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mochi*
06-01-2007, 01:44 AM
Hi all,
I am just having a really hard time, and just didn;t know where else to go...
My OCD had been terrible lately, and today was especially bad.
My thoughts seem out of control and I can;t stop the "pure O" or incessent worring and obsessing about my yucky thoughts...
Sometimes I wonder if this is normal for OCD or not--
I mean, do any of you have a severly hard time letting go of a thought, or thoughts, so much so that you just want to cry and crawl into bed???
I feel exhausted from thinking these thoughts all the time, and I just want to cry...
I try so hard not to focus on them, and recognize that they are just OCD, but some days I can;t avoid them, and having them crowd my brain makes me unable to focus, and the nature of them makes me terribly anxoius and depressed.
I feel alone, and sometimes I feel like I can;t kick this thing...
Just i need of some reassurance.
Any suggestions for treating "pure O?"

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ChanceFL
06-01-2007, 01:58 AM
I don't have any suggestions, but I just wanted to tell you that I'm right there with you. My obsessions lately are so awful, and they are making me so depressed that I feel really hopeless. Tomorrow I am going to see another psychiatrist and I'm going to try any medication he suggests because anything is better than this. I also ordered a book called "Freedom From Obsessive Compulsive Disorder" by Jonathon Grayson and it has some really good techniques from what I have read so far. And yes, lately all I have been doing is crying hysterically and laying in bed, so I know how you feel.

lithenblithe
06-01-2007, 02:52 AM
There are definitely those times when it just seems so overwhelming and where nothing seems to help. It gets so hard to do the simplest things, and there doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel. I wish I had better suggestions about how to get out of that, but I do know that those times do always pass, sometimes just when it seems it can't possibly get any worse. I find that sometimes when I am most down, I will have maybe a small moment of clarity or a little peace, and I try to just remember that, and to remember and believe in the times when I have been happy and when the ocd has been more distant. Since I've gotten past my last bout recently, I've written myself some letters of what it's like to be happy, to remind myself when I start to get down or hopeless again.

I know how hard it is; know you're *not* alone and this too shall pass. Try to be patient and understanding with yourself during this tough time. Think of how you might care for a child who was feeling really scared or sad, and care for yourself in that way. If you get angry with yourself for getting caught up in the thoughts, it will only make them worse.

I hope things get better for you soon!

WorldInMotion
06-01-2007, 06:32 AM
hey,
I too have had a difficult time in the past 2 days..Everything seemed fine more or less, met a great girl who i;ve been seeing, taking a good course for the summer, my buddies living with me..it seems great..but serious ocd flare up the other day put me in an anxious, bitter mood..so annoying..I should know by now these times come and go..and within a little while it will be just another annoying memory..youre fine..take care..i feel what helps when your feelign at your worst..just let it happen..say to yourself "yup, feelin like crap right now,.,.bring the thoughts on..whatever, Screw em!"..best done if alone, haha. be good

Nick

Christian73
06-01-2007, 09:18 AM
I'm just coming out of a rough couple of weeks, so I really feel for you. I have learned that finding a way to relax, either through deep breathing or meds, in order to get rid of the anxious, emotional response to the thougths, seems to help them go away. I also find that talking to my nearest and dearest about what I'm "thinking" is really helpful because they help me see how ridiculous the thoughts are.

mochi*
06-02-2007, 05:24 PM
thanks for all the responses guys!!!
It helps to know I'm not alone.
The past few days have just been hell though...
I got home last night and just went to bed, really early, and am having a near impossible time getting myself out of bed now, over 14 hours later...
I just want to sleep, it's the only time my mind can rest.
I am exhausted, mentally and physically from always fighting these thoughts, and the panic/obsessive worry that they induce.
I am scared. I don;t know what to do.
It's been this bad in the past, but it's been years since that happened.
I don;t know what to do but sleep and cry.
I want to tell someone, but only my parents and ex-boyfriend know that I have OCD.
I am so ashamed, but I'm afraid it's not going away....

ChanceFL
06-02-2007, 06:27 PM
I feel the same right now. I layed in bed until 3:00 today and I can't stop crying. I cancelled all my plans for the weekend. My depression is just so bad right now and I feel so out of control. I want this to stop, but it feels like it is only getting worse. I don't know if the OCD has caused my depression, or if I have depression and my OCD is making me obsess over it and dwell on it. Whatever it is, I have never felt so bad.

mochi*
06-02-2007, 08:28 PM
I hear you...
Still have niot left the house today, i feel crazy- with the thoughts, anxiety and now deep depression...
I don't know what to do.
I am making myself get an apppointment with a doc next week.
But i am afraid. Medication rarely works for me... but I don't know what else to do.

syradmb
06-03-2007, 12:05 AM
I hear you guys!! Ive had some bad episodes of intrusive thought. Still kind of in one right now. I talked to my Psychologist friday and it seems that these intrusive thoughts make me fear them- makes me fear acting on them, or going crazy or being Schizophrenic. And this fear is the OCD. Obsessing over it. And this in turn causes the anxiety/panic attacks and depression. it's all one big cycle. What do you combat first?!

I upped my Prozac to 40mgs and have a new benzo- klonopin. We're also looking into adding Buspar.

Do you guys take anything?

ChanceFL
06-03-2007, 02:15 AM
I just took my first Luvox tonight and I take Xanax as needed. My psychiatrist put me on a very low dose of Luvox because I am sensitive to meds, but the only drawback is that it will take longer to work or find out if it doesn't work. I hope it works. I took it early because I hate taking a new med right before I go to sleep because I am medication phobic. I felt anxious and a little dizzy about an hour after taking it, but I'm hoping that's just my own anxiety and not the med. The Xanax helps me sleep and calms me when I start getting hysterical. I really hope Luvox works!

mochi*
06-03-2007, 04:06 AM
I m not on any meds, havenlt been for years...
it seems apparent that I need to now, I feel like I am loosing control.
I finally got out of bed today, after being in it for 14 hours, then took a bath for a long time before FINALLY leaving the house...
Then I felt anxious and crazy almost the whole night- I can;t tell if I am actually having a break down, or if I am just obsessing and paniking because I'm obsessing so much, plus the depressed mood doesn;t help...
Like you said- what to deal with first???
I feel like I',m loosing it though...
I had a few drinks to calm down, which worked, but I still felt really detached form everthing , it is creepy, and dark thoughts were racing, though I could ignore them more easily, rather then totally obsess.
Do I even have OCD?? Or is this something more severe?
I was on paxil twice, the first time I liked it ok, and the second time I HATED it, and had a complete panic attack on it....
So, I stopped taking it and havenlt taken anything since, except occasionally trazadone the doc gave me for I cannot sleep (which I don;lt really like)
and xanax (whixh i like too much) for actue panic attacks-- which seem constant lately.
Also, what I am finding hard to cope with, besideds how painful this is--- is the despair and hopelessness I feel when i think about the future-- how lonely life will be if i;m always feeling this way-- or even if I;m only soemtjes this way, will I ever find someone who can put up with my craziness???
I am a good person withot all this, but it is really ruining things lately!!!
I can;t focus, I feel a sense of dread constantly, I feel alone, and I feel paniked and confused.
So, when I go to the doc, wat;s a good option Luvoxx???
What do you you suggest for intrusive thoughts/depression and panic?
Am i totally nuts, or has anyone;s OCD gotten so bad that they could hardly feel sane?

lithenblithe
06-03-2007, 01:12 PM
My ocd has gotten so bad that I have felt completely unlike a human - nothing more than an empty shell. It is a difficult cycle with the obsession, anxiety and depression - all can feed off one another.
I hope you can find a medication that works for you. Do you see a psychiatrist, or your GP? Have you ever talked to a therapist? Sometimes, just talking to someone can relieve some of the weight of all your fears. It is so hard when it seems you are taking on all of this alone, and letting someone else in on your pain can be very relieving. Medication has been very tricky for me, and the first few weeks of a new medication can be an especially trying time. I just think it's so important to talk!
I will be keeping you in my thoughts, and I hope you'll keep us updated on how you're doing. You will get through this!

mochi*
06-03-2007, 04:05 PM
Thanks so much guys!!!!
It really helps to egt some support- I ahven't been able to talk to anyone I know about this, and yesterday, after forcing myself to leave the house, I felt entirly panicked and confused the whole time I was with my friends, I could hardly sit still.
It's hard to have to act normal with this, you feel like you're going crazy yet, I can hide it well....
Anyways, Iam making plans to go to the doc. soon. I HAVE to!!! I'm afriad at this rate, I might not make it long.
But it's funny, cause sometimes, just when it's at it's worst, the thoughts clear, and I feel better again.
We'll see.
I feel slightly better today, I supppose, though I did sleep for a LONG time again.
I also just got my period, which I wonder if it partially triggereed the intensity of this episode.Whatever it is, part of me is worried it's more than OCD and panic and depression.
I mean, I know OCD well, I've had it since I was 15, but I really feel like I started to loose comtrol-- my thoights were racing so much, even when I'd wake up in the mornong, and they were so disjointed and irrational, but I couldn;t stop thinking them-- thoughts about being human, why are we here, ect...
they were sorta existential, you know???
I've suffered this a few times before, but never this intensly.
It is VERY frightening.
I guess I'm wondering if those sort of thoughts still count as OCD, they were definityl unwelcomed but they came faster, and in more variety than a regular OCD though, and instead of having complusions, I just felt like hiding under the covers because I couldn;t stop thinking them...
so, is this possible OCD side effect, or have I got sometyhing else too.
I really felt like I was loosing my mind.
Is this just panic combined wit OCD and depression, or is it something more scary?
Sorry to be so intense, I just know I need to reach out, adn I didn;t know where to go....
thanks again for listening!!!:
dizzy:

ChanceFL
06-03-2007, 05:20 PM
Mochi, you are reminding me a lot of myself right now. It's OCD. I constantly obsess over why are we here, etc and then that turns into panic and then that turns into depression. Today I woke up and I thought maybe it was a miracle because I actually wasn't obsessing, but then I noticed I wasn't feeling anything either, so I started to panic that the Luvox made me not be able to feel. I really felt like if my dog ran out into the road and was killed that I wouldn't feel anything. But then I went to a museum with my husband and while I was there I started getting my familiar obsession where I doubt everything and I obsess that I'm not having a good time and that I am not really there and that I will never not be aware of this feeling. And that just escalates into panic and more depression. Wow, I really hate this. I want so much to just be normal. And now my new obsession is that I was never normal and my whole life has been a series of fantasies and obsessions.

No one can possibly understand unless they are going through it. My husband kept looking at me today and asking if I was okay, and I tried to explain it to him a few times, but I can't even put it into words what I'm feeling. Does anyone else have that problem? It's like you obsess over a feeling, but when you try to explain it, there is no possible way and you don't even really know what it is your obsessing over? You just feel it?

seaturtle
06-03-2007, 07:17 PM
Hi,
Not sure what to say except that I know exactly what you guys are describing. The obsessing about existence, why are we here..that is OCD.
And hte obsessing, to explain it? Yikes, I don't think civilians can understand it. \We don't think rationally, we get carried away, and so much of the discomfort is the dratted repetition of the thoughts.
Sometimes it can help me if I catch myself trying to figure out something for the fiftieth time, and telling myself "Hey, you've been through that one before...it's an obsession, not a reality." If I can manage to recognize symptoms, then I can say OK, it's the disorder,and not me, and I am not in reality right now.
A therapist had a suggestion that sometimes works: she said get into the here-and-now. Simply stop and focus on whatever is around you, what you see, smell, hear...and be in the present. That can ground me sometimes.
Then there are the other times, lol.

Thankful for this board and the understanding here. I hope you feel better.
Oh, by the way, yes, it does come in spikes and then eases up, only to spike again.

mochi*
06-04-2007, 03:24 AM
ahhhh!!!!!!
At least it's nice to know, though I would not wish this madness on ANYONE!!!- that I am not the only one dealing wioth this junk!
I feel dizzy with all the questions spinning around in my head.
The doubt a;lone is going to send me to the madhouse, I try to tell myself it's OCD- but then I have a doubt for that too--
doubt---
ahhhhhh!!!!!
It's infuriating.
I am used to having violent intrusive thoughts (also very scary) but I can fight those off enough, these existential thoughts are nearly impossible to deal with though, and are literally maiing me sick,
I am mentally and physicaly exhausted and I am naseaus and feel panicked all the time, even disoriented.
This isn;t the first timemI've had these thoughts, but it;s been so long I forgot hpw awful they were. I am tiered of fightig woith my mind constantly...
Is there any drug that ca help?
Shpuld I juts go to the hospital, if the OCD doesn;t get me , depression will...
This disorder is absurd and terrifying.

ChanceFL
06-04-2007, 03:37 AM
If you are feeling really bad then go to the ER. That's what my doctor told me. My problem is that I don't have insurance so I'm always afraid that they will lock me up in a state hospital and that's even scarier than my thoughts. But if you do go, they can give you something for the anxiety. Have you made an appointment with a doctor yet? I'm on my second day of Luvox and I feel that my thoughts are worse today. By the way, do you feel that your obsessions change on a daily basis, or that one grows out of another? I don't stay on anything for long.

mochi*
06-04-2007, 04:23 AM
yea,
they change quickly= sort of loosely based on the same obsession though-- if that makes sense, differrent thought- same fear, you know?
I talked to a good, trusted friend of mine for an hour today, cried my eyes out but felt better temporarily.
I think more than anything, I'm just sick from all the stress it;s causing me.
I'm afraid of going to the hospital, for fear of being locked up too...
But I will go if it gets bad enough, though I have come out of this on my own before, it just sucks to suffer in the meantime.
And, of course, being OCD- I am afraid of loosing it completly.
Ha! I'm so ridiculous!!
I am going to the doc asap, hopefully in the next few days!
Thanks for all the advice guys!

myfairlady90
06-04-2007, 10:31 PM
I think it is just panic in combination with the OCD. You are not going crazy. I remember feeling things that intense when I was as young as 11 years old -- lots of crazy inexplicable thoughts (very existential... one time I remember worrying about how weird things like what if I had been created as something other than a human and how that would feel... to someone without OCD or anxiety that just sounds stupid but if you've had weird existential worries you know that even things like that can drive you crazy)... yes, it must be a combination of things, and you are not the only one feeling them.

Keep hanging on. You'll get out of this mess.

mochi*
06-05-2007, 03:28 AM
thanks all,
I had a slightly better day today,
went and got a massage, and that realyl helped for a while, than I got stressed about about something in my personal life (i have to see an ex-boyfriend this week) and I paniked again.
Arrrr...
At least I can feel sort of rational about it now, about all the worries, but they still bother me, it;s just so draining to be obsessing and worried, all the time.

But, yea, it wil go away with time...

What meds do you guys suggest?
I love xanax, but my doc won;t give it to me, bbecuse it;s so addictive.

I trieed paxil and hated it, any other rec's?

Post-It
06-05-2007, 11:41 AM
Today I woke up and I thought maybe it was a miracle because I actually wasn't obsessing, but then I noticed I wasn't feeling anything either, so I started to panic that the Luvox made me not be able to feel. I really felt like if my dog ran out into the road and was killed that I wouldn't feel anything. But then I went to a museum with my husband and while I was there I started getting my familiar obsession where I doubt everything and I obsess that I'm not having a good time and that I am not really there and that I will never not be aware of this feeling. And that just escalates into panic and more depression. Wow, I really hate this. I want so much to just be normal. And now my new obsession is that I was never normal and my whole life has been a series of fantasies and obsessions.


I had that exact same experience with Luvox! I really felt like my husband could die or I could lose my job and I just wouldn't care about anything. It scared me so bad that I stopped taking the Luvox. I don't know if that is normal of meds but it really got to me. I figured I would rather feel the highs and lows than not anything. I'm not sure if it passes...unfortunately I wasn't on it long enough to get through. But if you have good results, let me know. I also felt my obsessions started to wane at 100mg but instead I just felt like an empty shell.

MissyS
06-05-2007, 06:36 PM
Okay, so I just posted this HUGE message and then accidentally did something STUPID that cleared the screen! Aahh... my ramblings are now somewhere out there in cyber space. SO, here's the truncated version (which some of you should probably be thankful for).:) I've been where many of you are. So upset/ panicked/ confused/ drained that I haven't wanted to get out of bed. I've even landed myself in the hospital. Fortunately I've had a pretty good year. No major episodes, a couple minor anxiety bouts. I too have to deal with the bully that is pure o. Fear of harming those I love, fears of being "crazy"... you all know the drill. And I worked HARD to get out of that spot. And you know what the crappy thing is???? I'm on the verge of an ocd spike right now!

I haven't been taking very good care of myself- little sleep (a teething 6 month old daughter), lots of caffeine, horrible eating habits, little exercise, i haven't been journaling, and not being great with my meds... WHY? ugh. It's the old "I'm feeling great, so I'm not so careful" thing. So, I'm hoping to nip this next episode in the bud. Some things that work for me that will maybe help you? Eat well, get out in the sun (even a 10 minute walk), journaling, see Ms./Mr. therapist, get enough sleep, share those icky feelings (even on here!), say adios to caffeine, meditate. All the stuff I should have kept doing while I was feeling good, and I didn't do them. I'm going to get back to it (look, I've motivated myself!) and hopefully you guys will start feeling better, doing whatever you have to do! Lots of luck. You are not alone, and it does get better.
Missy

seaturtle
06-05-2007, 08:07 PM
I've been on Luvox for a short time now. At 75, I was better re intrusive thoughts, but at 100 the improvement was really amazing.
However, at 100 I am just tired, sometimes too tired to care much. I didn't find that I was emotionally flat; if anything, the lack of anxiety made it easier for me to feel real emotions instead of constant anxiety.
But I feel best at 75 mg. You might consider lowering the dosage and seeing how you feel. I also take Lamictal, which helps, too.

mochi*
06-05-2007, 11:30 PM
thanks, has anyone that had a bad expericne on paxil had luck with something else-- I am trying to find something new.
Wow, to relax would be amazing!

ChanceFL
06-05-2007, 11:55 PM
I had a bad experience with Paxil and I'm now trying Luvox. I'm on day 4. I'll keep you posted whether or not it works.

MissyS
06-06-2007, 12:05 PM
And I forgot the point of my message :) I'm on 200 mg of zoloft and clonopin 2x a day. But I what has worked best for me is a change in my attitude and a complete lifestyle change- with the help of a wonderful therapist. (the stuff I mentioned in my previous post). When I was at my worst (about a year ago), I made a decision. I could lay there and let it (the ocd) take over or decide to fight it. Remember the OCD is not you. I had to accept that fact. The ocd is NOT ME. It is not who I am, it is not in my soul. Instead, I chose to look at OCD as a bully. A horrible, awful bully who has invaded my brain and is attacking my weakest, most vulnerable areas of my life. So I made a choice to fight it. To change my lifestyle. To fight the bully. But when I felt good, I got complacent. And the bully came back. So now, the fight is on. I refuse to let the bully win. I want my life to be at its best. This is what works for me. Maybe it will work for you, when you are at your toughest moments. God bless and fight the bully! :blob_fire





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