hi i am was just sitting on the sideline and just reading the posts and i decided to finally drop a line. I have gone threw ivf 3x and the first cycle was cancelled and other 2bfn. the reason why i am going threw ivf after my last child i had a tubal ligation which they said it was very easy to reverse but never told me all the problems that occur when you do it so i am left to ivf. they say i make perfect text book eggs my dh has low sperm count. so i was wondering has anyone on there 3rd try gutton pg? need encourgement they say you have to do it 2 or 3x before it can work but i see women doing it more than that and it is a frustrating painful process. i am doing acupunture now they say it helps i know one thing it really does help relax me.

Hi Pam,

Sorry to hear IVF hasn't worked for you yet. You are definitely in the right place for support. I can't offer you a personal success story as we have only done 1 IVF cycle so far. It did result in bfp, but my numbers didn't double and I started bleeding shortly after. We are currently waiting for things to line up so we can give our 2nd cycle a try after the holidays.

I have met MANY women on these boards who have had success through IVF. Some after their 1st cycle, some after the 2nd, some after the 3rd, and some after the 4th. You never know when it's going to work for you. It does work though. We just have to hang onto hope and pray that it works before we go broke. LOL Sorry, I should not be joking right now.

Good for you on the accupuncture. I've heard it increases your chances greatly. Have you started your 4th cycle yet? I would love to support you through it.

Take care!!

Holly

hey holly

thanks for the reply and yes hear looks like a great place for support sorry for your loss i know its hard but it will happen i know some of us take longer than others but we cant give up the fight i know if we are persistant it will come. thats good to wait after the holidays you dont want threw go threw the stress of it during the holidays.

i am going to start my fourth cycle in december i was going to do it this month but i am not going to i want to do a couple of months of ancupunture and get my mind and body right because you already know you have to be strong to go threw this process. Espically the injections my last cycle i really couldnt take it i was about to loose it for real.

Pam, I am glad to hear that you are not giving up. :) For some of us it just takes longer, but it can and will happen if we keep fighting.

We were actually supposed to do our cycle in November, but there were issues w/ the scheduling and everything got pushed back to after the holidays. I was disappointed because I feel we've already been waiting so long for a baby, but I do agree that it will be a lot easier to get through the cycle after the holidays are behind us. Maybe less stress will mean healthy bfp. :angel:

I have heard so many good things about accupuncture. I think it's great you will have a few months of treatment under your belt before going through the cycle. I bet it will help a lot w/ the stress of everything. Hopefully it will bring you your bfp! :angel: Do you plan to go for an accupuncture treatment the day of the transfer? I've heard that can increase your chances up to 50%! Something to think about...

Well, keep in touch. I'd love to hear how your cycle goes and share in the bfp celebrations at the end. :)

Holly

holly just hold on to the fight and we know there are disappiontments with the ivf but we cant give up hope i know we get anxious but one thing i have learned patience is a virtue. and it will come for you suppose you did it threw the holidays then we would say that this would be a good christmas gift and then if it is bfn then your holiday is spoiled just try to enjoy your holidays and thing of ivf after.

yes i plan on doing a acupunture treatment before and after retrieval. but i did not know it increases by 50% thank you for letting me know that. and its crazy i want this so bad espically my dh because he has no kids and he loves them so much.

and you know i will keep in touch you never know i might decided to do it in november when i feel it is the right time i will do it.

Pam, you are so right about that! If there is anything I learned through this IF experience, it's patience. :) And God knows I will need plenty of that when I finally AM blessed w/ my own little one(s). ;) And about my cycle being postponed, I have thought of it from that perspective. At first I was really disappointed, thinking how I was hoping to be pg by Christmas...then I remembered there are no guarrantees, and I thought of how crappy my Christmas would be if I was still licking my wounds from a bfn. So, I do think it is for the best that we get through the holidays first (with hope!) and then concentrate on our cycle after everything has settled down. :D

I think it is so sweet that you want to give your DH a child of his own so badly. I feel the same about my BF. He is so wonderful w/ children, and I know he is going to make a great daddy some day. Hopefully soon!!!

Holly

Oh Pam, I'm sorry IVF hasn't worked yet! But I think it's really good that you're taking acupuncture :) I really think it will help! I'm prayin gfor you and hoing that the next time is THE time and you'll have your BFP!

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hey holly you know when we are in a relationship you cant think of our selves
and i can uderstand you wanting to give him a child and i wish ivf was a for sure thing but its not so we have to go threw the trials and trebalations of it all how are you with the injections i am not scared of needles but when i keep getting them i get very sore.

hey princess i am hoping that acupunture works alot of people says it helps alot and i know it works with my stress a great deal thats for sure thanks for
for your prays.

Pam, the injections were not too bad for me. I only had to do sub-q injections though, none of the intra-muscular ones. Did you have to do the IM ones? A lot of people say they leave you sore. I felt very fortunate not to have to do them. Did you give yourself the injections? I did my own, and let me tell you, the first time I was so nervous I was sweating like crazy and had to talk myself into it for 10 minutes! :) After that though, it got easier. I just kept picturing myself holding a little baby, and it helped. Did you decide when you are going to do your cycle? I wish I could do mine now, but I really do think it will be beneficial to wait. If only I could go to sleep and wake up in January. ;) :D

Holly

i did have to do IM and they do leave you sore at some pionts a could not lean on that area. and i can not do it myself my dh did it for me and he was very good at it but at times i think it was pay back for when i would get him mad but he did a great job with it. i think i am going to start my cycle in december or november i am getting anxious to start it again you know. and i know how you feel about waking up and the time is here to start i cant wait and the crazy thing about it is i wish i would get twins am i crazy to want that.

Hi Pam. Wanted to extend you a warm welcome and express my sympathy re your troubles conceiving. I do hope that your next round of IVF will bring your baby miracle. I think acupuncture should help your cause. My first attempt at IVF was cancelled and that was before I did acupuncture. After that I went weekly and now 3 months later I just had a successful e/r and e/t. In ten days we'll know if baby is coming. Of course the RE adjusted my meds this time but I feel the acupuncture also increased my chances. Well good luck and I look forward to seeing a BFP post from u soon!

thank you kari so much for the welcome i have a question how long did you do your acupunture for and did you do one before transfer and after?

Hey Pam, sure. I started the 50 min weekly treatments in early July and continued thru early Sept (when i was on bcp to quiet a nasty cyst left over from my cancelled cycle), then still each week when I started lupron and stims. No acupuncture after my E/R which was Mon, but my therapist did come yesterday to my transfer and I had a 20 min treatment right before and after. I brought my i-pod to the transfer so I could listen to my east listening music during the acupuncture treatments!!! Hope that helps! Just stay positive!!!

i did have to do IM and they do leave you sore at some pionts a could not lean on that area. and i can not do it myself my dh did it for me and he was very good at it but at times i think it was pay back for when i would get him mad but he did a great job with it. i think i am going to start my cycle in december or november i am getting anxious to start it again you know. and i know how you feel about waking up and the time is here to start i cant wait and the crazy thing about it is i wish i would get twins am i crazy to want that.

Hi Pam,

I think I know what you mean about the IM shots leaving you sore...I got my flu shot yesterday, and my arm is still feeling like dead weight today. It hurts whenever I press on it. I could just imagine how it would feel if I were getting one every day for several weeks. :( Believe me, I felt very fortunate to only have to do the sub-q shots.

I'm anxious to start my cycle too. I feel we have all waited long enough, so let's just get the show on the road already!! :D :D You're definitely not crazy for wanting twins. I would love twins as well. When it's this hard to get (& stay) pg, two at once would be quite a blessing!!! I never thought I would say that before taking a ride on this wild and crazy IF rollercoaster. But now I have a different perspective. I'll bet a lot of us do.

Holly

thanks keri for the info because you know with ivf you dont know what to do when you do research and you hear of something that helps you are so desperate to try it and hope it works for you to.

try2bamommy i know it is time to get the show on the road i really wasnt thinking about it much but lately so many women are pg around me and before i got with my dh i never noticed until i wanted another child you know i wish sometimes i met him in my earlier life i feel bad for him because its not his fault of the decision i made years ago now he has to get punished for it i have only 2 more tries with ivf and that is it if he left me to go make a child with someone else i couldnt blame him.

Pam, sometimes I feel the same way you do...that my BF would be happier if he just went ahead and had children w/ somebody else. I'm the one w/ tube issues, and he is pretty much healthy. He could probably go make babies easily if he just decided to try w/ somebody else. Sometimes it makes me sad. But I just try to remember that he is w/ me because he loves me. Just like your DH is w/ you. He wouldn't have married you he didn't plan on sticking around through thick and thin.

Try to hang in there. We will give them their own babies one day. :)

Holly

i know your right but it does makes us feel bad and i told him about me tubes when we met i dont like to lie and he didnt say nothing about it all he said was i better go take them shits off but in away i am glad the calmps where on but now i regret it because ivf is not a sure thing it is the most frustrating, stressful inconvient thing to go threw and at the end you either win or loose.

Oh Pam, don't be so hard on yourself. You made a decision that I'm sure was right for you at the time. And nobody can blame you for that. Situations change, and people change. That doesn't mean your decision was a mistake, it just means your parth to a new baby will be different than the path was to your previous children. At least we live in a time when IVF is possible. 35 years ago, we wouldn't have these options. Hope the time passes soon so we can both get on w/ our cycles.

Take care!

Holly

Hi Pam. :) I hope you're feelign better. It can be so hard, everything that you have to face with IF... there are so many factors to deal with. Luckily, there are also many treatments too. :) And your DH is with you because he loves you, and wants to have babies with you and only you. :angel: And, dearest, don't you think you made a mistake, dearest, in the past. It was probably the best thing you did for you back then, darling. It just means that now you need to take a different approach! :) And that's okay, because there are lots of treamtnets and supplementary treatments availabel. You WILL get your BFP, darling, don't lose hope for a second :angel:

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princess thank you for those words but i am trying to keep hope alive but it is hard right now anything i ever want i dont get and i am a good person always helping people do you think god is punishing me for putting the clamps on but at the time i didnt know any better. want my little one so bad maybe thats a bad thing.

I am no priest, rabbi or imam, but I don't think you are being punished, dearest. I really don't. I know that you are a really good person, darling, and you will be a good mother too. You aren't being punished, dear, I really don't thin so, because as you said, at the time you didn't knwo any better. So don't fret too much, dear. Just try to take a deep breath and relax. Say a prayer, that might help :angel:

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princess i know i am stessed right now i want this to happen so much right now to have my baby i have only 2 more tries if that does work i am dead in the water.

Oh you must be stressed in that situation!! I know it's easier said than done, but try to take a deep breath and relax. You seem like a religious person, maybe a visit to your religious leader would help? Again, I know it's hard, but try to relax, stress likely won't help with your BFP :angel: so just try to relax and think positively. We're here for you!!

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Pam

It must not be an easy situation for you......i am sorryt hat you are going through all this. Just wanted to let you know that i am thinking and praying for you.
I agree with Holly........and i am sure that you would have stayed with Dh if he was the one with problems.Even though it s not always easy to understand such challenges make a relationship stronger just hold on.

Amy

princess just me i already went to my pastor and he is praying for me but it still is hard at times and espically i have this severe pain in my lower back area going into my front its been like that for a week and a half i am so worried about it right no.

hi amy my dh does have low sperm count so even if i didnt put clamp on my tubes i proberly still wouldnt be able to get pg he has no kids and for a 28year old that is rare. so i dont know but he is in denial about his sperm count.

Hi Pam. Oh yes, I understand about how men can be about sperm count. For some reason they think it's an affront to their.... I don't know how to say...man-ism. (not all men feel this way, but I knwo my DH does so I understand)

Amy is so right, these things are challenges and in the end it will make the relationship stronger and so much more valuable. :angel: It's not fair that we shoudl have to face these challenges, but I truly believe you wil overcome them. :angel:

Have you spoken to the dr abotu your back?

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hi princess sorry it took me so long to write my back has been really paining me i hope is nothing more but my cycle came which is good three months straight because everytime i did a ivf cycle my af wouldnt come i dont know why and i have cramps like i havent had since i was younger so i am kind of worried.

OH darling, I am so sorry your back is hurting you!! Do you fel your cramps in your back? I'm sure acupuncture can help withthat, but before you do it--I thinkyou should call your doctor....if you haven't felt cramps liek this for a long time maybe that is worth asking about? It could be absolutely nothing, but in case it is something, I think you shoudl call you doctor, dear :angel: Kepp us updated if you can, dearest!!

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hey princess i havent felt pain like this in a long time but today it is a little better so maybe it was a spasm or something but my next check up i will let them know what was going on with me. for a minute there it was feeling like labor pains.

Oh wow, that's a little bit scary, no? :confused: If you're still suffering pain, I'd call your doctor..I was doign a bit of research for you over lunch, and one doctor says that any sig. change in a woman's menstrual shoudl be addressed. Again, it could be nothing but I'd rather you be safe than sorry. :angel:

hi princess thank you for looking out for me but i am doing much better no more pain and i got my time of the month and guess what i havent seen my cycle look this normal from the time i started ivf i am kind of mad because i think if i would have done a cycle this month i would have gotton pg i was like o my god. i think the ancupunture has alot to do with and my lord up above.

I am so happy that you are doing so much better, dearest. :D I was actually quite worried about you! Ah yes, I am hoping that the acupuncture helped, and Iknow that you had help from above :angel: I hope that you are feeelign better as well, and not thinking that you being punished. You are a wonderful woman who will be a wonderful mother very soon!

I'm glad that your cycle is normal, even though you aren't trying this time around. Maybe its a sign that your cycles will be normal from now on!

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