NVD
06-14-2007, 06:01 PM
As mentioned in my first post, I am supposed to start EMDR therapy at my next psych appointment.
I've heard that EMDR is great with PTSD symptoms, although it's a very hard treatment. But I'm wondering, is it still as effective, when the very thing that has caused the PTSD is also in the present situation?
Any info on this therapy would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Amber
I've heard that EMDR is great with PTSD symptoms, although it's a very hard treatment. But I'm wondering, is it still as effective, when the very thing that has caused the PTSD is also in the present situation?
Any info on this therapy would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Amber
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beka6
06-15-2007, 02:58 PM
Hi Amber,
I'm currently doing EMDR, but I'm working on more past traumas that present situations. I'm not sure how it works when you are still around the initial causes of the PTSD. What does your therapist say about it?
Beka
I'm currently doing EMDR, but I'm working on more past traumas that present situations. I'm not sure how it works when you are still around the initial causes of the PTSD. What does your therapist say about it?
Beka
NVD
06-21-2007, 05:07 PM
Hi Beka, sorry for the delay in responding. It's been a hell of a week. I'm currently under the 24 hour care of a different psychiatrist, in the hospital, due to some crazy situations that have been going on. It's been hell, to put it nicely.
This new psychiatrist hasn't said anything about doing any type of EMDR, but has been doing partial "sedation" hypnotherapy type sessions. It's really getting old, and I hate the way I feel afterwards. My body is on overdrive, so it struggles with the meds. But if I cry, even a single tear, she's there within minutes. If I don't talk about it, it's back to the sedation. She says that things need to keep being processed, and dealt with, but yet, won't give me the time of day to begin processing anything on my own.
Have you ever had this type of therapy? Does it eventually work? I don't feel it's doing anything for me, except adding to the frustration of not being able to cope.
Amber
This new psychiatrist hasn't said anything about doing any type of EMDR, but has been doing partial "sedation" hypnotherapy type sessions. It's really getting old, and I hate the way I feel afterwards. My body is on overdrive, so it struggles with the meds. But if I cry, even a single tear, she's there within minutes. If I don't talk about it, it's back to the sedation. She says that things need to keep being processed, and dealt with, but yet, won't give me the time of day to begin processing anything on my own.
Have you ever had this type of therapy? Does it eventually work? I don't feel it's doing anything for me, except adding to the frustration of not being able to cope.
Amber
isitme
06-21-2007, 05:20 PM
Sorry to hear all you've been through.
emdr - I've been offered it! I also fail to see how it can solve present problems a person has, intermittent at that!. I am 100% my present problem does not pertain to the past. Still lost...................but we muddle along
emdr - I've been offered it! I also fail to see how it can solve present problems a person has, intermittent at that!. I am 100% my present problem does not pertain to the past. Still lost...................but we muddle along
stick2013
06-21-2007, 06:18 PM
Hi Amber,
I am so glad that YOU are REACHING out. Good job hon... I knew that you were a survivor.....As far as your shrink... TELL HER how you feel about her treatment. Ask her to teach you coping skills along with the therapy. If she say NO, then DEMAND another therapist. YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT!!!!!
Again, after what you have been through, I congratulate you for reaching out. Your doing great......
HUGS!!!!!!!!
Sid
I am so glad that YOU are REACHING out. Good job hon... I knew that you were a survivor.....As far as your shrink... TELL HER how you feel about her treatment. Ask her to teach you coping skills along with the therapy. If she say NO, then DEMAND another therapist. YOU HAVE THAT RIGHT!!!!!
Again, after what you have been through, I congratulate you for reaching out. Your doing great......
HUGS!!!!!!!!
Sid
NVD
06-21-2007, 06:31 PM
Thanks Sid. This reaching out stuff is hard. It's hard not being able to cope, and it's hard relying on others so much for any kind of emotional stability, you know what I mean? I've never been one to "have" reach out, so this is really a learning process for me. But I know that I can't do. I can't do it alone anymore. It's gone so far beyond my own capabilities and my own power anymore. Yesterday when you posted, and told me to reach out, to ask for help, and to start living again, I have to say, at first it pissed me off. But when I got mad, that's when I was able to "talk" so to speak, so your post ended up helping afterall.
Amber
Amber
stick2013
06-21-2007, 06:47 PM
Amber,
I knew that you would get PISSED... That was my intent all along. Sometimes anger can have a positive affect too... I am so glad that it worked. Someone needed to do something to snap you out of it. I think the kindness was kind of suffocating you a little too much too.
Amber, you are strong hon. What you have gone through and are here posting, tells me a lot about YOU and your convictions......
I will be here if you need me.
I am SO GLAD that you are reaching girl.....Now reach for the stars, because if anyone deserves them......It's YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugs,
Sid
I knew that you would get PISSED... That was my intent all along. Sometimes anger can have a positive affect too... I am so glad that it worked. Someone needed to do something to snap you out of it. I think the kindness was kind of suffocating you a little too much too.
Amber, you are strong hon. What you have gone through and are here posting, tells me a lot about YOU and your convictions......
I will be here if you need me.
I am SO GLAD that you are reaching girl.....Now reach for the stars, because if anyone deserves them......It's YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hugs,
Sid
NVD
06-21-2007, 06:57 PM
Sid, right now, at this very moment, I really don't feel strong. Everyone keeps telling me how strong I am to have come through this and everything else, but I just don't feel it. I'm really struggling, Sid. Struggling more than I think I ever have. And as much as I appreciate everyone telling me how strong I am, I don't feel that I can live up to that title. I don't feel that I should be given that title, because I am so far from being strong right now. It's going to be a long, hard road to travel, and I don't know how to make it down that road.
Whew...you, probably weren't ready for this, sorry. Thanks for being there though, Sid.
Amber
Whew...you, probably weren't ready for this, sorry. Thanks for being there though, Sid.
Amber
stick2013
06-21-2007, 07:09 PM
Amber....
I'm as ready as I can be......I know that you feel weak right now. I know that you would just like to curl up in bed for the rest of your life, and tell everyone to just GO AWAY, LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!! I know that you feel dirty. I know that you feel used. I know that you are wondering how you will ever be able to be a wife to your husband. I know that you are wondering how you will look at your kids again. I know that you are wondering if Ken will every want you as his wife, and feel like he did before this happened.
There are a thousand questions running through your head and you don't have the answers for ANY of them.....It's OK... Right now, you don't need them... It's ONE day at a time. Now it's time for Amber......You need to heal. You need help. You need rest. You need support. You need love. Concentrate on YOU!!!!!!!! For the first time in your life, concentrate on YOU!!!!!!!!
You will make the journey, down that road like this...One step at a time.....Everyone here, and on the depression board will help....Ok?????
Do you think you can handle it with tons of help????
Hang in there,
Sid
I'm as ready as I can be......I know that you feel weak right now. I know that you would just like to curl up in bed for the rest of your life, and tell everyone to just GO AWAY, LEAVE ME ALONE!!!!!! I know that you feel dirty. I know that you feel used. I know that you are wondering how you will ever be able to be a wife to your husband. I know that you are wondering how you will look at your kids again. I know that you are wondering if Ken will every want you as his wife, and feel like he did before this happened.
There are a thousand questions running through your head and you don't have the answers for ANY of them.....It's OK... Right now, you don't need them... It's ONE day at a time. Now it's time for Amber......You need to heal. You need help. You need rest. You need support. You need love. Concentrate on YOU!!!!!!!! For the first time in your life, concentrate on YOU!!!!!!!!
You will make the journey, down that road like this...One step at a time.....Everyone here, and on the depression board will help....Ok?????
Do you think you can handle it with tons of help????
Hang in there,
Sid
Sannah
06-22-2007, 11:51 AM
This reaching out stuff is hard. and it's hard relying on others so much for any kind of emotional stability. I've never been one to "have" reach out, so this is really a learning process for me.
Amber, I remember not wanting to depend on anyone, being an island, and refusing to ask for help. With me it was about trust. I couldn't trust anyone to get close and not screw up my life (I think that weak boundaries had a lot to do with it/not being able to protect myself.)
Amber, I remember not wanting to depend on anyone, being an island, and refusing to ask for help. With me it was about trust. I couldn't trust anyone to get close and not screw up my life (I think that weak boundaries had a lot to do with it/not being able to protect myself.)
Sannah
06-22-2007, 11:52 AM
I knew that you would get PISSED... That was my intent all along. Sometimes anger can have a positive affect too... I am so glad that it worked. Someone needed to do something to snap you out of it.
I think the kindness was kind of suffocating you a little too much too.
Sid, you are good!
I think the kindness was kind of suffocating you a little too much too.
Sid, you are good!
stick2013
06-22-2007, 03:31 PM
Sannah,
I'm not trying to be good, just effective, and helpful. Amber needs so much right now, and I just feel that she isn't getting what she needs. I know she has a hard time saying what she needs, as all victims do. We are kind of programmed to not take care of us.
Somewhere deep within us, we feel that if we are a good person, a good wife, a good parent, a good friend.....nothing bad will happen to us again. So we strive to be that Perfect Person and lose us in the mean time. We become so invisible that we allow people to step all over us again, and again, only to WORK harder to be MORE perfect. Vicious cycle......
I think this is where Amber has been for a long time, and asking for help is like cutting off her arm or leg. It hurts right now.....
This is where she needs to learn to be a little selfish right now, and start standing up for her own needs. I'm not talking about being a B****, but being assertive, and clearly stating what she wants, needs, and doesn't......It's the TAKE TIME FOR AMBER............
Sid
I'm not trying to be good, just effective, and helpful. Amber needs so much right now, and I just feel that she isn't getting what she needs. I know she has a hard time saying what she needs, as all victims do. We are kind of programmed to not take care of us.
Somewhere deep within us, we feel that if we are a good person, a good wife, a good parent, a good friend.....nothing bad will happen to us again. So we strive to be that Perfect Person and lose us in the mean time. We become so invisible that we allow people to step all over us again, and again, only to WORK harder to be MORE perfect. Vicious cycle......
I think this is where Amber has been for a long time, and asking for help is like cutting off her arm or leg. It hurts right now.....
This is where she needs to learn to be a little selfish right now, and start standing up for her own needs. I'm not talking about being a B****, but being assertive, and clearly stating what she wants, needs, and doesn't......It's the TAKE TIME FOR AMBER............
Sid
Sannah
06-23-2007, 09:37 AM
I'm not trying to be good, just effective, and helpful.
Well, you are good at being effective and helpful and it was your "good" insight that did this....
Well, you are good at being effective and helpful and it was your "good" insight that did this....
emily43
07-12-2007, 02:33 PM
As mentioned in my first post, I am supposed to start EMDR therapy at my next psych appointment.
I've heard that EMDR is great with PTSD symptoms, although it's a very hard treatment. But I'm wondering, is it still as effective, when the very thing that has caused the PTSD is also in the present situation?
Any info on this therapy would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Amber
Hi Amber,
My name is Emily, I tried Emdr, it worked with the real traumatic events for me, although it is a little uncomfortable, but does seem to work, and I do think it would work with your present situation.
Emily
I've heard that EMDR is great with PTSD symptoms, although it's a very hard treatment. But I'm wondering, is it still as effective, when the very thing that has caused the PTSD is also in the present situation?
Any info on this therapy would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Amber
Hi Amber,
My name is Emily, I tried Emdr, it worked with the real traumatic events for me, although it is a little uncomfortable, but does seem to work, and I do think it would work with your present situation.
Emily
NVD
07-12-2007, 04:47 PM
Thanks Emily, still haven't made it that far to try the EMDR. Have only been doing partially sedated therapy sessions, and of course, talk therapy. I'm glad you found it effective for you.
Amber
Amber
Lost-in-Time
07-12-2007, 11:35 PM
What is EMdr? Could you give me a quick idea of what it is?
NVD
07-13-2007, 12:15 AM
What is EMdr? Could you give me a quick idea of what it is?
It stands for Eye Movement Desensitization and reprocessing. Basically a type of therapy that "almost" makes you relive the traumatic event, and instead of your brain "freezing" in that moment, it helps it reprocess it in a more healthy way. (This is only what I've been told)
It stands for Eye Movement Desensitization and reprocessing. Basically a type of therapy that "almost" makes you relive the traumatic event, and instead of your brain "freezing" in that moment, it helps it reprocess it in a more healthy way. (This is only what I've been told)
emily43
07-13-2007, 02:37 PM
Amber,
I'm soooo sorry for everything you've been thru, as I stated earlier I had my last psych appt. yesterday, so I asked my shrink to explain emdr to me one more time ,so I could maybe help you. She said it basically wakes up both sides of the brain, and changes the way it processes the event that your working on. It desensitizes the event, as you go thru it over and over, explaing how you felt during the event (I had 5 sessions on one event where a gun incident happened in my life) & at first I thought this isn't working , I see now that it did, because I can now talk about it without getting as upset. And I can put it away in my mind and get on with my day, Although I'm still dealing with soooo much pain and anger, my brain works more with me than against me now (if that makes any sense) Hope this helps you, and please take care of yourself!
Hugs
Emily
I'm soooo sorry for everything you've been thru, as I stated earlier I had my last psych appt. yesterday, so I asked my shrink to explain emdr to me one more time ,so I could maybe help you. She said it basically wakes up both sides of the brain, and changes the way it processes the event that your working on. It desensitizes the event, as you go thru it over and over, explaing how you felt during the event (I had 5 sessions on one event where a gun incident happened in my life) & at first I thought this isn't working , I see now that it did, because I can now talk about it without getting as upset. And I can put it away in my mind and get on with my day, Although I'm still dealing with soooo much pain and anger, my brain works more with me than against me now (if that makes any sense) Hope this helps you, and please take care of yourself!
Hugs
Emily
NVD
07-13-2007, 04:54 PM
Thank you so much Emily.
Before I was admitted into the hospital, my therapist wanted to do the EMDR. Then all this happened, and I'm in the hospital with a new therapist, and she's never mentioned doing the EMDR.
This one prefers to do the partially sedated sessions...which I'm not sure if they work or not for the long term.
Thanks again, Emily.
Amber
Before I was admitted into the hospital, my therapist wanted to do the EMDR. Then all this happened, and I'm in the hospital with a new therapist, and she's never mentioned doing the EMDR.
This one prefers to do the partially sedated sessions...which I'm not sure if they work or not for the long term.
Thanks again, Emily.
Amber
NVD
07-13-2007, 04:57 PM
Ps. The way that it was described to me, is that when we experience something traumatic, that our brains kind of "freeze" in the moment. When it freezes, it's those frozen memories that remain with us. So, with using the EMDR, we relive the event as much as possible, but the treatment actually keeps our minds going...aware of the surroundings, etc. It makes good sense, but I've heard good and bad things about it.
Phoenix
07-15-2007, 02:58 PM
Ps. The way that it was described to me, is that when we experience something traumatic, that our brains kind of "freeze" in the moment. When it freezes, it's those frozen memories that remain with us. So, with using the EMDR, we relive the event as much as possible, but the treatment actually keeps our minds going...aware of the surroundings, etc. It makes good sense, but I've heard good and bad things about it.
I have heard that there is no significant proof that it is effective with phobias, panic disorder, and agoraphobia.
I just hope that all is well and remember that I am here if you need me to just listen or to respond.
No pressure.
Ryan
I have heard that there is no significant proof that it is effective with phobias, panic disorder, and agoraphobia.
I just hope that all is well and remember that I am here if you need me to just listen or to respond.
No pressure.
Ryan
emily43
07-16-2007, 12:51 PM
Thank you so much Emily.
Before I was admitted into the hospital, my therapist wanted to do the EMDR. Then all this happened, and I'm in the hospital with a new therapist, and she's never mentioned doing the EMDR.
This one prefers to do the partially sedated sessions...which I'm not sure if they work or not for the long term.
Thanks again, Emily.
Amber
Dear Amber,
Sorry it took me so long to get back, I hope it helped. I'm sooo sorry you have to be there in the hospital, Out any time soon?? I hope. Never tried partially sedated sessions, it was never offered. Funny how therapists offer different things, but I guess different things work for different people. Like I said, I didn't think emdr was working, found out later it did. When I first started therapy I was willing to try anything!! Just to stop the mind from racing!!! Well, you hang in there, and know that we're all pulling for you!!And I would also like to say Thank you to you for your friendship.
Take care
Em
Before I was admitted into the hospital, my therapist wanted to do the EMDR. Then all this happened, and I'm in the hospital with a new therapist, and she's never mentioned doing the EMDR.
This one prefers to do the partially sedated sessions...which I'm not sure if they work or not for the long term.
Thanks again, Emily.
Amber
Dear Amber,
Sorry it took me so long to get back, I hope it helped. I'm sooo sorry you have to be there in the hospital, Out any time soon?? I hope. Never tried partially sedated sessions, it was never offered. Funny how therapists offer different things, but I guess different things work for different people. Like I said, I didn't think emdr was working, found out later it did. When I first started therapy I was willing to try anything!! Just to stop the mind from racing!!! Well, you hang in there, and know that we're all pulling for you!!And I would also like to say Thank you to you for your friendship.
Take care
Em
NVD
07-16-2007, 05:33 PM
Dear Amber,
Sorry it took me so long to get back, I hope it helped. I'm sooo sorry you have to be there in the hospital, Out any time soon?? I hope. Never tried partially sedated sessions, it was never offered. Funny how therapists offer different things, but I guess different things work for different people. Like I said, I didn't think emdr was working, found out later it did. When I first started therapy I was willing to try anything!! Just to stop the mind from racing!!! Well, you hang in there, and know that we're all pulling for you!!And I would also like to say Thank you to you for your friendship.
Take care
Em
Hi Emily,
Discharge has been mentioned quite a few times, but then we run into another set back, and it just pushes the date further out. So, I continue to chug along, trying to take each moment as it comes. Some days are much harder than others, but I guess that's to be expected, right??
Glad to hear that you're doing well...take care,
Amber
Sorry it took me so long to get back, I hope it helped. I'm sooo sorry you have to be there in the hospital, Out any time soon?? I hope. Never tried partially sedated sessions, it was never offered. Funny how therapists offer different things, but I guess different things work for different people. Like I said, I didn't think emdr was working, found out later it did. When I first started therapy I was willing to try anything!! Just to stop the mind from racing!!! Well, you hang in there, and know that we're all pulling for you!!And I would also like to say Thank you to you for your friendship.
Take care
Em
Hi Emily,
Discharge has been mentioned quite a few times, but then we run into another set back, and it just pushes the date further out. So, I continue to chug along, trying to take each moment as it comes. Some days are much harder than others, but I guess that's to be expected, right??
Glad to hear that you're doing well...take care,
Amber
emily43
07-16-2007, 06:36 PM
Hi Emily,
Discharge has been mentioned quite a few times, but then we run into another set back, and it just pushes the date further out. So, I continue to chug along, trying to take each moment as it comes. Some days are much harder than others, but I guess that's to be expected, right??
Glad to hear that you're doing well...take care,
Amber
Amber,
Hang in there! Hopefully it will be very soon! Yes, I think we all have good and bad days. Some harder than others, and I don't think people quite understand how this THING we have can be soooo debilitating!
Well, hang tough!
Take care,
Em
Discharge has been mentioned quite a few times, but then we run into another set back, and it just pushes the date further out. So, I continue to chug along, trying to take each moment as it comes. Some days are much harder than others, but I guess that's to be expected, right??
Glad to hear that you're doing well...take care,
Amber
Amber,
Hang in there! Hopefully it will be very soon! Yes, I think we all have good and bad days. Some harder than others, and I don't think people quite understand how this THING we have can be soooo debilitating!
Well, hang tough!
Take care,
Em
JACKFLASH
07-18-2007, 02:20 AM
I've tryed EMDR. It was hard. Like reliving the exspirience. I'm not sure how much good it did but I only did it twice. I fell into a really bad depression afterwards so I think my T is afraid to try again until I am feeling better.
Jack
Jack
isitme
07-18-2007, 05:24 AM
I've tryed EMDR. It was hard. Like reliving the exspirience. I'm not sure how much good it did but I only did it twice. I fell into a really bad depression afterwards so I think my T is afraid to try again until I am feeling better.
Jack
I would say it is normal to feel more depressed after facing up to the past, but then, given time, you brain accepts what has happened and therefore slowly but surely, you are improving overall. Anyones brain can only cope with so , so it is a good idea, even with boards, to read a bit, post a bit, then have a break. Next time you return, the brain is refreshed and a little more healed.
Jack
I would say it is normal to feel more depressed after facing up to the past, but then, given time, you brain accepts what has happened and therefore slowly but surely, you are improving overall. Anyones brain can only cope with so , so it is a good idea, even with boards, to read a bit, post a bit, then have a break. Next time you return, the brain is refreshed and a little more healed.