I know, they sell soy products in health food stores, so it must be healthy... right?

Wrong.

In its natural state it is poisonous and must be fermented to be edible.

Soy contains Isoflavones (Genistein and Daidzein). In soy the isoflavones are built in insecticides. If they kill bugs are they good for humans?

Feeding an infant soy baby formula is like giving them 5 birth control pills per day!

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I was made deathly ill from soy - it nearly killed me. I'm still recovering and taking drugs for hyperthyroidism after two years of daily soy consumption. I replaced milk with soy due to the fact that I have lactose intolerance.

Farmers love soy, because you don't need to fertilize it. Soy fixes nitrogen in the soil, so is a wonderful thing to grow! So then what do you do with it all? Well, hawk it to the trusting masses, that's what. So what if it contains hormones and damages people...

Even the FDA glosses over the fact that soy contains hormones that damage the thyroid.

We have been conducting a huge experiment on our population by feeding them large amounts of soy. In Asia, where they have the highest level of thyroid cancer and thyroid disease (as well as many "lady-boys"), soy has mainly been used as a condiment or filling, except in Japan where they consume tofu.

Stay away from soy!

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I agree with you. There was a case a couple years back about two infants who got fed corn meal (I think) and soy milk mixed together, and both infants died. I'm sure it was corn meal, I remember reading it. That was scary since at the time I was drinking soy milk, trying to get away from dairy. I believe soy is worse than people think and a better choice for milk is something like organic almond, or goat.

Soy has the highest protein content in the vegetable world AND that protein is combined with a healthy polyunsaturated oil. THAT is why it is one of the most valued and eaten foods on the planet.

Internet nonsense nothwithstanding, soy remains a cheap, healthful and readily avialable food...far healthier than beef and dairy with their preposterous amounts of saturated, heart clogging fats!

There is an old say: One man's pleasure is another man's poison. In my case, soy is my pleasure. I am allergic to milk, so, in my case being able to drink and use soy milk on my cereal and in my coffee, is a real pleasure.

I also like that the Soy Milk I use has 300mg of potassium, and 30% mdr calcium, and 6.25 grams of Soy Protein, and 230 mg Omega-3, plus other good stuff.

There have been sufficient scientific studies, testifiying to the safety of soy, to make me feel safe consuming it, and I will continue to enjoy my Soy Milk. Perhaps those who are allergic or reactive to Soy products could use cow milk instead?

soy has mainly been used as a condiment or filling, except in Japan where they consume tofu.



Is Soy good or bad ...i really do not know as i'm always seeing research on this both ways but it sure seems to work for the Japanese whether as Tofu or not....

I stopped drinking soy milk two years ago after reading several negative articles. Fortunately, I didn't drink very much of it. A good replacement for soy is Almond Milk made with just almonds and water. I use it in cereals. I see it's now being sold in supermarkets and not just health food stores.

I have started drinking rice milk. I tried soy milk but, to me, it tastes terrible. So far, I like the rice milk, though almond milk sounds even better, as I looove almonds :) . Sadly, I haven't seen this product in the regular grocery stores...perhaps only certain grocery stores??

Anywho, in terms of the soy milk debate, just remember that nothing is black or white--there is usually some gray. For example, dark chocolate is supposed to be good for you, though too much can cause problems. It's all about moderation and finding balance :) .

~Colleen

One of the articles that I read about soy milk danger also included rice milk. Speak with your supermarket manager about ordering Almond Milk. It comes in plain unsweetened, vanilla and chocolate. The supermarket that I shop in has Almond Milk in the Soy Milk Section. I even found an Almond Milk imported from Italy that's sold in an Italian Food Market. I predict Almond Milk in the near future will become very popular and more and more supermarkets will have it. The brand that I purchase is Blue Diamond. Has only 40 calories per 8 oz. Almost no carbs. Costs a bit more than Soy at $2.99 for 32 oz,

I luuvvv almond milk :)

Concerning some asian countries eating habits, they have a lower incidence of heart attacks, and strokes, since they don't eat near as much fattening foods that people in the US do. I think people from the milk industry and other places come up with some of the 'dangers of soy' sites to try and scare people away from soy, since soy milk is taking some of the profits away from the mighty dairy industry. Some types of soy are healthier than others though, and I'm not saying to eat large amounts of it everyday.

By the way, what would be dangerous about drinking rice milk? lol

Yikes! Soy actually upsets my stomach so I don't eat it for that reason. Milk was uspetting my stomach so I tried soy milk, but I prefer Lactaid since it tastes like regular milk.

The problem with Rice Milk is the brands I have seen and used contain too much sugar.

There has been too many negative articles about Soy Product-- I really don't know but where there is alot of smoke -- there has to be a FIRE some place??

Harry

I only use soy milk when i'm making smoothies, otherwise in cereal or tea/coffee i use cow's milk.

There was something on tv last weekend about soy products and that they could be dangerous for people with cancer or getting treatment for cancer.

I personally feel these days that just about everything is bad for us as the soil has so much pesticide in it, all the animals are fed hormones, fruit and veg are continuously sprayed with chemicals, before the fruit/veg is packaged and transported it is sprayed with a preservative and even in the supermarket they spray the fruit/veg with a preservative solution yet again.

This is why i think no matter which way you go if something is going to affect you personally it will get you no matter what. If there is a chance that soy can be bad then it wont be bad for everybody b/c when you look at any forms of ill health, be it cancer or something else, not everybody across the board is affected. It depends possibly on your genetic makeup or your overall health and immune system on whether soy or other things will affect you negatively.

I have not heard of almond milk so will have to look out for that one. This is what i like about this board, you can find random bits of new info all the time :)

there has to be a FIRE some place??

Yey, the fire is on the internet and it is ignited by the VERY wealthy people who brought you the GOT MILK campaign. Every glass of soy milk that is drunk is a glass of cow's mile that is not sold.
Every tofu meal is a slab of meat not eaten.
$$$$$Billions$$$$$are involved.


Pile the DAIRY Board on top of the MEAT Board and you have two formidable advertising sources who would very happily tell you that soy is made in Hell by Beelzebub himself to poison mere mortals. They TRY to make the message a bit more subtle though...but not much!:jester:

Follow the dollars and a LOT of food indictments become more clear.

One of the factors that increased interest in Soy was that Asian women have much lower rates of breast cancer than women living in Western countries. Women in Asian countries eat a diet rich in soy. Scientists have been studying whether or not a diet rich in soy protects women from breast cancer.

18 "Soy" research studies, between 1978 and 2004, were examined in order to definitively say whether or not a diet rich in soy could help to prevent breast cancer. The examination of all 18 soy research studies did not prove or disprove the protective benefits of eating soy foods.

There are health concerns, though, about consuming soy through supplements rather than food. Through supplements, a much larger amount of soy is ingested, than through normal food consumption.

It's the old say, that too much of a good thing can be bad. Too much water, too much salt, too much fat, too much calcium, too much sex, etc., can be bad for you.

Based on all that I have read, I feel very, VERY safe using Soy Milk on my cereal and with my coffee, and I am still consuming far less soy than Asians, who certainly aren't dropping over dead because of their soy-rich diets.

One of the factors that increased interest in Soy was that Asian women have much lower rates of breast cancer than women living in Western countries. Women in Asian countries eat a diet rich in soy. Scientists have been studying whether or not a diet rich in soy protects women from breast cancer.

18 "Soy" research studies, between 1978 and 2004, were examined in order to definitively say whether or not a diet rich in soy could help to prevent breast cancer. The examination of all 18 soy research studies did not prove or disprove the protective benefits of eating soy foods.

There are health concerns, though, about consuming soy through supplements rather than food. Through supplements, a much larger amount of soy is ingested, than through normal food consumption.

It's the old say, that too much of a good thing can be bad. Too much water, too much salt, too much fat, too much calcium, too much sex, etc., can be bad for you.

Based on all that I have read, I feel very, VERY safe using Soy Milk on my cereal and with my coffee, and I am still consuming far less soy than Asians, who certainly aren't dropping over dead because of their soy-rich diets.

Unfortunately, that is not the case any longer. I cannot post the links here, but I have found a couple of studies that show that they have almost caught up with the women in the western world. And I don't mean the ones living here either.

People keep talking about Asians eating such a soy rich diet; actually they eat a smaller amount of soy than believed. They do eat a lot of vegetables and rice and little meat.

They only average around 9 -36 grams of soy a day. That's soy food and not soy protien. A cup of soy milk that Americans drink have over 200 grams! A cup of tofu around 250, and we think (not me!) drinking glasses of the milk, eating nuts, cups of tofu, etc. a day is fine. It's overkill.

... They only average around 9 -36 grams of soy a day. That's soy food and not soy protien. A cup of soy milk that Americans drink have over 200 grams!

I just checked my Soy Milk. It says that there are 6.25 grams of Soy Protein per 8 oz glass. Your estimate of 200 was close! ;)

Soy has a lot going for it, for me, with very few negatives. It is inexpensive. Soy milk tastes good. I am not allergic to Soy, but I am to cow's milk. Research has established soy protein as good for improving blood pressure and diabetes type II, or pre-diabetes, and in lowering cholesterol.

Hell, if you research cow's milk you'll find zillions warning about the dangers of cow's milk!

I have yet to read an article, from a source that I trust, that establishes that Soy is not a healthy food, but I have read many articles from sources that I trust, that state that, not only is soy safe, it is a beneficial food.

RIght now I am having a cup of coffee, topped off with some delicious Vanilla Soy Milk. Soooooooo GOOD! :D

The problem with Rice Milk is the brands I have seen and used contain too much sugar.

There has been too many negative articles about Soy Product-- I really don't know but where there is alot of smoke -- there has to be a FIRE some place??

Harry

Which brands of Rice Drink did you try? I have 'Rice Dream' Rice Milk right now, and I didn't see sugar listed at all in the ingredients. So I don't think there is any sugar added, in that brand.

Concerned Male,

I used Rice Dream for over 5 years but only on cereals and I found that they don't add sugar but 1 cup does contain about 27 grams of carbohydrates -- 9 grams are sugar and very little protein.

The carbs in Rice drinks are converted to sugar very readily with me-- and I gained weight.
I have also used Pacific Rice drink and it just tasted sweeter but it's total Carbs are the same but the sugar content is 14 grams/ cup instead of 9 grams for Rice Dream.

With milk I think the only carbs is the milk sugar -- lactose and it contains alot more protein that seems to level my sugar out more.

As you may know the only sugar that your body uses is glucose-- so every type of sugar that you intake has to be converted to glucose including carbohydrates for all your body & organs to function.

Harry

Cow milk is made for baby cows!!!
How simple is that?
Drinking cow's milk is so unnatural if you really think about it. Its like baby animals breastfeeding from a person. Gross!!
If soy and tofu were so bad then why is that vegans are so healthy and disease-free. And no they are not weak and brittle like most of you imagine vegans to be. There are so many other ways to get protein and other nutrients. Wake up people! Don't believe the BS!!

Concerning Asian people, soy and their overall health, i think there is more to it than them merely using soy products. When you look at their diet and their lifestyle it is very different to us Westeners. The Asian people who have lived for a couple of generations or more in the West are slowly getting all the diseases we have.

My parents migrated from Europe and even now in their country people mostly die of old age and they don't use soy at all and their main dairy products come from cows while a few families might use goat or sheep dairy products. However, even their lifestyle is changing so that in tiny stages they are catching up with Western illnesses. Even so, breast cancer and childhood cancers and leukemia are not that frequent, whereas in the West it's amazing how many young children are in hospital wards with leukemia or some form of cancer and so many females have breast cancer and the females with breast cancer are getting younger and younger.

So i don't think soy is bad for you and i don't think dairy products from cows are bad either, unless you have actual intolerance to it, but instead i think you have to look at the big picture, you can't just look at soy v's cow milk, it's all the other things you consume, the air we breath, our lifestyle, the way we work, the drugs we take eg: birthcontrol etc

Cow milk is made for baby cows!!!
How simple is that?
Drinking cow's milk is so unnatural if you really think about it. Its like baby animals breastfeeding from a person. Gross!!

You might be right about drinking cow's milk being gross. I used to wash down a dinner of cow's heart, cow's tongue, and a side of chicken livers, with a glass of cow's milk. From now on I'll drink Soy Milk with it.

Cow milk is made for baby cows!!!
How simple is that?
Drinking cow's milk is so unnatural if you really think about it. Its like baby animals breastfeeding from a person. Gross!!
If soy and tofu were so bad then why is that vegans are so healthy and disease-free. And no they are not weak and brittle like most of you imagine vegans to be. There are so many other ways to get protein and other nutrients. Wake up people! Don't believe the BS!!

Mammalian milk is mammalian milk, nothing so strange in all that when you think about it. No one has to drink it if they don't want to.

When you say vegans are "so healthy and disease free", that is a rather sweeping statement. It's more an opinion. It's like saying "all apples are juicy" or some such! I know several who are horridly unhealthly.

A little soy probably won't hurt anyone, unless you have health problems that keep you from eating it. Some people can get by with eating a lot of it, I'm sure. I certainly wouldn't give it to a baby or young child. I do know that I nearly destroyed my health by eating large amounts of it, and it took me a long time to recover.

All things in moderation.

I just checked my Soy Milk. It says that there are 6.25 grams of Soy Protein per 8 oz glass. Your estimate of 200 was close! ;)

Soy has a lot going for it, for me, with very few negatives. It is inexpensive. Soy milk tastes good. I am not allergic to Soy, but I am to cow's milk. Research has established soy protein as good for improving blood pressure and diabetes type II, or pre-diabetes, and in lowering cholesterol.

Hell, if you research cow's milk you'll find zillions warning about the dangers of cow's milk!

I have yet to read an article, from a source that I trust, that establishes that Soy is not a healthy food, but I have read many articles from sources that I trust, that state that, not only is soy safe, it is a beneficial food.

RIght now I am having a cup of coffee, topped off with some delicious Vanilla Soy Milk. Soooooooo GOOD! :D


That is 200 grams of SOY FOOD, not protein grams.:) As far as the "fake" milks, I use the rice milks, almond, and the hazelnut milks as well, simply because I don't want milk all the time. They are all very good.

You might be right about drinking cow's milk being gross. I used to wash down a dinner of cow's heart, cow's tongue, and a side of chicken livers, with a glass of cow's milk. From now on I'll drink Soy Milk with it.

Eww.

Recently bought a package of extra firm organic soy. Fried it up for about an hour with extra virgin olive oil.

I eat it cold. Add a little garlic power to it. Guess what? It tastes like CHICKEN!

This gives me another healthy snack that I can add to my low calorie, small meal, frequent feeding diet.

The problem with Rice Milk is the brands I have seen and used contain too much sugar.

There has been too many negative articles about Soy Product-- I really don't know but where there is alot of smoke -- there has to be a FIRE some place??

Harry

I drink the Silk soy milk, but if a person has thyroid problems, they should use soy products sparingly. My mom was told she could eat the soyburgers, but to limit the amount.

too much sex, etc., can be bad for you.
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I was hoping at least that could be spared the boot.;)

Recently bought a package of extra firm organic soy. Fried it up for about an hour with extra virgin olive oil.

I eat it cold. Add a little garlic power to it. Guess what? It tastes like CHICKEN!

This gives me another healthy snack that I can add to my low calorie, small meal, frequent feeding diet.

You had to fry it for an HOUR?! Why so long? If it tastes like chicken, why not just cook chicken strips, for about 10 mins.? ;) If you're looking for healthy, you could get organically fed. Unless your a vegetarian.

You had to fry it for an HOUR?! Why so long?

It was our first encounter with frying soy. We are in a learning process. I just picked up another package of extra firm soy, and we are going to try again, but this time for about 30 minutes and see how it turns out OK. I really enjoyed eating cold, fried soy, so I am hoping that this time it is just as good.

If it tastes like chicken, why not just cook chicken strips, for about 10 mins.? ;)

I don't eat poultry.

If you're looking for healthy, you could get organically fed. Unless your a vegetarian.

The only meat that I consume is beef, which I eat almost every day. I don't eat poultry for a number of reasons. I only use organic soy. Soy is much cheaper than chicken and has less saturated fat than chicken, and fits into my diet better.

Isn't beef kinda fattening to be eating just about everyday, though?

Beef isn't fattening, depending on which cut you are buying i suppose, but you can always cut visible fats off prior to cooking.

Actually most of our fresh fruit, veg and meats and even breads aren't fattening if used in the right quantities and it depends how you cook it and what you eat with it, what you put on it etc and at the end of the day putting on weight can all be genetic, the type of metabolism you have and whether or not you have any other health conditions which could be making your body put on the kg's.

Beerzoids, i didn't think it would take long to cook up some soy and if you are frying, yet worried about calories, are you using a certain type of oil and is it just a bit of oil in the pan or actual deep frying?

I never stir fry my TOFU longer than 5 minutes, usually a lot less. Since it is pre-fermented it really needs no cooking...it is perfectly digestible right out of the tub so cooking is really only for heating through. I buy mine loose at an oriental deli for $.25 a "cake", about 3.5 ounces.

My fave is a cold lunch of sliced firm TOFU arranged around a small plate like a flower and sprinkled with a few drops of toasted sesame oil, a tsp. or two of spicy Szechuan sauce and a Tbsp or two of soy sauce.
Takes a minute to prepare and is yummy and full of protein. Usually I eat 2 cakes, sometimes one.

I don't use tofu because it mimics meat but rather because it is an excellent food all on its own.

Cow milk is made for baby cows!!!
How simple is that?
Drinking cow's milk is so unnatural if you really think about it. Its like baby animals breastfeeding from a person. Gross!!

There have been women who have nursed orphaned baby animals, such as baby monkeys and tigers. This is not as rare as you think.

There have been instances of dogs nursing orphaned baby kittens and cats nursing orphaned baby puppies. Recently there was a dog that had to nurse tiger cubs because the momma tiger didn't produce enough milk.

Might seem gross to some, but I am sure that the orphan babies don't care.

Beerzoids, i didn't think it would take long to cook up some soy and if you are frying, yet worried about calories, are you using a certain type of oil and is it just a bit of oil in the pan or actual deep frying?

This morning, it only took 30 minutes to fry up some soy. We, oppppps, I mean She sliced it real thin. Frying puts a nice brown, crisp coating to the meat, oppppps, I mean to the soy.

We are using extra virgin olive oil.

Yes, I am concerned about calories. Every time I increase my daily calorie consumption, I experience increases in my blood pressure. I am hoping that the latest increases in my blood pressure are due to the effects of withdrawal from one of my blood pressure medications and not from the increase in calories.

Beef isn't fattening, depending on which cut you are buying i suppose, but you can always cut visible fats off prior to cooking.

Actually most of our fresh fruit, veg and meats and even breads aren't fattening if used in the right quantities and it depends how you cook it and what you eat with it, what you put on it etc and at the end of the day putting on weight can all be genetic, the type of metabolism you have and whether or not you have any other health conditions which could be making your body put on the kg's.

Beerzoids, i didn't think it would take long to cook up some soy and if you are frying, yet worried about calories, are you using a certain type of oil and is it just a bit of oil in the pan or actual deep frying?

If a person is eating beef like every day though, I think the fat content would start to add up. Not to mention, other health concerns on the body.

If a person is eating beef like every day though, I think the fat content would start to add up. Not to mention, other health concerns on the body.

I eat either chili with pasta, (1/2 cup) or swedish meatsause with pasta (1/2 cup) an average of twice a day. For the other meals, I have 1/2 cup of high fiber cereal with soy milk, 2-3 times a day, and about two eggs per day. I also have three snacks per day. I buy low fat quality beef.

I've been doing this for two years now and I've gone from 180 pounds to 135 pounds, and my cholesterol and tryglicerides are now at very healthy levels, AND my average blood pressure is at a healthy level.

Concerned Male............These days you can buy lean cuts of virtually any type of meat so it shouldn't be a concern for your health and it all depends what you are eating with your lean beef. If you are having loads of fried potato chips and a salad with lashings of mayonaise you would get more fats from this than from the actual meat. Excluding all fats from your diet can be dangerous and actually boost your cholesterol levels b/c your body still needs fats, the good fats mostly, but if you have a tiny bit of animal fat which is attached to the meat it wont kill you, but so long as you aren't having copious amounts of it in your diet.

As i said in my last post, not everybody is the same when it comes to weight gain. Take me for example, i've just turned 40, weigh 53kg, don't really do any actual daily exercise apart from being on the go at my workplace and sometimes i go swimming, but that's just for fun. I've never dieted, i eat quite a bit, but do eat reasonably healthy with the odd sweet or savoury treat thrown in every few days and i eat meat of some form daily, whether it be chicken, beef or pork, but mostly likely beef. My health is great, except that i've been low in iron for a while for some odd reason. The people at work have always joked that i must have a worm farm somewhere inside of me b/c they don't understand how i can eat so much yet not put on weight. I think i have an excellent metabolism, but also i eat fresh and home cooked meals and fast foods are very rare. I rarely even buy my lunch at work, instead i bring things from home. My parents and the rest of my relatives are all the same too. All are meat eaters and in good health and in general all of us look a lot younger than we are. That's why i keep saying it's not always the food you eat, but genetics play a big part too. I was likely very fortunate to be born with a good metabolism, while some people have always had an extremely sluggish metabolism so have to watch every little thing they eat or have to do a lot of exercise.

Beerzoids, that is excellent that you have found a way of reducing your weight. The other important thing is food rotation, meaning not eating the same foods each day or too regularly as this tends to slow the metabolism too. You need to alternate your foods and give your body lots of variety. I dont know if you have heard of the book called "You Are What You Eat". The lady who wrote the book actually made a tv show about it and she gets people from all over the world wanting to visit her at her clinic in London. Her book is excellent and gives so many tips on so many things that you would never have thought of. It's not an actual diet book but does give tips to dieters, but more about improving your overall health or certain aspects of it. [removed]

The other important thing is food rotation, meaning not eating the same foods each day or too regularly as this tends to slow the metabolism too. You need to alternate your foods and give your body lots of variety.

I've been eating almost the same foods for two years now. I have a lot of food allergies, so I feel very fortunate to have found a diet that I love, and, even though I have basically the same limited diet all the time, I thoroughly enjoy each meal and each snack! Using this diet, and making other changes to my environment and lifestyle, have dramatically improved my health during the past two years. I've got some very nasty health and heart problems, and I never thought that I would be feeling this good, and doing this well, again.

I follow the "Insulin Resistance" diet guidelines created by Sheri Barke, MPH, RD; UCLA Arthur Ashe Student Health & Wellness Center, 2002

www.snac.ucla.edu/pages/Resources/Handouts/HODiabetesandInsulinResistance.pdf

Regards, have a nice day! :wave:

Recently bought a package of extra firm organic soy. Fried it up for about an hour with extra virgin olive oil.

I eat it cold. Add a little garlic power to it. Guess what? It tastes like CHICKEN!

I know where you're coming from on this. I personally like Tofu ANY way, except cold. However, my husband can't stand the consistency of it. He swore it was the tofu itself until I cooked it differently for him. Some people just don't like the texture. Cooking it a long time (as you mention) creates a firmer consistency as it cooks the moisture out. This takes awhile with tofu! You might find less time at a higher temp achieves the same though.

I know where you're coming from on this. I personally like Tofu ANY way, except cold.

How do you cook soy? How do you use it?

I don't like the consistancy of soy, but I have never tried to eat it less fried, so I might like it, if I can get past the touch test. At present, I only use it as a "fried" snack.

You might find less time at a higher temp achieves the same though.

We sliced it thinner and turned up the heat, and it only took 1/2 hour. Thanks! :wave:

Sorry, I guess "cook" was the wrong choice of words. I still did it in a skillet, I just did it much longer than normal to cook out the water and change the consistency for him.

In any "Chinatown" there is a product called "deep fried tofu" that you can buy in any grocery store. For those who want TOFU that most approximates the chewy texture of cooked chicken breast this is the product for you. It costs a little more than regualr but then you are getting more bean and less water.
It is golden beown on the outside of the cakes and white inside. There is no greasiness at all attached to it.

oooooohhhh...that sounds yummy to me! Wonder where I could find it in the Carolinas....

I've been on a low calorie diet, targeting Insulin Resistance, since Dec 11, 2004, or over two years. During that time I lost about 40 pounds and was a bit underweight. Also, based on 21,000 blood pressure readings over 8+ years, I experienced an improvement in my blood pressure, from an average blood pressure of about 153/95 to 126/75. There were also significant improvements to my heart disease.

Over the past few weeks, I've increased the soy, in my diet, adding about 13 grams of proteins per day, and am now consuming around 75 grams per day of protein.

Mysteriously, my weight has unexpectantly dropped an additional 10 pounds! :eek:

Not that I mind losing weight, but my sole reason for my dieting was to improve my insulin sensitivity and my heart disease. I had/have no desire to lose weight.

I can't believe the scale. Why in the world would I lose that much weight, by adding food, namely soy, to my diet? I am eating MORE not LESS! :dizzy: I wasn't expecting a weight loss, I was expecting a weight gain!

I had added the soy to my diet, because, now that my average blood pressure is at a very healthy level, and I was feeling much better, I was concerned that I was not getting enough protein.

I am now hoping that, with the addition of the soy, to my diet, I will experience additional improvements to my heart disease. Only time will tell if I experience additional improvements, or additional weight losses.

SOY... Who loves ya baby! :D

I've been on a low calorie diet, targeting Insulin Resistance, since Dec 11, 2004, or over two years. During that time I lost about 40 pounds and was a bit underweight. Also, based on 21,000 blood pressure readings over 8+ years, I experienced an improvement in my blood pressure, from an average blood pressure of about 153/95 to 126/75. There were also significant improvements to my heart disease.

Over the past few weeks, I've increased the soy, in my diet, adding about 13 grams of proteins per day, and am now consuming around 75 grams per day of protein.

Mysteriously, my weight has unexpectantly dropped an additional 10 pounds! :eek:

Not that I mind losing weight, but my sole reason for my dieting was to improve my insulin sensitivity and my heart disease. I had/have no desire to lose weight.

I can't believe the scale. Why in the world would I lose that much weight, by adding food, namely soy, to my diet? I am eating MORE not LESS! :dizzy: I wasn't expecting a weight loss, I was expecting a weight gain!

I had added the soy to my diet, because, now that my average blood pressure is at a very healthy level, and I was feeling much better, I was concerned that I was not getting enough protein.

I am now hoping that, with the addition of the soy, to my diet, I will experience additional improvements to my heart disease. Only time will tell if I experience additional improvements, or additional weight losses.

SOY... Who loves ya baby! :D


That stuff is probably killing you! :D Just kidding! ;)

You are eating more, but soy, and soy is generally lower calorie by weight I would think, and if you are replacing "other" higher calorie food with it, I can see how you would lose weight. Makes sense to me.

An important thing to note is that Soy is not good for women who already have problems with estrogen. Soy has an estrogenic effect on people, but women who are already having estrogen problems should not be consuming soy at all.

I learned that the hard way. My chiropractor was the one who figured out the link and immediately banned me from soy. But that's ok because I don't really like it anyway so....no big loss for me.

I only use soy milk when i'm making smoothies, otherwise in cereal or tea/coffee i use cow's milk.

There was something on tv last weekend about soy products and that they could be dangerous for people with cancer or getting treatment for cancer.

I personally feel these days that just about everything is bad for us as the soil has so much pesticide in it, all the animals are fed hormones, fruit and veg are continuously sprayed with chemicals, before the fruit/veg is packaged and transported it is sprayed with a preservative and even in the supermarket they spray the fruit/veg with a preservative solution yet again.

This is why i think no matter which way you go if something is going to affect you personally it will get you no matter what. If there is a chance that soy can be bad then it wont be bad for everybody b/c when you look at any forms of ill health, be it cancer or something else, not everybody across the board is affected. It depends possibly on your genetic makeup or your overall health and immune system on whether soy or other things will affect you negatively.

I have not heard of almond milk so will have to look out for that one. This is what i like about this board, you can find random bits of new info all the time :)

okay, well, I will admit that I did not read all the way through this very long, yet interesting, thread, so I apologize if anybody has covered this post or already.

To prevent these things from occuring, we can simply eat organic products. Organic products (and some that aren't even labelled as organic also) do not allow any hormone pumping, such as in dairy. The problem with dairy is that every single cow is pumped full of BGH. Organic milk isn't. So, the problem can be taken care of. Also, vegetables and all can also be purchased organic. If you are near a farmer's market, even better. At a farmer's market you can buy organic products for cheaper (yes, cheaper) than non-organic products in a grocery store. Worried about growth hormones and pesticides and other unknowables? try organic. It'll make you feel better.

Cheers

beerzoids - you sold me!! :)

An important thing to note is that Soy is not good for women who already have problems with estrogen. Soy has an estrogenic effect on people, but women who are already having estrogen problems should not be consuming soy at all.

I learned that the hard way. My chiropractor was the one who figured out the link and immediately banned me from soy. But that's ok because I don't really like it anyway so....no big loss for me.

Do you mean those with low estrogen shd ban from eating soy? what does soy do to ur estrogen level?

ryzza,

The argument, weak as it is, is that soy contains plant materials that are SIMILAR to human estrogen and thus might raise human estrogen levels too HIGH. THus it would never be a problem for someone with LOW estrogen but for someone wioth HIGH estrogen.

Personally, I think one's plumber or mailman is apt to know about as much about the subject of estrogen mimics as a chiroproacter.

If spraying with pesticides is a standard for whether vegetables should be eaten, then only those with extensive and well tended gardens would be able to eat them.

ryzza,
If spraying with pesticides is a standard for whether vegetables should be eaten, then only those with extensive and well tended gardens would be able to eat them.

could you clarify what you meant by this please in its context? thank you

-veg

Virtually ALL fresh vegetable matter is sprayed with pesticides, and fungicides before the consumer gets it. There's no law that says they must disclose.

Unless you grow it yourself, you won't know what was or wasn't sprayed on that lovely bunch of bright green broccoli, or those shiny red apples.

and where did you recieve this information? This is simply not true..there are indeed restrictions. Now, if you have personally seen an organic farmer do that, then maybe you should report them to the USDA because then they will take their organic label away from them. It is quite illegal to use chemical pesticides on produce labeled organic, and people have been fined and sued over those exact issues...

Very interesting stuff and will keep you away from soy forever.

I've read report, after report, after report, after study, from sources that I consider very creditable, that soy is an excellent food source with many more health benefits, than health risks.

In a few weeks, after I eat the last container of beef chili, I'm going to increase my daily soy consumption. I'll do this by eliminating meat totally from my diet, and replacing it with an equal amount of soy protein. I'd much rather be eating healthy soy, then bacteria ridden beef, with it's unhealthy trans fats and saturated fats.

Oh gosh...can someone PLEASE tell me SOME food (or substance) that isn't harmful? If nothing else, there's always a possibilty of choking on it...

Personally, I like soy. I think it's great. I don't care what SO-and-SO claims to say about it...bunch of nonsense. I eat healthy, but I'm sure if I ate one thing excessively there'd be some type of damage...

I eat Boca and Morning Star Farms types of soy products sometimes. Would you consider them healthy also, or not as much so as other types of soy?

I eat a lot of soy, usually as bean curd, occasionally as roasted "nuts" and I think it is an EXCELLENT food...high in protein, low in calories, and with a type of polyunsaturated fat that is excellent for health.

If all my food choices were as good as my TOFU choices, I'd have a far healthier diet.

I agree with the posts about the dairy and meat industries and their power. They have us all believing that we won't get stronger or lose weight unless we have the proper amount of dairy a day. Why do you think they have called cow's milk "moo glue"? A cow produces milk for it's baby with the proteins THAT baby needs! Those proteins are not going to necessarily work for humans. Cows milk causes a mucus (a glue) that can affect all organs of the body. I, for one will take my chances with soy, rice, or almond milk. I have them daily, along with veggie burgers, etc.

Oh gosh...can someone PLEASE tell me SOME food (or substance) that isn't harmful? If nothing else, there's always a possibilty of choking on it...

Personally, I like soy. I think it's great. I don't care what SO-and-SO claims to say about it...bunch of nonsense. I eat healthy, but I'm sure if I ate one thing excessively there'd be some type of damage...

LOL! I had a swallowing problem due to esophageal stricture, so used to always think I'd choke on everything I ate. TBH, at that time I was just glad to eat anything that went down without getting stuck.

As regards all the 'this is good for you, this is bad' stuff, I think we need to keep a sense of proportion. Even the so-called experts can't decide what's good or bad, which means we end up with the nonsense I once read in a magazine, where on one page it said don't eat parsnips because they're carcinogenic and a few pages later they were mentioned as a superfood in the fight against cancer.

We used to be told tea and coffee were bad for us, now it seems they're good, though don't be foolish enough to put any milk in your tea. And eggs, ever so bad for your cholesterol once upon a time, now fine. Meat - full of hormones or best source of first-class protein? Fish - best source of omega fats or heavily polluted from the sea? And on and on it goes ...

Also, we're told we need to drink various things to keep us healthy. Recommended per day: 5 pints of water, lots of black and green tea, 2 glasses of cranberry juice, several cups of coffee, milk for its calcium content, red wine (or for those who don't like alcohol, grape juice), herbal tea ...

Personally, I eat and drink what I like and as much as I like, within reason. I do try to buy organic when possible and when affordable, as I think it might be best to consume as few pesticides, etc. as possible.. I'm a vegetarian, but only because I don't want to eat animals, birds or fish, not because I'm really convinced it has any great health benefits. If I eat anything that makes me feel unwell I don't eat it again. I try not to worry about which foods are in fashion (and yes, of course there's fashion in food as in everything else), because I know that these things go in cycles - today's wonder food is tomorrow's killer. I honestly believe worrying over one's diet is far more stressful and ultimately harmful than eating a little of what you fancy.

Since certain substances in soy mimic estrogen, I try to stay away from it. But, as long as it's fermented, I don't see how moderate amounts can affect anyone (except men) negatively.

One of my main sources of Protein, over the past month or two, has been Soy. I am now entering the 9th day of a Soy instead of Meat diet. Soy now provides about 25% of my daily protein. It's too early to tell how this change in diet will effect my health. I'll be getting a CBC in a few months, and although I really don't expect any surprises with the CBC, I'm interested in reviewing the results.

I am now entering the 9th day of a Soy instead of Meat diet. Soy now provides about 25% of my daily protein.

Beerzoids,
Where' the other 75% of your protein coming from, milk and eggs...or grains and other legumes?

Lenin,

Nuts, eggs, greens and whole grains make up the rest of my diet, proteins, carbs and fats.

I don't do dairy. It doesn't like me.

I am also a coffeeholic, similarly to your coffee addiction, drinking eight full size mugs of coffee per day, only, in my case it is DECAF.

ryzza,

The argument, weak as it is, is that soy contains plant materials that are SIMILAR to human estrogen and thus might raise human estrogen levels too HIGH. THus it would never be a problem for someone with LOW estrogen but for someone wioth HIGH estrogen.

Personally, I think one's plumber or mailman is apt to know about as much about the subject of estrogen mimics as a chiroproacter.

If spraying with pesticides is a standard for whether vegetables should be eaten, then only those with extensive and well tended gardens would be able to eat them.

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An important thing to note is that Soy is not good for women who already have problems with estrogen. Soy has an estrogenic effect on people, but women who are already having estrogen problems should not be consuming soy at all.

I learned that the hard way. My chiropractor was the one who figured out the link and immediately banned me from soy. But that's ok because I don't really like it anyway so....no big loss for me.

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I had my uterus and ovaries removed because of a sarcoma tumor and my ob gyn who is also an oncologist, did not put me on horomal therapy for the risks of getting cancer again from the estrogen, he also suggested that I stay away from soy products, again because of the estrogen. I don't know about men, but as a woman who has had cancer before, I just don't take the chance or risk so I stay away from the soy. But maybe someone else is different, maybe it depends on the kind of cancer, who really knows. And I can't drink milk it takes me to gasville, and so I used to drink the soy, then I tried the rice milk, but that one didn't settle too well with me either, then I discovered the almond milk, and that's been the best for me. As far as the chiropractor, maybe he knows the ob gyn doctor and that's how he knew to ban the soy from his patient? :)

All studies aside, I would avoid soy milk (or soy products, etc.) because the list of ingredients is waaaayyy too long. A good rule of thumb for choosing food is to stay away from anything with more than five ingredients. Especially when you don't know what half the ingredients are. For example, here are the ingredients in a frozen soy burger:
WATER, SOY PROTEIN CONCENTRATE, REDUCED FAT CHEDDAR CHEESE (PASTEURIZED PART SKIM MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES, ANNATTO [COLOR], VITAMIN A PALMITATE), WHEAT GLUTEN, CONTAINS LESS THAN 2% OF METHYLCELLULOSE, SALT, YEAST EXTRACT, CHEESE POWDER (CHEDDAR CHEESE [MILK, CHEESE CULTURE, SALT, ENZYMES], CREAM, SALT, LACTIC ACID), DRIED ONIONS, NATURAL FLAVOR (NON-MEAT), CARAMEL COLOR, SESAME OIL, BROWNED IN CORN OIL.

Lots of salt, dairy products, corn oil, caramel color? Doesn't sound that healthy to me. Yes, we all have to be wary of pesticides and growing procedures, but fruit, vegetables, grains and fish are really the way to go.

Dairy isn't so hot, either. We are the only mammals that don't get weaned. Maybe the longevitiy of Eastern countries is due to the lack of dairy instead of the addition of soy? That's just something to think about.

A good alternative is coconut milk. Look for a brand that only contains water and the milk, and maybe a guar gum for preservative. I use coconut milk in scrambled eggs, mashed potatoes, and pureed soups that call for cream. It does change the taste a bit, but not necessarily in a bad way.

Hmmm!? It's now been 13 days since I've switched totally from meat to soy. The ONLY change, in my health (except for a little more gas :p ), is that I've had to notch another hole in my belt, to tighten it. I haven't lost any more weight, so I must be losing it around the middle!? I don't mind that at all. :D

Go SOY!!! :blob_fire

Be careful! Coconut milk will raise cholesterol very quick and easy! Meat also baned in Asia one stage for "mad cow disease" and "chicken flu"!

hahaha, i can't believe you guys are still going at it! LOVE IT

Bulletproof,
I agree with the "more than five ingredients" and unpronounceable ingredients rule - those foods DO seem kind of gross...
Where did this "Eastern longevity" idea come from??? Hmmm... don't think that's a fact...
Interesting point about dairy and mammals, BUT coconut milk? ewww!

and Pika, I've never heard of America getting meat from Asia, so I'm not going to worry...
GO SOY! :D

[QUOTE=innerstrength86;2895065]hahaha, i can't believe you guys are still going at it! LOVE IT

Ha-ha, are we going for a record here? This has been going on since Jan!! See what you started Barbecue? : ) It's nice that we can all agree to disagree tho. Thank God we're all different or it would be pretty boring. Y'all take care out there and try really hard to eat and stay healthy. :wave:

the only thing i have ever heard about soy is the fact that people with thyroid problems need to avoid it.

the only thing i have ever heard about soy is the fact that people with thyroid problems need to avoid it.

Oh believe me, there is LOTS, LOTS more information out there, if you will just read up online for it. :)