How much chances are increased as a result of this procedure.
Yeap. She is trying hard. She is a brave woman and am a supporting man. :)
prairie_dawn
06-19-2007, 12:09 AM
OH choclate I am so sorry they said that to her. How insensitive of them!...I will have to say that I have never heard that and if it is I never got it. I got more facial hair during my pregnancies though but nothing that anyone else would notice except me of course. It went away after the each baby was born.
I would have to say that the chances are so much better with doing the IUI then doing the drugs and just having sex.
I must say that we lucked out with only doing it once for 2nd child and we did 4 with 3rd then waited a month and tried again with Gonal F and IUi and got pregnant with that. So we were very lucky, not all people get it that fast. But I can say that during that time it was so hard because even though it took a short time those drugs and all the tests and the seman analasys and all that was just crappy. I cant imagine what its like for someone to go through it longer than that. I remember once we were supposed to do a SA the day before and we just couldnt wait (we were not supposed to have sex that day) and we did. It was great and we didnt give a hoot. the person doing the SA was so mad and I said well next time you wanna "do it";) You stop and wait and see if you can make it;) LOL It sure puts a damper on things and makes you feel that sex it controlled but in the long run I think IUI brings the sperm where it should be faster and that always helps.
Maybe you and she will get lucky and have twins. that would be nice.
We named our children after passed on family members to carry on their names. We did not go with the new wave of names...we like traditional ones like Margaret or Teresa.
I sure hope this next round works...Just tell her that she shoudl drink water only but can have alcohol as long as she doesnt use it as a hydrating drink.
good luck, when is the next one? Is she doing to do the trigger shot? the trigger shot is done two days prior to the IUI. It releases the egg then you wait two days and have IUI. I always got the trigger shot.
and let me tell ya, i had to give it to myself one time because the nurse wasnt there and holy cow i was sweating it was so horrible to think i was going to put that 2 inch needle in my upper but . dr said to start at 6pm(i had to take it by 6:30pm) she said i would get scared and it would take 30mins before i did it. she was so right. :-) I cried and dh said would you like me to do it. I was like no i will (i new he couldnt) so finally i did it and I felt like such an arse. I twisted the needle while it went in, help my breathe till it was all the way in and it didnt hurt too badl. THen i squeezed the stuff in and that stung but man it didnt hurt like i thought it would. I never let them give it to me again. I from then on gave it to myself. I did the injectables in my tummy and thigh myself as well.
oh good luck to her! (hugs)
I would have to say that the chances are so much better with doing the IUI then doing the drugs and just having sex.
I must say that we lucked out with only doing it once for 2nd child and we did 4 with 3rd then waited a month and tried again with Gonal F and IUi and got pregnant with that. So we were very lucky, not all people get it that fast. But I can say that during that time it was so hard because even though it took a short time those drugs and all the tests and the seman analasys and all that was just crappy. I cant imagine what its like for someone to go through it longer than that. I remember once we were supposed to do a SA the day before and we just couldnt wait (we were not supposed to have sex that day) and we did. It was great and we didnt give a hoot. the person doing the SA was so mad and I said well next time you wanna "do it";) You stop and wait and see if you can make it;) LOL It sure puts a damper on things and makes you feel that sex it controlled but in the long run I think IUI brings the sperm where it should be faster and that always helps.
Maybe you and she will get lucky and have twins. that would be nice.
We named our children after passed on family members to carry on their names. We did not go with the new wave of names...we like traditional ones like Margaret or Teresa.
I sure hope this next round works...Just tell her that she shoudl drink water only but can have alcohol as long as she doesnt use it as a hydrating drink.
good luck, when is the next one? Is she doing to do the trigger shot? the trigger shot is done two days prior to the IUI. It releases the egg then you wait two days and have IUI. I always got the trigger shot.
and let me tell ya, i had to give it to myself one time because the nurse wasnt there and holy cow i was sweating it was so horrible to think i was going to put that 2 inch needle in my upper but . dr said to start at 6pm(i had to take it by 6:30pm) she said i would get scared and it would take 30mins before i did it. she was so right. :-) I cried and dh said would you like me to do it. I was like no i will (i new he couldnt) so finally i did it and I felt like such an arse. I twisted the needle while it went in, help my breathe till it was all the way in and it didnt hurt too badl. THen i squeezed the stuff in and that stung but man it didnt hurt like i thought it would. I never let them give it to me again. I from then on gave it to myself. I did the injectables in my tummy and thigh myself as well.
oh good luck to her! (hugs)
choclate
06-19-2007, 04:34 PM
Yea. I think that she is going to have that final shot so that the egg is released in the next 36 hours after the shot.
The doctor on our recent visit on day 9 said after 5 injections said that the things are looking very good and we should have it this time. But, then he said that he had thought the same way the last time. So, it is all upto luck and chance. My sperms are going to stay there alive and able to fertilize for only 6 to 12 hours and during that time her egg has to come in and take part. It is such a breif period. You are way too lucky to go through the very first time. We weren't that lucky. But, our doc didn't go for long with Clomid. He turned to injectibles the next cycle.
Another question to you. Did you get your tubes checked before IUI or not. Just a side question.
About Water. Yeap. She is drinking a lot of water. Drinks a lot always. She doesn't drink alcohol. Way too careful.
Another one. Can we DO ahum ahum after IUI or close the periods days. Can this in anyway effect the process of conceiving or its initial development.
Can I get stats of your husband's semen if thats not too personal. I have mentioned mine in the very first post I think (if not they are there somewhere). Like I am more interested in the volume of semen. Mine is a bit less. How much this quantity factor is an issue.
Thanks again for all the help.
The doctor on our recent visit on day 9 said after 5 injections said that the things are looking very good and we should have it this time. But, then he said that he had thought the same way the last time. So, it is all upto luck and chance. My sperms are going to stay there alive and able to fertilize for only 6 to 12 hours and during that time her egg has to come in and take part. It is such a breif period. You are way too lucky to go through the very first time. We weren't that lucky. But, our doc didn't go for long with Clomid. He turned to injectibles the next cycle.
Another question to you. Did you get your tubes checked before IUI or not. Just a side question.
About Water. Yeap. She is drinking a lot of water. Drinks a lot always. She doesn't drink alcohol. Way too careful.
Another one. Can we DO ahum ahum after IUI or close the periods days. Can this in anyway effect the process of conceiving or its initial development.
Can I get stats of your husband's semen if thats not too personal. I have mentioned mine in the very first post I think (if not they are there somewhere). Like I am more interested in the volume of semen. Mine is a bit less. How much this quantity factor is an issue.
Thanks again for all the help.
prairie_dawn
06-19-2007, 08:39 PM
Um not to be bold but I need to say this.....If dear wife is not a drinker at all then dont worry about it. If she is just not drinking because she is in fear, i certainly understand that but would like to say that a glass of red wine helps get the juices flowing. At least that was what my RE said and we use to have a glass of wine (or two) the night before the iui then the night of the iui while we were bd'ing. Just a thought for her , i never noticed an alcohol hindering the IUI's at all. In fact I was drinking the night i conceived 4th child and we didnt know it! LOL
I pray for your wife and for you. I am glad your dr. said that he thinks this is it. It is nice of him to have a good attitude. You certainly dont want a man to say well lets see, cuz to be honest your wife would smack the crap out of him for saying it! LOL Glad he is supportive. I know some people dont want to hear it but it is all about timing at this point and it does take time. There is always a reason for everything. we just having figured out why yet!
be back when kids sleeping ;)
I pray for your wife and for you. I am glad your dr. said that he thinks this is it. It is nice of him to have a good attitude. You certainly dont want a man to say well lets see, cuz to be honest your wife would smack the crap out of him for saying it! LOL Glad he is supportive. I know some people dont want to hear it but it is all about timing at this point and it does take time. There is always a reason for everything. we just having figured out why yet!
be back when kids sleeping ;)
prairie_dawn
06-19-2007, 11:31 PM
First one was a Seman Ananlysis ONLY(not a wash)
Results
Volume 3.2
Count 22.5
Motility 31.1%
Motility density 7
Total motile sperm 22.4
A) rapid Linear 3.10%
B) slow or non linear 21.80%
C) non prog motile 6.20%
D) non motile 68.90%
Normal morphology 6%
Slight abnormal forms 4%
Sperm viability blank
HOS blank
Coiled sperm tails blank
Normals
>=2ml
>=20mill/ml
>=50%
>=8.0mill/ml
>=20 mill/ejaculate
>=25%
>=25% or A+B>=50%
<10%
<=50%
Normal > 14% normal forms
Method : strict criteria
>65%
>=50%
blank
This is the best way I could get this up here. the normals will match up to the results. They are in order.
Results
Volume 3.2
Count 22.5
Motility 31.1%
Motility density 7
Total motile sperm 22.4
A) rapid Linear 3.10%
B) slow or non linear 21.80%
C) non prog motile 6.20%
D) non motile 68.90%
Normal morphology 6%
Slight abnormal forms 4%
Sperm viability blank
HOS blank
Coiled sperm tails blank
Normals
>=2ml
>=20mill/ml
>=50%
>=8.0mill/ml
>=20 mill/ejaculate
>=25%
>=25% or A+B>=50%
<10%
<=50%
Normal > 14% normal forms
Method : strict criteria
>65%
>=50%
blank
This is the best way I could get this up here. the normals will match up to the results. They are in order.
prairie_dawn
06-19-2007, 11:41 PM
This was the next month that I used clomid BUT did the IUI with it.
Initial
Volume 3.7 ml
Count 21.0 mill/ml
Motility 47.6%
A) rapid Linear 20.0%
B) slow or non linear 50.0%
D) non motile 30.0%
Motile Density 10 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 37 mill/sample
IUI(Intrauterine Insemination)This is after the wash
Volume 0.5ML
Count 4 mill/ml
Motility 50%
A) rapid Linear 80%
B) slow or non linear 20%
D) non motile 0%
Motile Density 2.0 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 1mill/sample
ICI(Intra Cervical insemination)
Volume 0
Count 0
Motility 0
A) rapid Linear 0
B) slow or non linear 0
D) non motile 0
Motile Density 0
Total Motile sperm 0
This was the first IUI we did and I got pregnant from this. I had clomid and the trigger shot then 2 days later the IUI. At the time of IUI I went in for my ultrasound to make sure my eggs had released and the had.
UMmmmm this brings up a question I have for you and her. Is the dr. doing ultrasounds to check the size of her eggs and also is he checking her estrogen(some call it estrodial or E2) levels during her ovulation time.
For each egg a woman has her estrogen level should be 200 or more for each mature follicle. At the time this IUI was done for me I had 3 eggs measureing I think 24-28 cm's a piece (I was feeling them let me tell ya) and my estrogen level was over 600 meaning all 3 eggs were mature and ready to boogydown! ONly one took.
Initial
Volume 3.7 ml
Count 21.0 mill/ml
Motility 47.6%
A) rapid Linear 20.0%
B) slow or non linear 50.0%
D) non motile 30.0%
Motile Density 10 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 37 mill/sample
IUI(Intrauterine Insemination)This is after the wash
Volume 0.5ML
Count 4 mill/ml
Motility 50%
A) rapid Linear 80%
B) slow or non linear 20%
D) non motile 0%
Motile Density 2.0 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 1mill/sample
ICI(Intra Cervical insemination)
Volume 0
Count 0
Motility 0
A) rapid Linear 0
B) slow or non linear 0
D) non motile 0
Motile Density 0
Total Motile sperm 0
This was the first IUI we did and I got pregnant from this. I had clomid and the trigger shot then 2 days later the IUI. At the time of IUI I went in for my ultrasound to make sure my eggs had released and the had.
UMmmmm this brings up a question I have for you and her. Is the dr. doing ultrasounds to check the size of her eggs and also is he checking her estrogen(some call it estrodial or E2) levels during her ovulation time.
For each egg a woman has her estrogen level should be 200 or more for each mature follicle. At the time this IUI was done for me I had 3 eggs measureing I think 24-28 cm's a piece (I was feeling them let me tell ya) and my estrogen level was over 600 meaning all 3 eggs were mature and ready to boogydown! ONly one took.
prairie_dawn
06-19-2007, 11:56 PM
This was the last one we did that gave us our 3rd child
Initial
Volume 2.3ml
Count 34.0 mill/ml
Motility 68.0%
A) rapid Linear 28.0%
B) slow or non linear 40.0%
D) non motile 32.0%
Motile Density 23.1 mill sample
Total Motile sperm 53.2 mill sample
IUI(Intrauterine Insemination)
Volume 0.5 ml
Count 21 mill/ml
Motility 76%
A) rapid Linear 35%
B) slow or non linear 40%
D) non motile 24%
Motile Density 16.0 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 7.98 mill/sample
ICI(Intra Cervical insemination)
Volume 0.7 ml
Count 13 mill/ml
Motility 46%
A) rapid Linear 0%
B) slow or non linear 46%
D) non motile 54%
Motile Density 6.0 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 4.2 mill sample
I did not enter the ones that did not get us pregnant (the 4 cycles before hand) because they were worse than the one i showed you before.
This was the one that dh had that got me pregnant. I must stress that we did 4 cycles of clomid and IUI july/aug/sept/oct and did not get pregnant. DH stopped drinking anything but water(he drinks too much coffee that is why his sperm is very thick) and although he drinks seltzer he rarely drinks water, he also stopped drinking alcohol since again that would quench his thirst he also started to take Vitamin C tablets every single day for 6 weeks. I think he started when I said we would rest the following month for November.
After the month of rest and just having fun we decided to try again when the period for november came. I was sick and was taking cough syrup. Many infertile woman swear by it, because it loosens up the mucus membranes with the ingredient of Guiefenisin in it. I was taking that and man my cervical mucus was slick and liquidy!(sorry tmi but I think your wife might need to know this). Well dh's sperm wash came back from the IUI and it looked like what i wrote up there.
My estrogen showed over 600 again as I had 3 eggs again(the other 4 times i also did and estrogen was a little lower with them but 2 eggs were good from those others) and this is the cycle that got pregnant.
I sure hope this helps. Remember that you yourself need to be healthy and just try to have fun. It is so hard to I know, it stinks so badly trying to make a baby this way but I would have done it again if I hadnt had 4th on my own. Someone asked me once why if you had to have IUi with 2 would you want to try for another? Arent you happy with what God already gave me? I simply said "yes i am but God isnt done with me yet, and I promised God that I would have as many as I could before I was 35" Usually people just shut up after I say that. LOL
My fingers are crossed for you both!
Initial
Volume 2.3ml
Count 34.0 mill/ml
Motility 68.0%
A) rapid Linear 28.0%
B) slow or non linear 40.0%
D) non motile 32.0%
Motile Density 23.1 mill sample
Total Motile sperm 53.2 mill sample
IUI(Intrauterine Insemination)
Volume 0.5 ml
Count 21 mill/ml
Motility 76%
A) rapid Linear 35%
B) slow or non linear 40%
D) non motile 24%
Motile Density 16.0 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 7.98 mill/sample
ICI(Intra Cervical insemination)
Volume 0.7 ml
Count 13 mill/ml
Motility 46%
A) rapid Linear 0%
B) slow or non linear 46%
D) non motile 54%
Motile Density 6.0 mill/sample
Total Motile sperm 4.2 mill sample
I did not enter the ones that did not get us pregnant (the 4 cycles before hand) because they were worse than the one i showed you before.
This was the one that dh had that got me pregnant. I must stress that we did 4 cycles of clomid and IUI july/aug/sept/oct and did not get pregnant. DH stopped drinking anything but water(he drinks too much coffee that is why his sperm is very thick) and although he drinks seltzer he rarely drinks water, he also stopped drinking alcohol since again that would quench his thirst he also started to take Vitamin C tablets every single day for 6 weeks. I think he started when I said we would rest the following month for November.
After the month of rest and just having fun we decided to try again when the period for november came. I was sick and was taking cough syrup. Many infertile woman swear by it, because it loosens up the mucus membranes with the ingredient of Guiefenisin in it. I was taking that and man my cervical mucus was slick and liquidy!(sorry tmi but I think your wife might need to know this). Well dh's sperm wash came back from the IUI and it looked like what i wrote up there.
My estrogen showed over 600 again as I had 3 eggs again(the other 4 times i also did and estrogen was a little lower with them but 2 eggs were good from those others) and this is the cycle that got pregnant.
I sure hope this helps. Remember that you yourself need to be healthy and just try to have fun. It is so hard to I know, it stinks so badly trying to make a baby this way but I would have done it again if I hadnt had 4th on my own. Someone asked me once why if you had to have IUi with 2 would you want to try for another? Arent you happy with what God already gave me? I simply said "yes i am but God isnt done with me yet, and I promised God that I would have as many as I could before I was 35" Usually people just shut up after I say that. LOL
My fingers are crossed for you both!
choclate
06-20-2007, 09:06 AM
Yeap that is definitely another concern for me. Our doctor is a bit strict one and as per him it is his duty to ensure that only my sperm enter her body. I don't really trust the lab technicians and other people. For them it is day to day routine and I don't really like their attitude. Thats way too casual for me. Although I make sure that the container is properly named but I am not sure about the tubes in which the semen is poured for insertion inside the female. The thing is that one has to be lucky to find that there is no one else for IUI. I am anxiously concerned about this issue. I might end up having DNA test for my baby after its birth. Hopefully I have one.
I would be waiting for the results of the semen. I have always thought that there is something wrong with me when it comes to non-conceiving for a long time.
HSG. Is this process dangerous or can somehow effect the reproductive system of female or what.
About ahum ahum. Well. I think I would rather like to take rest while she is done and over with IUI. It would help me not to take all those issues of pillows and legs in the air and elevated and all.
I would be waiting for the results of the semen. I have always thought that there is something wrong with me when it comes to non-conceiving for a long time.
HSG. Is this process dangerous or can somehow effect the reproductive system of female or what.
About ahum ahum. Well. I think I would rather like to take rest while she is done and over with IUI. It would help me not to take all those issues of pillows and legs in the air and elevated and all.
prairie_dawn
06-20-2007, 09:31 AM
What I have learned about Andrologist's (sperm washers), they are very casual because they have to be that way so as not to upset the patients. If they were very strict and acted as though they were wearing their boxers to tight you would also have concern.
Andrologist's have to abide by a code as well and they can get into a lot of trouble if they screw up. That is there livelyhood and if they screw up we as a patient can take them for everything they have so to ensure that that does not happen they take their job very seriously. This is from the Andro that did mine. I was a pain in tookus and stayed there while she did what she did and since it was only mine in there, i stayed out side till it was done and over and she was going to put them into tubes and I watched it.
As far as the IUI and bd'ing afterward, they do recomend that you have intercourse to ensure plenty of sperm in there. If she is ovulating the more sperm in there the better, because maybe done from the IUI did anything but the ones that come later go straight there. You never know. The whole elevating and pillows and stuff is really nothing. If you decide to do anything then do it right before bedtime so there is no getting up and that shoudl be sufficient.
Remember the Andro's have to be casual to ensure that you are not scared or nervous about doing what you have to go do.
I will look up your SA and see what your results were.
Andrologist's have to abide by a code as well and they can get into a lot of trouble if they screw up. That is there livelyhood and if they screw up we as a patient can take them for everything they have so to ensure that that does not happen they take their job very seriously. This is from the Andro that did mine. I was a pain in tookus and stayed there while she did what she did and since it was only mine in there, i stayed out side till it was done and over and she was going to put them into tubes and I watched it.
As far as the IUI and bd'ing afterward, they do recomend that you have intercourse to ensure plenty of sperm in there. If she is ovulating the more sperm in there the better, because maybe done from the IUI did anything but the ones that come later go straight there. You never know. The whole elevating and pillows and stuff is really nothing. If you decide to do anything then do it right before bedtime so there is no getting up and that shoudl be sufficient.
Remember the Andro's have to be casual to ensure that you are not scared or nervous about doing what you have to go do.
I will look up your SA and see what your results were.
prairie_dawn
06-20-2007, 09:51 AM
Chocolate, after reading about your wifes hostile cervical mucus I would have to agree with your dr. to be more aggresive and use injectable drugs to produce better eggs and do the IUI. THe iui is going to bypass her mucus and go straight to the uterus and the cervix. So only one has to catch up to the egg or wait for it depending.
My post coital's were never great either. I have very acidic ph down there and it all depends on what you eat. Your body should be acidic down there because that keeps away yeast infections. Alkaline and warmth reek havoc and cause yeasties to come.....So drinking orange juice and cranberry juice help a woman to stay away from yeast infections. But too much can cause her ph to be too high. That is why we say only water. To keep her body working properly she can start eating yogurt every day. It has bacteria that will help everything stay in tip top shape down there. IF she does not want to eat the yogurt(doesnt like it or doesnt want to gain weight from eating it) then there are pills she can also take as a suppliment.
YOur SA was fine count was certainly more than most i have seen, but again it only takes one and a lot of luck.
the IUI in this case is well worth it as you wont have to deal with the whole acidic mucus.
TRY to relax and just be casual as she is going through this and remember laugh at the reactions she will get with her treatment. Make a bet when the hot flashes start , bet her a night out she gets it before a certain day. When she rages out at you tell her ok dear no problem. My dh has always said men MUST get the last word when it comes to wearing the pants in the house.....its "yes dear" ! LOL Men make the money and rear children with an iron fist, while mama rules with a fryin pan!
You too will soon put this all behind you and have a baby on the way soon I hope. And maybe after a year or so you will go back the this RE and try for another. Mine middle two are 18months apart because I thought it woudl take a yr to get pg again on the drugs, i had no idea it would only take 6months.
Just a tip for when you do get pregnant and she has baby and wants another. Please wait at least 6months from after she stops nursing(if that is what you are going to do). I say this because nursing causes many changes and I stopped when baby was 3months and when he was 5months started ttc with drugs and the IUI. I do think that the 4 cycles were un successful because I was still getting over nursing and body was in a state of mothering still. So take your time and have fun with baby and enjoy and then when you are done with the nursing then wait a bit and start again. Sometimes after a birth you are very fertile and dont need help.;)
But to help her with the acidic mucus there are things that she can do to help make it not so acidic. DRinking water helps. Soda does not cause CM to be acidic. But orange juice and cranberry juice do, so there are things she can stay away from as well.
ohhhhh good luck. cant wiat for the IUI
My post coital's were never great either. I have very acidic ph down there and it all depends on what you eat. Your body should be acidic down there because that keeps away yeast infections. Alkaline and warmth reek havoc and cause yeasties to come.....So drinking orange juice and cranberry juice help a woman to stay away from yeast infections. But too much can cause her ph to be too high. That is why we say only water. To keep her body working properly she can start eating yogurt every day. It has bacteria that will help everything stay in tip top shape down there. IF she does not want to eat the yogurt(doesnt like it or doesnt want to gain weight from eating it) then there are pills she can also take as a suppliment.
YOur SA was fine count was certainly more than most i have seen, but again it only takes one and a lot of luck.
the IUI in this case is well worth it as you wont have to deal with the whole acidic mucus.
TRY to relax and just be casual as she is going through this and remember laugh at the reactions she will get with her treatment. Make a bet when the hot flashes start , bet her a night out she gets it before a certain day. When she rages out at you tell her ok dear no problem. My dh has always said men MUST get the last word when it comes to wearing the pants in the house.....its "yes dear" ! LOL Men make the money and rear children with an iron fist, while mama rules with a fryin pan!
You too will soon put this all behind you and have a baby on the way soon I hope. And maybe after a year or so you will go back the this RE and try for another. Mine middle two are 18months apart because I thought it woudl take a yr to get pg again on the drugs, i had no idea it would only take 6months.
Just a tip for when you do get pregnant and she has baby and wants another. Please wait at least 6months from after she stops nursing(if that is what you are going to do). I say this because nursing causes many changes and I stopped when baby was 3months and when he was 5months started ttc with drugs and the IUI. I do think that the 4 cycles were un successful because I was still getting over nursing and body was in a state of mothering still. So take your time and have fun with baby and enjoy and then when you are done with the nursing then wait a bit and start again. Sometimes after a birth you are very fertile and dont need help.;)
But to help her with the acidic mucus there are things that she can do to help make it not so acidic. DRinking water helps. Soda does not cause CM to be acidic. But orange juice and cranberry juice do, so there are things she can stay away from as well.
ohhhhh good luck. cant wiat for the IUI
choclate
06-21-2007, 01:28 AM
Thanks a lot for this detailed information on Semen Analysis. It was really nice of you.
I think looking at this rationally I can assume that my sperm count is fair enough. I have given the stats of my semen test on first post and I would love to get some comments from you. The only problem I get is that while depositing semen for IUI I am not able to ejaculate and usually get tense. I tend to take the container to home which is near by and give sample from there but as I have this in mind that the doctor is waiting for me I always do it in a hurry and my semen is usually not more than 1-1.5 ml. The count though covers the overall impact as the count in the last IUI reached up to 131 million per ML with a motility of 56%. So, it was fairly good overall.
About the doctor checking for estrogens. I think he doesn't check for estrogens. He is a very casual doctor and it she doesn't conceive this time I think I am going to change him. I need to know how what other doctors do to know how good is this one. Moreover, he doesn't believe in telling a lot of technical details as if we are living in 80s where no body knew anything about this whole conceiving thing. With the advent of Internet I think we have as much knowledge about the whole process as doctors have.
On 9th day, after 5 days of injections, he did the ultrasound and as per him the development is good and he has given another 4. On Saturday it would be told that when IUI would be done. I don't know if it would be right away on Saturday or what.
Seeing your IUI I can safely assume that your IUI was more planned and well structured. You knew more about yourself and what was happening around unlike us. So, I think if we get it this time again. It would be a fluke too.
It is such a waste of lots of money.
I am not feeling good about this doc now.
I think looking at this rationally I can assume that my sperm count is fair enough. I have given the stats of my semen test on first post and I would love to get some comments from you. The only problem I get is that while depositing semen for IUI I am not able to ejaculate and usually get tense. I tend to take the container to home which is near by and give sample from there but as I have this in mind that the doctor is waiting for me I always do it in a hurry and my semen is usually not more than 1-1.5 ml. The count though covers the overall impact as the count in the last IUI reached up to 131 million per ML with a motility of 56%. So, it was fairly good overall.
About the doctor checking for estrogens. I think he doesn't check for estrogens. He is a very casual doctor and it she doesn't conceive this time I think I am going to change him. I need to know how what other doctors do to know how good is this one. Moreover, he doesn't believe in telling a lot of technical details as if we are living in 80s where no body knew anything about this whole conceiving thing. With the advent of Internet I think we have as much knowledge about the whole process as doctors have.
On 9th day, after 5 days of injections, he did the ultrasound and as per him the development is good and he has given another 4. On Saturday it would be told that when IUI would be done. I don't know if it would be right away on Saturday or what.
Seeing your IUI I can safely assume that your IUI was more planned and well structured. You knew more about yourself and what was happening around unlike us. So, I think if we get it this time again. It would be a fluke too.
It is such a waste of lots of money.
I am not feeling good about this doc now.
choclate
06-21-2007, 01:36 AM
Keeping my fingers crossed. Hope we go through this time.
prairie_dawn
06-21-2007, 09:57 AM
I do hope you get through this time as well. Your dr. might be what he is BUT you can demand to know things and ask questions. Ask him why he isnt doing blood work to confirm if her estrogen levels are at peak when she ovulates. Just because her eggs look big and good doesnt mean squat if her estrogen is poor. He might say that the ultrasound confirms big egg and that would indicate that the estrogen level is good as well NO this does not. I have a nice egg on my very ultrasound(this was a trial run before clomid). My egg was a good size and timeing was great but my estrogen was 117 that meant that that pretty egg that was great right was not going to be fertilized because the low estrogen indicated that it was not good quality. It happens and you need to feel comforatble with your dr.. What I woudl recomend is ask him questions and demand answers. he wont know what you want unless you ask. Some people dont ask because they dont want to know. Dr's dont say anything because they assume if you wanted to know you would ask. Before you feel like you have wasted your time ask him to check her levels during hte time of ovulation. see what he says, this would be the two days before the IUI and mine use to do it the day of the IUI as well.
choclate
06-25-2007, 03:36 AM
Hey Mama
How are you doing there. Well, definitely I think we need to discuss a few things with him this time. Especially the tubes and hormonal level. The IUI is expected to occur on Wednesday. The size of her egg is 13 mm, so it is not fit for IUI. Wednesday would be her 17th day of cycle. Don't know if that day is fine because he has been doing IUI on 13th and 15th day for the last two times. May be he wasn't monitoring properly. This time he seems pretty serious. Yea, after a few thousand bucks he had to.
Now, I have another question. Well, I ask you these because I think that you are pretty informed individual. My question is that for the last two IUIs my total semen volume is no more than 1 - 1.5 ml. The test that was originally taken suggested that it was 3 ml but then that test was taken after 5 days of abstinence. As per the doc he only needs 20 million healthy sperms and mine turn out to be about 30 million per ml. For IUI they are definitely fine. But, my question is that can I be the reason for non conceiving because naturally I am ejaculating lesser fluid than normal for conceiving. After a gap of 4 days I might ejaculate 3 ml but every 2nd day I am ejaculating only 1 ml which is our normal practice to have sex. Should we increase the gap between our sexual intercourse. Can 1 ml be enough for natural conceiving when it has high sperm count (Note that the penis size is about 7 inches which enables the sperms to be deposited close the its destination so they don't have to travel extra inches). I am confused and seems like am blaming myself for all this.
How are you doing there. Well, definitely I think we need to discuss a few things with him this time. Especially the tubes and hormonal level. The IUI is expected to occur on Wednesday. The size of her egg is 13 mm, so it is not fit for IUI. Wednesday would be her 17th day of cycle. Don't know if that day is fine because he has been doing IUI on 13th and 15th day for the last two times. May be he wasn't monitoring properly. This time he seems pretty serious. Yea, after a few thousand bucks he had to.
Now, I have another question. Well, I ask you these because I think that you are pretty informed individual. My question is that for the last two IUIs my total semen volume is no more than 1 - 1.5 ml. The test that was originally taken suggested that it was 3 ml but then that test was taken after 5 days of abstinence. As per the doc he only needs 20 million healthy sperms and mine turn out to be about 30 million per ml. For IUI they are definitely fine. But, my question is that can I be the reason for non conceiving because naturally I am ejaculating lesser fluid than normal for conceiving. After a gap of 4 days I might ejaculate 3 ml but every 2nd day I am ejaculating only 1 ml which is our normal practice to have sex. Should we increase the gap between our sexual intercourse. Can 1 ml be enough for natural conceiving when it has high sperm count (Note that the penis size is about 7 inches which enables the sperms to be deposited close the its destination so they don't have to travel extra inches). I am confused and seems like am blaming myself for all this.
prairie_dawn
06-25-2007, 10:27 PM
wait when was her last ultrasound to find out that her egg was 13mm? was it today, yesterday? By wednesday it might be bigger BUT you cant tell unless he actually takes an estrodial blood test to see this. I personally think he is wasting your time and you should demand that he take these tests.
I do not feel this is your sperm as your levels seem fine and you have no idea what hers are. what is wrong with this guy not testing her during these cycles.
IF she had U/S today and it showed that her egg is 13mm if he would have taken an estrodial (estrogen) level today he might be able to compare it to wednesdays level if he were to take one as well. You need those numbers to see if her eggs are good. Low estrogen levels during this time means her eggs are poor and needs a boost or bigger boost. He wont know unless he does it. I think this iui will be a waste of time if he doesnt do the blood work. Call tomorrow and demand that he give you answers about this.
This iui might be the one and that would be great but wow for him to make you do this and pay all this money and NOT do blood work is so poor of him...What if you dont get pg this time will he then start.why didnt he do that to begin with to see if her levels at ovulation were poor 3months ago . He wasted all that money and he is a jerk. Call tomorrow and find out, i would threaten him and say that you are both upset that he should have been taking blood tests to show the levels and now are upset and might not do the IUI therefore wont pay for it and see what he says to that!
grrrrrrrrrr he is really getting me angry.
I do not feel this is your sperm as your levels seem fine and you have no idea what hers are. what is wrong with this guy not testing her during these cycles.
IF she had U/S today and it showed that her egg is 13mm if he would have taken an estrodial (estrogen) level today he might be able to compare it to wednesdays level if he were to take one as well. You need those numbers to see if her eggs are good. Low estrogen levels during this time means her eggs are poor and needs a boost or bigger boost. He wont know unless he does it. I think this iui will be a waste of time if he doesnt do the blood work. Call tomorrow and demand that he give you answers about this.
This iui might be the one and that would be great but wow for him to make you do this and pay all this money and NOT do blood work is so poor of him...What if you dont get pg this time will he then start.why didnt he do that to begin with to see if her levels at ovulation were poor 3months ago . He wasted all that money and he is a jerk. Call tomorrow and find out, i would threaten him and say that you are both upset that he should have been taking blood tests to show the levels and now are upset and might not do the IUI therefore wont pay for it and see what he says to that!
grrrrrrrrrr he is really getting me angry.
choclate
07-03-2007, 02:05 AM
So here I am again.
The IUI has been done after rigorous stimulation of the ovaries. Apparently multiple eggs were released and and IUI was conducted on two days. The gap was 1 day between the two IUIs. The wife has been asked to use Progesterone internally for sustaining of the pregnancy, if ever it occurs.
The count was good but the volume was not up to the mark. 1 ml again.
Just afraid that if everything is right with her and still the signs are not there for pregnancy, there has to be something wrong with me. They say that sperms may not be able to fertilize even if they are healthy and have a good motility due to their chemical nature. I am a bit afraid.
The IUI has been done after rigorous stimulation of the ovaries. Apparently multiple eggs were released and and IUI was conducted on two days. The gap was 1 day between the two IUIs. The wife has been asked to use Progesterone internally for sustaining of the pregnancy, if ever it occurs.
The count was good but the volume was not up to the mark. 1 ml again.
Just afraid that if everything is right with her and still the signs are not there for pregnancy, there has to be something wrong with me. They say that sperms may not be able to fertilize even if they are healthy and have a good motility due to their chemical nature. I am a bit afraid.
choclate
07-10-2007, 09:15 AM
I am totally disappointed. Reason. Well you know. Third unsuccessful IUI.
I think I cannot ever be a father.
I think these reproductive techniques are useless.
I think I cannot ever be a father.
I think these reproductive techniques are useless.
Blastoff9600
07-10-2007, 05:31 PM
That is one of the down sides to infertility treatments they can be very hit or miss. For some people they get pregnant their first treatment while others it drags on for years. I have one couple that tried on their own for 5 yrs and then started doing IUI with drugs. They did that for 6 cycles with no pregnancy. Lucky them they had the money to move onto the next stage of IVF. They tried for 6 cycles with nothing to show for it. The wife was ready to give up and the husband asked for one more try. Cheesy as it sounds but apparently that 7th time was their lucky hit. The got a beautiful boy that way. That baby is 2 now and they are considering going through it all again. Go figure.
Find out what your current drs success rate is. Sometimes that can be a clue in helping decide if you should continue with that dr or not. If are can talk to other couples who use that dr and see how things have been for them.
It is a tough road but the rewards can be so worth every disappointment in the end.
Find out what your current drs success rate is. Sometimes that can be a clue in helping decide if you should continue with that dr or not. If are can talk to other couples who use that dr and see how things have been for them.
It is a tough road but the rewards can be so worth every disappointment in the end.
choclate
07-11-2007, 07:12 PM
Well the word of mouth from other patients of the doctor is that he is pretty much professional and his success rate is good. I don't know if it would be easy to go through all so many IVFs again and again. Well, 3 IUIs have already occured. But, obviously we would try for IVF once of twice but not more. I think IVF costs a bit too much.
prairie_dawn
07-12-2007, 09:18 PM
Oh chocolate and mrs. Choclate, i am so sorry . It has only been 3 iui's though. You are not saying that the dr. is suggesting that you go to IVF now are you? I had at least 4 iui's with clomid and hten rested then went to injectable with iui and got pg.
some women do 8 iui's i have seen 10 as well. Not saying that is right or wrong but it was with different drugs. Are the dr's saying that there is something wrong with your sperm? Sperm wash for IUI shoudl make them fine. It is only a matter of timing at this point. And that is what makes it hard...timing is everyhing and it sucks.
I am so so sorry about this. I have been very busy and popped in to see you over here. GOod luck with the next round.!
FIngers crossed
some women do 8 iui's i have seen 10 as well. Not saying that is right or wrong but it was with different drugs. Are the dr's saying that there is something wrong with your sperm? Sperm wash for IUI shoudl make them fine. It is only a matter of timing at this point. And that is what makes it hard...timing is everyhing and it sucks.
I am so so sorry about this. I have been very busy and popped in to see you over here. GOod luck with the next round.!
FIngers crossed
choclate
07-13-2007, 11:16 AM
We two are pretty much disappointed. I don't know how many times would it go on. It is all about conceiving once. Once we would do it we would know that all is fine and we can at least be hopeful.
It was our third IUI.
I don't know if the pattern was right or not. First cycle was natural. Second was on Clomid and third on injectables. Isn't it a bit of a haste. It seems that way to me at least.
The doctor has not suggested anything yet. Infact we have not gone to the doctor yet. Is there anything left other than IVF.
It was our third IUI.
I don't know if the pattern was right or not. First cycle was natural. Second was on Clomid and third on injectables. Isn't it a bit of a haste. It seems that way to me at least.
The doctor has not suggested anything yet. Infact we have not gone to the doctor yet. Is there anything left other than IVF.
prairie_dawn
07-13-2007, 12:30 PM
Wait you havent seenthe specialist yet correct?
I forget if the gyn did blood work during certain days? days, 3,7,12,14,16,18,21,27?
So she has only been on drugs for 2 cycles then. well many can go 10 or so cycles. 2 cycles is a very short period and some say it takes about 4-5. You have to be patient and it bites big time that is for sure. I know I know, i have 4 and I shouldnt say you should be patient, but I have been there, the worry is painful and stressful and that is not what she needs. What you need is to just do the iui's and have some fun. Forget about it for a while, just have a drink (which will not have any impact on her fertility at all) and relax. It is so hard to say to do this but truely you can become overwhelmed with this crap.
I highly recomend seeing the speicalist. I know the dr. doesnt want to send you but it's time to go.
I forget if the gyn did blood work during certain days? days, 3,7,12,14,16,18,21,27?
So she has only been on drugs for 2 cycles then. well many can go 10 or so cycles. 2 cycles is a very short period and some say it takes about 4-5. You have to be patient and it bites big time that is for sure. I know I know, i have 4 and I shouldnt say you should be patient, but I have been there, the worry is painful and stressful and that is not what she needs. What you need is to just do the iui's and have some fun. Forget about it for a while, just have a drink (which will not have any impact on her fertility at all) and relax. It is so hard to say to do this but truely you can become overwhelmed with this crap.
I highly recomend seeing the speicalist. I know the dr. doesnt want to send you but it's time to go.
choclate
07-14-2007, 10:49 AM
Lucky Mama of 4
This doc is a fertility specialist. Infact a FRCS. So, as per his degrees, clinic board and word of the mouth by many he is good enough to treat infertile couples like US. But, I think it is time to change this one to someone better. We have 3 or 4 good names but changing doctors means starting it all over again. This is what is most stressful.Most doctors wouldn't give you a detailed report of everything. For instance the post coital test might not have a report. We do have every other report but obviously he doesn't give us every report. So, the next doctor would ask for everything again. It would be pretty stressful.
This month we are going to have free holidays and free sex. Enough of IUIs for the time being. We might have another 2 or 3 or whatever but not yet. May be in 3 months time. Both of us are freaked out.
But, I would keep coming up here and would update you and all on our recent trip to the doctor. Hope he comes up with something other than plain UNEXPLAINED INFERTILITY.
This doc is a fertility specialist. Infact a FRCS. So, as per his degrees, clinic board and word of the mouth by many he is good enough to treat infertile couples like US. But, I think it is time to change this one to someone better. We have 3 or 4 good names but changing doctors means starting it all over again. This is what is most stressful.Most doctors wouldn't give you a detailed report of everything. For instance the post coital test might not have a report. We do have every other report but obviously he doesn't give us every report. So, the next doctor would ask for everything again. It would be pretty stressful.
This month we are going to have free holidays and free sex. Enough of IUIs for the time being. We might have another 2 or 3 or whatever but not yet. May be in 3 months time. Both of us are freaked out.
But, I would keep coming up here and would update you and all on our recent trip to the doctor. Hope he comes up with something other than plain UNEXPLAINED INFERTILITY.
prairie_dawn
07-18-2007, 11:24 AM
dear mr. and mrs. choc good luck with your just letting go for now. Remember have a few drinks and just enjoy eachother. You both deserve it.
also ask the dr's for a copy of all your records. They have to give you all of their medical history as well not just lab work. So the notes in there will show what hte Post coital was. I didnt have lab work either for that stuff, it was just in the dr's notes and the new dr. will read that and see it.
But the new dr. might want to start from scratch and that wouldnt nessearly be a bad thing dear.
good luck
also ask the dr's for a copy of all your records. They have to give you all of their medical history as well not just lab work. So the notes in there will show what hte Post coital was. I didnt have lab work either for that stuff, it was just in the dr's notes and the new dr. will read that and see it.
But the new dr. might want to start from scratch and that wouldnt nessearly be a bad thing dear.
good luck
choclate
07-19-2007, 12:35 AM
Yeap you are right that new tests might be a good thing. Infact we want all the tests to be repeated to confirm things. But, we are going to meet our previous doctor for the last time on saturday. But, as you know that we can't shut doors on him we need to act a bit hypcritically to get his notes. Mostly, I have heard they don't give them completely (making the job of the competitor difficult or to avoid the chances of getting caught of a mistake he did).
But, its sure that we are going to change him, unless, unless, he does something different.
But, its sure that we are going to change him, unless, unless, he does something different.
choclate
07-23-2007, 04:09 PM
An astrologer friend told us that we would have a child by the end of 2007. Any help is good. Hahaha. Don't believe in that though. :)
Seems like we are tired. Haven't even gone to the doctor yet. Might be that we are psychologically not ready for any thing more at this point.
Seems like we are tired. Haven't even gone to the doctor yet. Might be that we are psychologically not ready for any thing more at this point.
choclate
10-19-2007, 05:45 PM
Yea, am free and am alone at this moment. Why not refresh the wounds. 3 IUIs. All unsuccessful. Don't know what is the next step. I think IUIs were poorly managed.
Are you there all who supported me.
Are you there all who supported me.