lexusdog
08-10-2007, 02:27 AM
OK I have been on pain meds for about 2 years and just recently I am starting to get irritated so very easy. I am currently on Duragesic 50 mcg every two days and percocet 10/325 for break through. I take about 4 - 6 Percs a day. I know a little more that you would think for break through, but I actually need to up the duragesic. I have been putting it off as to not top out to quickly.
The big problem is that in the last year I have been very irritated by the simple things. I hate talking to people about simple things. I get irritated by small things not going right (i.e. tossing my keys on the table and they land on the floor) I also am just getting edgy and miserable. I don't know if it is the pain or the meds or both. People are starting to tell me that I am a little short with them. My life partner even has mentioned that I need to loosen up. I am a very bubbly person by nature, but lately I just get bugged by everything small or big in nature. I want everyone to be perfect and stress about little things. I though about asking the doc for anti-depressants, but I don't feel depressed. I am feel very good in the sense of looking forward to things, going to dinner, getting a car or anything else. I just want something that makes me feel a little more laid back. You know when some one drinks like a glass of wine and they are just relaxed. I want to just relax and stop being so irritated by everything.
DO you know if there is something for this. Why I am feeling like this, and if there is a anti -depressant needed for something like this? I want to be fun, bubbly and a joy to have around. Right now everyone is kind of annoying.
The big problem is that in the last year I have been very irritated by the simple things. I hate talking to people about simple things. I get irritated by small things not going right (i.e. tossing my keys on the table and they land on the floor) I also am just getting edgy and miserable. I don't know if it is the pain or the meds or both. People are starting to tell me that I am a little short with them. My life partner even has mentioned that I need to loosen up. I am a very bubbly person by nature, but lately I just get bugged by everything small or big in nature. I want everyone to be perfect and stress about little things. I though about asking the doc for anti-depressants, but I don't feel depressed. I am feel very good in the sense of looking forward to things, going to dinner, getting a car or anything else. I just want something that makes me feel a little more laid back. You know when some one drinks like a glass of wine and they are just relaxed. I want to just relax and stop being so irritated by everything.
DO you know if there is something for this. Why I am feeling like this, and if there is a anti -depressant needed for something like this? I want to be fun, bubbly and a joy to have around. Right now everyone is kind of annoying.
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Fabrashamx
08-10-2007, 03:28 AM
Hi Lex,
I think your instincts about anti depressants are right on the money.
I had the same reaction when I first went on pain meds, and after I started taking prozac everyday, I got better and was back to my cheerful self again.
Its weird, because flashes of anger and frusteration dont seem like depression per se, but they must be from that (the meds themselves are depressants, so if you already have it, the meds make it much worse)
Give it a try for a few weeks, if it doesnt help, you havent hurt anything by trying, and there are next to no side effects with the newer type anti depressants.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
~Fabby:wave:
I think your instincts about anti depressants are right on the money.
I had the same reaction when I first went on pain meds, and after I started taking prozac everyday, I got better and was back to my cheerful self again.
Its weird, because flashes of anger and frusteration dont seem like depression per se, but they must be from that (the meds themselves are depressants, so if you already have it, the meds make it much worse)
Give it a try for a few weeks, if it doesnt help, you havent hurt anything by trying, and there are next to no side effects with the newer type anti depressants.
Good luck and let us know what you decide.
~Fabby:wave:
BrittleBones
08-10-2007, 07:49 AM
Hi Lex - I was once told by a doctor that depression is anger turned inward! When I thought about it, I think he was right. But, aside from the chance that you are feeling depressed, I have to say that your description of your impatience and aggravation toward people and things that never seemed to upset you in the past is an exact description of me when I was on Percocet for the first 6 months. That was years and years ago and now I take oxycodone (Percocet without the tylenol) and I don't seem to have the same reaction. But I've been where you are and I definately think the drugs can cause your symptoms. I was on a drug for headaches many years ago called Fioracet. While taking that drug I could have been described as a witch! Everything in the world got on my nerves, I was angry and hostile toward folks. I had no time or patience for my friends who just wanted to call me up and chat for a few minutes. It was really awful. Once I stopped taking it, however, I was back to my old self. I still think that Fabby is right though, you should talk to your doc about your symptoms and see if you are clinically depressed. Perhaps you will need to change your pain medication. Anyway, I hope you get some answers soon. All the best - Memere (Memere :cool: waves at Fabby and would like to remind her that I've changed my "screen name" by request of moderators and hopes she and all my friends remember who I am:D - Kathy)
lostmary
08-10-2007, 08:58 AM
Lex,
You could be writing about me. I had the same thing. pain meds for almost 4 years, percocet, etc. 3 months ago I told my PM that I was afraid to be in the kitchen because they had knives in there. Of course, it wasn't quite that bad, but poor hubby stopped talking to me because I became horrible for no reason. Doc put me on cymbalta, and now I'm so even tempered. Even if I start to get upset, it doesn't really bother me. I feel so good about myself, and i'm so much happier. At first it did make me a little sleepy, but about about 2 weeks I don't even notice it. Just life is better, and it helps my rsd also.
Mary
:angel:
You could be writing about me. I had the same thing. pain meds for almost 4 years, percocet, etc. 3 months ago I told my PM that I was afraid to be in the kitchen because they had knives in there. Of course, it wasn't quite that bad, but poor hubby stopped talking to me because I became horrible for no reason. Doc put me on cymbalta, and now I'm so even tempered. Even if I start to get upset, it doesn't really bother me. I feel so good about myself, and i'm so much happier. At first it did make me a little sleepy, but about about 2 weeks I don't even notice it. Just life is better, and it helps my rsd also.
Mary
:angel:
sherry1
08-10-2007, 09:54 AM
Hi Lex
I have my back problem for the last 2 years and about 6 months ago i was so irritable and was snapping at people and generally was getting so frustrated with myself and also getting very upset for no reason.
My doctor put me on Prozac which is an aniti depressent and i feel so much better in myself. I havent had any of the same feelings since.
Best wishes
I have my back problem for the last 2 years and about 6 months ago i was so irritable and was snapping at people and generally was getting so frustrated with myself and also getting very upset for no reason.
My doctor put me on Prozac which is an aniti depressent and i feel so much better in myself. I havent had any of the same feelings since.
Best wishes
csx333
08-10-2007, 05:38 PM
I agree that the effects of antidepressents may be causing the anger you experience. The fact that you have been dealing with pain for two years should not be disregarded. I have been in pain for so long, by the end of the day I am completely worn out and irritable, even though I am on a pain drug regimen. Some days it works, most days it doesn't. I think all of us chronic pain sufferers continue to seek answers. God Bless, keep looking.
mindmltn
08-10-2007, 05:52 PM
I feel exactly the same as you guys.
I just went to see the shrink yesterday and her and my pain Doctor decided to put me back on Noritriptiline.
It is supposed to help with the sciatica and nerve pain in my legs and help me sleep at night.
I have been getting 3 hours of sleep a night and after 4 months of this it is starting to wear me down.
I am starting on the Noritriptiline tonight and will let you all know how it goes.
It is also supposed to help as an antidepressant.
I should have some feedback on the Noritriptiline soon and will let you all know how they work.
If they work for me then they may help you out.
Have a great weekend and I will see you all on Monday.
Mind
I just went to see the shrink yesterday and her and my pain Doctor decided to put me back on Noritriptiline.
It is supposed to help with the sciatica and nerve pain in my legs and help me sleep at night.
I have been getting 3 hours of sleep a night and after 4 months of this it is starting to wear me down.
I am starting on the Noritriptiline tonight and will let you all know how it goes.
It is also supposed to help as an antidepressant.
I should have some feedback on the Noritriptiline soon and will let you all know how they work.
If they work for me then they may help you out.
Have a great weekend and I will see you all on Monday.
Mind
Wren9
08-10-2007, 07:26 PM
I could have written the exact same post as Lex. Since I have been on Oxycontin (past year) I am so irritable. I can't stand myself. I am irritable, impatient, don't have time for my friends. Won't answer my phone because I'm in a bad mood and don't feel like talking to people, etc.
I attribute it to the uneven nature of Oxycontin -- up and down. I go up, have energy, almost manic, then it wears off, and I come down, have no energy, etc. I don't like either feeling.
I finally told my doctor about it. His first suggestion was switching to long-acting morphine. But I have tried that (Kadian) and had too many side effects.
Then he said there is a great med that will help you so much, and it "tempers" the edginess from the OC. And it helps with chronic pain. So he prescribed Cymbalta.
Well I took the first dose -- 30 mg -- and I was nauseated for 24 hours. It was so bad, I had to call into work. The doctor said the nausea goes away in a few days, but I had to stop taking it after that one dose, because I could not afford to miss work the following day. The nature of my work is very deadline-oriented.
To tell the truth, I have my reservations about adding ANOTHER med to the mix. One with so many potential side effects. But on the other hand, I have heard some excellent things about Cymbalta, and I am eager, to say the least, to feel myself again.
I was hoping the doctor would change my main pain med. I am thinking about either Duragesic or methadone. I was hoping they would work better since they are more consistent (Durgesic by design and methadone by its nature is very long acting).
Anyway, I see you, Lex, are on Duragesic and have the same problem so maybe that is not the answer for me either, unless it is the percocet (oxycodone) that is causing the problem for you (like it is for me with the Oxycontin formulation of oxycodone).
I can tell you that I have tried methadone before and I did NOT have this problem with it. Quite the opposite, I felt wonderful on methadone -- it even acted as an anti-depressant for me and was great for pain control as well. The only bad thing about it was it made me gain weight.
But the "mood" thing has become so bad that I want to go on methadone again. I guess I need to ask my pain doctor about it.
Can anyone tell me more about Cymbalta? Do the side effects go away?
My first dose gave me nausea, dizziness, "nodding" and urinary hesitancy. I think the combination of Cymbalta PLUS opiates could produce side effects that people who are only on Cymbalta don't have.
-Wren
I attribute it to the uneven nature of Oxycontin -- up and down. I go up, have energy, almost manic, then it wears off, and I come down, have no energy, etc. I don't like either feeling.
I finally told my doctor about it. His first suggestion was switching to long-acting morphine. But I have tried that (Kadian) and had too many side effects.
Then he said there is a great med that will help you so much, and it "tempers" the edginess from the OC. And it helps with chronic pain. So he prescribed Cymbalta.
Well I took the first dose -- 30 mg -- and I was nauseated for 24 hours. It was so bad, I had to call into work. The doctor said the nausea goes away in a few days, but I had to stop taking it after that one dose, because I could not afford to miss work the following day. The nature of my work is very deadline-oriented.
To tell the truth, I have my reservations about adding ANOTHER med to the mix. One with so many potential side effects. But on the other hand, I have heard some excellent things about Cymbalta, and I am eager, to say the least, to feel myself again.
I was hoping the doctor would change my main pain med. I am thinking about either Duragesic or methadone. I was hoping they would work better since they are more consistent (Durgesic by design and methadone by its nature is very long acting).
Anyway, I see you, Lex, are on Duragesic and have the same problem so maybe that is not the answer for me either, unless it is the percocet (oxycodone) that is causing the problem for you (like it is for me with the Oxycontin formulation of oxycodone).
I can tell you that I have tried methadone before and I did NOT have this problem with it. Quite the opposite, I felt wonderful on methadone -- it even acted as an anti-depressant for me and was great for pain control as well. The only bad thing about it was it made me gain weight.
But the "mood" thing has become so bad that I want to go on methadone again. I guess I need to ask my pain doctor about it.
Can anyone tell me more about Cymbalta? Do the side effects go away?
My first dose gave me nausea, dizziness, "nodding" and urinary hesitancy. I think the combination of Cymbalta PLUS opiates could produce side effects that people who are only on Cymbalta don't have.
-Wren
lostmary
08-10-2007, 08:05 PM
Wren,
i'm sorry you had problems at the beginning. I also started on 30mg, and thought that I was going to sleep all the time, stagger like I was drunk,and I couldn't put 2 thoughts together. After a week, my doc had me go up to 60mg at bedtime. (he said to take the cymbalta at nite to help avoid the side effects). I figured that people would find me dressed in yellow robes singing and begging for money at the airport...lol..(I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just a way to explain things). The first morning after the 60, I felt great. I've been on it now for 4 months, and I will,hopefully, take it forever. Most of the problems went away after a short while. I also ate crackers at the beginning of the meds to avoid feeling sick. I did feel yucky for a couple of days. I still take it with crackers tho. hope that helps.
Mary
:angel:
i'm sorry you had problems at the beginning. I also started on 30mg, and thought that I was going to sleep all the time, stagger like I was drunk,and I couldn't put 2 thoughts together. After a week, my doc had me go up to 60mg at bedtime. (he said to take the cymbalta at nite to help avoid the side effects). I figured that people would find me dressed in yellow robes singing and begging for money at the airport...lol..(I don't mean to insult anyone, it's just a way to explain things). The first morning after the 60, I felt great. I've been on it now for 4 months, and I will,hopefully, take it forever. Most of the problems went away after a short while. I also ate crackers at the beginning of the meds to avoid feeling sick. I did feel yucky for a couple of days. I still take it with crackers tho. hope that helps.
Mary
:angel:
lexusdog
08-11-2007, 02:45 AM
Oh the replies are so great. I am so happy to hear I am not the only one. It seems to really be the people on Percocet or similiar drug (oxy) are complaining of the same thing. I was wondering if it is because the drug sorta gives you that great feeling when you first start taking it. I mean when I used to take Vicodin I felt like building a house or cleaning the garage or just hugging someone. But after a while of taking it, those warm feelings go away. I think percocet gave me the same warm feelings at first, but I dont get that anymore. I really think the meds sorta mes with you happy center. You get that artificial happy and then back down. It seems to many of those up and downs with the chemicals that it seems that you just get angry or irritated.
Many of you hit the nail on the head when you said you don't even want to talk to your friend for a few minutes on the phone. I used to love calling people, now I don't want to even sit on the phone pretending to be interested or happy.
I am one of those people that hate taking meds to try and be a normal person. I want to just be a normal fun person naturally. Like I said I was up to a year or so ago know as the fun one of the group. Very out going and just plain fun. I am still trying to up hold that title, but now it's actually work and effort to try and be that person I once was.
I think I am ready to try a Prozac or Cymbalta, but is it like pain meds, you have to keep taking more and more over years and years. Is it also something that if you stop that you will want to kill yourself or something. I just so don't want to do it. I just hate the though of having people know I am on anti depressants. I really think the pain meds do this to us.
Look at how many people felt like I was writing about them. I am asking all Prozac and Cymbalta users which ones they think they like more. Pro's and con's. Side effects most noted and anything else I should know.
I am going to look up some past posts on the 2 drugs, but any input would be great.
Thank god I am not the only one feeling this way!!
Many of you hit the nail on the head when you said you don't even want to talk to your friend for a few minutes on the phone. I used to love calling people, now I don't want to even sit on the phone pretending to be interested or happy.
I am one of those people that hate taking meds to try and be a normal person. I want to just be a normal fun person naturally. Like I said I was up to a year or so ago know as the fun one of the group. Very out going and just plain fun. I am still trying to up hold that title, but now it's actually work and effort to try and be that person I once was.
I think I am ready to try a Prozac or Cymbalta, but is it like pain meds, you have to keep taking more and more over years and years. Is it also something that if you stop that you will want to kill yourself or something. I just so don't want to do it. I just hate the though of having people know I am on anti depressants. I really think the pain meds do this to us.
Look at how many people felt like I was writing about them. I am asking all Prozac and Cymbalta users which ones they think they like more. Pro's and con's. Side effects most noted and anything else I should know.
I am going to look up some past posts on the 2 drugs, but any input would be great.
Thank god I am not the only one feeling this way!!
LottyLiz
08-11-2007, 09:17 AM
I've tried both Prozac and Cymbalta. IMO, there is no question which one I would vote for. Cymbalta!!!
Prozac made me crazier than I already am. I mean really, after about 10 days, I called my GP and told him that I wanted to kill myself and anyone else I could take with me. He told me to stop it immediately and drink lots and lots and lots of water to help flush my system. After a few days, I was my old depressed self again.
After that, I tried antid after antid and all of them gave me horrible side effects. My therapist had a name for this, but I can't remember it.
Anyway, after years of depression and then came the pain issues. About 6 or 8 months ago, my family came to me and told me I had to do something. I wasn't getting up, I wasn't bathing, I didn't want to do anything, so I didn't.
I went to my doctor and told him about my "intervention" lol, and asked about Cymbalta. He put me on 30mg AT NIGHT, to help counteract the side effects. After 3 weeks, he upped me to 60 mgs.
I feel great, at least emotionally. I had very little side effects and now I can take it any time of day, but I still take it at night. I feel like the person I have wanted to be all of my life. Despite my pain, I do things with my kids, my husband, and my friends.
Sorry this is so long. Remember everyone's system is different. Just because I reacted so badly to Prozac DOES NOT mean that you will. I just wanted to give you my experience and what led me to Cybalta.
Lizzie
Prozac made me crazier than I already am. I mean really, after about 10 days, I called my GP and told him that I wanted to kill myself and anyone else I could take with me. He told me to stop it immediately and drink lots and lots and lots of water to help flush my system. After a few days, I was my old depressed self again.
After that, I tried antid after antid and all of them gave me horrible side effects. My therapist had a name for this, but I can't remember it.
Anyway, after years of depression and then came the pain issues. About 6 or 8 months ago, my family came to me and told me I had to do something. I wasn't getting up, I wasn't bathing, I didn't want to do anything, so I didn't.
I went to my doctor and told him about my "intervention" lol, and asked about Cymbalta. He put me on 30mg AT NIGHT, to help counteract the side effects. After 3 weeks, he upped me to 60 mgs.
I feel great, at least emotionally. I had very little side effects and now I can take it any time of day, but I still take it at night. I feel like the person I have wanted to be all of my life. Despite my pain, I do things with my kids, my husband, and my friends.
Sorry this is so long. Remember everyone's system is different. Just because I reacted so badly to Prozac DOES NOT mean that you will. I just wanted to give you my experience and what led me to Cybalta.
Lizzie
Fabrashamx
08-11-2007, 01:02 PM
Hi Lex,
First of all they are NOT like the pain meds, where you build up a tolerence and need more and more over time.
I never noticed a single side effect when I first started prozac, except that about 2 weeks into it, I started listening to music again, laughing more often, and I stopped crying and getting angry at the drop of a hat.
I switched to lexipro for awhile, and I liked that better, it also treats anxiety, but now I have no insurance so I'm back on the prozac.
I have quit before, all at once, when I lost benefits, and before walmart had it on their $4 plan. All that happened is that in a few weeks the depression came back, but I do think you arent really supposed to just stop. your doctor can help you with that.
As far as other people knowing you take an anti d, who says you have to tell them? its none of their business what you take. and when they see that your mood swings have improved, they probably will either stop asking what youre taking or assume you are off all meds, lol. its a drug that replaces a chemical in the brain depressed people are lacking in, its nothing to be ashamed of anymore than you would be if you were a diabetic and needed insulin.
HTH, Fabby :cool:
First of all they are NOT like the pain meds, where you build up a tolerence and need more and more over time.
I never noticed a single side effect when I first started prozac, except that about 2 weeks into it, I started listening to music again, laughing more often, and I stopped crying and getting angry at the drop of a hat.
I switched to lexipro for awhile, and I liked that better, it also treats anxiety, but now I have no insurance so I'm back on the prozac.
I have quit before, all at once, when I lost benefits, and before walmart had it on their $4 plan. All that happened is that in a few weeks the depression came back, but I do think you arent really supposed to just stop. your doctor can help you with that.
As far as other people knowing you take an anti d, who says you have to tell them? its none of their business what you take. and when they see that your mood swings have improved, they probably will either stop asking what youre taking or assume you are off all meds, lol. its a drug that replaces a chemical in the brain depressed people are lacking in, its nothing to be ashamed of anymore than you would be if you were a diabetic and needed insulin.
HTH, Fabby :cool:
lexusdog
08-11-2007, 03:09 PM
Lizzie,
Thanks for the input. I need to hear things like that. Do you think once you start a Anti D that you will always need it? I noticed on Cymbalta's website it mentioned that is helps in "controlling the volume" of messages about pain between the body and the brain. That sounds like a great thing.
Fab,
Have you taken Cymbalta? Prozac has just seemed to have the stigma attached to it. Like only crazy people take Prozac. I don't tell anyone what I am on, but I know in certain situations you have to tell (i.e. work, court, accident, hospital) I hate when people think because you are on Anti D that you are crazy!
I am so excited about calling my doc on Monday and getting him to get me on it, I so want to try it.
I want to make sure that people understand when I post that I am not talking about depression were I don't want to live, get up, bathe, or the typical things that you see on TV. I don't feel like I have this cloud following me and that I want to huddle up in a ball in a dark corner.
I work and enjoy being a productive member of society. I actually own my own company and make a very good living. I am very healthy weight and body wise, other than the messed up bones. I try and get out and enjoy life. It just seems like the meds for pain are making me a little impatient and edgy. I want to just laugh at sily little things that I look at now as annoying but shouldn't be.
I hears some laughter the other day at a restaurant from the booth across the way and though "wow I would love to just be so care free and laugh about some of the stupid little things". I usually just pull things apart and analize them.
Anyway, I will be a great test case as anyone else wondering how it worked for me, I will be posting the results as soon as Monday or Tuesday. I will ask for Vymbalta, but who knowes what he might think he wants to put me on.
Thanks for the input. I need to hear things like that. Do you think once you start a Anti D that you will always need it? I noticed on Cymbalta's website it mentioned that is helps in "controlling the volume" of messages about pain between the body and the brain. That sounds like a great thing.
Fab,
Have you taken Cymbalta? Prozac has just seemed to have the stigma attached to it. Like only crazy people take Prozac. I don't tell anyone what I am on, but I know in certain situations you have to tell (i.e. work, court, accident, hospital) I hate when people think because you are on Anti D that you are crazy!
I am so excited about calling my doc on Monday and getting him to get me on it, I so want to try it.
I want to make sure that people understand when I post that I am not talking about depression were I don't want to live, get up, bathe, or the typical things that you see on TV. I don't feel like I have this cloud following me and that I want to huddle up in a ball in a dark corner.
I work and enjoy being a productive member of society. I actually own my own company and make a very good living. I am very healthy weight and body wise, other than the messed up bones. I try and get out and enjoy life. It just seems like the meds for pain are making me a little impatient and edgy. I want to just laugh at sily little things that I look at now as annoying but shouldn't be.
I hears some laughter the other day at a restaurant from the booth across the way and though "wow I would love to just be so care free and laugh about some of the stupid little things". I usually just pull things apart and analize them.
Anyway, I will be a great test case as anyone else wondering how it worked for me, I will be posting the results as soon as Monday or Tuesday. I will ask for Vymbalta, but who knowes what he might think he wants to put me on.
Wren9
08-11-2007, 04:23 PM
Lex,
How do you feel about the Duragesic? Does it seem to NOT affect your moods in the same way that hydrocodone and oxycodone do? Do you think it's only the percocets doing it? Maybe you could go up on the base med and reduce the short-acting.
I am still on the fence about Cymbalta. I have a problem with opiates causing urinary hesitancy -- that is the main reason I got off of Kadian. And that is the reason I am scared of Cymbalta because the first dose did that to me. I actually fell asleep on the toilet bowl in the middle of the night while waiting to go. I understand that side effects go away...but I read on a couple sites that while most of the side effects go away, urinary hesitancy is the one that does not. Now this is NOT a problem for most people, but some do get this side effect. After all, Cymbalta is also prescribed for incontinence!
But I would be excited to try it Lex -- don't let me bring you down. Like I said, I have heard some amazing accounts of people loving Cymbalta. Let us know how it goes.
-Wren
How do you feel about the Duragesic? Does it seem to NOT affect your moods in the same way that hydrocodone and oxycodone do? Do you think it's only the percocets doing it? Maybe you could go up on the base med and reduce the short-acting.
I am still on the fence about Cymbalta. I have a problem with opiates causing urinary hesitancy -- that is the main reason I got off of Kadian. And that is the reason I am scared of Cymbalta because the first dose did that to me. I actually fell asleep on the toilet bowl in the middle of the night while waiting to go. I understand that side effects go away...but I read on a couple sites that while most of the side effects go away, urinary hesitancy is the one that does not. Now this is NOT a problem for most people, but some do get this side effect. After all, Cymbalta is also prescribed for incontinence!
But I would be excited to try it Lex -- don't let me bring you down. Like I said, I have heard some amazing accounts of people loving Cymbalta. Let us know how it goes.
-Wren
Fabrashamx
08-11-2007, 04:35 PM
:) Hi Lex,
No I have never tried the cymbalta, but like you I have heard good things about it.
Theres no reason to feel your life had to be something out of a gothic romance novel in order to need an anti-depressant, most people are in about the same shape you are, working and productive, and simply need a low dose anti d to help them cope better.
I dont think its anything anyone should ever be ashamed of, half the country takes something daily now a days, but I understand what you said about the prozac carrying a stigma. Good luck with the cymbalta, I hope you find your laugh again, I think you are on the right track.
~Fabby :cool:
No I have never tried the cymbalta, but like you I have heard good things about it.
Theres no reason to feel your life had to be something out of a gothic romance novel in order to need an anti-depressant, most people are in about the same shape you are, working and productive, and simply need a low dose anti d to help them cope better.
I dont think its anything anyone should ever be ashamed of, half the country takes something daily now a days, but I understand what you said about the prozac carrying a stigma. Good luck with the cymbalta, I hope you find your laugh again, I think you are on the right track.
~Fabby :cool:
LottyLiz
08-11-2007, 07:08 PM
Hi Lex,
I don't know if I'll need the Cymbalta for the rest of my life, I try not to think past the next few days if I can help it (LOL).
I suffered from severe depression LONG before I started having pain issues, it just seemed that the pain issues brought it to the forfront for me and my family.
I would have no problem being on the Cymbalta for life as it seems right now that I will probably be on one pain med or another for the rest of my life, so why not the anti-d. Besides, it does help the nerve pain somewhat.
I really hope that it or another anti-d works for you. I know what it is like to over analyze every teeny tiny little thing until you drive yourself mad.
Take care!
Lizzie
I don't know if I'll need the Cymbalta for the rest of my life, I try not to think past the next few days if I can help it (LOL).
I suffered from severe depression LONG before I started having pain issues, it just seemed that the pain issues brought it to the forfront for me and my family.
I would have no problem being on the Cymbalta for life as it seems right now that I will probably be on one pain med or another for the rest of my life, so why not the anti-d. Besides, it does help the nerve pain somewhat.
I really hope that it or another anti-d works for you. I know what it is like to over analyze every teeny tiny little thing until you drive yourself mad.
Take care!
Lizzie
butrfligirl28
08-12-2007, 11:09 AM
I can't tell you how awful I was to live with! I was so snappy, irritable, anxious, stressed, ect. I finally tried Cymbalta and it is a GOD send! :) I am so happy with the results, and I think my sweetie would kiss my doctor for suggesting that I try it! :) We were talking the other night, and he said "Babe, I really notice a difference and I am so happy YOU feel better." I do feel so much better. My pain is better as well. Please try it. It is so worth it!
I did have side effects for the first few days, but stuck with it. They were gone within a week, and did not get worse when I increased the dose. This is a wonderful medication, and I pray that it helps you as much as it's helped me!
Good Luck!
Amanda
I did have side effects for the first few days, but stuck with it. They were gone within a week, and did not get worse when I increased the dose. This is a wonderful medication, and I pray that it helps you as much as it's helped me!
Good Luck!
Amanda
lexusdog
08-16-2007, 01:06 AM
Thanks for all the comments.
I went to my Dr and he gave me a 2 week sample pack. I have been on it for about 2 days and have not felt much of a difference yet.
Anyone know how long it takes for the drug to take effect?
What have been the most noted side effects. I have heard nausea and drowsiness.
I just wanted to report my findings. I will report again later this weekend. I lso read some where it can take up to a month for results.
I went to my Dr and he gave me a 2 week sample pack. I have been on it for about 2 days and have not felt much of a difference yet.
Anyone know how long it takes for the drug to take effect?
What have been the most noted side effects. I have heard nausea and drowsiness.
I just wanted to report my findings. I will report again later this weekend. I lso read some where it can take up to a month for results.
LottyLiz
08-16-2007, 07:45 AM
Lex - It does take several weeks to get the full effect of the medication into your system. As long as any side effects you are experiencing aren't dibilitating, then I would stick with it for a minimum of a month.
The only side effect I experienced was sleepiness and slight naseau. I counteracted these effects by taking it at night right before I go to bed.
I really hope that you get some good results as did I and many others.
Lizzie
The only side effect I experienced was sleepiness and slight naseau. I counteracted these effects by taking it at night right before I go to bed.
I really hope that you get some good results as did I and many others.
Lizzie
Fabrashamx
08-16-2007, 06:41 PM
Yep, I have also always been told that it takes about 2 weeks. and my old doctor said others will always notice a difference before you do.
My DH said, 'hey, you havent cried or thrown anything in like a week!'
lol.
Good luck and let us know how youre doing!
~Fabby:cool:
My DH said, 'hey, you havent cried or thrown anything in like a week!'
lol.
Good luck and let us know how youre doing!
~Fabby:cool:
madhatter
08-16-2007, 11:06 PM
Hey lex! Well,you said you've been on meds for 2 yrs,and you just started acting this way so my guess it wouldn't be the current meds,maybe something else going on in your life etc. Now this is wierd,but I was the exact same way almost 5 yrs ago before i got hurt and before being on meds etc. For example[man i was bad] one time i was cooking eggs in the morning,and one of the eggs broke
[the yoke] and i freaked out,i through the eggs in the pan out,and started wacking the frypan against the stove,the littlest things i would snapp over,then in an instant,be back to normal.Everyone said i had a temper[i never hit my wife,or anything like that] but now I don't snapp nearly as much.I would look at things going on in your life lex before going on meds. Really,it could be anything ,hang in there.Hey,at least you noticed it,thats a real good thing!
[the yoke] and i freaked out,i through the eggs in the pan out,and started wacking the frypan against the stove,the littlest things i would snapp over,then in an instant,be back to normal.Everyone said i had a temper[i never hit my wife,or anything like that] but now I don't snapp nearly as much.I would look at things going on in your life lex before going on meds. Really,it could be anything ,hang in there.Hey,at least you noticed it,thats a real good thing!
lexusdog
08-17-2007, 01:05 AM
I would not lose my temper like breaking things, etc. I just don't find small thinkgs like needless chatter on the phone enjoyable. I get judgemental about everything. I want everyone to get out of my way as they are just stupid. The thing is I don't think they are stupid, I am just being edgy.
Many people that have been on percocet have responded with the same exact feelings. If you read the posts above almost all of the are on percs and are stating that I wrote about me like I was writing about them.
I am actually in a great place in my life. Own my own company and make a good amount of money. I work 2-3 days out of the week. I have nice cars, nice house, etc..
I think the meds make your moods elevate and then when they wear off your mood drops. I think too many years of up and down moods from percs or other pain meds causes the brain to just get messed up.
I am going to get the doc to give me a month supply. He has many pain patience on it.
Many people that have been on percocet have responded with the same exact feelings. If you read the posts above almost all of the are on percs and are stating that I wrote about me like I was writing about them.
I am actually in a great place in my life. Own my own company and make a good amount of money. I work 2-3 days out of the week. I have nice cars, nice house, etc..
I think the meds make your moods elevate and then when they wear off your mood drops. I think too many years of up and down moods from percs or other pain meds causes the brain to just get messed up.
I am going to get the doc to give me a month supply. He has many pain patience on it.
whosit
08-17-2007, 05:21 PM
WOW! that is all I can say to all of these post's.....that hit home so much that it kinda made me depressed....I am going through the same thing right now. I am on Oxycontin and Percocet. I have tried Lexapro, wellbutrin, and Effexor. Roght now I am on: Lamictal 50mg 2 times a day, Dilantin 12.5mg in the morning, Effexor 150mg in the morning, in addition to other meds but those are the ones I take for depression right now. They are not working I can tell you that. i feel afraid to tell my doctor because i dont want to be alot of trouble and he has tried a few different combos before. This combo was working at fIrst(6 months or so) and then it seemed to just stop working. I ahve heard that cymbalta wa sabout the same thing as effexor so I dont know if it would be right for me or not. I really do think it is the oxycodone that is causing it but my doctor has gone through so much rouble to get it approved through my insurance, and it works so well to relieve the pain I dont want to switch to anything else. I have mentioned switching to something else but my doctor has said that we could try methadone but I was worried about it causing withdrawls. he said we would have to ease into it and it had antagonist properties as well. he has told me that duragesic is basically out, I am not sure why. We have tried SA Morphine(MS Contin) and it did nothing for me for some reason. So there is not much other choices for a pain medication and BT pain medication to switch to. if anyone knows of another pain medication to try or a anti-depressent I can suggest to take along with the oxycontin and percocet by all means do so!!! Thanks for hearing me out
Wvrecon432
Wvrecon432
lexusdog
08-18-2007, 02:49 AM
Wvrecon,
Are you saying you feel the same way as my first post on this thread? Isn't it weird that everyone that has wrote and said it sounds like you are describing me is on Percocet? I think it first starting to happen when I went from Norco to Percs. It seems like the common thread is percs.
Just an interesting thought.
I need to read the drug papers on Percs and see if they talk about mood or irratability etc...
Are you saying you feel the same way as my first post on this thread? Isn't it weird that everyone that has wrote and said it sounds like you are describing me is on Percocet? I think it first starting to happen when I went from Norco to Percs. It seems like the common thread is percs.
Just an interesting thought.
I need to read the drug papers on Percs and see if they talk about mood or irratability etc...
whosit
08-18-2007, 03:42 AM
Wvrecon,
Are you saying you feel the same way as my first post on this thread? Isn't it weird that everyone that has wrote and said it sounds like you are describing me is on Percocet? I think it first starting to happen when I went from Norco to Percs. It seems like the common thread is percs.
Just an interesting thought.
I need to read the drug papers on Percs and see if they talk about mood or irratability etc...
Yes....actually i am saying that is me on oxycodone period. i am very irritable and have lost alot of interest in things I used to like to do. i snap at everything and everyone nowadays. Like other ppl have said as well, i dont know if it is the pain, or the medication that treats it. The pain has went down alot since starting pain treatment and at first I was happy. I just seem to be more unhappy here recently. I started Oxycontin about 6 months ago as well, so mabey the increase in oxy. But I am not quick to blame it on the meds though, I have other things that contribute as well. i will keep everyone updated though. I am going to talk to my doctor about switching depression medications when I go back to see him in a few weeks and see if that helps.
Wvrecon432
Are you saying you feel the same way as my first post on this thread? Isn't it weird that everyone that has wrote and said it sounds like you are describing me is on Percocet? I think it first starting to happen when I went from Norco to Percs. It seems like the common thread is percs.
Just an interesting thought.
I need to read the drug papers on Percs and see if they talk about mood or irratability etc...
Yes....actually i am saying that is me on oxycodone period. i am very irritable and have lost alot of interest in things I used to like to do. i snap at everything and everyone nowadays. Like other ppl have said as well, i dont know if it is the pain, or the medication that treats it. The pain has went down alot since starting pain treatment and at first I was happy. I just seem to be more unhappy here recently. I started Oxycontin about 6 months ago as well, so mabey the increase in oxy. But I am not quick to blame it on the meds though, I have other things that contribute as well. i will keep everyone updated though. I am going to talk to my doctor about switching depression medications when I go back to see him in a few weeks and see if that helps.
Wvrecon432
Wren9
08-18-2007, 06:51 PM
I too think it is the oxycodone (for me). My main complaints are impatience and irritability. I did not have the same thing with other meds: hydrocodone, morphine or methadone. I am going to ask my doctor about methadone or Duragesic. I am wary about asking for meds "by name" but I have to do something! Also I like the idea of methadone and Duragesic being "longer-acting" so I would not need to take pills as often.
I told my doctor about the mood problem last visit and did NOT mention other meds...but I was hoping he would suggest them. Well he suggested long-acting morphine, but I had already tried that. So then he told me about Cymbalta. But like I wrote in another post, I can't tolerate the side effects and still work right now. Maybe if I had a mini-vacation from work (like a 4-5 day weekend) I could try to initiate it then.
But anyway, I'm going to see about switching meds, and I'll report back what happens.
Lexus, I wish I could work just 2-3 days per week. Working and having to take care of all the household duties, plus dealing with pain and medication side/effects, well it pushes me over the edge. I would love to work part-time. I could do it too, if I could just get good hourly wage.
-Wren
I told my doctor about the mood problem last visit and did NOT mention other meds...but I was hoping he would suggest them. Well he suggested long-acting morphine, but I had already tried that. So then he told me about Cymbalta. But like I wrote in another post, I can't tolerate the side effects and still work right now. Maybe if I had a mini-vacation from work (like a 4-5 day weekend) I could try to initiate it then.
But anyway, I'm going to see about switching meds, and I'll report back what happens.
Lexus, I wish I could work just 2-3 days per week. Working and having to take care of all the household duties, plus dealing with pain and medication side/effects, well it pushes me over the edge. I would love to work part-time. I could do it too, if I could just get good hourly wage.
-Wren
butrfligirl28
08-18-2007, 08:48 PM
I am also on oxycontin and percocet. My doc recommended Cymbalta, and not only am I happier, but my friends and family are too. It REALLY helps with the crankiness and everyone getting on your nerves. Works great for my fibro pain as well. Worth a shot! :)
Amanda
Amanda
lexusdog
08-19-2007, 01:16 AM
Isn't the same meds in perc and Oxy, just oxy doesn't have the tylenol?
So basically all the responding post that feel the same way are on the same meds wether it is Percs or Oxy.
I am still taking my Cymbalta now since Monday night. Not sure I am feeling any different. Maybe I am trying to hard to notice a difference.
So basically all the responding post that feel the same way are on the same meds wether it is Percs or Oxy.
I am still taking my Cymbalta now since Monday night. Not sure I am feeling any different. Maybe I am trying to hard to notice a difference.
whosit
08-19-2007, 02:29 AM
Isn't the same meds in perc and Oxy, just oxy doesn't have the tylenol?
So basically all the responding post that feel the same way are on the same meds wether it is Percs or Oxy.
I am still taking my Cymbalta now since Monday night. Not sure I am feeling any different. Maybe I am trying to hard to notice a difference.
Yes you are right, percocet has Tylenol in it along with oxycodone and Oxycontin or Oxy IR just has oxycodone alone with no tylenol. Oxy IR and Percocet is instant release and Oxycontin releases over time.
I havnt heard anyone on percodan(with aspirin instead of tylenol) as chime in though. I am pretty sure it is the oxycodone doing this to everyone though. We are all in pain as well though and that in itself is depressing enough without something else coming in and doing it worse. I have heard oxycodone IS a depressant too. not sure how true it is because I am not a doctor but sounds to be pretty true from this topic.
So basically all the responding post that feel the same way are on the same meds wether it is Percs or Oxy.
I am still taking my Cymbalta now since Monday night. Not sure I am feeling any different. Maybe I am trying to hard to notice a difference.
Yes you are right, percocet has Tylenol in it along with oxycodone and Oxycontin or Oxy IR just has oxycodone alone with no tylenol. Oxy IR and Percocet is instant release and Oxycontin releases over time.
I havnt heard anyone on percodan(with aspirin instead of tylenol) as chime in though. I am pretty sure it is the oxycodone doing this to everyone though. We are all in pain as well though and that in itself is depressing enough without something else coming in and doing it worse. I have heard oxycodone IS a depressant too. not sure how true it is because I am not a doctor but sounds to be pretty true from this topic.
butrfligirl28
08-19-2007, 08:06 PM
It can take 1 to 6 weeks to notice the effects of any anti-depressants, including Cymbalta. I noticed a big difference around four weeks. Good luck! I hope it works well for you too!
sammyo1
08-20-2007, 09:56 AM
Ok guys I am alittle new at this but I have been on oxycodone 10mg, my primary put me on till I seen the surgeon, well he gave me what I thought was a refill of oxy but the script says percocet, so they are different? That makes me alittle angry that he did not explain to me what he was doing, also said to take tylanol 8 hr. time release, well I may be alittle paranoid but my sister accidently overdosed on tylanol so that bothers me. does one work better then the other for pain? I am alittle edgy on oxycodone, my sister-in-law is on oxycontin (& abreak through of oxcodone) for cancer & she said she gets real irratable so trys not to take second dose @ times. Heck I was just learning the differance between oxycontin & oxycodone, I am really confused. I hate trying new things & I hate when the Dr.'s don't explain.
Wren9
08-20-2007, 03:03 PM
Sammyo1,
What dose of Percocet are you on? Is it regular-strength Percocet?
Regular-strength Percocet contains 5 mg oxycodone and 500 mg APAP (acetaminophen, aka tylenol).
Percocet also comes in a 10 mg strength (with varying amounts of APAP, from 625 mg down to 325 mg).
Oxycodone Instant Release, aka Oxy IR, aka brand name Roxicodone, contains ONLY oxycodone, no APAP.
Oxycontin also contains ONLY oxycodone, no APAP, but it is in a bi-phasic release profile, meaning it releases about half right away and the other half in about 4-6 hours.
Here's what I am worried about though. If you are already taking APAP (tylenol) in the form of Percocet, why would your doctor ask you to take extra tylenol? That is something you might want to address with your doctor.
Your feelings are right on the money...and I hope you feel better after talking with your doctor.
-Wren
What dose of Percocet are you on? Is it regular-strength Percocet?
Regular-strength Percocet contains 5 mg oxycodone and 500 mg APAP (acetaminophen, aka tylenol).
Percocet also comes in a 10 mg strength (with varying amounts of APAP, from 625 mg down to 325 mg).
Oxycodone Instant Release, aka Oxy IR, aka brand name Roxicodone, contains ONLY oxycodone, no APAP.
Oxycontin also contains ONLY oxycodone, no APAP, but it is in a bi-phasic release profile, meaning it releases about half right away and the other half in about 4-6 hours.
Here's what I am worried about though. If you are already taking APAP (tylenol) in the form of Percocet, why would your doctor ask you to take extra tylenol? That is something you might want to address with your doctor.
Your feelings are right on the money...and I hope you feel better after talking with your doctor.
-Wren
sammyo1
08-20-2007, 09:34 PM
Wren9, I have yet to get the script filled, it is percocet 10mg, I am still on the oxcodone until I run out, was hoping to not have to get it filled & get into rehab. doc, all these scripts from all these docs. Hate to say it but I am getting paranoid of what the pharmacy will think, can't get into rehab. doc till sept 10 so I will have to get it filled, I will ask the pharmacist about the extra tylanol, I don't trust all that stuff. Can't figure out why that doctor did that, & I won't be going back to him, even if I wanted to call him he is out for almost two weeks, is percocet stronger then oxycodone? He changed the hours in between doses also. Thanks so much, Sammy
ozzybug
08-21-2007, 05:21 PM
:) Hey Sammy-
Oxycodone is the active ingredient in Percocet, so what the doctor gave you is Percocet 10 mgs, which means 10 mgs of oxycodone. Percocet is just a name brand for oxycodone.
Hope this helps. Take care!!
Oxycodone is the active ingredient in Percocet, so what the doctor gave you is Percocet 10 mgs, which means 10 mgs of oxycodone. Percocet is just a name brand for oxycodone.
Hope this helps. Take care!!
sammyo1
08-22-2007, 08:49 PM
Lexusdog, deleted post so would not change topic of your orginal thread. Sammy
sammyo1
08-22-2007, 10:24 PM
Sorry lexusdog, still kind of getting used to this, got carried away, thanks for pointing it out, your thread has been informative for me, & I apolagize once again. Sammy
lexusdog
08-24-2007, 10:59 PM
No problem :-)
greeneyed girl
08-25-2007, 12:20 AM
Lex, I have been on both prozac and cymbalta both were great, but just remember to take the cymbalta the same time every day or if you forget to take it you will get head zaps that is the only way I know how to describe it.as soon as you take it again it will kick back in. I have been on it about two years. the prozac didnt do that if I forgot, but the cymbalta still works better ..... I have talked to several ppl about this issue and they all said it happened to them.................. good luck what ever you decide..........:D
lexusdog
08-25-2007, 03:00 AM
i have heard you say head zaps before. What exactly do you mean by head zaps? Can you explain what exactly you are experiencing and how long after you missed the dose did you experience it. I am told to take it at night before bed, so if I forgot to take it and went to bed, would I experience what you call head zaps in the middle of the night, or the next day?
THanks for your reply in advance
THanks for your reply in advance
curiousforever
08-25-2007, 12:49 PM
Cymbalta made me the way you're describing. The 'pm' dose is 60 twice a day. It did wonders for my pain, but I couldn't live like that anymore.....
So I am now anti-depressantless and happier....even with the more pain.
So I am now anti-depressantless and happier....even with the more pain.
IZZY'SMOM
08-25-2007, 08:32 PM
I have beenabsolutely horrid lately. im SO irritable, short tempered and cranky from these meds. Its getting worse, too. I dont do well with anti depressants, so I dont EVEN want to go there. Im dreading my son going to school, but honestly i feel like Ive been such a b*tch lately that it may give me a chance to regroup.
Im greatful to have a great life, be active, and my pain under control, but I find myself not wanting to visit on the phone, and when someone is talking for a bit, I wish theyd just shut up. Isnt that terrible? I get annoyed alot, a LOT... I notice its worse the later the day gets. Maybe I just need some rest, but i can tell since Ive been on meds, that it has become an issue for me. I totally understand~
XOXOXOXO,
IZZY'SMOM
Im greatful to have a great life, be active, and my pain under control, but I find myself not wanting to visit on the phone, and when someone is talking for a bit, I wish theyd just shut up. Isnt that terrible? I get annoyed alot, a LOT... I notice its worse the later the day gets. Maybe I just need some rest, but i can tell since Ive been on meds, that it has become an issue for me. I totally understand~
XOXOXOXO,
IZZY'SMOM
lexusdog
08-26-2007, 02:15 AM
Izzy's
That's what I am trying to say. I am just not even interested in phone conversations or just sitting around and talking about nothing. I know that is what people usually enjoy doing, but not when you are irritated like we are. I feel the same way like I don't even want to return friends messages because I know they just want to sit and chat. I also feel the same when people are talking to me. I know I am supposed to be interested and listen as a normal person does, but for some reason I am also like "shut up".
Lexi
That's what I am trying to say. I am just not even interested in phone conversations or just sitting around and talking about nothing. I know that is what people usually enjoy doing, but not when you are irritated like we are. I feel the same way like I don't even want to return friends messages because I know they just want to sit and chat. I also feel the same when people are talking to me. I know I am supposed to be interested and listen as a normal person does, but for some reason I am also like "shut up".
Lexi
LottyLiz
08-26-2007, 07:31 PM
IZZY - I had horrible side effects with anti-d's. I was on one after another for years (even before my CP issues). I seriously considered suicide at one point, because the anti-d's were reacting badly with my system. After about 6 years of depression AND CP my family did an "intervention" on me. I wasn't gettng out of bed or bathing or doing anything a good wife and mother whould do.
I have to tell you that Cymbalta saved my sanity as well as helped somewhat with my nerve pain. I honestly believe that as much as my hubby loves me and supports me, our marriage wouldn't have lasted.
You may want to discuss Cymbalta with your doc. He can probably give you a months worth of samples to see if it helps.
Just a thought.
Lizzie
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I have to tell you that Cymbalta saved my sanity as well as helped somewhat with my nerve pain. I honestly believe that as much as my hubby loves me and supports me, our marriage wouldn't have lasted.
You may want to discuss Cymbalta with your doc. He can probably give you a months worth of samples to see if it helps.
Just a thought.
Lizzie
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IZZY'SMOM
08-27-2007, 12:55 AM
Im so terrified of going down the antidepressant road again...:confused:
LottyLiz
08-27-2007, 08:55 AM
Im so terrified of going down the antidepressant road again...:confused:
So was I! I fought going on another antidepressant, but I had to do something.
Not telling you what you should do, but I would at least try it for a couple of weeks to a month. I honestly could tell a difference within 2 weeks and by the 1 month mark I couldn't beleive the difference. The irritability, snippiness and general feeling of depression was gone.
I had a couple of side effects the first few days, but my doc told me to start taking it at night and that took care of that problem.
I have read so many of your posts and some of your posts have helped me, so I would like to return the favor if I can.:angel:
Take care and think about it. The worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't work for you and you are no worse off than you were to begin with.
Lizzie
So was I! I fought going on another antidepressant, but I had to do something.
Not telling you what you should do, but I would at least try it for a couple of weeks to a month. I honestly could tell a difference within 2 weeks and by the 1 month mark I couldn't beleive the difference. The irritability, snippiness and general feeling of depression was gone.
I had a couple of side effects the first few days, but my doc told me to start taking it at night and that took care of that problem.
I have read so many of your posts and some of your posts have helped me, so I would like to return the favor if I can.:angel:
Take care and think about it. The worst thing that could happen is that it doesn't work for you and you are no worse off than you were to begin with.
Lizzie