Can anyone tell me if my mold relatedhealth problems coild possibly be related to snow mold? Is this mold on the grass dangerous as it must come in on your shoes, etc. The kids are always on the lawn. Apparently it is dorment in the hot weather but spring and fall is bad and it thrives under the snow.

Any advice would be helpful as I am allergic to fungicides and don't know what to do. Thanks

thanks for the name, I didn't know that nasty stuff had a name.

Hulda Clark (Cure for All Diseases) says that vitamin C detoxifies mold. If you don't have kidney disease you might want to try a non-corn based buffered vitamin C powder in water to drink.

I am severely allergic to mold. I must be very careful not to be contaminated. I use vitamin C to clean food from mold. Never used it on clothing, didn't know you could do that. I'd be interested in learning more about that. I use GSE (grapefruit seed extract) products in those situations as this is what my Dr. taught me to do. They work so long as it's not contaminated with one of the molds I am super allergic to. In those situations I decontaminate by disposing of items in question. Golden rule: Never, ever bring anything contaminated with bad molds into my living space/car or I will get sick again. Textiles are especially susceptible to contamination as spores love them. Also paper.
Could your kids leave shoes outside? I have habit now of taking shoes off when first enter and then spraying them w/ GSE solution in order to minimize this very type of thing.
Hope this helps.
Be well,
S-

Hi Share,

I will be thinking about your last post some more, but a few things come to mind right now.

I have always had reservations about the use of things like GSE because although it is natural it is still in the realm of poison. In Traditional Chinese Medicine they use 3 things to treat: Food, Tonics and Poison. The last one is a last resort.

So, keeping the idea in mind to build up the body as oppossed to trying to get rid of something inside of it I thought of the use of Zinc. Now, I can fully appreciate sensitivity to musty old books, but if you can get a copy of Mental and Elemental Nutrients by Carl C. Pfeiffer, 1975 you will get a better picture of the judicious use of minerals. The idea is to give the body what it needs without overwhelming it. This is the first book I ever read that said that the use of vitamins and minerals in not for life because they can actually work against you over time. Personally, I favor the use of Zinc Picolinate. I buy a form that has NO EXCIPIENTS. If you read labels a lot have things like rice flour and you will just be exposing yourself to a dozen molds from that alone. I DO NOT take Zinc every day as it competes with copper and other elements.

Zinc can be thought of as a Food and a Tonic as it will help to build the immune system. Mold does not like zinc taken in the body. Mold does not like zinc as a mineral outside the body. It is so hard to get useful products these days and chemical companies will not sell to you directly so I go through the family pharmacist to get things like Zinc oxide powder. You might find this as an active ingredient in foot powder, etc. but it will probably also be tainted with talcum powder and scents. Talc, by the way, always has traces of asbestos.

I have been working on an unpublished theory that such severe reactions like you experience are because there is something inside your body that does not like what is getting in.

Have you done any programs (like Candida cures) other than the GSE?

Can you think of any particular exposures that might have caused your current problem? For example: I know that I was exposed to moldy old carpets when my lungs were damaged by smoke when I was a kid; and then as an adult I got exposed to aggressive mold in the jungle.

The final idea I have without thinking too hard is to look into a Vitamin D lamp. Vitamin D builds the immune system (we've all been damaged if you've had even just one vaccine) and if you have a topical fungal problem the Ultraviolet is the other thing that mold does not like. This is not something you should do without knowing what you are doing. (Insert: Ask your Doctor, see your doctor disclaimer here)

Greetings Mold Man:

I'm having trouble calling you that. I respect your choice for a user name it's just kinda weird to say that to you now that you have written to me. You see, to me, your perspective, your writing are the words of a healer. Just kind of a strange association for me, that's all.....

I appreciate your time and willingness to share your knowing.

I do need help. What I am doing w/ GSE has been beneficial for me but the help is fraught with problems as I have developed sensitivity to it. Has been of great concern. I also do not like using poisons, anywhere on anybody.

The last serious mold hit I took was in a library, woman sat next to me for 5 minutes. I was engulfed in a cloud of toxic mold spore. Made the mistake of standing there (inside, not outside as I should) too long to tell her, "I'm a mold geiger counter, you have it in your home, need to test, etc." Turns out she needed the info very badly as she and her son are both quite sick. You could see the light bulb go off. I'm glad I helped her, I just need to make sure I take better care of me next time. Took 2 weeks to recover and am still more chemical sensitive, have active yeast again, allergies in general are hotter. Feels like thyroid was impacted as well. Adrenals are better now. Joints were really hurting -- neurological (buzzing in hands & feet) has finally stopped. Loss of coordination, vision, short term memory and mental clarity were also affected. That has improved, more normal. Of course that begs the question, what exactly is normal now? Certainly not what it could be. So I need to change, improve what I am doing.

I also must ask, is this a safe place for me to live? Mold people (what I call those who live or work in a high mold count like I used to) are everywhere. I have to remember, I encountered them in the southwest too. Isn't that bizarre? But all too true. The West -- swamp coolers, wanton chemical use, and black mold. Took one of the worst hits ever in Flagstaff,AZ and Tuscon is so full of mold, Pima County now has outdoor monitoring stations for it!

I have concluded what I must do is -- HEAL. Stay out of mold, keep my distance from mold people. Is kinda hard to do and still be in the world. I have given up visiting people I care about as they live in mold. I cannot stay with those closest to me because of mold growth in their homes or residue from previous places they've lived, etc. Can you say, Share is super sensitive to the damn stuff?

I hate mold. And what I call the little monsters, yeast overgrowth in my body.

Am open to better and better ways to accomplish quality of life. And to exercising outside as much as possible. Really helps me feel better on all counts.

I want to respond to your queries and suggestions, I just need a break from my computer. A brisk walk will do me wonders. Am obviously getting mad about what has/is happening to me, need to clear myself. There is other stuff going on Mold Man. Starting over again can be an exciting adventure but it also is a giant pain in the a--! Grumble, grumble. Could be worse. I could be homeless.....

Be well,
S-

I'm having trouble calling you that. I respect your choice for a user name it's just kinda weird to say that to you now that you have written to me. You see, to me, your perspective, your writing are the words of a healer. Just kind of a strange association for me, that's all.....

No Worries as they say Down Under. I'm just trying to steal power from what steals power from me. (Quite literally. There are several kinds of fatigue. One is a metabolic fatigue at a cellular level that can be caused by many things including environmental toxins. Another is just overwork. And another is just lack of go-juice from adrenals being squeezed dry trying to cope with all of the above)

I appreciate your time and willingness to share your knowing.

You wouldn't believe how much I have learned from people on this site just sharing what they go through even if they don't know what it is they are going through or why. Knowledge is power. In fact, the most I learned is from a <removed> woman who called herself a Canary and listed EVERYTHING that she went through to try to get better. I used her work coupled with a dozen textbooks and found some missing links. I will be passing those on below.[/COLOR]
I do need help. What I am doing w/ GSE has been beneficial for me but the help is fraught with problems as I have developed sensitivity to it. Has been of great concern. I also do not like using poisons, anywhere on anybody.

What you are describing would make everybody with MCS give a wry smile and shake their heads going "Spreading Phenomena". Seems once the cascade starts it branches out into other things that you were not sensitive to before. Who knew that eating a homegrown organic pear (one of my favorite fruits) could drop my BP to 80/60 and make me think my heart was going to stop? You feel the world getting pretty small when even food starts working against you.

The last serious mold hit I took was in a library,

Don't get me started on libraries. The repositories of human knowlege that should be a haven for people like us that need reference to sort out the madness and just with the musty paper, toxic printing ink, and sizing (the stuff that they coat the paper with that ranges from pesticides in National Geographic to the smell of sour milk in really cheap presses) its not fit for man nor beast THEN you couple it with the innocent patrons who come in wheeling their babies in strollers and you nearly pass out because they have some STEALTH SCENT that you can't even get a warning off of by smelling it in time to get away because quite a number of chemicals HAVE NO ODOR.



woman sat next to me for 5 minutes. I was engulfed in a cloud of toxic mold spore. Made the mistake of standing there (inside, not outside as I should) too long to tell her, "I'm a mold geiger counter, you have it in your home, need to test, etc." Turns out she needed the info very badly as she and her son are both quite sick. You could see the light bulb go off. I'm glad I helped her, I just need to make sure I take better care of me next time.

Been there done that. (Not an affectation as I have been to Australia and yes, the water does run down in the opposite direction) I fully understand the need to look out for #1 but in a way you were doing that by sharing what you know. You may be able to help someone else break the cycle and that will be an entire family that could prevent contaminating your airspace in the future. I think the toughest people in the world are sick people because they have to cope with their crap and everyone elses at the same time.

Took 2 weeks to recover and am still more chemical sensitive,

The most important thing my Clinical Ecology Doctor told me was to keep a journal. You can track exposures (it lets you find and avoid things that you may not be aware of). I will keep reminding you that the exotoxins from mold are indeed chemicals, so, although it is necessary and proper to identify WHAT is making you ill it is also helpful to understand WHY you are ill. It also sooths the mind to know that there are not a MILLION things that are out there to get you, there is just a FAMILY of things (Chemicals) to which you are reactive. Hopefully, you will come to understand what I mean as time goes by - because, especially, in the world of microbes there are certain things that they don't like, so if you can harmonize your body's environment to have what they don't like (Zinc, Sulfur, etc.) then you have a even playing field to fight back.


have active yeast again,

Take some time to explain why you think you have (I assume systemic) a yeast (I assume Candida Albicans) problem. I am aware that a lot of people read the books on Yeast and their profiles match everything the questionaire says; but no one I have talked to has had any clinical verification of systemic candidiasis. Now, realize that I know you can have a bad lab test, subclinical presentation, etc. But I always try to reference what is going on with something demonstrable. The biggest obstacle to this is money. If you are sick you can't work, if you can't work you can't get the kind of care you need...
allergies in general are hotter. Feels like thyroid was impacted as well.

When I can afford it I buy organic seaweed in bulk from Maine. It is loaded with trace minerals and Iodine. Practically all landlocked Americans are deficient in Iodine. My favorite quote from a nutrition book is that lack of Iodine leads to low intellect and no ambition. I am still looking into the safety of Potassium Iodide as found in salt as there is conflicting ideas on whether it is effective or safe. My favorite labels are things like the nutrition drinks that have Salt Form minerals (sodium selenite, copper sulfate, etc.) because they meet federal guidelines but are totally unassimilateable (sp?)

Adrenals are better now.

Do you do anything special for your adrenals or does rest restore them? I have to treat mine with Whole Adrenal glandular (frowned on by vegan/vegetarians) and occaisionally Chromium Picolinate. It is important to emphasize that these trace minerals can build up and become toxic so it is never: One Asprin is Good a Whole Bottle Might Be Better scenario. I also use a Cassava based vitamin C powder. I have had no success with megadoses (recommeded 2 grams) vitamin B(? brain fade) also known as Pantothenic acid or its super expensive active co-enzyme form (? still can't remember). But I do occaisionally take a B-complex with active forms of some of the vitamins.

Some people's genetic makeup won't let them activate B-6 so they have to take P-5-P (Pyridoxal 5 Phosphate). Pyridoxine Hydrochloride is totally useless if you can't convert it. Things got so bad for me that I started getting a crack in the corner of my mouth (after farm pesticide spraying) and ONLY the active form of Riboflavin (Riboflavin 5 Phosphate) would make it go away. I know if I went to a doc they would give me a salve and tell me to live with it, but I have a pre-drug industry mania book on vitamins and it showed the exact picture of what I had and how to correct it. The problem is that modern medicine does not believe that Americans can have vitamin deficiencies which is an article of faith not science.


Joints were really hurting -- neurological (buzzing in hands & feet) has finally stopped. Loss of coordination, vision, short term memory and mental clarity were also affected.

What you just describe is directly out of Theron Randolph's description of the advanced stage of chemical sensitivity. The blood brain barrier protects the CNS from the outside world. I assume that these things can happen over time or instantly. It could very well be that the outside world is getting in. I am scrambling to find out how to correct the damage (very difficult when modern cell biology is based on false premises) and trying to stem the tide inbetween. The major thing for me was a Histamine response that took out my higher functions. Histamine among other things is a neurotransmitter and can drop you like a rock if it is out of whack.

That has improved, more normal. Of course that begs the question, what exactly is normal now?

I have a friend who is a Chiropractor who said that if people were 'normal' they would all be sick because the world is so toxic.

Certainly not what it could be. So I need to change, improve what I am doing.

I also must ask, is this a safe place for me to live?

There is no safe place. The Desert Southwest is where everyone went to get cured Back In The Day, but then they wrote back East to say what wonderful place it was so everyone else moved out there, but they missed the things they were familiar with out East so they brought all the things that made them sick with them and the cycle started all over again. Theron Randolph made an astounding discovery that Allergy and Addiction are the SAME THING. This is why they brought their sick-making things with them. There is Oleander (yes the poisonous plant) used as median plantings along the roadsides from California to Arizona. I couldn't live in those states if I wanted to. The recommendation of Clincal Ecologists is to create a safe Oasis in your own home. Fix roof leaks, dry up your basement/crawlspace, vent your bathroom, CLEAN YOUR GUTTERS (I found that out the hard way). I pour vinegar down my sink drains to keep microbes from growing.


Mold people (what I call those who live or work in a high mold count like I used to) are everywhere. I have to remember, I encountered them in the southwest too. Isn't that bizarre? But all too true. The West -- swamp coolers, wanton chemical use, and black mold. Took one of the worst hits ever in Flagstaff,AZ and Tuscon is so full of mold, Pima County now has outdoor monitoring stations for it!

I have concluded what I must do is -- HEAL. Stay out of mold, keep my distance from mold people. Is kinda hard to do and still be in the world. I have given up visiting people I care about as they live in mold. I cannot stay with those closest to me because of mold growth in their homes or residue from previous places they've lived, etc. Can you say, Share is super sensitive to the damn stuff?

I hate mold. And what I call the little monsters, yeast overgrowth in my body.

Am open to better and better ways to accomplish quality of life. And to exercising outside as much as possible. Really helps me feel better on all counts.

Here is what I learned from the Canary who was ALLERGIC to sulfur. I reacted to sulfur containing things like amino acids, eggs, garlic, onions, etc due to Arsenic exposure in industry. It took YEARS of finding the right supplements with the right formulas to get to a point where I could tolerate them. First, the supplements have to be free of extra crap (excipients) that you might react to. Then, you have to find the ones that get the right metabolic stage to you so that your body does not have to convert it. I had great success with a form of B1 called Allithiamine or Thiamine Tetrahydrofurfuryl Disulfide.

Do you know how many YEARS and study it took just to <discover> information on a protocol for Autistic kids that treated conditions that were identical to MCS?

But it helped. It smells like the inside of a steel belted radial tire, but it gets the sulfur where it needs to be with no intermediates. Now, I can eat garlic (couldn't for years despite all of the health gurus who say it is good for you). I gave up the Allithiamine for garlic (in keeping with the Chinese concept of food for medicine)


I want to respond to your queries and suggestions, I just need a break from my computer. A brisk walk will do me wonders. Am obviously getting mad about what has/is happening to me, need to clear myself. There is other stuff going on Mold Man. Starting over again can be an exciting adventure but it also is a giant pain in the a--! Grumble, grumble. Could be worse. I could be homeless.....

The Grumble Grumble could be the sign of an overstressed liver (from Chinese Medicine theory) because the toxins have to be processed and sent somewhere. If you can tolerate sulfur based foods it might help in that arena. Sorry this took so much time, but you have to peel back decades of lies to get back to the real problem so that you can start at the souce instead of some Red Herring.


Be well,
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Hi S

I feel for you -- I have high levels of mold mycotoxins in my blood and no way to detox. I can not take cholestrymine and there doesn't seem to be anything else except I agree about Vit C. Since I have Chrons disease I can not tolerate too much Vit C so you see where I am. I had a mastectomy, hyperthyroidism and had to take the radioactive iodine pill to kill off the thyroid -- also severe osteoporosis. Who knows if all these illnesses besides the terrible headaches, chronic sinusitis, unexplained rashes, eczema -- is caused by the mold exposure I had for years.

It cost over $30,000 to remediate and took all the equity loan and the rest of what we had and are left with nothing. Can't even get out of this house now because of lack of funds --- the mold is gone but with the osteoporosis I need a house with a bathroom, kitchen and bedroom all on one floor. My house is a multilevel and do not have that. The doc said I could break turning over in bed so somehow I have to find a ranch or a one floor condo but aside from apartment type condos all the others are 2 floors or have a loft which is where all the heat goes. A friend got one of those and pays $500 in heat during the winter. Hubby doesn't make much and I am going to be 70 and in bad health so I can't work. Sorry to ramble but mold ruined our lives and to think when we bought the house the former owner had taken out the sump pump so we did not know about the water intrusion and we were so stupid we left the wooden partitions in that were there until we finally realized there was mold on the bottom -- 10 years later. I am the one more affected as I was down there doing wash all the time. I was not as sick when I was working. This house is probably cleaner than any other house we could buy as since the remediation I have dehumidifiers, air purifiers going and after water intrusion ( which we can not stop - coming in from underground through the chimney door and it is a free standing chimney on hollow cinder blocks so the mason could not fix it) hubby fogs with concrobium when it dries up just to make sure it stays OK even though the wooden partitions are gone. I'm just making extra sure. I have done some swab samples on my own since then and they have been coming back with no fungi detected, thank goodness.

Hope you feel better.

Hello Ladies,

The stories posted on these boards are simply heartbreaking.

I choked through a text on the Biosynthesis of Mycotoxins A Study in Secondary Metabolites and took notes. (I can't remember anything anymore although I used to be a walking encyclopedia). Like all of the material published today, it is a few hundred pages of appologetics for what they don't know. When I was done I couldn't tell if Phosphates and Tryptophan inhibited the formation of toxic alkaloids or made them worse....I did get the clear impression that whatever assaults they make on our bodies that their actions and our reactions burn up essential materials like amino acids so there is the additional problem of deficiencies after exposure. It also seemed that they provoked a Nitric Oxide effect (NO) (not the laughing gas) as a response by the body to break down the toxins. This seems to be in line with Jeffery Blands work on chemical allergy. I will try to look up the main points of how he proposed to quench the Nitric Oxide.

Suggi, when you brought up Chron's I immediately thought that a large portion of the lymph system is in the large intestine which makes me wonder if that is where you are storing the mycotoxins. There is a difficulty when detoxifying in that Phase 1 adds or subtracts an electron so that they can become ready to be attached to an amino acid Phase 2 and then excreted. If Phase 1 is happening faster than Phase 2 then toxic secondary metabolites can build up and sometimes be worse than the original thing until they get the amino acid attached onto it in the liver then sent to the kidneys to go out. My Phase 2 always lagged my phase 1 so there was a time when I couldn't even tolerate Vitamin C. (At this point I should emphasize that BUFFERED vitamin C is the important thing to have since true Ascorbic Acid can rot your teeth and will probably pull calcium from your bones to buffer it in your body). I lived on liquid amino acids (a natural form of soy sauce - not fermented wheat and soy) and took lots of free form amino acids just to get to a point where vitamin C didn't make me deathly ill.

I highly recommend the postings on the sinus washing/irrigation/lavage. Always start with sterile solution and work your way into cleaning your sinuses when you have difficulty (everything in moderation you can overdo it).

On the topic of eczema I would be grateful to anyone with eczema who reads these posts to let me know if they EVER had a bad reaction to penicillin or other antibiotic (i.e. mold toxin - Share - I told you I would keep reminding you of this until you owned the knowledge. Antibiotics are the exotoxins from molds).

Good Evening:

moldman...suggi... my heart is with you both. I am not able to give you much in the way of advice. I do not have your knowledge or experience. What I am able to share is my willingness to "listen", my sincere wishes for your well being, my prayers for your healing.

Best way I have detoxified is plain old sweating. At one point my sweat was a weird yellowish color. I can always tell when I am detoxifying as it always smells weird, very distinctive odor especially with certain kinds of mold. It also came out in my urine, smelled super bad, was very dark in color. I believe was also from yeast die back. Caused secondary infection in bladder. At one point kidneysn hurt like hell. i just knew it was the mold coming out of me. Fortunately, that has passed. am much, much better now. suggi, hope you will be too.

I appreciate all you are sharing with me.

I am not a fast typist, never learned! All communiques take longer because of this... Hence my mentioning computer time.

Eczema went away when I got out of moldy house. mildly flared up when took hit in library recently, as did itchy ears, sinus congestion,
hay fever, itchy scalp, vaginal yeast, burping, and several other things I can't think of right now. I am allergic to penecillin, tetracycline and had a very serious reaction to one of the mycins, so don't take any of them. I HATE antibiotics and only take when truly desperate and nothing else works. If I never took again, it would be too soon!

I'm in a somewhat precarious situation with my living situation as the place I am in now, is too expensive and not good for mcs.. First time in 3 decades I have to rent. I must buy a used car, has been very difficult, very slow going. Am working on my resume, first time not self employed in 25 years. Is a whole new world out there. So many details, so much information everyone needs. All records were lost to me -- mold contamination. Is tedious and time consuming with no feeling of actually having accomplished anything. I keep plugging away at it....

Good news! Today I skipped rope!!!! First time in many years. Trying to find fun, practical, realistic ways to exercise outside. Tried to get a couple of kids to jump with me but only one would do it. I asked, "Do you know a good skipping song?" They did! Was a similar melody to the one we used when I was their age, let's see that would be app. 40 years ago. Shoot fire! I'm old enough to be that young 'uns Momma! (No kids of my own, just wasn't in the cards...) Anyway, I had fun. Laughed and laughed. Good for my soul. And my body.

Later,
S-
PS moldman, i like that power from what robs you. thanks
for sharing your reasoning. also, i replied to other string, where you asked about all the mold hits i took? i did a quote but it doesn't show up like yours did to me. i need to learn how you did that! works vey well....

Share,

Thanks for the sharing.

Suggi,
Thanks for the concrobium tip. I looked it up. If I can use it (chemical allergies prevent a lot) I will.

moldman

No chemicals -- very non toxic -- don't need any protection to use it and it works. I am allergic to everything and antibiotics -- esp. penicillin. The high mycotoxin levels in me are penicillium, aspergillus, cladasporium, chaetomium and probably others that I could not afford to pay for testing any more -- lab did not take insurance for these tests $600 worth.

The holistic doc that did the tests (regular docs know nothing about mold) wanted to give me 2x weekly Vit C intravenously at $80 a pop (not covered by insurance). Hubby doesn't make much money and besides that -- I only have one arm to work with. Can't use the mastectomy side for blood draw, IVs, blood pressure taking, nothing so the other arm already looks like I am a druggy. I have scar tissue on my veins from all the blood tests and IVs esp. when I was in the hospital for the hyperthyroidism. I was in the midst of a thyroid storm and in the telemetry (sp) unit with all the heart patients. They were sure I was going to have a heart attack my numbers were so high.

As far as soy is concerned, I heard it was good for you but my cancer was/is estrogen receptive so I can't have soy. I just don't know what to do at this point as my WBC and lymphocytes are always low and don't know how to get them up -- docs don't know and I stopped going to the holistic doc as I can't do his treatment. My immune system is shot so I have to be careful. Holistic doc also told me with my mycotoxin levels I am at risk for liver and kidney cancer so somehow I have to detox. Any suggestions beyond cholestrymine which I can't take or extremely high doses of Vit C. Will 500 of buffered do anything??????? The cholestryjine causes brittle bones which I already have and also I am on Evista for my bones and under drug interactions it states you can not take cholestrymine if you are on Evista.....bad, bad.....so what can I do - Evista is the only drug I can take for the bones. I am allergic or can not tolerate the other drugs -- that goes for the Crohns too. Can not take the Crohns drugs because I found out I am allergic to them so I am only on Librium and Librax, culturelle ( a probiotic) and omega 3 to try to control it I was on heavy doses of prednisone in the beginning to stop the 8 hours of bleeding from the rectum and stayed on it for a year to try to heal and then became allergic to cortisones in the prednisolone family (prednisone is one). I even had patch testing done which proved it as my doc said you can't be allergic to cortisone - your body produces it.......a lot he knows. I am very allergic to 3 classes. There are 4 classes of cortisone and of course the very one I need is the one I can't take. I was using it for my eczema and it was getting worse and worse so I went for the testing and turned out it was causing the eczema to be worse since I had become allergic to it after using it for many years.

HELP.

Suggi,

Thanks for the headsup on the spray.

I will try to see if there is any common compound in the mycotoxins you have in your blood.

Mastectomy - I'm thinking lymph-sequestered mycotoxins again.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around your thyroid condition. Lita Lee says that modern society has poisoned us with estrogens (from pesticides to plastic wrapped meat) and that will take out your thyroid among other things. That mold book said that the yellow mold found on rice is in the penicillin family and is rendered not reactive by iodine so this makes me wonder if your body didn't try to detoxify using that pathway at some time. With your thyroid out of the picture this is probably no longer an option.

500 mg is the limit for what your body can effectively use to make Glutathione. The reason people use megadoses is because you can be grossly deficient and it takes a lot to fill a glass that has a hole in it. I have only gotten good results from steady low doses. High doses of oral Vitamin C can give you diarrhea. I don't know enough about the pros and cons of IV vitamin C. The Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling said it makes a difference but I would think it would have to be monitored closely so you don't harm the pH of the blood. Buffered vitamin C is buffered with at least a Calcium salt so that should also help with your bone health. Vitamin D is essential and current research says that it helps to build the immune system.

I know someone who calls Prednisone The Evil Pill.

Of course you can be allergic to ANYTHING.

I was waiting for you to say the next words were that you were diagnosed psychosomatic. How would they explain AUTO-Immunity if you can't be allergic to things that are your own body.

The thing that I will keep harping on until you ladies own it is: They are all chemicals.

Prednisone, Prednisolone, etc. are chemicals whether your body makes them or not.

The pathways for mycotoxin synthesis involve the same things that make steroids. Steroids are used in the human body to make hormones. Hormones = cortisone, etc.

It's easy to see how a body under attack could think that normal things are bad for it. I really don't know the first thing about any of this (I'm just trying to sort out hundreds of years of textbook lies) but when you said your eczema got worse on the cortisone it almost seems that the cortisone might have been feeding the mold in your system. I know a fellow whose skin on his fingers would peel off if he got antibiotics (mold toxins).

more later when I have time to think about it.

Moldman -- Oh my goodness -- are you right on target -- when I was sick for months with the hyperthyroidism -- guess what THEY CALLED ME SYCHOSEMATIC (sp) and sent me to a psych dr and I refused antidepressents.........no one took blood tests including no TSH, T4, etc until my legs ballooned to elephant legs and even then it took a while -- they sent me to the cardiac dr who did an echo and said "boy you have a strong heart -- listen to those heartbeats" ......my heart was pounding, pulse was 98 and when they finally did the blood tests it was way over 100 but I am crazy and depressed. Where are their heads?

By the way, the RAI did not kill it all off. The endo can't figure it out -- I am still within normal range now and it has been 2 1/2 years. He said I should have been hypo more than a year ago .... he is just dying to get me on Synthroid but can't do it unless my numbers go down.. HA HA to him and all of them. I am disgusted with all the docs except my oncologist but you just can't get a good one any more esp a PCP. You see the NP all the time who knows squat and then she gets annoyed when I say I can't take this or that. Not my fault. You sure have to be knowledgable about meds before you pop them in your mouth.

I am allergic to sulfa also and when the legs swelled up (symptom of hypo not hyper by the way??) the ER doc gave me a script for something and when I got to the drug store the pharmacist said it had sulfa in it. Thank God she knew. Then he told her to give me Norvasc for some reason andd the next day when I saw that cardiac doc he said Norvasc can make your legs swell and took me off................................... It's the docs that will kill us. I try to take as little as I can and fend for myself.

Allergic to the flu shot (neomycin and thimerasol) so I found out they now have a preservatove free, antibiotic free flu shot. Last year after begging profusely my doc was able to get one from a pediatrician and made sure I knew how difficult it was for her. This year "she couldn't get it" Luckily I found out there are Minute Clinics in CT - I am in MA that carry it so I got one -- 2 hours down and 2 hours back. She said you have to buy a box od 10 as they have no preservative and are single dose and she did not want to do it because I was they only one who could not get the traditional. All the docs that are any good are not taking new patients so what do you do. I can't go into Boston as I am turning 70 and my car is old and not near the train.

Thanks for letting me rant and rave.....it must be the mold in my brain. The docs don't want to hear about mold. I read somewhere that some guy was told by his doc that if he mentioned the word mold again he would be dismissed from the practice. That is the feeling you get -- you don't dare ask if this or that could be related to long term mold exposure. I even saw an infectious disease doc who said unless I was coughing up blood from aspergillosis there was nothing he could do for me. If I really wanted some antifungals he would give them to me but don't bother him. Well, I am allergic to all the antifungals for women's problems including Diflucan so I figured don't bother. I can take Nystatin yet for thrush but that is not going to do anything for my mycotoxin problems.

From patch testing she found I am allergic to carba mix and balsam of peru. BofP crossreacts with herbs and spices so I am afraid to experiment with them. Now I know why I got big red welts whereever the bandaid adhesive was - carba mix.

I feel kind of hopeless.

Suggi,

If you have a chance, get a copy of Confessions of a Medical Heretic by Mendelsohn. He explains the game exquisitely.

GeezOPete - where do I start?

The things you described are some basic things that Old School Doctors would know right away. What we have now is a bunch of rich kids who were never sick a day in their lives going into doctoring with a mercenary frame of mind being taught out of textbooks based on false premises and have to pay for their education that was structured from the early 1900's to answer only to the Holy Order of Pharmaceuticals.

Old School could look at a bulbous nose and tell you that you had a heart condition. They could look at the quality of your skin and listen to the sound of your voice and tell what was going on inside. They probably got it from 5000 years of the Chinese doing it and just repackaged it as being American, but at least they were doing the right thing.

Here's what an Old Timer had to say about this kind of thing:
You had a strong heartbeat because thyroid hormones have a direct effect on the heart. It wasn't 'strong' as in 'what a healthy powerful beat you have, Grandma' (Little Red Riding Hood); but overly forceful in compensation for the imbalanced hormones. Thyroid hormones also have an effect on fluid balance (edema) and on brain chemistry (it can make you appear to be a zombie).

So, that was the first clue totally missed.

There should have been TSH, T3, T4 and Thyroid Antibody tests ALL at the same time because there are mathematical ratios that need to be calculated or the tests are half useless.

Great news that the RAI did not finish its evil plot. This should leave you with some residual function - but here is what they DON'T TELL YOU....

They tell you that the radioactive substance has a 'short half-life'. This is true. But unless you know chemistry you don't understand what that MEANS. It means that within months or weeks half of it will be gone. BUT HALF IS STILL LEFT. Then in months or weeks half of that will be gone. You may have heard the story about the frog that jumped halfway to the wall on each hop an never made it to the wall. The gist of this story is that even if you were left with one atom in your system it is still bombarding you with whatever energy level it was manufactured to.

There are three recognized causes of Cancer in Modern Medicine:
Viruses
Chemicals
Radiation

I can't help smiling when I think of how they 'treat' cancer:
Chemicals (Chemotherapy)
Radiation (Radiation therapy)
and now, they are engineering viruses to deliver Gene Therapy

Hair of the Dog that Bit You.

Since I have said it before, I will say it again: you might benefit from NAC (N-Acetyl Cysteine). It is available in healthfood stores over the counter. The trade name is Mucomyst when they use it as a liquid before they give you contrast dyes. The only downside is that some people can make kidney stones from Cysteine. I do not know of a test to find out if you are a stone maker, but that is why most are formulated with B6 to prevent this.

I realize that you said that you are allergic to sulfa. This is not uncommon. Sulfa is a short name for a chemical that is sulfur based. It is not normal to the human body like the amino acid Cysteine. Cysteine can be found in eggs and other foods. I would recommend that you consult a physician before taking sulfur based supplements since you have so many conditions. The Canary was allergic to all forms of sulfur. As I said earlier it took using the right brands of cysteine supplements and many years to get to a point where I could even eat eggs, garlic, onions, etc. I guess if you could tolerate any of the foods, that would be a good start and work your way up.

Once you are on Synthroid it DOWNREGULATES your thyroid basically throwing the switch that says, "Don't bother working on your own anymore." After a while of not working, it forgets how to work and you might not be able to kickstart that motorbike again.

If you are sensing a Sardonic tone it is because this is all known yet it repeats itself over and over again (I've heard this all before from too many other people) but the health industry just keeps going like they've never seen or heard it before. (The working definition for insanity is to do the same thing over and over again expecting different results every time).

But here's why: You're a Cash Cow. They know that if they ignore your thyroid (that is currently the major time keeper for the heart and is usually the first to go) that your adrenals will take over the job. There is just so much that adrenals can do as secondary timekeepers for the heart and still meet the other demands so they give out. Then you have a heart attack - but not to worry! They know ALL ABOUT heart attacks. They have an entire Industry built around that! There's handfuls of drugs, pacemaker implants to make you a Borg from Startrek, and other bells and whistles until you kick it and then they just yell, "NEXT!"

So, let's try to peel back the curtain on this Wizard of Oz.
I don't have a clue on what a thyroid storm is all about. It seems reasonable to think that since there is a relationship with Iodine and certain penicillin species of mold (like yellow rice mold) that it might have been a reaction to some exposure.

Has anyone ever told you WHY it happened? (My favorite medical diagnosis is: I don't know.)

The Old School Doc said that all of his patients who had Hashimoto's all had their carpets cleaned in the summer. His theory was that it was a disease transmitted by dust mites who multiplied during the high humidity of the carpet cleaning that was sustained during the summer because the carpets never really dried.

Without the WHY you will never be able to discover or correct the CAUSE.

Ever wonder why the FDA says: Only drugs can DIAGNOSE or cure a disease? They 'try' a drug and go, "Ooops, that didn't work - well, we know what it isn't."

Should I say, "Norvasc...?" (from your previous post)

Regarding Flu shots: Why do you get them?

The H and N antigen presentations on any given flu 'going around' at any time has worse odds than Vegas of ever being in the shot that you get. According to what you say your age is, you are of the next generation from the one that survived the 1900's mess that pretty much confers immunity to that entire generation. The selling features for a flu shot is that the elderly die of complications like pneumonia. So, what got them, the flu or pneumonia? Barbara Loe Fisher posts all of the pros and cons of vaccines that Dr. Mendelsohn (Confessions of a Medical Heretic) called the Holy Anointing into lifelong treatment.

Dr. Shope demonstrated the EXACT relationship between flu and its causes in the 1930's and 40's and was promptly ignored.

Rant and rave all you want. As you know, they aren't listening. As stated above they can only treat based on what they paid for in their 'education' that does not allow for thinking outside the box.

I will have to look into carba mix and balsam. Adhesive rash is a clear sign of chemical allergy.

Hulda Clark would say avoid Isopropyl (propyl, or rubbing alcohol) at ALL costs. It shows up in things like shampoo, etc. not just the stuff in the bottle.

You've got a lot going on. I hope you have good days.

Wow - is there anything you don't know.......you are a wealth of information.

As to the WHY you are right - they don't know. However, I received radiation treatments 2x - as a baby because of an enlarged thymus gland when I was born and again when I was 8 to get rid of scar tissue from the first round. Then when I was about 11 the doc told my mother I would probably die by 15 and if I didn't I should never have kids. Well, to make a long story short - I was disowned at 21 because I married out of my religion and only got back together with my mother when my father died in 1990 and that's when she told me what the doc said. In the meantime I had 2 children and they are OK. I presume the doc learned that the experimental wonder drug "radiation" was not such a good idea after all and there were consequences. I have heard a lot of those kids have gotten thyroid cancer 50 and 60 years later from the radiation -- they used cobalt back then which was not measured either.

I will look into NAC. Don't know about what they give you before contrast dye as I am allergic to nuclear medicine. Broke out in terrible hives after a bone scan. I blame all my allergies and illnesses on mold exposure but too bad I can't do anything about it. I will start taking the Vit C you talked about.

In a way my parents were right about HIM - not the religion part but he turned out to be physically and emotionally abusive and finally I got up the guts to leave and take the kids out of state as he said he would kill me if I left him. I worked 2 jobs to take care of the kids and 9 years later met someone at work and am married again. Just my luck though, I went from poor in my 1st marriage to poorer in my 2nd. This one is good though -- it is nice to not be afraid of someone. I stayed with the 1st one 19 years and once he started to abuse my oldest -- that was it -- we were gone. I did not have kids until a few years into the marriage and should have had the guts to leave before although I am glad I had the kids. I never see them - one is in OK and the other one is in MA but is super busy with a job, kids, games, practices, etc., etc. and I almost never see her now that her kids don't need a babysitter anymore.

Hulda Clark rings a bell -- is she legit?

Thanks for all the info.

The more I study the more I find I don't know nothin'.

What I tend to share with people are the things that I have learned from bitter experience, however, when folks get together like we do it is usually after-the-fact. What we need is PREVENTATIVE MEDICINE. I have been shown the the body is remarkably resilient so I have to work with a mind that given a chance the body can heal itself. What I find unforgiveable is the practitioners who do things like dosing an enlarged thymus - for what? The WHY is the most important thing to answer and if you read Mendelsohn he says "if you are dying, stay out of the hospital, chances are you'll get better."

There are ultrasonic bone scans and other types of x-ray scans that do not require contrast media. I have seen them done for hip/thigh that way. (My mind fades sometimes on the names)

Sorry to hear about your domestic situation, but it is a wonderful thing that your children are fine.

Whenever I come across someone's methods or claims (like Clark) I require that their work be confirmed by 3 unrelated independent sources before I declare it valid.

I had mentioned Shope earlier. His work in the 30's and 40's was true science and pretty much stifled. He wasn't the first to suggest that cancer could be caused by a virus but he did prove it clinically. I love the Gardisil commercials for cervical cancer, "Cancer can be caused by a virus? Who knew?"

You know I shout at the idiot box that Shope did in the 30's.

So what did they do with that useful information besides suppress it for 77 years?

But back to Clark. The other thing that I do is if it seems like a valid theory and I can afford to try it myself I do the program. Her work is in complete agreement with what Shope demonstrated. She has a LOT of good therapies that I use currently. Some I need hard science to demonstrate physical evidence of how it works but I have not been able to convince a collection of doctors to do simple experiments I have designed. (If it ain't their idea it isn't a good idea and if they have to spend their own money it ain't a good idea).

I had unresolveable stomach pain that I knew was from bacterial overgrowth. Regular doctors wanted me to go on antacids (which of course would have created a patient for life). It starts out with an antacid, which opens you up to more infection and the current infection to dig deeper since most stomach problems are from low stomach acid in the first place and acid is what protects you from the outside world. Then, when you get worse they move you up to H-1 blockers. Of course that makes you even worse (they tell you it is your 'disease' that is progressing) until you have to go on the Purple Pill (some Proton blocker that shuts off ALL acid production). But there is a handshake agreement with your duodenum (small intestine) that says if the pH from the stomach contents is not at a certain level THEN NONE SHALL PASS! So, then...they have to add Regulan to the drug mix to move UNDIGESTED food from the stomach to the lower intestine. Hopefully, by then you'll have developed an ulcer from the bacteria eating its way through your stomach and the acidic food punching a hole in your duodenum, but don't worry, they have a drug for that....

Depressed yet?

But the good news is that I used Clark's recipe of 2 tablespoons of whole fennel seed in 3 cups of water, brought to a hard boil then steeped for 30 minutes and drank a cup a day for a month (I also used her homemade zapping device (DO NOT USE THIS IF YOU HAVE A PACEMAKER OR INSULIN PUMP!)). And don't you know the stomach problem went away...

It can and has come back because you can get re-infected (the world is a dirty place) but you do the program again and it takes care of it. I like the taste of fennel tea. It has a long history in herbal traditions for stomach problems.

I disagree with her recipe for the tea as she suggests the use of Honey which I do not recognize as food. It is too dangerous because it can have Botulism spores in it. I won't even have it in the house.

Quite a number of her things pass the efficacy test. I have done other odd therapies for a month or more with no results but I learned from Chinese Medicine that if you don't see results in a positive direction in 10 days it probably won't work. The reason you have to do the Fennel tea for 30 days without interruption is to completely interrupt the lifecycle of the bacteria. This is a very important concept.

So, I take what works from many disciplines because EVERYONE IS DIFFERENT and what works wonders for me may not work for you or anyone else.

Another key thing I found out the hard way is that you can have a great therapy but if it is done in the wrong order it will either not work or make you feel worse. I think Lymph Massage is important but if your liver is congested - don't even think about it.

Good Evening:

I've just been reading all your communiques these past 2 days. several things keep jumping out at me which seem to be "normal" for people with advanced mcs/ct (multiple chem. sensitivity and chemical toxicity)- these also "run" in my family. mm (short for moldman, do you mind?) you keep mentioning heart disease, my mother had to have a pace maker this year and it is she who i know i got the genetics from for mcs. she has also had thyroid imbalance, weak immune system, skin problems, breast cancer, digestive problems, severe depression, etc, etc.

i listen to what you are struggling with suggi and i realized something important at a deeper level than ever before. i must stop this destructive process. i must make that the priority financially, again. i think i've been in a mild state of denial, wanting, needing very badly to be just a regular person again. actually own more than a outfit, own a car agin, have a computer again, you know, the bare bone basics. you see, i've sacrificed a lot these past 2 years, just about everything. i've taken avoidance about as far as a person can. i have not always done things in the best way, as i was sick and alone and at times, had what the dr's called disorganized thinking. it's been very costly to me in all respects.

i can't afford to keep making such big mistakes.

i've been wondering for a long time now why the body reacts to chemicals and mold much in the same way. I think I am starting to really get what you mean MM about it all being chemicals. makes a lot of sense actually.

i am finally really accepting that i am chemical sensitive/toxic/allergic.

i realized a while back that i needed to make changes with my diet, that i was missing something. it is quite sobering to really make the connection -- that many foods and supplements can be a constant source of exposure to toxins.
knowledge gives me the power to change what no longer works for me, to prevent further damage and to heal. this is a blessing.

i saw the environmental Dr. today, 2 weeks early. This is my first time seeing one. She thinks I was poisoned with chemicals first (touche' mm) which brought on mold allergy.

She has recommended several tests, I'm wondering if either of you are knowledgable about them.

- an expanded Comprehensive digestive stool analysis
- Organix (fasting overnight urine collection)
- Tissue Mineral Anaysis (hair)
- Profile 7 (metabolic panel)
the total for all the tests (supposedly this is the cash discount ) is $1289.-

She also wants me to receive treatments of:

- UVB 1x week for 8 weeks, ea treatment is a series of 3 draws
- Infared Dry Sauna 2x week for 8 weeks
The total for all the trtmnts (pay in advance, get 20% disc.) is $928.-

the dr. i originally went to told me about a prtable dry sauna (he didn't say whether it was infared or not) for app. $600. i'm pretty sure he said i could use it in the bathroom. do you have any ideas or experience? the cost of going to her for 8 weeks is $640- so buying one myself kinda makes sense as i have been reading and keep getting from personal experience that i must aid my body long term in detoxing not only what has been there all these years but also in future whenever I get exposed again.

she did tell me to add sunflower oil daily to my diet for omega 6 and to keep taking cod liver oil for omega 3. she reccomends (& sells) a line of supplemets made by Thorne and suggestd their basic detox support capsules for aminos & liver detox. she also wants me to add phosphatydal choline and niacin daily, to start out low and work up on both. i asked about zinc, she said won't know till do test and then wanted to stop. they do not charge for first visit unless you become a patient then it's $75.- for a 45 minute visit. that seemed verey weird to me, almost like penalizing me for becoming a patient! she spent about 30 minutes with me and was pretty nice. i liked her okay. she put emphasis on detoxifying liver. she thinks i am hypothyroidal -- i did not tell her but i think i am too. has worried me as i see it as a sign of toxicity. she wants tests to confirm yeast overgrowth, one of the things CDSA test does.

we also talked about whether i had the test for mycotoxins in the blood yet (not delayed mold test, i got that one). i don't think i did, i think original DR said no, it was too unreliable and quite expensive. she is requesting records and will probably want that. is that what you were talking about suggi?

any feedback?

in peace,
S-

S -

How did you find an environmental doc? I have tried and they only take patients because of exposure from companies not residential exposure. Did you run into this also and is there a different term than environmental that I should be searching for?

Also, what is all this?

"- an expanded Comprehensive digestive stool analysis
- Organix (fasting overnight urine collection)
- Tissue Mineral Anaysis (hair)
- Profile 7 (metabolic panel)
the total for all the tests (supposedly this is the cash discount ) is $1289.-

She also wants me to receive treatments of:

- UVB 1x week for 8 weeks, ea treatment is a series of 3 draws
- Infared Dry Sauna 2x week for 8 weeks"

I certainly feel for you as my money is depleted also. Whatever we had saved for retirement is gone as well as that equity loan spent mostly on mold remediation and a newer car for hubby as he works 1 1/2 hours away and needs a reliable car esp. in the winter. The equity loan is $50,000 and hubby's whole department was laid off and he couldn't find a job (can't tell me there is no age discrimination). He is a bit younger than I am and kept downgrading his resume until he finally got this job which doesn't pay much but at least he is working -- of course, gas prices don't help. You just can't win, can you. I have to be thankful for what I have - I just wish I could work but I am having difficulty just keeping the housework done - remediators said to keep up with the dusting as mold spores love dust and we live on a major highway across the street from an ice cream stand in an unpaved lot so you can imagine the dirt flying over on a windy dry day. Just can't keep up anymore. Also, have to paint and fix up cosmetically if we ever want to sell the house and get a one story that I need. The big drawback is the water intrusion in the basement.

Anyway I like MM - hope Moldman likes it too.

MM - How do you know if you have a congested liver? I know the holistic doc said I was at risk for liver and kidney cancer but how would you know. My PCP doesn't do periodic liver function testing and I think there is no test for early kidney cancer. However, I am on Librium and Librax for the Crohns and I think they can affect the liver so maybe I can use that as an excuse for getting the liver testing as docs don't want to hear about mold. I am also on Prevacid and Zantac the very drugs you were talking about re the digestive tract. Also on Evista (Raloxafine) for the osteo which I can't get off of unless I get a blood clot which is a side effect of Evista. However, they now say it may have a similar effect on helping to keep the breast cancer from returning like it's sister drug Tamoxafine that they give to BC patients for 5 years. I was on nothing - just the mastectomy - no chemo, no radiation (oncologist said I couldn't have it because of what I had as a kid - it would kill my lungs), couldn't do the dye and she didn't even biopsy my lymph glands as there was a 1 millimeter clear margin - WOW 1 millimeter.....The whole breast was full - it was what is known as DCIS. All I can do is look ahead - I wonder if the cancer was caused by my mold exposure as well as the other problems.

You never see "mold exposure" on a death certificate but I'll bet anything that is the cause of at least half the deaths in the country.

Thanks both of you. It's nice to have someone to talk to. Can't burden hubby any more than I have to -- he is too tired by the time he gets home and daughter here in MA thinks I am nuts re: the mold. She has mold on her bathroom floor which is just unfinished wood and isn't worried about it. It is off her bedroom which has carpeting - ugh plus the central a/c return duct is right outside her bedroom. Am I being paranoid????? Too bad we have to go there for Thanksgiving. I come away feeling like taking my clothes off before I get in the car but what can you do. Her kids get sick, strep throat, etc. but I wonder how come they are not all sicker. They have cats and a dog also who do not appear to be sick and yet they are constantly exposed. I guess their immune systems are just better than mine. Hubby is with me most of the time but I know he won't change his clothes or take a shower after leaving there and will get into bed that night with who knows what spores on him and it makes me shudder. I can't get out of it as I haven't seen the kids for a while and I have to at least try to be a halfway good grandma.

Happy Thanksgiving

Hello Ladies,

Share- I will cut and paste your post at the Hives Thread that I have not answered yet. I was trying to find out how to start a brand new thread with a brand new topic but I guess you have to be a 13-year-old computer whiz to figure out how to do it. We can continue our old discussion but I think both of you constitute a forum that have practically identical problems that arose from different causes so here is a good a place as any to continue this thread.

I don't mind MM. I think someone called me Moldy once and I couldn't stop laughing.

I will try to reply at length as you have so much going on.

It may help soothe your troubled minds when I explain why I think the world is in denial about what is obviously a global mold problem (of course my take on things is dark and sardonic so I don't know how soothing that could be - but at least it puts paid to that annoying emotional extortion)

I've just been reading all your communiques these past 2 days. several things keep jumping out at me which seem to be "normal" for people with advanced mcs/ct (multiple chem. sensitivity and chemical toxicity)- these also "run" in my family. mm (short for moldman, do you mind?) you keep mentioning heart disease, my mother had to have a pace maker this year and it is she who i know i got the genetics from for mcs. she has also had thyroid imbalance, weak immune system, skin problems, breast cancer, digestive problems, severe depression, etc, etc.

There are two things that come from modern medicine that I rage against. 'Stress' and 'Genetic causation'. Stress is a garbage can diagnosis for what they can't or won't treat for the very reasons that I outlined demonstrating that if you ignore one subclinical presentation it can lead to a catatrophic failure of an organ that they have an entire industry built around. I'm talking about ignoring the adrenals and palliatively treating the heart. (You never hear about doctors who refuse to put in a stent unless the patient gives up the cheeseburgers). The Genetics thing is a ruse to get people off the scent that vaccines cause so much damage at the cellular and DNA level yet they are enforcing them now under penalty of jail. The Genetics blame always goes to bad breeding not the pollution of the human body. The Ancient Chinese say that you do inherit tendencies from your parents and most of these can be seen with the eye in the form of body shape. Major systems of the body come in pairs: Heart and Small Intestine, Lung and Large Intestine, Liver/Gallbladder, Stomach/Spleen, Kidneys/Bladder. If one of the pair goes bad then the other will overwork to compensate and SINCE ALL ORGANS OF THE BODY ARE CONNECTED THEY WORK IN CONCERT WITH EACH OTHER TO KEEP THE ENTIRE ORGANISM WORKING! Don't you get the feeling that specialists treat you like a car with interchageable replaceable parts? When the Water of the Kidneys is weak it could be because the Metal of the Lungs can't process the extra fluid from the Fire of the Heart. So, you could treat symptomatically or you could go to the root cause and try to harmonize that.

When I ask you endless questions I'm really looking for that early causal unit that might lead to which domino was the first to fall. I had a flash last night when Suggi said that she had an enlarged thymus as a child. The thymus is one of the largest Lymph organs in the body and it is the operation center for developing, activating, and sending out White Blood Cells to protect the body. The fact that someone 'playing' with a new toy took out her thymus that was probably swollen due to some threat that her body was processing at the time may be the triggering event in her whole cascade of problems but it still started somewhere earlier because SOMETHING HAD TO HAVE CAUSED THE THYMUS TO SWELL.

Unless you know the WHY you will never get to solving the problem. Back in the day there were a few vaccines that were required (there are over 40 now) but it only takes one to knock down the domino. Unless there was some other tissue trauma as a child (rusty nail, dog bite, bad case of the worms) that would be my first instinct. But the problem was not the Thymus. It was just doing what it was supposed to do.

Let's look at the sequela after this:
Breast cancer to my understanding is pretty much a lymphatic disease. Quite often they take out lymph nodes into the arm/underarm to 'make sure they got it all'. Makes you wonder how safe those deodorants/antiperspirants we used were when you see dermal absorbtion charts for chemicals. I wet down a handful of sea salt from the healthfood store and use that as deodorant. As I said earlier, my first impression of the Crohns was that the large intestine held most of the lymph system. So these layers of onion are all peeling back to the thymus.

But what was going on in the thymus?
You'll have to tell us. Here's the rub. Any good physician worth their weight should have gotten a detailed history looked at the facts and the patterns and treated the PERSON not the symptoms.

And don't get me started on that Depression crap. The Ancient Chinese linked certain forms of depression to the Heart Meridian. Think about it from outside the Fishbowl. If the heart is not working well then the whole body is not getting proper oxygenation. If the brain (yes the brain bone is connected to the heart bone) isn't getting what it needs it might react in a physiochemical way that could be interpreted as depression, but talking about how you feel about your mother at $100 per hour for the next 20 years won't do a thing to correct the underlying cause. If you remember my earlier posts the Thyroid is a timekeeper for the heart and if the T-1 thyroid hormone is out of whack you can get depression from lack of a hormone. (Post Partum Depression is a lot more lucrative business if you fail to replenish the mother's iodine deficiency that arose from a baby being produced by a landlocked mother taking all of her hormone and mineral stores just so it could have a good start in life) If the body is not looked at holistically then its off to the Nut Hutch for your antidepressant. You really need to read Mendelsohn. He has one page where he lists the symptoms of a psychiatric disorder. On the facing page he lists the side effects of the drug used to treat it. THEY WERE IDENTICAL.

i've sacrificed a lot these past 2 years, just about everything. i've taken avoidance about as far as a person can. i have not always done things in the best way, as i was sick and alone and at times, had what the dr's called disorganized thinking. it's been very costly to me in all respects.

Disorganized thinking. I learned a phrase from a patient advocate called Patient Blaming. If the Central Nervous system is run on electrobiochemical processes and those are interrupted by any means then that would lead to disorganized thinking and it is certainly not a defect of the owner of the brain. Some mold secondary metabolites are vasoactive amines. They will have a direct impact on the body, ergo the mind/brain.

Now for the sick and alone:
I promised this in the earlier short post.

Mold has to be denied.

There are many good reasons for this. First, no one paid for it in their 'education'. As one of you said earlier if you don't present with acute aspergillious then you might as well stay home. As I alluded to earlier, subclinical disease is touched on only briefly in medical literature as it relates to thyroid hypofunction with test values in the low/normal range. What are these ranges anyway? They are standardized measurements based on average size, weight and sex. This means that an individual who is not 'average' can well be out of range but unless a machine said so in a print out this is not so. Mold must be denied because if it were a 'medical' fact that would make it a legal fact and then there would be bankrupting lawsuits of parties liable for the mold problem. It would open up the medical profession to malpractice from ignoring the obvious. This is why mercury fillings in teeth have been denied as a health risk for 100 years even when they knew 100 years ago that a single atom of mercury is toxic. That's 100 years of lawsuits so it is best to believe that Santa is still coming this year.

Mold must be denied because genetically modified crops like what Monsanto puts out leads to the use of chemicals that lead to overgrowth of mold on plants/fields. Of course, they have a fungicide for that, but - wait for it - there are actually 'good' fungus so if you wipe them all out wholesale, then the ENTIRE ecosystem is out of balance. One thing I know for a fact is that when the good guys go away it makes the bad guys stronger.

Finally, mold must be denied because there are quite a number of antibiotics out there to fight bacteria; but there are only a few antifungals; and there are a couple antivirals and those are toxic to human cells too. So there isn't much they COULD do about it even if they wanted to.

i've been wondering for a long time now why the body reacts to chemicals and mold much in the same way. I think I am starting to really get what you mean MM about it all being chemicals. makes a lot of sense actually.

i am finally really accepting that i am chemical sensitive/toxic/allergic.


I was taught to reduce a problem to its irreducible Prime. It is easier to get your mind around that you have a problem with one class of things than an entire planet full of things. Chemical allergy is just as political as mold for all of the reasons in my diatribe above.

i realized a while back that i needed to make changes with my diet, that i was missing something. it is quite sobering to really make the connection -- that many foods and supplements can be a constant source of exposure to toxins.
knowledge gives me the power to change what no longer works for me, to prevent further damage and to heal. this is a blessing.

I hope something helps. There has been so much lying for so long that it is hard to find the fossil inside the rock. Think about food for a while:
Beef is hung in a cooler to 'age'.
They actually scrape off the green mold (used to break down the muscle tissue making it more tender) before they cut it up for the store. So, are you allergic to beef or the mold in/on the beef?
Peanuts cannot be grown without Aspergillus mold leading to Aflatoxin. (Arrowhead mills brand was listed by some government agency as having the lowest count of Aflatoxin of any brand). So, are you allergic to the peanut protein or the mycotoxin?

i saw the environmental Dr. today, 2 weeks early. This is my first time seeing one. She thinks I was poisoned with chemicals first (touche' mm) which brought on mold allergy.

She has recommended several tests, I'm wondering if either of you are knowledgable about them.

- an expanded Comprehensive digestive stool analysis

I mentioned that this is important. If they use the right lab they will actually look at it through a microscope. (Ever notice how nobody in America actually does any work anymore? Most of this stuff is automated and a machine doesn't know anymore than what it was programmed for)


- Organix (fasting overnight urine collection)

24-hour collection is always good. Don't know what it is that they will be looking for here. You will find out within a 24 hour fast (don't drink fruit juice or it will skew the test that Pfieffer suggests) if you have a bacterial overgrowth in your guts. If you feel better and don't react to the usual things after the fast you probably have an overgrowth (Mental and Elemental Nutrients, Pfeiffer)



- Tissue Mineral Anaysis (hair)

The jury is really out on this one. Hard to say if it is helpful

- Profile 7 (metabolic panel)

If nothing else it is always good to have a baseline test of blood work to track changes over time. This should cover pancreas, liver and kidney function.

the total for all the tests (supposedly this is the cash discount ) is $1289.-

Yeah. If you want to know why insurance wouldn't cover this see the reason why mold doesn't exist.

She also wants me to receive treatments of:

- UVB 1x week for 8 weeks, ea treatment is a series of 3 draws
- Infared Dry Sauna 2x week for 8 weeks
The total for all the trtmnts (pay in advance, get 20% disc.) is $928.-the dr. i originally went to told me about a prtable dry sauna (he didn't say whether it was infared or not) for app. $600. i'm pretty sure he said i could use it in the bathroom. do you have any ideas or experience? the cost of going to her for 8 weeks is $640- so buying one myself kinda makes sense as i have been reading and keep getting from personal experience that i must aid my body long term in detoxing not only what has been there all these years but also in future whenever I get exposed again.

UVB is the wave of the future (no pun intended). All of the current research on vitamin D shows that it is the single most important of all of them. Of course the RDA says you should be afraid of vitamin D and sunlight (patient for life). I have been trying to understand the benefits of IR sauna (beyond the heat part). Sauna is good for getting the toxins out of the body, however, they get into the air of the sauna and you can breathe them in again unless the air is cycled or there is oxygen pumped in (Kellas, Surviving the Toxic Crisis). You also have to be monitored for electrolyte loss and the temperatures can get quite uncomfortable. The sauna detox method was supposedly developed by L. Ron Hubbard and is being studied by the CDC.



she did tell me to add sunflower oil daily to my diet for omega 6 and to keep taking cod liver oil for omega 3. she reccomends (& sells) a line of supplemets made by Thorne and suggestd their basic detox support capsules for aminos & liver detox. she also wants me to add phosphatydal choline and niacin daily, to start out low and work up on both. i asked about zinc, she said won't know till do test and then wanted to stop.

If you are taking any non-prescription stuff you should probably stop a minimum of 4 days before testing so you don't throw off the results.

Here's a curve ball on metals like Zinc. The body stores metals and vitamins in compartments. This means you can have one tissue of your body in total overload of something like zinc, while another tissue is deficient and your blood work says something different. So, even mainstream medicine says to try it for a couple weeks and if you feel different then you know it was working. (Precise science, huh?) Add in something like hair analysis and you have just thrown another compartmentalized variable into the mix.

I need to see data on the use of oils with respect to mold contamination. If seeds are pressed to make oil, how do you keep it from being contaminated? If you heat oil (to kill mold) then you affect the chemical structure of the oil. I am all for oil (I don't do fish oil) but I don't know how to do it right.

they do not charge for first visit unless you become a patient then it's $75.- for a 45 minute visit. that seemed verey weird to me, almost like penalizing me for becoming a patient! she spent about 30 minutes with me and was pretty nice. i liked her okay. she put emphasis on detoxifying liver.

I wanted to suggest to both of you to try adding small amounts of turmeric to your cooking. That is the stuff they make curry out of. It is an antioxidant that has an affinity for the liver. It should not be a problem with the things that you listed from your patch test, Suggi. The other big thing as a food would be globe artichokes.



she thinks i am hypothyroidal -- i did not tell her but i think i am too. has worried me as i see it as a sign of toxicity. she wants tests to confirm yeast overgrowth, one of the things CDSA test does.

we also talked about whether i had the test for mycotoxins in the blood yet (not delayed mold test, i got that one). i don't think i did, i think original DR said no, it was too unreliable and quite expensive. she is requesting records and will probably want that. is that what you were talking about suggi?

Regarding tests:
My Clinical Ecology doctor said you can have all the tests you can afford, however, once you get the information from them - What difference will it make for treatment?

Too bad we need degrees in pharmacy, agriculture, medicine and political science to sort this out. It seems you are on the right track.

MM, Thank you very much! makes me feel better to know i am not the only one sitting in front of my computer thinking, "uhhh, how the heck do i do that?" glad to hear you want to continue our other string. i'll look at it again tonight. if you make happen first, let me know. FYI, at this string, i was able to explore your other strings by clicking on your name & choosing that option. is easy to find that way. agree wholeheartedly w/ preventative care! on all levels....

suggi, my heart is with you. awful to be have to deal with cross contamination and not have support you need. i really feel for you. i just change clothes, etc.- no discussion. but of course i am alone, so that does make it easier in regards to this part of it. I guess like many things in life, it's a trade off. problem is, like your grandchildren, my nieces are who i really want to see. going to their house is not possible right now, so i have not seen them in almost 2 years. and they are 11 and 8, so time is not on my side. you see, my brother is like your daughter about mold and mcs. in addition he really harmed me in the world as he got an opportunity to tell many people in my support system (& anywhere else he could, literally) that major illness is actually craziness (do have some mental symptoms when in high mold, fortunately go away when detoxed), that he has same allergies & is not affected like me (not very accurate actually), that i am a hypochondriac for attention (how do you fake anaphylactic shock?) and that i am for sure, no doubt about it, on drugs (complete fabrication). lost MANY people to those lies. i've been in recovery for almost 23 years and am VERY successful at it & damn proud of that fact. GRRRR, super insulting. my life is about healing, not self destruction! Fortunately, all those in the know, do not doubt me one fraction so parents are behind me 100% now. this has really wounded my bothers and mine's relationship, i do not trust him AT ALL anymore. i know he needs deep emotional healing. was very cruel to our sister most of her life as well. parents say unresolved jealosy from childhood. i say,go to therapy, grow up and get over it a--h---. and then i cry. and work on healing the devestating impact of this in my life.

oh yeah, money, money, money. every body wants it, the world literally revolves round it. is terribly sad reality that there are few who are truly willing to share without financial gain, especially were health care is concerned. don't get me wrong, i've been the recipient of genuine, heartfelt generosity more than one time. i will be the first to tell you there are many good and kind people in the world. i guess i'm just a bit jaded in the health care end of things. if the Dr is willing to cut you slack, their paid staff isn't. i have had to remember that same DR. hired that person for this very reason, to make sure they don't give up too big a slice!

huh, i reread that. conflict of interst for me in a way, sounds kind of hippocritical as i am a business woman and one of the things i'm good at is analyzing costs. have been self employed a long time, understand all too well hidden costs, not to mention payroll -- a huge liability. shoot, i'm human aren't I? i still say there is room for helping those in true need. how are we as a society ever going to make it if we don't do a better job taking care of the middle/working class people? we are the ones who fall thru the cracks, are not eligible for many financial aid programs if you own a house, etc, etc never mind you owe your life on something you can't sell. at least here in GA that's true. and this doesn't even address what you've nbeen talkking about w/ ignorance/ineptitude/denial of many of the Dr's treating people in HMO's, emergency rooms, etc. and doing those same people real harm in the process. oh boy, don't even get me started. i have seriously p----d off more than one emergency room Dr. I guess you can tell, I will confront them. they don't like that very much....

makes such a difference to be sharing with you both. i don't feel quite so alone anymore.

gotta fly, just wanted to drop a quick paragraph (or two or three...) giggle.

affectionately yours,
S-

Here's an afterthought:

What's in a name?

Most of what mold people are describing could be viewed as hypersensitivity pneumonitis aka farmer's lung. Don't know if that would get you in a doctor's door any better than saying the word Mold, but at least it is in their mode of thinking.

Afterthought #2, Return Of The Afterthought

Share,

In my expose of the reason why mold didn't exist I stayed primarily in an industrial framework. Your last post reminded me of why mold doesn't exist at the personal and family level.

All Life is a choice. A fork in the road. A decision point.

When confronted with facts - especially lifechanging ones like the impact of mold - the recipient has to make a choice based on these facts.

To believe or disbelieve.

Disbelief is the easy head-in-the-sand way out and that ends all.

The choice to believe then creates another decision point on what to do about it. First, you will have to recognize that certain facts have been suppressed (conspiracy); then you will have to evaluate how it affects your daily life; then you will have to take positive action on how it affects other people around you.

This leads to the most dreaded four letter word in the human vocabulary: WORK

This is why it is easier to 'just ignore it - it will go away'.

I told you before, sick people are the toughest in the world because they have to put up with their own crap and everyone elses.

Greetings:

Thanks for the heads up on way in w/ Dr's. Non obvious mold symptoms got me a 1013.

Uhh, yes I believe in working hard at my health and well being. I'm trying to establiash habits that make it more "normal". I have noticed that my attitude has a lot to do with how people respond to me. Of course when you are in close quarters or it's someone you've known a long time, it can be more difficult as people have expectations. Also, I am now in, what I call "the zone". Where I look healthy to most people and so, there is a tendency to think, get over it. Move on. People simply don't understand the types of symptoms we can have, do they? or how bad we can feel and in my case, so quickly. Before it was unbelievably obvious I was sick, most people did not doubt me. Then I was so sad all the time, all you had to do was look in my eyes to know the depth of my losses. That's why I am trying to learn best ways to say my truth, ways that are more likely to be heard. And ways to work through my frustration, anger, sorrow that empower me in any given situation.

I'm glad I'm better. I'd rather be dealing with this end of it, that's for sure.

I've found relating this to what they are already familiar with works best, like comparing to when people get bee stings who are super allergic. Point is to prevent it. Most people seem to understand this. If they are interested I explain, w/ infared could see cloud of mold spores around some people. I breathe it, which can be like the bee sting, gets into clothes and continues to make me sick. Most peopke are very sympathetic. It's the chemical sensitivity/allergy part they get weird about I've found. I'm working on best way to explain this.

To explain cross contamination/decontamination necessity, One analogy I've used is to draw comparison to use of disinfectants, masks and gloves by Dr's. A hundred years ago was not common practice, those who pioneered were thought to be quacks by other professionals! then flu epidemic and all changed. Made big difference in 1930's with TB. They were successful in stopping huge epidemic in this country by isolating, etc. What was once weird was now smart practice which saved many lives. People listen. Ask questions and are friendly to me afterwards so I would assume I am getting through. And seem genuinely concerned about my well being. Even car salesman have been sympathetic...

I look for the lessons in life. For me this part is all about standing in my power. When I do that, people respond with respect.

Of course, family members with huge unresolved emotional issues and/or are in denial are another matter. I understand that this is a serious problem for many with environmental illnesses. For me, this is an important part of our talking to each other. To remind us of our truth. I'm finding it's the long haul which is the hardest emotionally in a way. Reconciling to such a different life style, etc is just plain hard to do.

Yesterday someone I like very much, told me "don't be so serious all the time, be sure and have fun. don't think or talk about illness all the time" I had asked him to be very honest with me, to tell me his opinion. That I need honest feedback. I was reminded of someone I used to know, who had a preemie w/ Cerebal Palsy. Her whole life changd and everything she experienced in life was always related in her mind to either CP or disability isues. She became defensive, even beligerent sometimes when it was hard for others to know or see why. She lost many, many friends. Joining a group of other parents w/CP kids helped her tremendously although she has become very segregated in her intimate life. I noticed this same tendency with a couple of environmental recovery groups I've met a long the way. I'm trying to broaden out some now, stay open. So every day, am making a point to ask others about them, not talk very much about me. And to laugh. Enjoy life. Take a break!

And with that, I will sign off. Must get some work done too. Want to get out today to hike some, heard there are some trails nearby that are good.

Be well,
S-

Thanks S

Thanks MM - I am going to try to find your other posts. Will get some Tumeric - if it helps me detox that would be wonderful.

Hope we all get better

MM:

Thank you for sharing your knowing, time and kind words of support.

I'm glad you are expressing your thoughts. No worries for my losing patience w/ "diatribe". I respect what you have to say.

I've come to recognize that you have a dry wit. Harder to tell without hearing voices, ya know? It's easy for it to turn dark dealing with all this. For me, especially in dealings with what we used to call "the establishment" (funny, haven't thought of that in years...), I get angry as there are too many whose intentions are greed induced who have serious power, influence too many outcomes. Grrrr. Always has, especially where people's health is concerned. I feel for you MM. Sounds like you are in the thick of it, hard not to be sardonic. Of course that can have it's value if properly applied. The trick is not to become bitter. Poison in the soul, from my view anyway. So I say, vent it out. Do you feel better writing about it?

I really like it that you advocate for moderation and importance that one feel better.

Haven't figured out new thread yet, got distracted last night.

I do not do vaccines. Had usual as child though. Always worried me. Haven't used anti-perspirants for years. Used salts but developed rash, I think it was yeast. Have been au natural for a couple of years now, will try again.

Just re-read my last response, didn't see this until after posted. Please be aware of something, I do not agree with many things of modern medicine. We are totally on the same page with, the why -- i.e. swollen thymus? imbalanced thyroid. I agree with school of thought (which i believe is better described as wisdom) that the body can and will heal itself. Given what it needs, much of the time the body has all the systems necessary to do this. Lymphatic being an important one.

Unfortunately poisoning requires strong measures, the body needs aid in its healing process. It is wisdom and often courage, which determines what those measures should be.

You are right about work. I ask myslef -- am I willing to do it? Like you said, I am human, there is a part of me that doesn't want to. I am committed though and so, will. It is timing which has me most concerned. I must begin "regular" work again soon. My stamina isn't what it used to be and I am concerned that I need to get in treatments now, so if any intense affects, I will be beyond the worst of it by then. I was pretty sensitive to detoxing, got pretty sick. Awful stuff came out in sweat and urine. Man made and mold chemicals.

Having said that, it is encouraging to hear if treatments/supplements are working I will "feel better in couple weeks". I had kinda forgotten that part. Needed to remember that I did it alone before, I was oveerwhelmed. And not thinking clearly. Much is better now. Already with several things, am feeling better.

I am drawn to adrenal supplement. I know, at the end, when I was in the house still, my heart was being noticeably affected -- racing and palpitations! Scared the crap out of me. Am uncertain how addition of supplements will affect tests and so, when is best to incorporate. And are all tests reliable?
Organix shows how body is absorbing vitamins and minerals for one. was talking fast so i didn't get everything. they also said, very comprehensive test to both this and CDSA. will look up organix and ask about the lab they use.
I appreciate your feedback....

Irreducible prime, yes, an important premise. Thank you for reminding me.

And yes, world is not terrible place to fear, full of toxins will kill me. Understand the why. I appreciate this very much.

Not allergic to peanut protein, am learning more all the time about the Aflatoxins present in many foods. What about soy? Intuitively liked Arrowhead better than others.

Vitamin D3/UV light makes sense to me, am having trouble with invasive part of extracting my blood to do it. You and another source I have are both strong advocates. Strong measures for poisoning? hmmm, I am taking this in. Opening to it.

Good point about sauna. Have been having serious doubts about paying so much to sweat, seems like I should continue to do that on my own. She probably won't like me picking and choosing. Already said, your exercise sweating not the same, etc. Does not like hot baths at all. I'll find way to communicate that leaves me with power of choice but not questioning her judgement. Will be tricky, she wants done in tandem, I think at same time. ?

Clinical Ecology Dr.... get all tests but what diff. make for treatment? uhh, that's the point isn't it? what the treatment should be? huh. That kinda confuses me. I must be missing somethng here, I need to think about that -- was he/she being sarcastic? would you please explain that to me? I'd appreciate it....

Car w/interchangable parts.... Good metaphor! Yes, I do.

stress and genetic causation. hmm, i'll have to think about that.

Chinese medicine keeps coming up for me. I am listening. Heart/small intestine; lungs/large intestine -- i'm hooked. those are hard for me to assume the connection, need to learn more...

Boy oh boy, could you and I talk about modern "medicine of the mind" and the total discount of 99.9% of the professionals to recognize, much less understand and treat properly, the effects of illness on the patients state of mind. Yes sir. Thank you for saying that. Many are super big time jerks about this. Have really bought into need for therapy and/or drugs to treat symptoms not cause. And patient blaming, yep, you got it. I am like a rock on this subject. Illness can cause mental symptoms (like confusion), they go away when "clean", is not an accurate reflection of person's true mental health. Have ended friendship with someone I've known 30 years over this truth -- he's a psycologist. Turns out he really buys into this crap big time. I'll be honest, even if it wasn't about me, I'd not agree with or respect this belief in him. Really opened my eyes. I see now why certain people have ended friendship swith him through the years. I found myslef saying several times, you are not my Dr., I need you to be my friend... Interestingly enough, his brother is one of my oldest and dearest friends. Has seen all, knows and respects my truth.

"Symptoms and side effects, They were identical...." Oh yeah, now that is a great truth. I told a dear friend, that if the head Dr's had their way I'd be a drug induced zombie and would still have all the original symptoms. Have heard of Mendelsohn before, not sure where. Will try to find books.

Is it mostly beef? Monsanto, mold in crops... I've been eating organic for many years. Drink distilled water now. To me it's just real food that humans have eaten for thousands of years! Is a pitiful testimony to what our world has become that we are dealing with these problems in our food/water source. I was working on growing my own and was on a pretty good well, not too much animal farming or agriculture near me. Feel real need to get back to that, am fascinated with companion planting, etc Must remind myself, all in due time.

I wish you healing and that you will always love and be loved.
S-

Ladies,

Boy did that come out wrong...

My post on saying that no one was willing to WORK had nothing to do with present company or sick people in general.

We are the miners canaries. The birds were taken into the mine and if they stopped singing the miner knew it was a dangerous situation if they dropped dead the miners knew it might be too late to get out.

What we have here is an entire society that says, "Silly canary - all you do is whine about the gas in the mine. Silly canary - get up it isn't that bad. Silly canary stop playing dead I know you're just faking it."

The point being that we are not respected and the warning that we present as being sickened by our environment is not heeded. It takes action and work to take yourself out of the mine after you see that the canary (weaker than you that you had to foresight to purposely bring in to help you) has succumb to the badness. But society says, "The gas hasn't hurt me yet. Only canaries get sick. Birds are weak." So they do nothing. They should be thanking us, government and society should be working with us because it is an indicator of Things To Come. But instead the sick are ignored, belittled or shunned because it is easier than taking action (WORKING) and making the world a better place for everyone. They live in FEAR because if we are RIGHT and the world can present this many obstacles to health then they are all at risk while whistling in the dark. Some people are more afraid of living than they are of dying. (There is some deep Zen in that statement).

Thank you MM for all your helpfulness and insight..........good info about the lawyers. I will keep that in mind if I ever get to talk with a lawyer. I have been on the phone with many lawyers offices but still have not gotten a lawyer to sit down with me and look at my pictures and information. <I read some> some information on biological warfare that list mycotoxions as one of the ingredients they use to hurt people..........I will continue to research this........it's interesting and frightening at the same time. Right now no one is helping me as far as insurance, the landlord, the courts ( just yet) and I'm not going to sit by and just take it..........just lose everything on my dime when I didn't cause this to happen to me..........Thanks again for all of you who care and understand.....Studio