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Dark Stranger
08-24-2007, 05:19 PM
I'm quite certain I have low metabolism and it's something I think I've always had . I've read information on how to deal with it...many sources advise against dieting of any sort because it allegedly slows down the metabolism (which i think is crap). So, people with low metabolism are pretty much doomed to remain fat because exercise does nothing and dieting is bad? If someone has low metabolism and eats three meals a day, they'll balloon up like no one's business, so how are people with this condition expected to lose weight (if they want to, that is)?

I know low metabolism can be linked to thyroid problems - is there any way I can boost my thyroid function at home? I've tried telling my mother (whose insurance I am still on) that I might be hypothyroid, but she dismisses my concerns as hypochondria, so I don't think I'll be getting tests done for this anytime soon. I figure if raising my thyroid function myself doesn't even my weight out some, I'll go from there and try to figure out what's going on with me.

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chevyman
08-24-2007, 06:07 PM
hi,
I understand what your saying but my advised would be see a Dr.
Do you have trouble eating low calories? portion size it ect,,ect,, and your staying hungry to much?
walking is great exercise and helps with the metab, but if your having trouble lowering your food intake and its to hard for you do that, maybe you should see a Dr, or maybe reserch this on the net.
I know for some people lowering there calories is not good for them, but with that said thats the only thing you can do to lose weight, unless you go on Atkins or the meat diets.
If you find your problem let us all know what you found out.
I Wish you the best.

Dark Stranger
08-25-2007, 03:40 AM
Chevyman, let me see if I can answer your questions:

Do you have trouble eating low calories? portion size it ect,,ect,, and your staying hungry to much?

Yes - I get hungry about every 4-6 hours (as in 4-6 hours after I wake up or eat my previous meal), which I assume is normal. If I don't eat until I'm satiated - which my portions may vary depending on how hungry I feel - then I will continue to have the munchies until I satisfy my cravings. So...yes, I have trouble eating few calories and yes, I do still feel hungry at times.

walking is great exercise and helps with the metab,

I would do this, but I sweat more than the average person, and I absolutely loathe when my shirt sticks to my back and I haven't another one to change into.

I know for some people lowering there calories is not good for them, but with that said thats the only thing you can do to lose weight, unless you go on Atkins or the meat diets.

Yes - I think the people you speak of are those who are severely underweight. I have found through my own diets that the only way I can lose weight is if I cut calories significantly (as in less than 1000 a day, with some days eating nothing at all). I don't trust conventional diets, especially after hearing the Atkins diet is rather bad for you (no carbs, but unlimited fatty meats? I'm not convinced it works).

I'd consider gastric bypass, but I would not meet the requirements even for that because I'm not morbidly obese - I believe I'm right on the margin between overweight and obese.

I have researched thyroid problems, and I seem to have only a couple of the symptoms of hypothyroidism (sensitivity to cold, brittle nails, dry skin only on the legs, low metabolism) and I know there are loads of symptoms...which is why I'm reluctant to get my thyroid tested. I know if I talked my mom into getting me tested and it turned out to not be my thyroid, I'd never hear the end of it.

Does anything else cause low metabolism besides thyroid issues? I know all the women in my family are short and heavy-set, so perhaps I have some kind of genetic predisposition to weight problems? My diet is really not all that bad - I eat ramen (college student, so this is pretty much a staple), cereal, Pop Tarts, occasional junk food like a cupcake or a can of soda (no more than one a day), and I usually have pizza at least once a week (bad habit, I know)...sooo, it could be a lot better, but it could also be a lot worse. I try to limit my soda intake to a can a day - I drink lots of water, milk, and juice, both artificially sugared and naturally.

rubato
08-25-2007, 02:48 PM
Hi. I just wanted to address some of your issues in your last post.

Getting hungry every 4 to 6 hours is normal. So, it sounds like that part is good.

If you don't like to have a sweaty back, walk before you start your day and then shower afterwards. Chevy is right about the exercise. It's a great metabolism booster. For every mile you walk, you burn about 100 calories.

Your diet is where your weight issues are coming from. Here's what you said you eat every day and how many calories your consuming.

soda: 140 calories (I'm assuming it's a can of sugared, not diet)

pop tarts: 400 or so depending on the type. I couldn't find one under 203 calories per pop tart and they come in packs of 2

ramen: 380 calories per package, but that's not the scaryiest part. The sodium is 1820mg per package. That's terrifying to me.

cereal: That depends on the brand, but even something considered healthy like Cheerios has 120 calories per cup. A standard bowl holds 2 cups. So, without milk, that's 240.

milk: 1 cup is 80 for skim. I don't know what the others are.

juice: this has as many calories as soda. For 8 oz(1 cup) of apple juice, you get around 120 calories.


So, if you were to add up one can of soda, a cup of juice, a bowl of cereal with skim milk, a package of ramen and a 2 pack of pop tarts, you're looking at 1320 calories. That's not counting the cupcake or the pizza. Nowhere in this list was a natural food. Where are the fruits, veggies, and meats? Trust me, I know what it's like to be a struggling college student. I've been there. But, there are choices to make.

Anyway, before I started looking at my thyroid, I'd try changing some other things about my life. It scares me to think of people taking thyroid hormone supplement who may not need it. Even those of us who do, have to get our levels checked every 3-6 months to make sure we're still taking the proper dosage.

Hope some of this helps!:)

Dark Stranger
08-26-2007, 03:59 PM
Ehh, 100 calories isn't a whole lot. If exercise is a must, I can play Dance Dance Revolution in my apartment. And just for the record, DDR has a special 'exercise mode' that counts the calories you burn based on how many steps you hit...and, according to this, I can easily burn 100 calories. I'd consider swimming, but whoever said swimming is 'an easy way to lose weight that isn't tiring' is full of crap, because I'm huffing and puffing for air after a single lap. :mad:

I also don't drink soda every single day - I, however, do not allow myself more than one can a day (not only because of the sugar content, but because too much caffeine in a day triggers headaches).

Pop Tarts, I only will eat one in one sitting, since that is the serving size. Can't really get away from ramen, though - sometimes I need to settle for it when I'm running low on money, and I go to the supermarket rarely because of how far away it is (no car).

For cereal, sometimes I eat the sugary kinds like Apple Jacks or Oreo O's, but I also eat bran...I know some people here are convinced that bran is as awful for me as the commercial sugary brands, but I still eat it because I like the taste and it offers far more vitamins than XYZ Sugar-Frosted Flakes. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but don't high-fiber foods like BRAN cereal burn calories faster than simple carbs? Also, I drink reduced fat milk (don't like skim).

As far as fruit...I sometimes get 100% grape juice (don't eat much real fruit), I eat rice, broccoli and onions, and sometimes I'll get chicken tenderloins or ground turkey (or eat chicken-filled Hot Pockets - not the best option, but it's still meat). Also, I've tried the whole 'eat 4-6 small meals every 2-3 hours' crap, and it made me gain weight.

Perhaps when I go back home, I'll just talk to my doctor about this issue, because, as said, I don't envision my mother taking me seriously about my thyroid getting checked. But thanks for the advice anyway.

daftcowmoo
08-27-2007, 09:45 AM
I think you need to have a balance between diet and exercise. What about a swim once a week? Also, try to eat a healthy breakfast in the mornings, that kick starts yor metabolism. I too have a slow metabolism. Try some low fat cereal with some skimmed milk. Or even a fresh fruit smoothie (I love those kind of breakfasts). Im afriad the only way around it is to eat a healthy diet, which everyone should be doing anyway but I know as well as the next person that habits are hard to break).

Why not do what Ive done and make an appointment to see a dietician if thats possible? Talk it all over with them and they will help you come up with a practical way around things.

Ali xxx

Dark Stranger
08-28-2007, 10:51 AM
There's really nowhere I can swim - I don't trust public pools because I don't want to be swimming through someone else's waste (no matter how much you hope, someone's always going to pee in the pool, or idiot parents bring their infants in the pool and they soil themselves). Also am not good at lifting weights, for some reason - lifting my cat is sometimes a hassle (he's 20+ pounds, but still). I've tried low-degree aerobics, which tired me out in less than a half hour. Soooo...I've established that exercise is worthless and that the only way I can lose weight is through diet changes.

As far as breakfast...it depends on when I wake up - if I wake up later than 11, I wait until noon to eat and say it's lunch. Sometimes I don't have time in the morning for breakfast (when I have class). I also don't have a blender, so I can't make smoothies for myself.

I actually tried eating a healthy diet a few months ago, and it was miserable. Granted, it was nice knowing a large, filling meal of vegetables was only about 100 calories, but I'm just so used to eating junk food...I like veggies, but not every darn day!

desiii
08-28-2007, 01:04 PM
OK, first of all, you can do a home test to see how you're thyroid is doing. You will need a decent basal thermometer. What you do is check your temp first thing when you wake up, before you have any liquids or food. Write it down. Then you check it again about mid-day. Make sure you've had nothing to drink for at least 1/2 hr before you take it. Write it down. Then do it again before bed. Track your temp three times/day for at least a week, and do an average of the day at the end of each day. If it's consistently lower than normal every day, there's a very good chance your thyroid is underactive. Oh, also, it's best to do this test when you're not ovulating as that will raise your temp for a day or two.

As for your foods, yes there is a problem there for sure. If you just did one thing different - cut out the soda pop completely, you'd most likely see a difference in your weight. And keep in mind that diet sodas can mess up your liver and also are loaded with sodium, which will cause water retention. So they're really not any better.

As for being hungry, I understand that very well. Hormones can play a part in this. Women are much more proned to suffer from a minor type of hypoglycemia from time to time, which means we need to eat regularly and really watch our sugar intake. Sugar causes our blood sugar levels to spike and then drop very low. When they drop, we feel hungry. So, I would highly recommend that you look for higher protein/lower sugar snacks in the future. Try things like nuts & seeds instead of a pop tart. Much more filling and so much better for you. Also, try to get a protein in for breakfast if you can. (For example, if you eat at the caf, have eggs for breakfast). That helps balance your blood sugars and give you energy for the whole day. Also, IF, and ONLY IF you decide to cut out the sugary treats, you could actually increase your oils and fats a bit. This helps keep you full for longer as well.

As for low carb diets, they are only good if you do them correctly. For something like Atkins you have to buy the book, read it, and follow it. I know because I've done it with great success. Unfortunately, many people don't do it properly and end up unhealthy. It's actually a huge commitment, but it does work. So I don't recommend it if you're not serious about a lifestyle change when it comes to food. But you can still cut down on your sugars and increase your proteins, and I really think you'll see a big difference. Also, be sure to drink lots of water every day. It helps to fill you up, and also helps to wash calories and impurities out.

Exercise? You need to take the time to find out what you enjoy. For some it's weight lifting, for some it's biking, or walking, or playing tennis, etc. The key is finding what YOU like, whatever that may be, and then working it into your weekly routine.

Best of luck! I know it's hard at college. But it can be done with a little creativity.

daftcowmoo
08-28-2007, 01:36 PM
To be honest..I think youre making excuses. I do it all the time so I can spot the signs! Stop worrying and go swimming, youre not going to catch anything. Thats why they put chlorine in the water...

Saying you don't have time for breakfast is also an excuse. Get up 15 minutes earlier every morning...its amazing how much you can fit into that extra 15 mins. By doing this I can fit in a shower and a cereal breakfast, and a banana!

You could also try to pick up a cheap blender in a sale or something. Cut out the small things first. Switch to a low fat spread instead of butter...eat lower fat crisps...switch to diet soda or even better, fruit juice or water! The key is taking things slowly. Make small changes do you wont notice them. Someone offers you a chocolate and you think "its only a few cals" - don;t take it because afterall it IS only a few cals and you wont miss them.

I found it really hard to change my eating habits but I managed it. I used to miss my crisps and chocolate but I don't now. I still eat them but not nearly as much as I used to and I feel the benefits! The key is persistence. If you really want to do it you will...

If you want to do something enough you will FIND a way...if you don't you will make excuses!

modert
08-28-2007, 03:29 PM
To be honest..I think youre making excuses. I do it all the time so I can spot the signs! Stop worrying and go swimming, youre not going to catch anything. Thats why they put chlorine in the water...

Saying you don't have time for breakfast is also an excuse. Get up 15 minutes earlier every morning...its amazing how much you can fit into that extra 15 mins. By doing this I can fit in a shower and a cereal breakfast, and a banana!

You could also try to pick up a cheap blender in a sale or something. Cut out the small things first. Switch to a low fat spread instead of butter...eat lower fat crisps...switch to diet soda or even better, fruit juice or water! The key is taking things slowly. Make small changes do you wont notice them. Someone offers you a chocolate and you think "its only a few cals" - don;t take it because afterall it IS only a few cals and you wont miss them.

I found it really hard to change my eating habits but I managed it. I used to miss my crisps and chocolate but I don't now. I still eat them but not nearly as much as I used to and I feel the benefits! The key is persistence. If you really want to do it you will...

If you want to do something enough you will FIND a way...if you don't you will make excuses!

very well said... been there done that myself. It's all true.

Dark Stranger
08-29-2007, 08:41 PM
What you do is check your temp first thing when you wake up, before you have any liquids or food. Write it down. Then you check it again about mid-day. Make sure you've had nothing to drink for at least 1/2 hr before you take it. Write it down. Then do it again before bed. Track your temp three times/day for at least a week, and do an average of the day at the end of each day. If it's consistently lower than normal every day, there's a very good chance your thyroid is underactive. Oh, also, it's best to do this test when you're not ovulating as that will raise your temp for a day or two.

I know every single time I've gone to the hospital and had my temperature taken, it was at least one degree below the typical 98.6...the doctor/nurse/whoever never said anything about it, so perhaps it was nothing. I guess one degree isn't a big deal.

To be honest..I think youre making excuses. I do it all the time so I can spot the signs! Stop worrying and go swimming, youre not going to catch anything. Thats why they put chlorine in the water...

I should also mention I'm also not very fond of chlorine, or being in public in a swimsuit.

Saying you don't have time for breakfast is also an excuse. Get up 15 minutes earlier every morning...its amazing how much you can fit into that extra 15 mins. By doing this I can fit in a shower and a cereal breakfast, and a banana!

True, but there are times when I need to be up late because I'm finishing work - sometimes at the last minute, sometimes not. I tend to choose to sleep for those extra fifteen minutes as opposed to eating. Besides, I'm never hungry in the morning and see no reason to eat. Doesn't eating when you're not hungry cause your appetite to increase and cause you to potentially eat more?

You could also try to pick up a cheap blender in a sale or something. Cut out the small things first. Switch to a low fat spread instead of butter...eat lower fat crisps...switch to diet soda or even better, fruit juice or water! The key is taking things slowly. Make small changes do you wont notice them. Someone offers you a chocolate and you think "its only a few cals" - don;t take it because afterall it IS only a few cals and you wont miss them.

I do drink water and juices - as said, soda is a treat for me. I don't drink it by the liter daily. And I've tried making smoothies - I can't stand them unless I load them up with sugar, and even then sometimes they're disgusting...I think that might kind of destroy the purpose of watching my calories, would it not? Although one drink I've found to be wonderful and very low-calorie is a name-brand raspberry-flavored drink mix with the powder in individual packets. There's only about 10 calories per packet (which is actually 2 servings, but I don't care) and it's wonderful.

There's also times when I'm running very low on money (former and current college students know what I mean) and sometimes I need to think about how far my food will carry me - so I may opt to get eight packs of ramen for 25 cents each as opposed to a pound of broccoli for two dollars. And, after eating nothing but veggies for about three weeks during my previous bout of dieting, I'm pretty darn sick of veggies.

Also, as far as the Atkins diet...I really do not trust it. The way it works is to induce ketosis, which can turn out to be extremely bad (as in fatal) - no thanks.

But thanks all for the advice...I suppose. :)

daftcowmoo
08-30-2007, 08:39 AM
I know every single time I've gone to the hospital and had my temperature taken, it was at least one degree below the typical 98.6...the doctor/nurse/whoever never said anything about it, so perhaps it was nothing. I guess one degree isn't a big deal.



I should also mention I'm also not very fond of chlorine, or being in public in a swimsuit.



True, but there are times when I need to be up late because I'm finishing work - sometimes at the last minute, sometimes not. I tend to choose to sleep for those extra fifteen minutes as opposed to eating. Besides, I'm never hungry in the morning and see no reason to eat. Doesn't eating when you're not hungry cause your appetite to increase and cause you to potentially eat more?



I do drink water and juices - as said, soda is a treat for me. I don't drink it by the liter daily. And I've tried making smoothies - I can't stand them unless I load them up with sugar, and even then sometimes they're disgusting...I think that might kind of destroy the purpose of watching my calories, would it not? Although one drink I've found to be wonderful and very low-calorie is a name-brand raspberry-flavored drink mix with the powder in individual packets. There's only about 10 calories per packet (which is actually 2 servings, but I don't care) and it's wonderful.

There's also times when I'm running very low on money (former and current college students know what I mean) and sometimes I need to think about how far my food will carry me - so I may opt to get eight packs of ramen for 25 cents each as opposed to a pound of broccoli for two dollars. And, after eating nothing but veggies for about three weeks during my previous bout of dieting, I'm pretty darn sick of veggies.

Also, as far as the Atkins diet...I really do not trust it. The way it works is to induce ketosis, which can turn out to be extremely bad (as in fatal) - no thanks.

But thanks all for the advice...I suppose. :)


You don't need to eat veggies ALL the time! Im losing weight JUST by cutting out sweets and chips. You can pig out at the weekend as long as you behave during the week. Anyway, I also work late and some nights I am not home till well after 11pm, and I am back up at 7.30am in the morning. I suffer from insomnia too and sometimes struggle to get a few hours sleep. An extra 15 minutes sleep doesnt really do much anyway.

Is it true that eating when youre not hungry isnt good. However, little and often is the key. You need to eat a healthy breakfast first thing in the morning to actually switch on your metabolism. So by NOT having any breakfast youre actually slowing it down even more. You should be aiming to eat a small meal every three to four hours during the day.

I will also point out that all the info I am giving you is what my dietician is giving me.

Finally, I, too have money worries and struggle to pay my bills some months. But I still try to eat a healthy diet. Its not all fruit and veggies.





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