Hi,
Just found this site. I'm a Morphine addict of 17 years and In July started on 8/2 Suboxone 3 tabs ,three times per day. I've been through WD from Morphine many times before. If fact 26 times cold turkey and 6 times with the help of a DR.

I've tapered the Suboxone down and quit taking it last Saturday 9/15. I thought the idea of this drug was an easier WD and would take about 11 days. So far that hasn't been the case. The WD is following the typical pattern of any other WD I've been through so what good is it? I might as well have skipped the expence and just gone cold turkey again. From what I read from the other postings most people are just substituting Suboxone addiction for their drug of choice. In fact I haven't found a posting yet of a sucessful WD using Suboxone. Any comment for a sick junkie or will this WD get easier and work. All I can write for now, I'm too sick.

mlfoley

I just want to say good luck and I will be pulling for you!

what mg were you taking when you jumped? i have heard that clonodine helps with the wd from sub. check on it.

good luck. blessings,

michelle

Will be seeing Md tomarrow on clonadine and other issues. Thanks

Thanks for the support

Hey mfoley,

It seems like it is to soon for you to quit the sub. The successes that I have studied, it took a minimum of 6 months with a very slow and easy taper. This stuff IS just a substitute (man made one). It is a legal substitute. You should stay on it long enough for your brain to heal from the cravings. If you quit without the slow taper you will go into wd. Most successes it took a year.

It's beautiful in Montana.

Good Luck,
Loop

From what I was told suboxine is just another opiod. I was trying to get into a research study with suboxine that they implant under the skin but since I am a chronic pain patient they wouldn't do it. Good luck to you... I am now in day 5 of detox from oxy so I know how you feel. Mo

Mo,
I'm now in day 7 and all most tetoxed. Very little disconfort. I have to admit that this was the easiest WD I've ever done now when I look back but my Dr. lead me to believe it would be so easy I'd hardly notice when I quit. Obviously I tried comeing off too fast as I was only on the Suboxone about 2 1/2 months. In that time I went from 75 mg a day to zip so that's why my first post sounded angry and frustrating. I wish I would have had a more knowledgeable DR. But what the heck I'm feeling almost human.
Thanks for your support.
mlfoley

Hey mfoley,

It seems like it is to soon for you to quit the sub. The successes that I have studied, it took a minimum of 6 months with a very slow and easy taper. This stuff IS just a substitute (man made one). It is a legal substitute. You should stay on it long enough for your brain to heal from the cravings. If you quit without the slow taper you will go into wd. Most successes it took a year.

It's beautiful in Montana.

Good Luck,
Loop

Loopman,
I think your right on. I was only on the suboxone for about 2 1/2 months. I started at about 75 mg a day to zip in that time. I have to admit when I look back that it was over all the easiest WD I ever had but was still WD. My Dr. wasn't very knowledgeable but I think he' learning. There's only two Drs. in Montana licensed to perscribe Suboxone and their 500 milles apart. Suboxone is so new here nobody knows anything about it and the only Pharmacy that will get it for you is Costco.
Thanks for the support.
mlfoley

oh-notagain,
I'm 7 days into WD and almost human. You're right I jumped to quickly. I started at about 75 mg a day about 2 1/2 months ago and tapered quickly. I know have to admit looking back that it was the easiest WD I've ever had but still WD. My Dr. lead me to believe that when I came off I would hardly notice it. Suboxone is so new here that there are only two Drs in the state that are licensed to write scripts and their 500 miles apart. But My DR. is learning as I'm his first successfull paitient and we had good communication. I did get some clonidine and that did help the last couple of days. I'm feeling good today.
Thanks for the support.
mlfoley

are you sure it was 75mg? ive never heard of anyone taking that much sub.
just for my own knowledge, b/c i am tapering and hoping to quit sub very soon, how many mg did you take the very last time you took it?

im so glad to see that your through the rough stuff !!! i wish you health and prosperity and blessings in your life! do all you need to do to stay quit, ok?

thanks,

michelle

oh-notagain,
Yes I was on three tabs of 8mg Buprenophine/2mg Naloxone 3 time a day. See my first post. My Dr. said it depended on the way I injested the Morphine and the amount. I was using a Morphine pump with a catherter directly into my brain and spinal fluid. Very efficient don"t you think?
mlfoley

spark-o-cet
oh-notagain,
Yes I was on three tabs of 8mg Buprenophine/2mg Naloxone 3 time a day. See my first post. My Dr. said it depended on the way I injested the Morphine and the amount. I was using a Morphine pump with a catherter directly into my brain and spinal fluid. Very efficient don"t you think?
mlfoley

Hi everyone,
I'm now 8 days off the Suboxone and all most symptom free except I haven't any strength or endurance. Any suggestions to help me pick up my energy level? I'm eating right, staying hydrated, and taking all kinds of vitamins.
mlfoley

spark-o-cet,
Read my last thread again. I took three tabs of 8/2 three times a day. Every 8 hours 3 tabs of 8/2. That's 24 mg every 8 hours. When I quit I was at 1/4 tab a day. Basically I cut my dose in half about every week for the 2 1/2 months I was on Subox. 17 years is a long time to be on the junk and with this new drug I was so eager to get off and it worked so well stopping major WD I went way too fast as I know now. But right now I'm on top of the world as I slept 6 hrs last night for the first time in 8 days and feel like a new man. Still not much strength or energy but I made it this far and I'm happy. Not looking forward to the next phase the crushing depression but I'll take it a day at a time.
mlfoley

wow! yes, congrats !! youre doing really well. 8 days!!! i know that the lethargy can last awhile and the only thing i know of to help is drink plenty of water and as much as you can, get out there and do some form of exercise.

good luck

michelle

Hi everybody,
I'm now 11 days into the WD of the Suboxone. My energy level and strength levels are both picking up although I'm still not sleeping very much. I thought about 7 to 8 days and I'd be back to normal but I'm thinking going through WD at 40 is a lot easier that at 57 plus I'm sure I WD too fast as I was only on Suboxone about 2 1/2 months. My Dr. put me on Welbutran (sp?) today to try to get a jump on the depression when it starts. All my other blood work was good. No kidney or liver damage so that's a miracle after being on the junk for 17 years. As far as I'm concerned Suboxone is a miracle. Again this has been the easiest WD I've ever had and hopefully my last because I may not have another one in me. I want everyone to know that if you chose to WD take your time and it really works.
Good Luck,
mlfoley

Hey MLFOLEY:
SOOOOOOO glad to hear that someone FINALLY came off the sub. and is doing well!
I'm tapering right now and having a hard time getting lower than 2-3mg.
I've been tapering for almost 2 1/2 months now (was on 12-16mg for 9months) and once i got down to 3mg (which was about 4wks ago) i've been feeling so icky that i can't seem to go lower.
But your post gave me hope and thank you for sharing!!!! It really helped boost my mood today since i'm feeling like i've been hit by a truck.....
Thanks again & stay well!!!!!!!!

Maggie0704,
You know as I cut each time for about 3 days I'd feel bad and then my body would adjust and I'd be OK until the next cut. But as I've said in other posts, I think I cut way too fast. So stay with it girl and you can make it. Right now I just cleaned the kitchen, Walked my dog, got the wash going and am planning dinner. It's a beautiful day in the "The Last Best Place" (Montana) and I'm making it.
Good Luck & Hugs!
mlfoley

Mlfoley...
So glad that you are feeling better. I am like you day11 off oxy and it really hasn't been as bad as I have read some people going through. My only complaint is that there is no energy and lack of sleep just like you. I wish you all the best of luck and keep up the good work! Mo7609

Mo7609,
Good job Girl. Keep up the good work. I took the hottest bath I could stand today and fell asleep for 2 hours in the tub. Surprized the heck out of me. You might try it.

I had to see my mother today and she just recently crushed a vertabrae in her neck and had a great big bottle of 10mg oxys. I had about a 10 minute batlle in my twisted mind but finally told mom to put those things away so I don't have to look at them. Got to be careful!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm pulling for you so stay in touch.
Good Luck,
mlfoley

Hi everyone,
I'm now starting my 13th day of Suboxone WD. I had an incident last night and ended up in the ER. In the protocol my Dr. gave me the instructions said that if I had diarrhea for three days to then stop it by taking two immodium.
I was having slight diarrhea but nothing like normal withdraw diarrhea so I took the immodium. My wife and I went out to at an Irish Pub and had a big dinner of corned beef and cabbage and about 10:30 I got the worst gastric cramps I've ever had in my life. I explained my WD to the ER Dr. and said I wouldn't take any Morphine and he said I was cramping his stile if he couldn't use Morphine but agreed to try some other stuff call Bentyl to stop the cramping. Well, it didn't work so I just came home and had a hot cup of tea and toughed it out. It took about 9 hours but the pain finally went away and I got some sleep. No more gassy food for me until I'm completely well.
mlfoley

Hi everybody,
Now my 15th day off Suboxone WD and I'm very close to having no symptoms at all. Endurance and strength are back. I'm functioning well and thinking well. Still having some sleep difficulty but I'm sure that will come with a little more time. I'm a night owl any way. I always tease my wife that I don't wake up until the neons come on. I hope and pray that everyone that is using Suboxone can come off as easy as I did or easier. Thanks everyone for you help and good luck.
mlfoley

mfoley,
I'm sure this might be in another post, but I figured I'd just ask. How did you come off the suboxone? Did you gradually decrease your dose, or did you just stop it one day? I'm curious to see how my Dr is going to do it with me. I switch from subutex to suboxone on Tuesday, and am supposedly only going to have 1 more week in this program. (it's a 4 week program..wasn't cheap). Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks,
g8trgrl

g8trgrl15,
My original protocol was 32 mgs 3 times a day for thirty days and then to cut to 16 mgs 3 times a day for 30 days, then 8 mgs 3 times a day for 30 days, etc. You get the picture. So my plan was to come off over several months but I got impatient and started shortening the time. I did it in 2 1/2 months by cuting in 1/2 faster. I should have followed the original protocol I know now as after the first 72 hours and the WD started it was as bad as any of the other WDs I've been through. But after two days of hard WD suddenly my symptoms decreased dramaticly and it's been farely easy since then. On a scale of 1-10 I would give it a 3. Probably if I had stuck to the original protocol it would have be about a 2 all the way. I'm happy I'm off but it hasn't been as easy I as I thought it would. Right now the only symptoms I've been expiencing are touchy skin and no sleep patern. I just go till I'm exhaused and then eat some benzo's and will sleep for a couple of hours. I hope that helps girl. I'll be praying for you cause being clean sure feels good!
God Speed,
mlfoley

spark-o-cet,
Even though I'm clean, I'm going to stay around awhile and try to help others using. I've been in hell for 17 years and I'm very humbled and gratefull for this site. It's been a lot of help to me.
Thanks,
mlfoley

Hi everybody,
Now my 15th day off Suboxone WD and I'm very close to having no symptoms at all. Endurance and strength are back. I'm functioning well and thinking well. Still having some sleep difficulty but I'm sure that will come with a little more time. I'm a night owl any way. I always tease my wife that I don't wake up until the neons come on. I hope and pray that everyone that is using Suboxone can come off as easy as I did or easier. Thanks everyone for you help and good luck.
mlfoley

I just want to THANK YOU for posting this. I'm in the process of tapering off sub. and this is literally ONLY like the 2nd person i've read that has come off and STAYED off sub. successfully!
It felt so good to read this and know that it's possible. I have such terrible memories of my last withdrawls, but that was coming off Methadone and i know that Methadone is the worst one to come off of. But none-the-less, i've still been scared about facing the withdrawls.
I'm down to 2mg now (dropped to 2mg yesterday) and i'm anxious to taper off these last mgs. I won't do CT, i tried that about 3wks ago and couldn't do it. So i'll still taper, but not as slowly as may be reccommended. I plan on being off the sub. completely within the next 5-6wks. I don't think that is too quick....and I'm hoping that it won't be too bad.
One question though...how long were u on sub for? I've been on it for a good 10months and WAS taking 12-16mg a day. I've dropped to 2mg over the last 2 1/2-3months. It's been pretty easy until i hit the 3mg.
Now all i feel is EXTREME fatigue and frequent headaches.....well, constant headaches.
I'm going to go back on your posts and see if it lists how long u were on it.
Thanks again for the good news! Congratulations to you also!! That is so wonderful that you've come off it and are doing so well! :)

OK, i answered my own question...you were on it since Sept.
BUT< you were on 75mgs!!! So that's a wonderful success!!!
I've never heard of anyone being on that much! Not even 1/2 that!
I always thought that the MAX dose was around 24mgs!
So even though u weren't on it for that long, u still did amazingly considering how much u were on!
Good for you!!!!!

Hi friends,
I'm now in my 3rd week of Suboxone WD. Still slight symptoms: Sleep pattern, touchy skin, aches, and junkie nose. But every day I get a little better. I theorize that because of the time I've been a junkie (17 years), the fact that I was on Mophine Sulfate for the last 7 years, the delivery system (direct catherter to my brain and spinal fluid), and my age (57) are all contributing to a slow WD. It's been a steep learning curve this year but I'm off the junk, no cronic pain, no depression, and with my body off the Morphine my GP let me drop my Lipitor, Metformin, Depa-testosterone, and this week my take me of Prinivil. I'll be down to vitamins and 2 pills a day (Celebrex and Wellbutron-which I'm using to get a jump start just in case I go into depression). The 7 years of Morphine use was destroying my bodys' ability to make enzymes and hormones. I've had a wonderfull bounce back in my whole body especially testosterone!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I feel good today as I got 6 hrs of sleep last night in two parts and the weather is beautiful as always in Montana at this time of year.
Hugs and Good Luck,
mlfoley

OK, i answered my own question...you were on it since Sept.
BUT< you were on 75mgs!!! So that's a wonderful success!!!
I've never heard of anyone being on that much! Not even 1/2 that!
I always thought that the MAX dose was around 24mgs!
So even though u weren't on it for that long, u still did amazingly considering how much u were on!
Good for you!!!!!

just for informations sake i thought i would post this:

at 32 mgs of sub 100% of the brains receptors are occupied, so you dont need anymore at this point, it is doing no good. at 16mg nearly 95% of the brains receptors are occupied with sub. so the cut from 32 to 16 is negligable. the biggest jump occurs at the 2mg mark, and this is where a sub user experiences the biggest changes and has to slow down on the taper.

hope that clears up the actual max dose info.
so at 75 mg mfoley was actually taking 43 mgs of sub per day that were actually doing NOTHING more for the brain because the receptors were already 100% occupied.

this does not take away the fact that he successfully ended sub treatment and is now doing well. YAY !!!! IT IS SO WONDERFUL TO KNOW THAT SOMEDAY I CAN BE IN YOUR SHOES MFOLEY !!!!! you have no idea how your success story has given me hope. THANK YOU !!!!

michelle

Hi friends,
My Dr. recommended this web site for anyone coming off opiates and struggling with depression: neuroassist.com. I'ts facinating. I didn't even pretend to understand the power point protocols but I got the gist of them. Good info.
mlfoley

Jake,
Thanks for the info. I've discovered the same thing, that it is going to take time for my brain to rebuild the animo-acids I need to rebuild the neurotransmitters. I had a courious incident last evening out playing with my dog; I went blind for about 20 minutes. Not totally but I could only see shapes and colors. I couldn't find the ball when my dog brought it back. It cleared up but was weird. Ever Experience this?

Anyway I keep plugging along one day at a time.
Thanks,
mlfoley

Spark-o-cet,
I'm having periodic lapses of vision now. Saw my Optomitrist yesterday and he got me in to see a Dr at 10:20 today.
Thanks,
mlfoley

Hi Friends,
I'm now starting my 4th week since I stopped the Suboxone. I still have slight effects of WD and some weird other symptoms. Periods of almost total blindness and splitting head aches. I'm seeing a Dr. today to discuss the issues. Other than that each day gets a little better although sleep remains a problem. I just go until I collapse (mania from the anti-depressents I'm on? or WD?) and sleep very deeply for about 2 hours and than get up and go back to my normal schedule. I'm attending meetings and have wonderful support from my MDs, friends, and family. Sometimes it's hard with the touchy skin and bone pain but again it's the easiest WD I've ever had. I consider myself a miracle after 17 years of hell.
Good luck to everyone,
mlfoley

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I have been on opiates for about 20 years and took sub for three weeks and have just stopped taking it i dont have wd however i do feel edgy and nervous. Hang in there hopefully you will feel better.

all the best

wireman

i started on 2mg sub twice a day for about three weeks then went to one a day then to half now i have stopped for about two days. When will that edgy feeling go away . i have been working everyday but when i go home at night i am really tired and feel very anxious.

Hey Wireman,
Every one is different in how long it takes to recover. Just hang in there and get the rest u need. You may still have traces of the original opiate you were on in you also, so keep that in mind. But it sounds like your doing very well compared to how bad it could have been. The edgy/anxious feeling will get better.....try deep breathing. I have been doing that the past few nights bcuz i'm currently tapering off sub. and have anxiety when i try to go to sleep. But if i concentrate on my breathing it helps.
When we're anxious, our breathing becomes short and quick, so if we focus on slowing it down and breathing deeper, it really does help.l
Good luck!

Hi Maggie thank you for your reply yes i do have anxiety as well. i did try breathing and it did help. i also pray until i fall asleep. i feel very lucky as the w/d was min. thanks to Sub. i can not believe all the emotions wow thank you so much for the inspiration.

wireman

just for informations sake i thought i would post this:

at 32 mgs of sub 100% of the brains receptors are occupied, so you dont need anymore at this point, it is doing no good. at 16mg nearly 95% of the brains receptors are occupied with sub. so the cut from 32 to 16 is negligable. the biggest jump occurs at the 2mg mark, and this is where a sub user experiences the biggest changes and has to slow down on the taper.

hope that clears up the actual max dose info.
so at 75 mg mfoley was actually taking 43 mgs of sub per day that were actually doing NOTHING more for the brain because the receptors were already 100% occupied.

this does not take away the fact that he successfully ended sub treatment and is now doing well. YAY !!!! IT IS SO WONDERFUL TO KNOW THAT SOMEDAY I CAN BE IN YOUR SHOES MFOLEY !!!!! you have no idea how your success story has given me hope. THANK YOU !!!!

michelle

Hi guys, I am on suboxone and was just reading through all of your posts. I really felt compelled to put my 2 cents in on what I know. Michelle, you are 100% correct on what you just said. With suboxone 32 mg is the max dose. It is called the ceiling effect. After 32mg, you could take 33mg or 100mg and get no more of the suboxone in your brain than the 32mg. I am very happy that mlfoley is now successfully off everything and I personally am so proud of him. It worked for him. But what this all tells me is that his Dr. does not know much about suboxone and how it works if this doc didn't even know that sub has a ceiling effect at 32mg. As you said Michelle, 43mg was taken for nothing. Just money wise alone, this is ridiculous. I don't know if he was having to pay for it out of his pocket, if his insurance was paying for it, or if the state medicaid program was paying for it, but whoever it was paying the bill was getting screwed. On average, subs are about $10 a pill. What mlfoley was on was costing $90/day, when all he should have been taking was 32mg which is $30/day. I am only taking one 8mg each morning which is $10/day. And don't get me wrong, if he needed that much, it would be well worth it! But since all the opiate receptors are filled at 32mg, that was a total waste of $60 for somebody.

After doing months of research, I found out that only you should be the one to decide when you come off of sub. Mlfoley wanted to come off, so absolutely wonderful for him! But I have read other posts on here that have said they have to be off in 4 weeks because their doc wants them to be. I found a great doctor that told me just what I researched. He said he won't be the one to tell me when to come off, if he forces me to do it, the relapse rate is so much higher than opposed to coming off when you're ready. I personally want to get off the sub sooner rather than later, but if it takes 2 years to the rest of my life (as some people say they will be on it) I would much rather do that than begin using pain pills again. Those of you who are going to a doc who tells you when you need to be off.....you seriously need to find a new doctor! This is a decision that you need to make for yourself. If your doctor makes you get off before you are ready, there is a high likelihood you will be using again before the end of the first week you are off sub.

Another reason people don't need to come off after just 4 weeks is because it takes a long time, different for different people, for your brain to get back to normal where you won't crave opiates without the help of suboxone. Your doctor cannot tell you when this will be. Only your brain knows, as this rate can be very different for every single addict.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. You guys are a wonderful group and the support here is just amazing! Everyone keep up the good work. It is such a struggle, but we all know its well worth it!

Spark-o-cet,
My Dr. concluded that the stress of the day combined with WD was the cause of the episode of blindness. You see in the morning I had to make the decision for my extended family of surviving elderly Aunts and Uncles to commit a 1st cousin to a lock down mental hospital for the rest of his life. This included lots of phone calls with police, social workers, Drs., Lawyers, etc. In the afternoon my son, also a junkie, attempeted to break into a place to score some drugs but I caught him in time and gave him the choice of jail or treatment. As he was officially released after serving his full sentence as a guest of the State of Montana that day and was going to celebrate, he wisely chose treatment. Cuning, baffleing, and powerful this disease! After getting some rest I haven't had a reacurance. I'll go with the DRs. opinion.
I appreciate your concern,
Thanks,
mlfoley

Hi friends,
I'm now starting my 5th week completely clean from all narcotics and Suboxone. I still have slight symptoms; junkie nose, weak, tired, slight flue like symptoms, the sneezes, but every day I'm getting better. My age and the number of years I was on the junk is what makes the difference. My Dr. says I didn't get sick over night and I won't get well over night it will take some time. At least I'm funtionable even if a little unconfortable. I've started my amino-acid diet and am trying to get back to Yoga.

As far as I'm concerned I'm a miracle. Suboxone is an amazing drug. A junkies worst fears are supply and WD. Suboxone takes care of both of those fears. Coming clean with a Suboxone Dr., working out a plan and following through worked for me and I believe it can work for the worst junkies out there. Don't fear the WD. As I've said before on a scale of 1 to 10 for me it's about a 3. Very liveable! For those of you trying to get off Suboxone build your support groups with friends, family, NA, AA, etc. and don't be afraid to take that last step. If I can do it after 17 years of use you can too.
Good Luck and God bless all of you for your help and feed back.
mlfoley

Dear MFoley,
I just want to tell you that you are awesome! Staying clean while dealing with terrible stress proves that you will not ever go back to using. You are an inspiration to myself and others on this board and I thank you for that!
JB

grannyo,
Thank You, I needed that affirmation.
mlfoley

Hi Friends,
Wow!!!!! 5 and 1/2 weeks into Suboxone WD with very mild and manageable symptoms and tonight I went into full scale deep hard WD. The whole 9 yards. I guess what I read from other posts is there can be a bounce back of WDs at some point. I never espected this. Each day I was getting better little by little. Now all I want is for this to stop. I've been obsessing all night about buying some pills in the morning or going back on the Suboxone. I think I can hold out for a couple of days but to have 5 1/2 weeks in and then fall into this bad of WD baffles me. This is almost as bad as Methodone WD! I'm really hurting here in Montana.
mlfoley

Foley, what happened?? I myself have never heard of such a thing!! Now this scares me... just all of a sudden it was like a full w/d? Wow.. Have you thought about calling your Dr?? Maybe they can suggest something.. Just stay strong! If you have to take some sub to get through this, that doesn't mean that you backslid or anything.. I hope you know that.. Keep us informed, and I'll be praying for you!!

g8trgrl

g8trgrl15,
After I posted last night I emailed my Dr. as to what was happening. He emailed me early this AM. He said with someone like me that was so motivated to get off the junk after 17 years and only using Suboxone for 2 1/2 months he was not surprised at the latest reaction and that it will probably come and go for some time. He said basicly that my neuro-transmitters are so damaged that I can't expect much better for some time. He suggested going back on the Suboxone and weening periodicly to see where I am as far as WD along with my nutritional amino acid diet to rebuild my neuro-transmitters and possibly adding Nuerontin and staying on the Welbutrin for a longer period of time. I was only going to stay on it for 30 days. I'm glad my Dr. is always available either by email or cel phone.
Thanks,
mlfoley

mfoley,
How are you? We haven't heard from you in a few days.. did your sight get better? How's everything else?

g8trgrl

Hey Wireman,
Every one is different in how long it takes to recover. Just hang in there and get the rest u need. You may still have traces of the original opiate you were on in you also, so keep that in mind. But it sounds like your doing very well compared to how bad it could have been. The edgy/anxious feeling will get better.....try deep breathing. I have been doing that the past few nights bcuz i'm currently tapering off sub. and have anxiety when i try to go to sleep. But if i concentrate on my breathing it helps.
When we're anxious, our breathing becomes short and quick, so if we focus on slowing it down and breathing deeper, it really does help.l
Good luck!

Hello ,

I am tapper off of subutex. I need advise. I am on 4mg now. Do you know how long the w/d will be and any advise on how to reduce the w/d.

Thanks

Hi Friends,
Sorry I haven't posted for awhile. I've had quit a struggle with the WD from the Suboxone. I keep popping in and out of hard WD and I'm not getting better. I haven't had any more weird stuff happen but this all seems to be related to stress. The more stressed I get the worse I feel and although I've got a good team of DRs. they're becoming concerned as I've now lost about 70 lbs. since I started this WD almost 11 weeks ago. My son checked himself into the psych ward to detox from the junk he was shooting and he has Hep C, that really threw me for a few days. I couldn' eat, sleep or function. I continue one day at a time and do the best I can. I refuse to exchange one addiction for another and will just keep going until I finally feel well.
mlfoley

Foley,
Even if it's sheer stubbornness that keeps you clean, that's all that counts.. I was just worried since we hadn't heard from you in a while. I'm sorry you've had a hard time of it lately. Sometimes it seems life likes to kick us while we're down. Hence when it rains, it pours...
I'm doing okay.. doing my slow taper. I think I would be ok to speed it up a little, but I also think I need to do what the Dr says.. which is go down 1 mg a week.. but once I get to 2 mgs I'll listen to what my body says take. Anyway, hang in there, and keep posting here and there to let us know you're ok..

Bilx, I don't have much advice for you there as I'm still taking 8 mgs a day.. About to go down to 6.. But if you do find something that helps, let me know!

g8trgrl