mbeth50
10-14-2007, 09:16 PM
I lost the paper where my endo wrote down how much Vit D to take and I just noticed my multi has 800 units..and depending on which calcium I take they have either 400 or 200....Think I may be taking toooo much now...Oh gee...All this is driving me nutz...and to think I was so normal (haha) before I had that stupid bone density test::(
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DesertBloom
10-14-2007, 09:38 PM
Hi Mbeth: The latest RDA for vitamin D is 800-1000 i.u. a day. Don't forget to calculate your dietary/sun intake as well. You can get a list of foods with vitamin D, in it, at many places. There's also some places that will calculate your daily intake but I can't think of the name right now.
Good Luck, I can't find many vitamin D3 that is less than 1000 i.u., so it will depend on your area and what they are selling. I would also ask at a vitamin store as well or look up the latest info on it. Some people forget to calculate their dietary calcium on top of supplemental cal, or any vitamin, and end up taking way too much, so figure that out when you are trying to get a total. I live in CA so I get about 15 minutes of unprotected sun a day, so I don't think I need 1000 i.u.'s of D. Also have all your mineral/vitamin levels checked as well, unless you already have. You might be surprised what you are deficient or overloaded in vitamins, you don't want to have any overdosing probs. Hopefully those who have had the kidney stones will jump in an explain.
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Good Luck, I can't find many vitamin D3 that is less than 1000 i.u., so it will depend on your area and what they are selling. I would also ask at a vitamin store as well or look up the latest info on it. Some people forget to calculate their dietary calcium on top of supplemental cal, or any vitamin, and end up taking way too much, so figure that out when you are trying to get a total. I live in CA so I get about 15 minutes of unprotected sun a day, so I don't think I need 1000 i.u.'s of D. Also have all your mineral/vitamin levels checked as well, unless you already have. You might be surprised what you are deficient or overloaded in vitamins, you don't want to have any overdosing probs. Hopefully those who have had the kidney stones will jump in an explain.
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mbeth50
10-14-2007, 09:47 PM
Thanks so much...Then if I take Viactiv calcium with 200 unit Vit D and later on Caltrate with 400 D and at night my multi with 800 it is tooo much since I eat yogurt every day and skim milk and sometimes cheese and up until this week plenty of sunlight. OK..have to change calcium pills or stop multi until finish up on calciums...Endo check Vit D level..It is within normal range as was calcium etc.....but that was taken before added the Caltrate last week.............will be careful....thanks again.............
DesertBloom
10-14-2007, 10:34 PM
Hi MB: It sounds like you have it figured out. Sometimes these things can be a delicate balancing act, and I was one of those who didn't calculate my dietary with supplements and had been doing it wrong for over 40 years:mad: I ended up with slightly high ionized calcium, which now has to be checked every couple of months. I now have to watch for the onset of hypercalcemia from my mistakes. Luckily my mineral metabolism doc clued me in on the calculations a couple of years ago. I've been taking vits/mins since an early age, but no one told me to factor in the diet, so I was getting too much.
Unfortunately all those vitamins and exercise didn't prevent osteo from occurring, but I suppose my score could have been worse if I wasn't started on mega vits when I was 8.
I now have to take a reduced amount of calcium, but I get it all from my diet. I take a multi (all green) vit that only has 12 mgs of calcium in it and it took me about a year just to find one with that low amount. I need all the other vitamins but can't take extra cal, so I didn't want to give up all the rest or have to take everything individually.
Do you have any trouble taking your multi at night? Just curious, because I can't, it keeps me awake, even though the b vitamins are suppose to relax/calm you.
Unfortunately all those vitamins and exercise didn't prevent osteo from occurring, but I suppose my score could have been worse if I wasn't started on mega vits when I was 8.
I now have to take a reduced amount of calcium, but I get it all from my diet. I take a multi (all green) vit that only has 12 mgs of calcium in it and it took me about a year just to find one with that low amount. I need all the other vitamins but can't take extra cal, so I didn't want to give up all the rest or have to take everything individually.
Do you have any trouble taking your multi at night? Just curious, because I can't, it keeps me awake, even though the b vitamins are suppose to relax/calm you.
mbeth50
10-14-2007, 11:14 PM
I'm curious DesertBloom Whats a mineral metabolism doc??
No trouble with multi at night..Womens one a day..BUT when start strontium (just ordered it) will move multi to am...........and strontium at night..Think I read thats the way to do it.......
going to sleep now..tomorrows back to work.....regards.......:angel:
No trouble with multi at night..Womens one a day..BUT when start strontium (just ordered it) will move multi to am...........and strontium at night..Think I read thats the way to do it.......
going to sleep now..tomorrows back to work.....regards.......:angel:
DesertBloom
10-15-2007, 12:00 PM
Hi MB: They're drs that treat diseases effecting the bone and minerals.
peppurr
10-19-2007, 12:33 AM
I went to a Naturopath Doctor today for the first time in my life. He said the minimum dose of Vit D is 1000 iu. Since I live in a place where we won't see much sunshine until next May/June he's got me on 1700 iu. I think he said the max would be 2000 iu for me.
mbeth50
10-19-2007, 05:56 PM
Interesting peppurr...Is he not figuring in the foods you eat? This Vit D thing is drivig me crazy since my mutli has 800 iu in it and my endo said 800 iu per day yet my calcium has some and so does he food i eat...I wonder what too much is????
DesertBloom
10-19-2007, 08:20 PM
Hi MBeth and Peppur: You can look up the "upper tolerable limits" on vitamin D and see what it say's, but what I've read and tell people is coming from the Food and Nutrition Board/Pauling Institute and they list 2000 as the UL (upper tolerable limit) for adults. Like I mentioned, some drs are saying 800-1000 IU a day and that statement was based on my sun exposure and calcium intake (which is primarily from my diet), but if you live in a northern climate some suggest going up to 2000 IU a day.
You do need to figure in your dietary intake on D and sun exposure to come up with an appropriate total for "you" and where you live. Unfortunately you won't find a ton of foods with vitamin D in it except for fatty fish and fortified juices and a few other things, but the list isn't that long. I agree this new RDA is getting crazy, because what they forget to mention is that there are some people with calcium problems, so if you take more D it will raise you calcium level, so you really need to talk to someone who can calculate "all" this into the equation.
Since I live in the So Cal desert, we do get a lot of sun year round, and according to some drs that's all you need since you synthesize your full requirement in 10-15 minutes @ 3 times a week, as long as you don't have sun screen on, and you are fair skinned. So you can see the problem...if you have an olive complexion the times for synthesis change, and we do synthesize D slower as we age, but we still get it in our systems if we are in the sun, it just may be at a slightly slower rate. Luckily there is no chance of getting too much D from the sun, because your body stores what isn't used for a later date.
I usually spend 20 mins in the sun 3-4 times a week, skin unprotected, between 11-2 and that's probably all I need. During the weeks I can't keep this routine up I take 800 daily, because I have slightly elevated cal and need to watch for hypercalcemia. I just got an ionized cal test back yesterday and my cal is above the range, so I'm going to have to recalculate my D again (Normal ionized cal is 4.5-5.5) and mine was 5.7 which is elevated just enough to rings some bells with the dr and start looking into it again-he wants me to go to, yet another University Hosp, but I haven't agreed yet:mad:
Good luck with all this calculating, but don't worry too much about dietary intake unless you LIVE on sardines or mackeral:D
You do need to figure in your dietary intake on D and sun exposure to come up with an appropriate total for "you" and where you live. Unfortunately you won't find a ton of foods with vitamin D in it except for fatty fish and fortified juices and a few other things, but the list isn't that long. I agree this new RDA is getting crazy, because what they forget to mention is that there are some people with calcium problems, so if you take more D it will raise you calcium level, so you really need to talk to someone who can calculate "all" this into the equation.
Since I live in the So Cal desert, we do get a lot of sun year round, and according to some drs that's all you need since you synthesize your full requirement in 10-15 minutes @ 3 times a week, as long as you don't have sun screen on, and you are fair skinned. So you can see the problem...if you have an olive complexion the times for synthesis change, and we do synthesize D slower as we age, but we still get it in our systems if we are in the sun, it just may be at a slightly slower rate. Luckily there is no chance of getting too much D from the sun, because your body stores what isn't used for a later date.
I usually spend 20 mins in the sun 3-4 times a week, skin unprotected, between 11-2 and that's probably all I need. During the weeks I can't keep this routine up I take 800 daily, because I have slightly elevated cal and need to watch for hypercalcemia. I just got an ionized cal test back yesterday and my cal is above the range, so I'm going to have to recalculate my D again (Normal ionized cal is 4.5-5.5) and mine was 5.7 which is elevated just enough to rings some bells with the dr and start looking into it again-he wants me to go to, yet another University Hosp, but I haven't agreed yet:mad:
Good luck with all this calculating, but don't worry too much about dietary intake unless you LIVE on sardines or mackeral:D
peppurr
10-20-2007, 12:37 AM
Interesting peppurr...Is he not figuring in the foods you eat? This Vit D thing is drivig me crazy since my mutli has 800 iu in it and my endo said 800 iu per day yet my calcium has some and so does he food i eat...I wonder what too much is????
Yes, he did factor the foods and said you don't really get that much from the foods that have the D. Cod Liver Oil is great but who wants to take that. I did suggest boiled eggs because I knew the egg yolks have it. He told me to spare myself and gave me some drops. Put 2 drops on my tongue each day. 400 iu a drop.
I'm in the north so he said even when we do get sun in the summer, most of us wear sunscreen and cover up which I do.
Yes, he did factor the foods and said you don't really get that much from the foods that have the D. Cod Liver Oil is great but who wants to take that. I did suggest boiled eggs because I knew the egg yolks have it. He told me to spare myself and gave me some drops. Put 2 drops on my tongue each day. 400 iu a drop.
I'm in the north so he said even when we do get sun in the summer, most of us wear sunscreen and cover up which I do.
jacal5
10-20-2007, 10:03 AM
Hi peppurr and all,
I'm glad you went to the naturopath. Did he make any other changes to your protocol besides increasing the Vitamin D3 dose and suggesting a back weight? Is there really any danger getting too much Vitamin D3 or does the body eliminate the excess?
Did you ask the naturopath if his protocol has increased bone density in his patients? If you don't mind answering, how much did he charge for the visit?
I always wanted to go, but I was afraid that they might suggest expensive chelation treatments, blood tests, and push supplements to make money.
I did call one a few years ago and the intial visit was $300.00 and blood tests were required which may or may not be covered by my insurance, so I didn't go.
I mentioned in a previous post that Brazil nuts contain Vitamin K2. I starting eating them about two weeks ago but I started to get an upset stomach.
I did more research on them and learned eating too many can cause selenium toxicity. I discovered I can't tolerate them at all, even small amounts.
I'm glad you went to the naturopath. Did he make any other changes to your protocol besides increasing the Vitamin D3 dose and suggesting a back weight? Is there really any danger getting too much Vitamin D3 or does the body eliminate the excess?
Did you ask the naturopath if his protocol has increased bone density in his patients? If you don't mind answering, how much did he charge for the visit?
I always wanted to go, but I was afraid that they might suggest expensive chelation treatments, blood tests, and push supplements to make money.
I did call one a few years ago and the intial visit was $300.00 and blood tests were required which may or may not be covered by my insurance, so I didn't go.
I mentioned in a previous post that Brazil nuts contain Vitamin K2. I starting eating them about two weeks ago but I started to get an upset stomach.
I did more research on them and learned eating too many can cause selenium toxicity. I discovered I can't tolerate them at all, even small amounts.
peppurr
10-20-2007, 05:59 PM
Hi peppurr and all,
I'm glad you went to the naturopath. Did he make any other changes to your protocol besides increasing the Vitamin D3 dose and suggesting a back weight? Is there really any danger getting too much Vitamin D3 or does the body eliminate the excess?
Did you ask the naturopath if his protocol has increased bone density in his patients? If you don't mind answering, how much did he charge for the visit?
I always wanted to go, but I was afraid that they might suggest expensive chelation treatments, blood tests, and push supplements to make money.
I did call one a few years ago and the intial visit was $300.00 and blood tests were required which may or may not be covered by my insurance, so I didn't go.
I mentioned in a previous post that Brazil nuts contain Vitamin K2. I starting eating them about two weeks ago but I started to get an upset stomach.
I did more research on them and learned eating too many can cause selenium toxicity. I discovered I can't tolerate them at all, even small amounts.
I was with the guy for an hour - $120 (consultation). I had taken all my supplements so he did calculations and advised that I take 2000 iu VitD3. That's because of our climate. He told me that I don't want to take more than this. He said too much is difficult to reverse.
I wish I had taken a tape recorder. He changed my calcium supplements. I was getting the runs and he said that was because I was taking calcium/magnesium citrate (liquid). The magnesium citrate is what he gives people who are constipated. He said taking magnesium citrate has the same effect as milk of magnesia. My new ca supplements are a combo of Ca citrate, gluconate,carbonate, lactate, ascorbate, and microcrystalline hydroxyapatite.(1000mg) Also included is magnesium (500mg), Vit C, VitD3, Boron, Glutamic Acid and Lysine Hydrocloride. This is all in pill form.
He approved of the Strontium citrate and he told me to take 2 pills at night - total of 454 mg.
He also suggested DHEA - which is a steroid hormone manufactured by the adrenal glands, testes and ovaries. This hormone has been shown apparently to prevent or reverse many things such as muscle mass, declining memory and may help prevent or reverse osteoporosis. Small dose of 10-12 mg per day.
He also said I should demand another bone scan in a year. If our medical system won't pay for it (they're saying every 3 yrs) then I should consider paying for it myself (which I will). He ordered a copy of my last bone scan from my doctor. I didn't ask about his statistics.
He stressed weight bearing exercizes and pilates which strengthens the core to hold up the spine.
I purchased the Vit D drops and calcium supplements from him. My bill for the day was $203. Subsequent visits will be $63.
Unless there's a problem I don't plan on seeing him until after my next scan.
Just wanted to add that I'm taking a total of 1200 supplements of Ca because my daily Vit pill has 200. The balance (300mg)to make up 1500mg will be from food.
I'm glad you went to the naturopath. Did he make any other changes to your protocol besides increasing the Vitamin D3 dose and suggesting a back weight? Is there really any danger getting too much Vitamin D3 or does the body eliminate the excess?
Did you ask the naturopath if his protocol has increased bone density in his patients? If you don't mind answering, how much did he charge for the visit?
I always wanted to go, but I was afraid that they might suggest expensive chelation treatments, blood tests, and push supplements to make money.
I did call one a few years ago and the intial visit was $300.00 and blood tests were required which may or may not be covered by my insurance, so I didn't go.
I mentioned in a previous post that Brazil nuts contain Vitamin K2. I starting eating them about two weeks ago but I started to get an upset stomach.
I did more research on them and learned eating too many can cause selenium toxicity. I discovered I can't tolerate them at all, even small amounts.
I was with the guy for an hour - $120 (consultation). I had taken all my supplements so he did calculations and advised that I take 2000 iu VitD3. That's because of our climate. He told me that I don't want to take more than this. He said too much is difficult to reverse.
I wish I had taken a tape recorder. He changed my calcium supplements. I was getting the runs and he said that was because I was taking calcium/magnesium citrate (liquid). The magnesium citrate is what he gives people who are constipated. He said taking magnesium citrate has the same effect as milk of magnesia. My new ca supplements are a combo of Ca citrate, gluconate,carbonate, lactate, ascorbate, and microcrystalline hydroxyapatite.(1000mg) Also included is magnesium (500mg), Vit C, VitD3, Boron, Glutamic Acid and Lysine Hydrocloride. This is all in pill form.
He approved of the Strontium citrate and he told me to take 2 pills at night - total of 454 mg.
He also suggested DHEA - which is a steroid hormone manufactured by the adrenal glands, testes and ovaries. This hormone has been shown apparently to prevent or reverse many things such as muscle mass, declining memory and may help prevent or reverse osteoporosis. Small dose of 10-12 mg per day.
He also said I should demand another bone scan in a year. If our medical system won't pay for it (they're saying every 3 yrs) then I should consider paying for it myself (which I will). He ordered a copy of my last bone scan from my doctor. I didn't ask about his statistics.
He stressed weight bearing exercizes and pilates which strengthens the core to hold up the spine.
I purchased the Vit D drops and calcium supplements from him. My bill for the day was $203. Subsequent visits will be $63.
Unless there's a problem I don't plan on seeing him until after my next scan.
Just wanted to add that I'm taking a total of 1200 supplements of Ca because my daily Vit pill has 200. The balance (300mg)to make up 1500mg will be from food.
jacal5
10-21-2007, 02:10 AM
Thanks so much for posting all the info from your consultation. In my opinion, your consult was reasonably priced for all the guidance on supplements and exercise you received. I was wondering why you aren't getting strontium renelate from a doctor since it's available in Canada now according to a poster, instead of going with the strontium citrate.
peppurr
10-21-2007, 02:43 PM
Thanks so much for posting all the info from your consultation. In my opinion, your consult was reasonably priced for all the guidance on supplements and exercise you received. I was wondering why you aren't getting strontium renelate from a doctor since it's available in Canada now according to a poster, instead of going with the strontium citrate.
I don't believe that is correct. I've read on the Canadian Orthaepeadic site and a recent medical magazine at the doctor's office that it's being considered but not yet approved. After reading that, I made a personal decision to do the Citrate until the Renelate is available.
I don't believe that is correct. I've read on the Canadian Orthaepeadic site and a recent medical magazine at the doctor's office that it's being considered but not yet approved. After reading that, I made a personal decision to do the Citrate until the Renelate is available.