I am new to the "Stack" scene and need whatever the "non-rookies" can tell me.....recommend meal plans, how to take the e's c's and a's , how long to be on then off....etc. I am not into any heavy weights but I want to get into better shape again.
Any info would be appreciated.

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~Good Girl~

Is your goal to add some muscle or lose fat? Since you want an ECA stack I'm assuming you want to burn some fat and increase energy. Take 20 mg of ephedrine 200 mg of caffeine and 80 mg of aspirin. You can take this in three pills OR they sell them at stores as " ripped fuel" which I recommend you do. You should be over 18 if you are taking this. Also if you have any health concerns let me know.

[This message has been edited by Just 2 Built (edited 05-28-2001).]

Thank you for your input. I am 32 in June BTW. Two years ago I was in amazing shape having toning classes at work every lunch hour except Fridays. I was really into the gym then as well. I miss feeling energetic so I thought this might help. I have heard some good things regarding ECA so I decided to try it. "Ripped Fuel" sounds great but I don't have it in my store here. I have purchased the aspirin....the caffeine...and the ephedrine separately. Tonight I am set to go to the gym so its my first time. Took em about 45 min ago and feeling quite...hmmmm.....how can I describe ...."anxious" maybe. For now I am a little nervous too I think....What else can I tell you to better help me? A question to you if okay......how long have you been weight training? and your age please too? Want to know where my advice is coming from.....TY again!!!!

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~Good Girl~

I was waiting till someone asked my age and how long I have been working out. Ready? I'm 17.. Now you must be thinking oh this guy is nothing! Well your ignorant if you are! I have been working out for over 2 years and please don't let the age fool you I weigh close to 190 lbs with a visible six pack. Put it this way two years ago I weighed 125 lbs. Now I do have the experience and knowledge to give people advice to the best of my ability so take it or leave it. Now I see your taking the ECA stack seperately which is cool so what is it that you want to know? By the way I'm from Toronto too

Easy my friend.....no worries here....everyone knows experience is the key to knowledge and two teen years is no different than two of the older set. Anyway, I was a little agitated tonight so I decided to go for a run around ten or so. I think I need to get used to this stuff. I am interested in losing about 10 lbs. and toning up. Tell me about your experience with ECA and any other information that could help please and keep in mind that I can appreciate the work you've done to improve yourself......I am actually in Burlington BTW....but howdy neighbor.
EDIT: The dose on the Ephedrine is 25 mg tabs....the aspirin is 325mg...(guess I should half that one)...and the caffeine is 100 mg. Let me know if I should take em only 2x a day or 3.....just before my workout or does it matter. Also, can I take Creatine at the same time? Thank you again!!!
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~Good Girl~

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You can take it together once or twice a day to start (3-5 days), 3 times a day thereafter. It's most effective when taken 30 minutes before working out or 30-45 minutes before meals. You can elect to not increase frequency to three times a day if two dosings or less give desired results. Don't take it more than 3 times a day. Remember it can be dangerous so monitor yourself very carefully. In addition to this you must start to eat up to 6 meals per day. What is your weight by the way? Try to get in the same protein as your bodyweight and also drink a gallon of water. Regarding the creatine it will make you retain water thus making you weigh more. but it will give you energy. So I would not recommend taking them at the same time.


[This message has been edited by Just 2 Built (edited 05-28-2001).]

What is the benefit of the Asprin? Ephedrine and Caffeine seem pretty obvious....

Naxis

Well it's just like a cake. With no yeast it's crap. When there combined together you get the best effect.

I get that theres soemthing about the mixture that is beneficial, but I know that ephedrine and caffeine raise heart rate ... what does the asprin _do_.

Naxis

Hey....That is one I can answer!!!! The aspirin (as many heart patients know) actually thins the blood slightly thus oxygen is more readily available to all body parts...especially your heart that is pumping faster. Thanks again 2 Built for the info....If I take this 2 x's a day....before I work out and one more. Is it okay if I take it in the am before work....I am a customer service rep (sits on her *** ) so advise me there buddy. The other thing is my stats.... I am 5 ft 10 inches..my measurements are 36-32-34....omg that *** one hurts...giggles....I think I weigh about 175. I can still turn heads but I am not happy without the toning and a drop of 10-15 lbs...maybe even 20 would be SWEET....

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~Good Girl~

Yeah you can take it before work and then before you workout. 5'10.... Your taller than me.... Im 5'8

Yes my friend....but you are still growing!!!!......thank you again.

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~Good Girl~

For what it's worth. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE be careful about taking all those "natural" stimulants. Many MANY MANY people have died from doing so. Basically what you are doing is mixing up a home brew of "speed". I would truly recommend non-stimulant products...they are available in the healthfood stores, internet, mags, etc...and while the loss may be slower, I guarantee it will be better than the loss of weight you might experience in a coffin!!!! PLEASE, EVERYBODY, Take care and choose another method than the combination of caffeine, ephedrine and asprin.......it's a potential killer and YOU might be the next person who is permanently damanged or losing weight the permanent way........Okay, off my soapbox. I'll send a prayer with this and hope it stops those who would be adversely affected by this "natural bomb"!!!

Thank you for the care and info pink.........Are you a medical professional?......how old are you.....do you have any experience with ECA and above all....do you know someone personally that has passed on?.....just curious.....People read exagerated articles in magazines and assume its all the "gospel".....another point just to show what I mean......"prozac", a very helpful drug to depressed individuals was "rumoured" to be a potential killer and it was just a bunch of wingnuts reading some material regarding a coincedence with some skitso takin a bath with his toaster......"ephedrine" is a widely prescribed medication for colds and flu with a mix of other drugs....as well it is used in many asmatic meds.....I have read tons on the subject. It is safe but everyone should be careful.....Thank you again for your opinion though pink. Take care.
Oh, and BTW, I have sucessfully lost 8lbs. and my workout feels totally incredible. I am not saying this is the answer for everyone....but a few of my friends and I are doing well with this method.

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~Good Girl~

[This message has been edited by good_girl_1969 (edited 06-05-2001).]

Regarding aspirin, in a nutshell while it does thin the blood making thermogenesis more effective, it also causes many cells in your body to speed up in terms of metabolic processes. Some people have referred to this as increased oxidative phosphorylation and others call it uncoupling phenomenon. In either case, some people like it and others see no value in it in the stack.

Thanks for the input paper clip! I spoke to my doctor yesterday regarding this whole thing and, while normally very "anal" about anything non-natural, has said that I am healthy (as per my physical) and he does not see any problem using this type of "help". Not for everyone....possibly....but working for me.

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~Good Girl~

Good girl, in an earlier post you stated that you wanted to loose about 10 pounds. With the eight that you have lost, are you seeing the result that you hoped for? A more toned look? 10 pounds can make a huge difference? Good luck.

Tresni

Actually, I notice a little difference in muscle tone but I am not doing the same amount of weights as I do at the gym in winter. Mountain Biking is my new love and with a race in August I am devoted to more cardio. Lots of time for toning when the friggin' snow comes...giggles....10 lbs was my 1st goal but I realized I need to lose a bit more for my liking. Then again I may decide that weight training will bring it all together. Thank you for the posting and good luck to you too.

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~Good Girl~

Yes, I am associated with the medical field and the people who are in danger the most are those who have no idea that they have a heart condition of some sort including mitral valve dysfuncion which so many many people have and don't know it or those who have elevated bloodpressure. For those people the stimulants can be deadly, trigger problems or at the worse simply scare the stuffing out of them with the side effects. And for some thinning the blood does nothing and others it causes bleeds that permanently affect them even to the point of death. Do you remember the fen fen thing? My aunt was personally heart injured by that concoction and her friend dropped dead. Obviously, many people can take the mixture you are taking without causing any problems. But some will do so and either be permanently injured or even dead. The best thing to do, therefore, if anyone is thinking about this mixture is to go get a physical with the express purpose of telling the physician that "I want to take this mixture to lose weight" and "is my body able to handle it?". Granted you may have to go to several physicians if you can't find one who is open minded enough to consider your plans. But when one does find an opened minded physician and they find something in the exam and battery of medical tests, then the wise thing to do is to listen and find another way to lose weight. Personally, I have lost 65 pounds, gained 20 and stayed at that weight for a year, and now I am heading down again. I want to lose 100 pounds more. I would love to do it the quick and easy way...so would everyone....but for me and so many others like me....stimulants and blood thinners are a death sentence and I am unable to exercise too much because of joint disease....So, my advice remains the same. If you want to take these stimulants either from your own mix or from a doctor, make sure that you have been checked out heartwise and that your doctor knows just exactly what you want to take and in what quantities....sometimes its not even the item, its the quantity that gets you in trouble. Good luck with your weight loss and body shaping.......if you can excercise at what you want to exercise at and are not limited by joint or muscle problems than that will always remain the best and safest way to slim and tone. Have a great day!

Thank you again pink!!! Actually, I just had my physical with doc...he is normally very "closed minded" regarding any unecessary drugs. However, since I am healthy and have no record of any heart problems he said it is okay. By the way, ephedrine and fen fen are not linked in any way( as per my family GP ). I don't know what the difference is...but he said they are not the same. Maybe since you are in the field you can fill me in? The opinion of everyone is always welcome.....thats how we learn. And I appreciate your caring too...Take care yourself and good luck with your weight my friend!

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~Good Girl~

Glad your physical went well and that you are heart healthy. Fen fen and ephederine are different, but used for the same purpose....losing weight....that is their connection and it is that ever present search for weight loss and the ideal body that gets so many in trouble. Believe me...I research everything that comes out and even stuff I get through the mail...because, I too, wish for a wonder pill or a miracle drug.....so far..smile...I haven't found any except for sensible dieting and exercise. But, because of my own experiences with medications, chemical and herbal alike, I still would advise all who read this to get checked out FIRST before using a stimulant, herbal or prescriptive. I have enjoyed talking with you, good girl, and wish you continued success. I applaud you going to your doctor....take care.......hotpink

Hi, Goodgirl

How is the weight loss going? Have you gotten to the point where it is time to cycle the pilss? How much body fat and weight have you lost now? How did you change your eating habits?

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Hi gang,

A very interesting discussion. I'm fairly new here, so nice to meet you all :-)

I'm a 6'0, 37 yr old male, current weight, 205....I work out with weights, (free weights), 3x a week--and do cardio, 6-7 day's a week......combo of tae bow, and running/walking.
I forgot to add, that I've lost about 65lbs over the past 7 months.

A bit of a warning on the caffine/asprin/eph mix.....well, my warning is strickly from caffine....I had to use a headache medicine, called fiorcet, that among other things, contains 50mg of caffine.....I have never had heart/high blood pressure problems...and had taken this combo for many years, w/o incident....then one night, my heart was racing, I mean it wdn't stop....this went on for 3 hrs, before I called 911.

To keep this short, I was evaluated in the e/r, where they found no problems, which a cardiologist confirmed....just that my body had become very sensitive to caffine...was told to watch my intake carefully, as this can be a life threatening condition.

Not trying to scare anyone, just want everyone to be careful, and listen to your body, is the most impt thing....those of us that w/o alot, are really in tune, which is a huge help.

Best wishes,
Jack

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