mikesgirl
12-29-2006, 07:47 PM
I am curious as to how opiate pain meds and tramadol help other people.
I take both of them for pain, and honestly I can't say they take the pain away as much as they make me forget about it.
What about the rest of you? What do you take and how does it help?
Thanks!
I take both of them for pain, and honestly I can't say they take the pain away as much as they make me forget about it.
What about the rest of you? What do you take and how does it help?
Thanks!
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IZZY'SMOM
12-29-2006, 07:53 PM
Hi Mikes~
I use Fentanyl patch 50 and vicoprofen 7.5 for b/t meds. I had seizures on the Ultram because I had a serious head injury. I had a doc prescribe them to me who didnt know what he was doing. Anyway, I am happier now, I wish I could possibly have a stonger b/t med at times, but I cant complain today. If its the first 12-15 on my patch , i try not to do anything that requires me to drive, ect. but I cannot always prevent that. What I can say, is that what i am on right now gives me one sure day of getting things done for SURE, and the second day I have to use my b/t ,meds. I just have to cope and try to be thankful for ANY times I feel better than normal. I save my b/t meds for the last day of the 48 on the patch, and for any other b/t i have. For instance, I had b/t pain today at about an 7 on the second day of my patch, which is really unusual, and had to take more of my b/t meds. Its hard to juggle, and try to make it all work out. Please dont get disgouraged, we are all fighting tha same battle, at some point~
Hope you get to feeling better and find the answers you are looking for!
xoxoxoxo
IZZY"SMOM
I use Fentanyl patch 50 and vicoprofen 7.5 for b/t meds. I had seizures on the Ultram because I had a serious head injury. I had a doc prescribe them to me who didnt know what he was doing. Anyway, I am happier now, I wish I could possibly have a stonger b/t med at times, but I cant complain today. If its the first 12-15 on my patch , i try not to do anything that requires me to drive, ect. but I cannot always prevent that. What I can say, is that what i am on right now gives me one sure day of getting things done for SURE, and the second day I have to use my b/t ,meds. I just have to cope and try to be thankful for ANY times I feel better than normal. I save my b/t meds for the last day of the 48 on the patch, and for any other b/t i have. For instance, I had b/t pain today at about an 7 on the second day of my patch, which is really unusual, and had to take more of my b/t meds. Its hard to juggle, and try to make it all work out. Please dont get disgouraged, we are all fighting tha same battle, at some point~
Hope you get to feeling better and find the answers you are looking for!
xoxoxoxo
IZZY"SMOM
JeanneO
12-29-2006, 09:57 PM
The way that I understand it, keep in mind that I'm not in the medical field, is that the meds don't affect the pain, it affects the part of the brain that tells you that you have pain. So really it does just make you not care as much about the pain.
Meds like Tylenol and Ibuprofen are differrent, they acutally affect the areas of the pain, such as inflamation so that makes the pain go down.
It's a very basic explanation and I'm sure someone will come along and give a more detailed response but that's it in a nutshell as far as I understand it anyway.
Certain meds affect certain parts of the brain as well, that's why some meds work better for nerve pain and some work better for acute surgical pain.
I forgot to tell you what meds I'm on, currently I'm on the Duragesic patch 75mcg every 48 hrs and just today my GP gave me a prescription for percoset 5/325 50 tablest to help me while I'm on vacation. I'll be travelling for 12 days 5 in Phoenix to visit my Dad and then 7 in Las Vegas for the Comedy Festival as my husband is a stand up comedian and I want to be able to keep up with them and not be miserably in pain. I feel that I'm undermedicated at this point, that I could and should be able to do more with my life if I had better meds, but will be addressing that at the end of Jan when I see my PM.
JeanneO:)
Meds like Tylenol and Ibuprofen are differrent, they acutally affect the areas of the pain, such as inflamation so that makes the pain go down.
It's a very basic explanation and I'm sure someone will come along and give a more detailed response but that's it in a nutshell as far as I understand it anyway.
Certain meds affect certain parts of the brain as well, that's why some meds work better for nerve pain and some work better for acute surgical pain.
I forgot to tell you what meds I'm on, currently I'm on the Duragesic patch 75mcg every 48 hrs and just today my GP gave me a prescription for percoset 5/325 50 tablest to help me while I'm on vacation. I'll be travelling for 12 days 5 in Phoenix to visit my Dad and then 7 in Las Vegas for the Comedy Festival as my husband is a stand up comedian and I want to be able to keep up with them and not be miserably in pain. I feel that I'm undermedicated at this point, that I could and should be able to do more with my life if I had better meds, but will be addressing that at the end of Jan when I see my PM.
JeanneO:)
blu_skies
12-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Im on 180 mg morphine sulfate ( generic) a day w/ adjusted to now (3) 5/325 hydrocodone. What the meds do for me is let me get out of bed and make it thru the day. Im now at a pretty steady 5-7 ( if that is considered steady) on the pain scale. But I still have my moments , like today and the wet rainy weather, over activity, sleep wrong, or life in general.
Im SO very happy I have a fantastic doctor who understands and is with me 110% !! VERY lucky !
I dont get sleepy on them anymore , nor itchy.Only if Im overly tired and in pain and take my dose , then I might get a little loopy to the point of I take the keys away from myself and , if possible, go to bed. But that is only if Im really really tired and just taken a dose. I dont like to take a dose if Im not home or somewhere to where I can get comfortable , and that tired..But for everyday life, I feel a little more human.
Im SO very happy I have a fantastic doctor who understands and is with me 110% !! VERY lucky !
I dont get sleepy on them anymore , nor itchy.Only if Im overly tired and in pain and take my dose , then I might get a little loopy to the point of I take the keys away from myself and , if possible, go to bed. But that is only if Im really really tired and just taken a dose. I dont like to take a dose if Im not home or somewhere to where I can get comfortable , and that tired..But for everyday life, I feel a little more human.
djemcee
12-30-2006, 05:01 AM
I think this post may be a little vague as it does not address the condition that the med is supposed to help.
I noticed that it seems that from my opinion that 95% of the people on the board seem to be back patients. I however am not. I have a condition were my bones have and are dying. I have lost all cartilage in my ankles, knees, wrist. I have lesions all over my leg bones and arm bones. It has actually effected my back and caused some fractures and collapses (but the funny thing is, my back doesnt bother me even with the collapsed verts etc..). My rib cage is also thinned and my lung herniates through my rib cage when I cough. I am only 35, and have other things wrong as well. If you saw me however, you would never pick me out of a line up of 10 healthy 35 years olds. Except when I am not on my meds and I try to walk etc. I am not on a walker or crutches. I have to get two knee replacements, but they say they dont think they will take due to the bone death (no place to anchor the fakes).
Anyway, the reason I say all this is to sort of tell you what is working for me to allow me to funtion, walk, and even work p/t. I take 50mcg Duragesic Patch (changed every 48 hrs), and Percocet 10mg/325mg for b/t. I take 2 percs at a time 4 hrs apart. Some days I take 8 percs over a 16hr period and others I have taken none. I take other pills as well, but not for pain (like Fosomax, etc...)
I feel this is working pretty well except I really think the B/T meds are having less of an effect when I have the harder days at work etc.. I can take the 2 percs and still feel the pain. I am tempted to go to 2.5 percs, but I was hoping to see if my doc may go for the Actiq instead. I have heard some good things about it, and want to see if it can help take the sharp pains away when they come.
I did try Oxycotin extended release and hated it. It really made me a zombie. It was the best for the pain, but non functional in life.
Hope I did not bore you .
Cheers,
California Chris
I noticed that it seems that from my opinion that 95% of the people on the board seem to be back patients. I however am not. I have a condition were my bones have and are dying. I have lost all cartilage in my ankles, knees, wrist. I have lesions all over my leg bones and arm bones. It has actually effected my back and caused some fractures and collapses (but the funny thing is, my back doesnt bother me even with the collapsed verts etc..). My rib cage is also thinned and my lung herniates through my rib cage when I cough. I am only 35, and have other things wrong as well. If you saw me however, you would never pick me out of a line up of 10 healthy 35 years olds. Except when I am not on my meds and I try to walk etc. I am not on a walker or crutches. I have to get two knee replacements, but they say they dont think they will take due to the bone death (no place to anchor the fakes).
Anyway, the reason I say all this is to sort of tell you what is working for me to allow me to funtion, walk, and even work p/t. I take 50mcg Duragesic Patch (changed every 48 hrs), and Percocet 10mg/325mg for b/t. I take 2 percs at a time 4 hrs apart. Some days I take 8 percs over a 16hr period and others I have taken none. I take other pills as well, but not for pain (like Fosomax, etc...)
I feel this is working pretty well except I really think the B/T meds are having less of an effect when I have the harder days at work etc.. I can take the 2 percs and still feel the pain. I am tempted to go to 2.5 percs, but I was hoping to see if my doc may go for the Actiq instead. I have heard some good things about it, and want to see if it can help take the sharp pains away when they come.
I did try Oxycotin extended release and hated it. It really made me a zombie. It was the best for the pain, but non functional in life.
Hope I did not bore you .
Cheers,
California Chris
madhatter
12-30-2006, 11:33 AM
I take nerotin for nerve pain and oxycotin. It doesn't take the pain away completly,but enough to were i don't wish i was dead anymore!
blu_skies
12-30-2006, 09:23 PM
Im a failed c5-6 fusion w/ titanium hardware, DDD, bone spurs , bulges above and below fusion ...
kelsey1
12-31-2006, 07:20 PM
hi all,
i take 30 mg oxcocdone 1-2 every 4-6 hours which means i can take up to 12 however they only give me 240 a month so i can only take 8 ideally without running out but i go to my dr appt 3 days early every month so i can take 10 sometime and the dr knows i
do . Which wasn't a problem intil this month i have had a fall and i have been needed to take 10-11 everyday which will have me out of pills before i go back but i am going to call because i did go to the er 2 days ago in more pain the dr told me to take them as need because i am allowed up to 12 a day if i need to get an earlier
appt just call and tell my dr but i hate to do that . what do you guys think?so with my 10-11 tabs a day i am getting good relief. kelsey
i take 30 mg oxcocdone 1-2 every 4-6 hours which means i can take up to 12 however they only give me 240 a month so i can only take 8 ideally without running out but i go to my dr appt 3 days early every month so i can take 10 sometime and the dr knows i
do . Which wasn't a problem intil this month i have had a fall and i have been needed to take 10-11 everyday which will have me out of pills before i go back but i am going to call because i did go to the er 2 days ago in more pain the dr told me to take them as need because i am allowed up to 12 a day if i need to get an earlier
appt just call and tell my dr but i hate to do that . what do you guys think?so with my 10-11 tabs a day i am getting good relief. kelsey
IZZY'SMOM
12-31-2006, 07:53 PM
Kelsey or anyone:
What strengths does oxycodone come in? I need more help on b/t pain than 7.5 vicoprofen one 3 times a day for b/t. Ive had plain old percocet 5/325, and it did nothing for me, I needed two, as I do with the vicoprofens, and then I run out early.
But my doc wont even change me to Norco 10/325, as my sister suggested. [she works for an ortho surg.]
Just curious, as to what else I could try if he doesnt want to prescribe anything WAY too strong. When I asked about the Norco he said, the vicoprofens you are taking are the same strength as the norco. I knew netter, and it kind of made me angry, and i proceeded to ask why, and he stated" Id really rather not go there, thats something I really dont want to get into prescribing." Other than that, hes been great. Guess that may be my answer. Sorry if I should have started a new thread about this.
xoxoxoxox
IZZY'SMOM
What strengths does oxycodone come in? I need more help on b/t pain than 7.5 vicoprofen one 3 times a day for b/t. Ive had plain old percocet 5/325, and it did nothing for me, I needed two, as I do with the vicoprofens, and then I run out early.
But my doc wont even change me to Norco 10/325, as my sister suggested. [she works for an ortho surg.]
Just curious, as to what else I could try if he doesnt want to prescribe anything WAY too strong. When I asked about the Norco he said, the vicoprofens you are taking are the same strength as the norco. I knew netter, and it kind of made me angry, and i proceeded to ask why, and he stated" Id really rather not go there, thats something I really dont want to get into prescribing." Other than that, hes been great. Guess that may be my answer. Sorry if I should have started a new thread about this.
xoxoxoxox
IZZY'SMOM
zuzu23
01-01-2007, 08:49 AM
Yes, they affect the "pain" centers of your brain. So whatever's injured or in pain will still have the same amount of pain (or more,) but your brain will perceive it as less.
None of us aim to feel "no" pain; most pain docs tell you it's about 50-80% tops. So even with narcotics or whatever, you still need some amount of pain. If you were so very drugged to the point where you felt nothing, it could be lethal say if you burned yourself or broke an ankle or something. humans need to be able to feel pain in order to protect ourselves from missing an injury. Only in terminal patients in hospitals dying of Cancer or something do they reserve the right to do this......b/c the goal for these poor people is to make their last days as comfortable as it can be. I know, I've seen more than a few people die from Cancer.
So Ibuprofen and Advil and whatnot affect the pain area itself, and triplicates affect the perception pain area of the brain. Hope all these replies help you!! There are a lot of great members on here.
None of us aim to feel "no" pain; most pain docs tell you it's about 50-80% tops. So even with narcotics or whatever, you still need some amount of pain. If you were so very drugged to the point where you felt nothing, it could be lethal say if you burned yourself or broke an ankle or something. humans need to be able to feel pain in order to protect ourselves from missing an injury. Only in terminal patients in hospitals dying of Cancer or something do they reserve the right to do this......b/c the goal for these poor people is to make their last days as comfortable as it can be. I know, I've seen more than a few people die from Cancer.
So Ibuprofen and Advil and whatnot affect the pain area itself, and triplicates affect the perception pain area of the brain. Hope all these replies help you!! There are a lot of great members on here.
kttn251977
01-01-2007, 11:59 AM
My story is I have DDD in my lower back. I am only 29 and have been through a nightmare with getting a correct diagnosis. I was originally in an area north of Atl. The dr's there basically told me the pain was all in my head. At the time I was a bartender and chucked it up to that line of work. I moved about 6 months ago to Tampa, where I decided to get a desk job. The back pain still was persistant. After a referral to a PM here, they did confirm DDD. I explained how I have been on everything from darvocet to percocet to soma to oxycontin. I think the dr's were just blindly handing me prescriptions. This dr put me on Kadian and Norco. The results for me are wonderful. I don't have the roller-coaster of pain anymore. The dr explained Kadian is a morphine-released tablet so that it is constantly being released not all dumped at once. Which I like. I am only taking a 30mg script and feel like I may need one dosage stronger and the dr explained it may take awhile to fine the right combo for my body. As far as the oxycontin I hated it, gave me massive headachs. Percocets I loved, but again that medicine only gave me a few hours relief and then I had to take more. And found that I was quickly building a tolernce against it. I am up for my first nerve block as now I am getting pain in my left leg now. But I have to say this is the best relief I have had in 5 years, I have never been able to sleep longer than 3 hours a day due to the pain, and now I get in about 5. All I can say is there is the right thing out there for you and don't be afraid to ASK your dr for something.
Valkyriedemoted
01-02-2007, 01:24 PM
Chronic pain is chronic pain to some extent, whatever the cause or whatever its 'seat'. Although people who suffer from back pain often share similar symptoms, back pain can include symptoms like sciatica which some experience but others do not. Patients can suffer from neurological disorders that are treated with the same medications as those used by patients with back pain... and so on.
I find that the best medications for chronic pain are those that do not make me sleepy. The duragesic patch is a good idea but it does not last 72 hours. Unfortunately, my HMO won't cover it if prescribed for use every 2 rather than 3 days, so I have to take other pain medications as well.
For patients who are in constant pain, the 'pain patch' is a good idea. I was trying to avoid constant narcotic use, not so much from fear of addiction as from fear that I would reach a point where nothing would work any longer. My doctor advised me to the effect that a constant supply of pain medication that allowed me to function at the best level was preferable to my system, which was to wait until the pain became absolutely unbearable before I took anything. I have to say that he was right.
I would like to make a comment about the misconception that heavy narcotics or opiates cause people to act like 'zombies'. That is not necessarily the case. Nor do they change a person's essential nature. If some one abdicates his/her duties as a human being, it is not the medication that is to blame, but the person! Opiates and narcotics have saved my life and allowed me to function and to maintain my duties and responsibilities both towards my own family and towards the world.
Obviously, medications affect people in different ways, and some people may find that they are 'knocked out' by a specific pain medication. Often this is an effect that passes as the person becomes accustomed to the medication. Life is filled with compromises. When the pain is unbearable, pain medication may be the only solution. It does not make one less of a human being, nor does it 'alter' one's spirit!
I would like to add that any person, whether a physician or not, who tells another that the pain is 'all in his/her head' is ignorant and his/her opinion really must be ignored. It is hard enough to live with chronic pain without being mocked, humiliated or given cause to doubt ones sanity or mental health. Many doctors, too insecure to be willing to simply admit that they haven't got a diagnosis, resort to the claim that the patient's pain is psychosomatic. In many cases, it takes years to uncover the true cause of the pain, but in the end, they find there usually is a physical cause for the patient's suffering.
The contemporary fad in favour of thrusting 'antidepressant' drugs at any one who suffers from pain that is not easily treated or diagnosed disgusts and amazes me. In my opinion, a drug that alters the actual composition of one's psyche or physical body is far more dangerous than any simple painkiller. Now, of course, they are finding that many so-called 'antidepressant' drugs actually promote suicidal moods in patients. Yet many doctors continue to order antidepressants for their patients in lieu of opiates or narcotics.
The idea of Pain Management Clinics is one of the more advanced medical achievements in contemporary society. To address Chronic Pain and work with patients to control it rather than pretending that all pain can be vanquished by a procedure is a step forward, and to recognise the fact that there are people who need pain medication (as well as physical therapy and other forms of treatment) on a regular, ongoing basis has been a breakthrough for the medical profession in the States.
It is the old Puritan philosophy that underlies the principle that pain medication is only for weak, spineless creatures, and that mind always should triumph over matter. Unfortunately, some of us cannot vanquish physical pain or the conditions that cause it with mind control. Some people are required to come to terms with the idea that their condition will last for years, even a lifetime and that the best they can do is control the pain with medication and other treatments.
As far as other treatment is concerned, the only thing that has worked for me to any extent, other than pain medication, is water therapy. Hot water does provide some relief, and bath salts can help as well. I only was able to perform simple exercises and recover a little mobility when I was allowed to use a therapy pool. Unfortunately, my HMO refuses to give authorisation for any more sessions and I haven't the means to buy one for myself. I do recommend it, however, especially for those who suffer from back pain, severe bursitis and/or arthritis of the hips. In water, one no longer is subjected to the pressure that gravity places on the body. It is a brief reprieve from the pain one suffers 'on land'.
I find that the best medications for chronic pain are those that do not make me sleepy. The duragesic patch is a good idea but it does not last 72 hours. Unfortunately, my HMO won't cover it if prescribed for use every 2 rather than 3 days, so I have to take other pain medications as well.
For patients who are in constant pain, the 'pain patch' is a good idea. I was trying to avoid constant narcotic use, not so much from fear of addiction as from fear that I would reach a point where nothing would work any longer. My doctor advised me to the effect that a constant supply of pain medication that allowed me to function at the best level was preferable to my system, which was to wait until the pain became absolutely unbearable before I took anything. I have to say that he was right.
I would like to make a comment about the misconception that heavy narcotics or opiates cause people to act like 'zombies'. That is not necessarily the case. Nor do they change a person's essential nature. If some one abdicates his/her duties as a human being, it is not the medication that is to blame, but the person! Opiates and narcotics have saved my life and allowed me to function and to maintain my duties and responsibilities both towards my own family and towards the world.
Obviously, medications affect people in different ways, and some people may find that they are 'knocked out' by a specific pain medication. Often this is an effect that passes as the person becomes accustomed to the medication. Life is filled with compromises. When the pain is unbearable, pain medication may be the only solution. It does not make one less of a human being, nor does it 'alter' one's spirit!
I would like to add that any person, whether a physician or not, who tells another that the pain is 'all in his/her head' is ignorant and his/her opinion really must be ignored. It is hard enough to live with chronic pain without being mocked, humiliated or given cause to doubt ones sanity or mental health. Many doctors, too insecure to be willing to simply admit that they haven't got a diagnosis, resort to the claim that the patient's pain is psychosomatic. In many cases, it takes years to uncover the true cause of the pain, but in the end, they find there usually is a physical cause for the patient's suffering.
The contemporary fad in favour of thrusting 'antidepressant' drugs at any one who suffers from pain that is not easily treated or diagnosed disgusts and amazes me. In my opinion, a drug that alters the actual composition of one's psyche or physical body is far more dangerous than any simple painkiller. Now, of course, they are finding that many so-called 'antidepressant' drugs actually promote suicidal moods in patients. Yet many doctors continue to order antidepressants for their patients in lieu of opiates or narcotics.
The idea of Pain Management Clinics is one of the more advanced medical achievements in contemporary society. To address Chronic Pain and work with patients to control it rather than pretending that all pain can be vanquished by a procedure is a step forward, and to recognise the fact that there are people who need pain medication (as well as physical therapy and other forms of treatment) on a regular, ongoing basis has been a breakthrough for the medical profession in the States.
It is the old Puritan philosophy that underlies the principle that pain medication is only for weak, spineless creatures, and that mind always should triumph over matter. Unfortunately, some of us cannot vanquish physical pain or the conditions that cause it with mind control. Some people are required to come to terms with the idea that their condition will last for years, even a lifetime and that the best they can do is control the pain with medication and other treatments.
As far as other treatment is concerned, the only thing that has worked for me to any extent, other than pain medication, is water therapy. Hot water does provide some relief, and bath salts can help as well. I only was able to perform simple exercises and recover a little mobility when I was allowed to use a therapy pool. Unfortunately, my HMO refuses to give authorisation for any more sessions and I haven't the means to buy one for myself. I do recommend it, however, especially for those who suffer from back pain, severe bursitis and/or arthritis of the hips. In water, one no longer is subjected to the pressure that gravity places on the body. It is a brief reprieve from the pain one suffers 'on land'.
yvette777
01-02-2007, 01:56 PM
I take loricet, which my doctor describes as extra strenght vicodin. I have tried percocet and they made me tired and pukey feeling so I went back to the vicodin. This helps me in the ability to keep moving. My back pain is improved by this med, but it does not touch the pain in my legs, but and feet.
However I am looking into the option of neurotin, or cymbalta or another drug that can help with nerve pain. Don't know what option will give me relief or hope.
I am thinking the chronic pain is affecting me now and I am depressed. Depressed because I can't get any sort of help to improve my life living like this. I don't know if that will help, but I am looking for any sort of help here.
However I am looking into the option of neurotin, or cymbalta or another drug that can help with nerve pain. Don't know what option will give me relief or hope.
I am thinking the chronic pain is affecting me now and I am depressed. Depressed because I can't get any sort of help to improve my life living like this. I don't know if that will help, but I am looking for any sort of help here.
kelsey1
01-03-2007, 12:57 AM
hi
to anwser the question about oxcodone it comes ain 5,15,30. if your dr doesn't want to help you shop around til you get pain relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good luck kelsey
to anwser the question about oxcodone it comes ain 5,15,30. if your dr doesn't want to help you shop around til you get pain relief!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good luck kelsey

