steckles
03-07-2007, 08:48 PM
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BOY o BOY!! I was NOT expecting that!!
I have had intestinal issues for a few years 2 surgeries and adhesion disorder along with damaged nerve endings, and knotted muscles spasms in my fascia tissue from my surgery which was for ruptured diverticulitis.
Pain and pain meds every day for the past 2 years, at least once every 2 weeks home because I can't function from pain. Acupuncture twice a week and a bag FULL of scripts that either make me loopy, fall asleep for days or don't allow me to drive or work.
needless to say I am willing to try anything to get rid of this Daily and Chronic pain.
soo I went to a Gyno thinking maybe she could help or find something my other 7 dr's have not. Within 30 minutes she discovered my fascia tissue was swollen and painful to the touch.
sooo i went on Monday and not knowing what to expect, the appt was at 3pm and i didn't take any of my daily pain meds b/c I wanted her to find the pain and make this work.
already doubled over when I got to her office, I took my meds and she started.
She found 39 pain spots and this was only from my breasts to my pelvic bone in front, no sides or back.
I felt like the 40 year old virgin when he was being waxed on his nipples!! IT HURT SOOOOOOO BADLY!!!!
she put the needle in and i could barely feel that(kind of like acupuncture at first) and then she moves it until she hit the damaged nerve and the muscle and then my pain level went from 3 to 10++++ in seconds!! I was screaming and crying and squeezing the nurses hand sooo tightly while also biting on a towel!!
as soon as she moved the needle off the spot, the furious pain stopped. Well she was onlu able to get 29 injections into me instead of 39 which she wanted to do, maybe due to either my pain or swelling.
When I got home after the appt, still shaking and quite shocked at what pain I had just gone through, I looked at my belly and she used a bright red marker when making spots and my WHOLE abdomen was Black! There was Much more black than skin and barely red just where the spots were made.
today 3 days later, one acupuncture session later and lots of advil and pain meds still and I feel like I have gotten the wind knocked out of me, but I think It is working a little.
The major pain I had was before and after the bathroom and the past 2 days have been very minor with that pain...
could this have helped? Could 30 minutes of 10++++ pain level be worth it for a few months of relief?
YES!!!!!
anyone else ever have any experience with very painful trigger point injections?
BOY o BOY!! I was NOT expecting that!!
I have had intestinal issues for a few years 2 surgeries and adhesion disorder along with damaged nerve endings, and knotted muscles spasms in my fascia tissue from my surgery which was for ruptured diverticulitis.
Pain and pain meds every day for the past 2 years, at least once every 2 weeks home because I can't function from pain. Acupuncture twice a week and a bag FULL of scripts that either make me loopy, fall asleep for days or don't allow me to drive or work.
needless to say I am willing to try anything to get rid of this Daily and Chronic pain.
soo I went to a Gyno thinking maybe she could help or find something my other 7 dr's have not. Within 30 minutes she discovered my fascia tissue was swollen and painful to the touch.
sooo i went on Monday and not knowing what to expect, the appt was at 3pm and i didn't take any of my daily pain meds b/c I wanted her to find the pain and make this work.
already doubled over when I got to her office, I took my meds and she started.
She found 39 pain spots and this was only from my breasts to my pelvic bone in front, no sides or back.
I felt like the 40 year old virgin when he was being waxed on his nipples!! IT HURT SOOOOOOO BADLY!!!!
she put the needle in and i could barely feel that(kind of like acupuncture at first) and then she moves it until she hit the damaged nerve and the muscle and then my pain level went from 3 to 10++++ in seconds!! I was screaming and crying and squeezing the nurses hand sooo tightly while also biting on a towel!!
as soon as she moved the needle off the spot, the furious pain stopped. Well she was onlu able to get 29 injections into me instead of 39 which she wanted to do, maybe due to either my pain or swelling.
When I got home after the appt, still shaking and quite shocked at what pain I had just gone through, I looked at my belly and she used a bright red marker when making spots and my WHOLE abdomen was Black! There was Much more black than skin and barely red just where the spots were made.
today 3 days later, one acupuncture session later and lots of advil and pain meds still and I feel like I have gotten the wind knocked out of me, but I think It is working a little.
The major pain I had was before and after the bathroom and the past 2 days have been very minor with that pain...
could this have helped? Could 30 minutes of 10++++ pain level be worth it for a few months of relief?
YES!!!!!
anyone else ever have any experience with very painful trigger point injections?
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Shoreline
03-08-2007, 12:33 PM
Hi Steckles, There is more than one technique and phylosophy when it comes to TP injections. What you had done sounds more like the doc using a needle to break adhesions loose rather than what most people have experienced with TP injections.
The idea behind TP injections is to numb and break up a spasm, but you don't bruise from being numbed, you bruise from tearing away scar tissue. Unfortunately this type of procedure can also cause more scar tissue. Ideally you should get back in for myofacial release techniques and massage to keep the fascia from becoming tacked back down. Stretching is another way to keep from ending up in the same position you were prior to the needle treatment. Now that the scar tissue has been broken loose, you need to prevent it from growing back. You can do this with various stretching techniques like walking the wall with your hands, the same way woman that have mastecectomies need to to prevent scarr tissue from laying down and limiting range of motion to the point they can't even stand up straight from scar tissue restricting range of motion..
Ideally the doc should have you get in with PT that can use myofacial release and massage to prevent the area she broke loose from tacking back down. If you do nothing to prevent the areas she broke loose from tacking back down, I would expect the same experience 3 months from now. Where a PT working on the area as soon as some of the bruising deminishes can prevent adhesions from forming again. Otherwise you will just go through cycles of breaking it loose and then letting it grow back. You have to be pro active in preventing formation of new scar tissue after this kind of procedure.
Unfortunately some people lay down more scar tissue than others. Have you ever had myofacial release or scar management from a PT? When do you follow up with the doc that did the "TP" injections/ needle work?
Someone using their hands to manipulate and seperate the fascia where it's become tacked down from scar tissue isn't quite as painful as piercing a nerve with a needle. Right now your in the position where inactivity and doing nothing will just bring you back to where you were. Where being proactive to maintin the benefit of breaking the scar tisue loose will hopefully benefit you more than quaterly torture sesions where the doc does it all with a needle and and a little lidocaine.
Personally I would call the doc and let them know you want to get in with a PT for scar management so you don't loose any benefit from what she did the other day. Part of the problem may be having too many docs where one thinks it's the others job to do the folllow up or order the PT or request myofacial release or scar management. Try to put you care in the lap of one doc whos going to follow through with needed after care rather than check and see how much you benefited from having some scar tissue ripped away from the fascia 3 months down the road.
This is really more of pain management procedure where a doc would follow up and order the needed after care. Physcial medicine docs do this type of procedure and pain manegment docs do it, but what is a gyno going to do as far as recovery from surgery and bringing you back to maximum function,range of motion and comfort if they only do one step of the process. It's normal for docs to do the needle work, and PT's do do the hands on part that obviously needs to be done at this point.
So you don't sound like your being demanding or know more than the doc, I would just call the gyno back and ask what are you supposed to do in the meantime to prevent the scar tissue from regrowing. You might ask if there is some type of PT, myofacial release and massage or scar management program you can get into to maximize benefit from the treatment she did.
Good luck, Dave
The idea behind TP injections is to numb and break up a spasm, but you don't bruise from being numbed, you bruise from tearing away scar tissue. Unfortunately this type of procedure can also cause more scar tissue. Ideally you should get back in for myofacial release techniques and massage to keep the fascia from becoming tacked back down. Stretching is another way to keep from ending up in the same position you were prior to the needle treatment. Now that the scar tissue has been broken loose, you need to prevent it from growing back. You can do this with various stretching techniques like walking the wall with your hands, the same way woman that have mastecectomies need to to prevent scarr tissue from laying down and limiting range of motion to the point they can't even stand up straight from scar tissue restricting range of motion..
Ideally the doc should have you get in with PT that can use myofacial release and massage to prevent the area she broke loose from tacking back down. If you do nothing to prevent the areas she broke loose from tacking back down, I would expect the same experience 3 months from now. Where a PT working on the area as soon as some of the bruising deminishes can prevent adhesions from forming again. Otherwise you will just go through cycles of breaking it loose and then letting it grow back. You have to be pro active in preventing formation of new scar tissue after this kind of procedure.
Unfortunately some people lay down more scar tissue than others. Have you ever had myofacial release or scar management from a PT? When do you follow up with the doc that did the "TP" injections/ needle work?
Someone using their hands to manipulate and seperate the fascia where it's become tacked down from scar tissue isn't quite as painful as piercing a nerve with a needle. Right now your in the position where inactivity and doing nothing will just bring you back to where you were. Where being proactive to maintin the benefit of breaking the scar tisue loose will hopefully benefit you more than quaterly torture sesions where the doc does it all with a needle and and a little lidocaine.
Personally I would call the doc and let them know you want to get in with a PT for scar management so you don't loose any benefit from what she did the other day. Part of the problem may be having too many docs where one thinks it's the others job to do the folllow up or order the PT or request myofacial release or scar management. Try to put you care in the lap of one doc whos going to follow through with needed after care rather than check and see how much you benefited from having some scar tissue ripped away from the fascia 3 months down the road.
This is really more of pain management procedure where a doc would follow up and order the needed after care. Physcial medicine docs do this type of procedure and pain manegment docs do it, but what is a gyno going to do as far as recovery from surgery and bringing you back to maximum function,range of motion and comfort if they only do one step of the process. It's normal for docs to do the needle work, and PT's do do the hands on part that obviously needs to be done at this point.
So you don't sound like your being demanding or know more than the doc, I would just call the gyno back and ask what are you supposed to do in the meantime to prevent the scar tissue from regrowing. You might ask if there is some type of PT, myofacial release and massage or scar management program you can get into to maximize benefit from the treatment she did.
Good luck, Dave
rose2006
03-08-2007, 08:42 PM
wondering if this is what's going on with me. 1st pc apt. next week after 6mos of incapacitating pelvic floor pain shooting stabbing & sometimes numb What do I need to do to get the most out of pc apt? want my life back
steckles
03-09-2007, 03:29 AM
Thanks for your reply, I did actually make an appt for a myofacial release massage but not for another week and a half. Today I also spoke with my Dr. and she recommended buying a big ball to stretch out my abdomen.
I actually had the best day today that I have had in a very long time! I still needed my meds, but 2 hours later than normal both times and nothing after 5:30pm escept gasx, compared to the past 2 yrs of needing some form of muscle spasm or pain med.
I really hope this lasts and if so This IS AMAZING!!
Excrutatingly painful during the shots and a few days of pain and bruising but so far none of the doubled over, body shaking, sweating pain that I had a few days ago and have had for 2 years....
keeping my fingers crossed. Thank you very much for recommending those things above. I will keep you updated.
:)
I actually had the best day today that I have had in a very long time! I still needed my meds, but 2 hours later than normal both times and nothing after 5:30pm escept gasx, compared to the past 2 yrs of needing some form of muscle spasm or pain med.
I really hope this lasts and if so This IS AMAZING!!
Excrutatingly painful during the shots and a few days of pain and bruising but so far none of the doubled over, body shaking, sweating pain that I had a few days ago and have had for 2 years....
keeping my fingers crossed. Thank you very much for recommending those things above. I will keep you updated.
:)
Shoreline
03-09-2007, 11:30 AM
Hey Steckels, That's great you have a follow up with a PT. It just makes sense to keep the the area from tacking back down. I'm on my 4th physio ball myself, other than not really having a place to store the thing it does allow you to stretch safely beyond what you might normally be able to. Between the massage and stretching, you may be able to avoid having to go through the same procedure or stretch out the time between procedures and limit the number of injection sites or the frequncy of injections.
It makes perfect sense to allow some healing time to allow the bruising to deminish. It's nice to see more people proactive in their own care.
Our problems are very diffferent but the more you do, the less you have to depend on a doc to do or meds to mask a problem you may be able to completely correct. I had 3 surgeries and had been through round after round of PT before a therapist ask if anyone had ever done scar management or release on me. After 3 major back surgeries, the therapist put her hand on my back and expected to be able to move the skin seperate from the msucle, but it was like someone had glued the skin down to the fascia, nothing moved. Although I could feel the tearing when she worked on me, it's a crucial part of recovering to the highest level of function and comfort possible.
Good luck, Dave
It makes perfect sense to allow some healing time to allow the bruising to deminish. It's nice to see more people proactive in their own care.
Our problems are very diffferent but the more you do, the less you have to depend on a doc to do or meds to mask a problem you may be able to completely correct. I had 3 surgeries and had been through round after round of PT before a therapist ask if anyone had ever done scar management or release on me. After 3 major back surgeries, the therapist put her hand on my back and expected to be able to move the skin seperate from the msucle, but it was like someone had glued the skin down to the fascia, nothing moved. Although I could feel the tearing when she worked on me, it's a crucial part of recovering to the highest level of function and comfort possible.
Good luck, Dave
steckles
03-09-2007, 03:03 PM
Day 2 with pain level of 3 or less so far!!!
normally it is 4+ and 3 is just discomfort....I think it may be working and helping!!!
no meds needed last night and I have been able to push my meds back a few hours for 2 days now without the awful effects I would normally have!~!!!
YEAH!!!!!:D :D :D
thanks sooo much for your advice with this!! it issoo helpful to be able to come on here and get info and also vent a bit and share experiences!!!
Rose I would recomend asking your dr if you can take anything before hand, the stinging pain from the lydocaine going in is unbearable but only lasts a few seconds. I hope this helps you too, please keep me informed! I am giddily thrilled to be able to laugh and walk without being doubled over or having stabbing cramps!!!
Still zero appetite and I may ask my dr for a prescription for marinol to help with that, but all smiles today!!!
:)
normally it is 4+ and 3 is just discomfort....I think it may be working and helping!!!
no meds needed last night and I have been able to push my meds back a few hours for 2 days now without the awful effects I would normally have!~!!!
YEAH!!!!!:D :D :D
thanks sooo much for your advice with this!! it issoo helpful to be able to come on here and get info and also vent a bit and share experiences!!!
Rose I would recomend asking your dr if you can take anything before hand, the stinging pain from the lydocaine going in is unbearable but only lasts a few seconds. I hope this helps you too, please keep me informed! I am giddily thrilled to be able to laugh and walk without being doubled over or having stabbing cramps!!!
Still zero appetite and I may ask my dr for a prescription for marinol to help with that, but all smiles today!!!
:)