Amy26
08-22-2007, 04:41 PM
Hi there!
I have high cholesterol, high triglycerides and high blood pressure...yay!
I'm on Lipitor 10mg, Benicar 20mg, and HCZ 25mg ... all of which give me horrible side effects I must say.
I've been on these meds for about 3 months.
Anyhoot, I have a rant about cholesterol levels in food... The biggest thing I hear is stop eating red meat and shrimp because of the amount of cholesterol in these foods. Yet, when I go to the grocery store... I checked a package of ground beef, ground turkey and ground chicken... the ground chicken and turkey had MORE cholesterol in them than the beef. What is up with that?
To me, I thought Soy was the ultimate answer... no cholesterol...no trans fats... relatively healthy stuff. I love soy... its my new best friend. Soy cheese, soy ice cream, soy ground beef..etc...
But then I hear all the stories about how soy is evil and too much of it will (over exageration) kill you.
What is the real story here? Should I just eat normally and exercise and take my meds? It just seems like EVERYTHING is bad for me. I'm the kind of person that I can't function with someone just telling me to "eat right". I need structure... I need someone to tell me how much of what to eat and when. So, I'm just really confused.
I'm going to get my cholesterol rechecked in October for the first time since my inital test. I'm hoping it goes well.
Also, how does one lower triglycerides when you're on lipitor? I noticed someone mentioned a specific medication that lowers it but you can't take it with statins? My trigylcerides are like 190 and I'm guessing that's because I drank a lot of red wine?
Any help is appreciated.
I have high cholesterol, high triglycerides and high blood pressure...yay!
I'm on Lipitor 10mg, Benicar 20mg, and HCZ 25mg ... all of which give me horrible side effects I must say.
I've been on these meds for about 3 months.
Anyhoot, I have a rant about cholesterol levels in food... The biggest thing I hear is stop eating red meat and shrimp because of the amount of cholesterol in these foods. Yet, when I go to the grocery store... I checked a package of ground beef, ground turkey and ground chicken... the ground chicken and turkey had MORE cholesterol in them than the beef. What is up with that?
To me, I thought Soy was the ultimate answer... no cholesterol...no trans fats... relatively healthy stuff. I love soy... its my new best friend. Soy cheese, soy ice cream, soy ground beef..etc...
But then I hear all the stories about how soy is evil and too much of it will (over exageration) kill you.
What is the real story here? Should I just eat normally and exercise and take my meds? It just seems like EVERYTHING is bad for me. I'm the kind of person that I can't function with someone just telling me to "eat right". I need structure... I need someone to tell me how much of what to eat and when. So, I'm just really confused.
I'm going to get my cholesterol rechecked in October for the first time since my inital test. I'm hoping it goes well.
Also, how does one lower triglycerides when you're on lipitor? I noticed someone mentioned a specific medication that lowers it but you can't take it with statins? My trigylcerides are like 190 and I'm guessing that's because I drank a lot of red wine?
Any help is appreciated.
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Guy1_USA
08-22-2007, 06:54 PM
What is the real story here? Should I just eat normally and exercise and take my meds?
Yes, just eat as healthy as you can stand, and exercise as much as you can stand. You liver makes most of your cholesterol. I think too big a deal is made regarding eating food with cholesterol.
Also, how does one lower triglycerides when you're on lipitor?
I believe you can take niacin and statins together. Ask your doctor. Niacin is great at lowering TG's.
Another way to lower TG's is to eliminate sugar and alcohol from your diet. Both will raise your TG's. A TG of 190 is really not that bad. I think 150 and lower is considered the normal range. To contrast, my TG's were 304 18 months ago.
Ask your Doctor to switch you to an ACE inhibitor (like Monopril) for your BP. It seems to have the least side effects of the BP meds.
Good luck. :)
Yes, just eat as healthy as you can stand, and exercise as much as you can stand. You liver makes most of your cholesterol. I think too big a deal is made regarding eating food with cholesterol.
Also, how does one lower triglycerides when you're on lipitor?
I believe you can take niacin and statins together. Ask your doctor. Niacin is great at lowering TG's.
Another way to lower TG's is to eliminate sugar and alcohol from your diet. Both will raise your TG's. A TG of 190 is really not that bad. I think 150 and lower is considered the normal range. To contrast, my TG's were 304 18 months ago.
Ask your Doctor to switch you to an ACE inhibitor (like Monopril) for your BP. It seems to have the least side effects of the BP meds.
Good luck. :)
jacal5
08-22-2007, 07:56 PM
I stay away from soy because it's genetically modified in the U.S., the problem with soy is the processing. Soy is contained in so many products on the supermarket shelf it's hard to stay away from. I read labels and do not buy them. A few weeks ago I realized that my favorite bottled salad dressing can contain soybean oil (I missed it on the label), so I decided to make a homemade olive oil/vinegar dressing to keep in the fridge. My best friend only eats fermented soy
(which decreases soy toxicity) like miso, in very limited amounts.
Your high soy consumption could be damaging to your thyroid, bones, and even put you at an increased risk for cancer from elevated estrogen levels.
There are several books on the market with "heart healthy" advice and menu plans, like "The 8 Week Cholesterol Cure", which has been updated. The book is rated 4 out of 5 stars on one of the popular book selling web-sites, with several people posting excellent cholesterol lowering results.
Good luck!
(which decreases soy toxicity) like miso, in very limited amounts.
Your high soy consumption could be damaging to your thyroid, bones, and even put you at an increased risk for cancer from elevated estrogen levels.
There are several books on the market with "heart healthy" advice and menu plans, like "The 8 Week Cholesterol Cure", which has been updated. The book is rated 4 out of 5 stars on one of the popular book selling web-sites, with several people posting excellent cholesterol lowering results.
Good luck!
Amy26
08-22-2007, 10:24 PM
How and why could soy do that? Its supposed to be great for you how could it do all those things?
jacal5
08-23-2007, 11:13 AM
Hi,
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I had a facial done at Whole Foods store last year, the facialist was from London, England and she had a line of skin care products which contained soy. While she was putting the cream on my face she asked me if I ate soy and said no, I read about the dangers and wouldn't eat it if I could avoid it (it's hard to do with so many products containing it). She told me she was so glad I don't eat it because it draws everything out of your system, that's why she uses it on the skin, to draw impurities out. In addition, she said many people don't know it's unhealthy, and she was glad I wasn't one of them!
My sister, who was with me, asked her if soy is so unhealthy, why are they selling it at Whole Foods, and she said she didn't know with a frustrared look on he face, like they shouldn't be selling it.
Last month I went to Trader Joe's ansd there was a big sign next to the soy
stating something like "This Soy has NOT been Genetically Modified", so that tells me that more people must be aware of it and aren't purchasing it.
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I had a facial done at Whole Foods store last year, the facialist was from London, England and she had a line of skin care products which contained soy. While she was putting the cream on my face she asked me if I ate soy and said no, I read about the dangers and wouldn't eat it if I could avoid it (it's hard to do with so many products containing it). She told me she was so glad I don't eat it because it draws everything out of your system, that's why she uses it on the skin, to draw impurities out. In addition, she said many people don't know it's unhealthy, and she was glad I wasn't one of them!
My sister, who was with me, asked her if soy is so unhealthy, why are they selling it at Whole Foods, and she said she didn't know with a frustrared look on he face, like they shouldn't be selling it.
Last month I went to Trader Joe's ansd there was a big sign next to the soy
stating something like "This Soy has NOT been Genetically Modified", so that tells me that more people must be aware of it and aren't purchasing it.
flowergirl2day
08-23-2007, 11:48 AM
I stay away from soy because it's genetically modified in the U.S., the problem with soy is the processing.
This is so very true! Many food products are modified before they end up in supermarkets and then on our tables being consumed by the unsuspecting public.
I read a book recently, titled What to Eat. What an eye opener! It described some of the processes our food undergoes during production and/or after harvest. The practices some food manufacturers use these days are simply scary. Genetic modification of soya beans was mentioned, of course. I have never been into consuming soy products and would definitely stay away from them now. There's been a lot of recent controversy concerning these soy products.
FG
This is so very true! Many food products are modified before they end up in supermarkets and then on our tables being consumed by the unsuspecting public.
I read a book recently, titled What to Eat. What an eye opener! It described some of the processes our food undergoes during production and/or after harvest. The practices some food manufacturers use these days are simply scary. Genetic modification of soya beans was mentioned, of course. I have never been into consuming soy products and would definitely stay away from them now. There's been a lot of recent controversy concerning these soy products.
FG
Amy26
08-23-2007, 02:15 PM
Oye its all so confusing.... what exactly does genetically mutated mean anyways?
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08-24-2007, 02:54 AM
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jacal5
08-24-2007, 09:23 AM
Estimates suggest that 80% of the U.S. soy production have altered genetic codes which makes soy more able to withstand higher doses of pesticides and herbicides. Soy processing can include an alkaline bath which may result in high quantities of lysinoalanine (carcinogenic/cancer causing) and aluminum
in the end product purchased by the consumer.
To answer your previous question regarding how soy can cause osteoporosis,
cancer, and thyroid trouble see below:
Osteoporosis = soy contains phytic acid which blocks the absorption of key minerals including calcium.
Thyroid Function = soy contains goitrogen which depressess thyroid function.
Cancer = soy contains photoestrogen which can speed up the division of cancer cells that depend on estrogen for their growth.
Sale estimates of soy products are 100 billion dollars world-wide, big business for farmers, 60% of our food supply contains soy!!!!!!
If you are consuming processsed foods you are probably getting enough unhealthy soy without adding more to your diet with soymilk and other soy products.
I hope my post answered your questions and enables you to make an informed decision regarding your food choices.
Good Luck!
in the end product purchased by the consumer.
To answer your previous question regarding how soy can cause osteoporosis,
cancer, and thyroid trouble see below:
Osteoporosis = soy contains phytic acid which blocks the absorption of key minerals including calcium.
Thyroid Function = soy contains goitrogen which depressess thyroid function.
Cancer = soy contains photoestrogen which can speed up the division of cancer cells that depend on estrogen for their growth.
Sale estimates of soy products are 100 billion dollars world-wide, big business for farmers, 60% of our food supply contains soy!!!!!!
If you are consuming processsed foods you are probably getting enough unhealthy soy without adding more to your diet with soymilk and other soy products.
I hope my post answered your questions and enables you to make an informed decision regarding your food choices.
Good Luck!
flowergirl2day
08-24-2007, 12:51 PM
Great post, Jacal!
I think it covers all the important issues regarding the use of soy products that everyone should be aware of. Thanks for taking the time. :)
FG
I think it covers all the important issues regarding the use of soy products that everyone should be aware of. Thanks for taking the time. :)
FG
jacal5
08-25-2007, 09:19 AM
Thanks Flower!
When I see people in the supermarket or health food stores buying a soy product I want to warn them about the possible side effects and tell them not to purchase it. I really have to restrain myself to keep quiet!
The reality is most of us are consuming soy daily in processed foods. Mom likes chocolate cake, and when she brings it home from the supermarket I tell her she isn't eating cake, she eating an Americanized form of soy (the cake had 4 soy ingredients listed). I picture a bunch of soybeans laced with pesticides on the plate, instead of the imposter sitting on the plate in the shape of a cake, and I lose all temptation to eat it.
Mom has digestive problems and doesn't eat beans, but I tell her she is eating soybeans everyday in her bread, baked goods, etc., and maybe that's one of the reasons her digestive problems continue.
I think it's so disgusting that soy and soy derivatives are contained in so many of our products, and some of the products you would never expect to see soy listed, like Italian bread, peanut butter, and chocolate. Consumers should leave all products with soy/soy derivitives on the supermarket shelf.
When I see people in the supermarket or health food stores buying a soy product I want to warn them about the possible side effects and tell them not to purchase it. I really have to restrain myself to keep quiet!
The reality is most of us are consuming soy daily in processed foods. Mom likes chocolate cake, and when she brings it home from the supermarket I tell her she isn't eating cake, she eating an Americanized form of soy (the cake had 4 soy ingredients listed). I picture a bunch of soybeans laced with pesticides on the plate, instead of the imposter sitting on the plate in the shape of a cake, and I lose all temptation to eat it.
Mom has digestive problems and doesn't eat beans, but I tell her she is eating soybeans everyday in her bread, baked goods, etc., and maybe that's one of the reasons her digestive problems continue.
I think it's so disgusting that soy and soy derivatives are contained in so many of our products, and some of the products you would never expect to see soy listed, like Italian bread, peanut butter, and chocolate. Consumers should leave all products with soy/soy derivitives on the supermarket shelf.