jzimmerman
08-12-2007, 01:19 AM
I have major lower back pain, from a mid line tear somewhere, and 2 herniated disc. My dr originally wrote me Lorcet 10/650, Soma, and Mobic. It somewhat helped, but eventually the lorct began like after a week to get to where it worked but the pain was returning quite quickly, like after an hour or 2 of taking it. I told the dr about this, and he wrote me a RX for Duragesic 50mcg Patches. I have noticed NO RELIEF what so ever , just like its a dud or something. I told him about this and he wanted to up the strength of the patch, or told me if i would rather, he would change it to Ms Contin, 30 mg. I said ok. He told me this was long acting morphine, and that i could take it 2x a day. It seems to be workiing, but the pain still is re-curring, like 2-3 hours after i take the 1st dose. I seem no matter what med i ever take , Antibiotic, or anything, i get tollerant to it super quick. My dr was in a wreck or something, and the new dr taking over, said to stop all meds that he will have no dealings with these type meds, and does not prescribe narcotics for any reason, and under no circumstances. I am searching for a new Dr, that can at least tell me what to do, or refer me to someone who can help .. ANyone have any advise. THanks..
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butrfligirl28
08-12-2007, 09:01 AM
Please see a pain specialist. It was dangerous for your doctor to start you on 50mcg patches from Lorcet. You really need a specialist who can regulate your medication, and find a plan that works with your bodys specific needs. The patch just may not have worked for you. Morphine does that to me. It's like taking aspirin. I found a good pain doctor, and they have worked with me to find what does work. I would start there first.
Is this new doc letting you go cold turkey on your meds???
Is this new doc letting you go cold turkey on your meds???
Fabrashamx
08-12-2007, 11:58 AM
For sure keep trying to find another doctor. Butterfly gave you excellent advice so I just want to add that the doctor who doesnt ever prescribe narcotics could get in as much trouble as doctors who over prescribe.
One of the most important things that happened in the last 15 years for pain patients is that doctors started being sued for malpractice for UNDER prescribing for pain. The case I remember is a man that died of brain cancer with nothing more than tylenol 3's for pain, even though the patient and his family had begged the doctor to keep him comfortable, and he died in agony.
Pain medicine is an important tool, and a doctor has no right in my opinion to say that it is a tool he will NEVER use. If you arent taking your patients on a case by case basis, you need to get out of medicine and go work in a factory where everything is alike all day long.
Good luck and I hope you find the relief you need and deserve.
Hang in there!
~Fabby:)
One of the most important things that happened in the last 15 years for pain patients is that doctors started being sued for malpractice for UNDER prescribing for pain. The case I remember is a man that died of brain cancer with nothing more than tylenol 3's for pain, even though the patient and his family had begged the doctor to keep him comfortable, and he died in agony.
Pain medicine is an important tool, and a doctor has no right in my opinion to say that it is a tool he will NEVER use. If you arent taking your patients on a case by case basis, you need to get out of medicine and go work in a factory where everything is alike all day long.
Good luck and I hope you find the relief you need and deserve.
Hang in there!
~Fabby:)
jzimmerman
08-12-2007, 03:41 PM
THis dr is my Primary Doctor. I am going to ask about a referral to pain management, but the last time i saw him, he told me he wasnt referring me to another physician right now, because truth be known that with all the pain clinics in my little area that just got raided for all prescriing pain cocktails, that i would not get anyh help what so ever , for the drs fear of getting in trouble. So i dont know, i may have to travel like to houston or something, just to find a physician that is willing to help, and doesnt have rules before they ever see you about what they will not prescribe or what they do. I agree everything should be on a case by case basis, and any dr, like my one before this who tells me he honestly believes im in tremendous pain, but cannot prescribe narcotics, i will not see again. Either he cant because his license has been restricted, or he just doesnt want to out of fear of trouble. BUt i am in serarch of a DR who can help, and not one who just changes everything up on me and says, dont call the first time you have a little side effect, give it time. Well vomitting, diarrhea, mass pain, all that to me is grounds to stop a med if it is that bad,
jzimmerman
08-12-2007, 03:45 PM
THe dr taking over from the one who was injured, said to STOP ALL MEDS, and that i should have no problem stopping everything. That no matter what the condition it didnt warrant the use of narcotics, and that if things got bad, not to come to the office to go to the emergency room. But the emergency room referes you back to the Doctor, saying that they cant even prescribe some of the things i am on, and cannot treat me, that my doctor needs to fix this. GRRRRR. I think i hav located a pain management doctor close to me, his office says theyh would be glad to consult with me to see if they can help. He seems to be very reputable for helping people, i know he doesnt make a habit of writing out narcotics for everyone, and that is good, because surely not EVERYONE needs it, but at least if he feels the situation warrants the use of certain meds he does use them. and keeps the druggies away. thats good.
candie7
08-12-2007, 04:17 PM
I have major lower back pain, from a mid line tear somewhere, and 2 herniated disc. My dr originally wrote me Lorcet 10/650, Soma, and Mobic. It somewhat helped, but eventually the lorct began like after a week to get to where it worked but the pain was returning quite quickly, like after an hour or 2 of taking it. I told the dr about this, and he wrote me a RX for Duragesic 50mcg Patches. I have noticed NO RELIEF what so ever , just like its a dud or something. I told him about this and he wanted to up the strength of the patch, or told me if i would rather, he would change it to Ms Contin, 30 mg. I said ok. He told me this was long acting morphine, and that i could take it 2x a day. It seems to be workiing, but the pain still is re-curring, like 2-3 hours after i take the 1st dose. I seem no matter what med i ever take , Antibiotic, or anything, i get tollerant to it super quick. My dr was in a wreck or something, and the new dr taking over, said to stop all meds that he will have no dealings with these type meds, and does not prescribe narcotics for any reason, and under no circumstances. I am searching for a new Dr, that can at least tell me what to do, or refer me to someone who can help .. ANyone have any advise. THanks..
Wow Thats awful. He is irresponsible for not treating you with yes, narcotic pain meds. I feel for you! You know, I would call your insurance company and tell them this and ask them for their advise........can they refer you to someone who will responsibly give you good care. They can be very helpful. Hang in there!
Wow Thats awful. He is irresponsible for not treating you with yes, narcotic pain meds. I feel for you! You know, I would call your insurance company and tell them this and ask them for their advise........can they refer you to someone who will responsibly give you good care. They can be very helpful. Hang in there!
IZZY'SMOM
08-12-2007, 07:35 PM
What a jerk!! My doc told me that docs are being sued for under treating pain. First of all, he could have overdosed you by starting you on the patch at that high of strength, and now he tells you you wont have any trouble STOPPING? Ive goine down from the 50's to the 25's with no problems, but I was on them for about 8 months. I hope you can find a good doc soon...Do you have anough meds to hold you until you find a doc? can i ask your age? Going thru withdrawls can be very hard on ppl...
xoxoxox,
IZZY'SMOM
xoxoxox,
IZZY'SMOM
jzimmerman
08-13-2007, 10:13 AM
well I have the Duragesic patches 50mcg, about lik 5-7 left, and like 60 tabs of the Ms Contin 30mg. So yeah i think i have enough to last me, i rotate, and just depending on how bad the pain is, and i also have the lorcet 10, which just depending on how bad i let it get, all do work, but mostly when it is pretty bad i have top take the ms contin 30mg. I am in search of a good pain doctor, but ive managed this long, i think i will manage till i find one. I never take the meds, unless it just absolutely is no other choice, for fear that if i run out and dont have a doctor what would i do then. Thanks everyone for your help, it is greatly appreciated. Maybe going up from the 50mcg patches to a higher patch, would help, beings the ms contin seems not as strong. I know everyone is different but who knows.
jzimmerman
08-13-2007, 12:14 PM
I am a 23 year old male. NEver had problems like this before, and I even told the Dr i just wanted someone to find what was wrong and fix it because i didnt like taking medications, and surely wasnt there just to get them. He told me that he honestly believed that, and that was the only reason he was writing the meds he did, and that normally that was not his style to write things of that nature. But now that this doctor is taking over for him, this doctor is a total jerk , and no one likes him, he wants me to suddenly stop everything, even the fioriciet for headaches, said those can eventually be habit formming---WELL EVERYTHING can be habit formming. I am definately switching fropm him, he will haev lawsuits heading his way quick im sure. Thanks everyone for your input. Does anyone know anything about Diluadid. I was givin that in the hospital while they were running tests. 4-8 mg every 4 hours, it worked very well. Is this stronger than ms contin?.....im not too knowledgeable on meds and what is stronger or not, just curious to know. Thanks for everyones kind words, when you hurt really bad, sometimes a cheerful and kind word will do that trick, just to give you that little hope that everything one day will be ok.
mindmltn
08-13-2007, 04:33 PM
The replacement Doctor can not just drop you like that.
It is against the oath he took and he cannot just make you stop cold turkey the prescription regiment that your original doctor had you on.
It may not be his preferred treatment regiment but he can't just make you stop cold turkey.
I would call a malpractice lawyer and see if you can't sue him.
That is so wrong on so many levels and he shouldn’t have done it like that.
I would let him know that you plan on contacting a lawyer and you don’t want him as your doctor but he should have kept giving you the meds that your original doctor prescribed until you could wean off of them or find another Doctor that would give you those meds.
I am really sorry that you had to go through this but i am pretty sure he broke some laws by doing that to you especially if you have a documented chronic pain problem.
Good luck and I hope you get everything worked out very soon.
Joey.
It is against the oath he took and he cannot just make you stop cold turkey the prescription regiment that your original doctor had you on.
It may not be his preferred treatment regiment but he can't just make you stop cold turkey.
I would call a malpractice lawyer and see if you can't sue him.
That is so wrong on so many levels and he shouldn’t have done it like that.
I would let him know that you plan on contacting a lawyer and you don’t want him as your doctor but he should have kept giving you the meds that your original doctor prescribed until you could wean off of them or find another Doctor that would give you those meds.
I am really sorry that you had to go through this but i am pretty sure he broke some laws by doing that to you especially if you have a documented chronic pain problem.
Good luck and I hope you get everything worked out very soon.
Joey.
jzimmerman
08-14-2007, 10:12 AM
Yes, it is a very documented chronic pain issue. I have lots of friends that are attorneys, and several have said that yes, I would have some sort of malpractice suit, but that good look finding an attorney to take on a case like this that just invoves a dr not prescribing narcotics. Which that is not even the issue, the issue, is making me stop cold turkey from medications my Original Doctor had prescribed, even though they were working for me, just because he is afraid of getting on trouble, so he makes signs all over the office "this office does not presribe narcotics, for any reason". I mean that is they way he wants to do it, then fine he will lose a lot of patients, that are there for help, not just seeking narcotics. Im sure a lot of people probably do go to doctors to get drugs, but that ruins it for the people that are truly hurting, and need help, and follow the prescribing dosages, and do not abuse there medications. A lot of people couldnt even function through life without some kinds of meds to help them. I should have told him, if you ever hurt, and can get by the just tylenol, then you are truly blessed, but if you ever felt what i was feeling, you would change you mind quick i bet. Thanks yall for the kind words, and info.