slarmeo
09-13-2001, 05:52 PM
I'm looking for some protein powder (same as in topic) but i checked at GNC and they only carry a huge things of it and i don't need that much. Any ideas where to look???? really need some help!
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Harry
09-13-2001, 09:44 PM
There is some bad things that happens if you take too much soy as a protein supplement--do a search and find out.---Harry
slarmeo
09-14-2001, 05:48 PM
well i'm making a special drink. any it says only to take it 3 days then wait awhile. so its safe if you follow directions but i really need to know where to find it.
Binkie
09-25-2001, 09:26 PM
Phooey; I think soy is great. I buy the large tin of
spirutena and in our blender put: one scoop, one frozen banana, some frozen strawberries, 8oz of milk and sometimes some yogurt w/acidophilus. It's great but only makes you feel full for a couple hrs. I read wonderful things about spirulina over the internet; very interesting reading. Never have read one negative thing about it but have read some anti soy stuff which I dismiss as people who must think the Chinese are bad off eating soy, which is untrue to say the least. Only time the Chinese find their health ruined is when they move here and start eating burgers and fries. binkie
spirutena and in our blender put: one scoop, one frozen banana, some frozen strawberries, 8oz of milk and sometimes some yogurt w/acidophilus. It's great but only makes you feel full for a couple hrs. I read wonderful things about spirulina over the internet; very interesting reading. Never have read one negative thing about it but have read some anti soy stuff which I dismiss as people who must think the Chinese are bad off eating soy, which is untrue to say the least. Only time the Chinese find their health ruined is when they move here and start eating burgers and fries. binkie
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11-09-2001, 02:41 AM
Katz SH. "Food and biocultural evolution: A model for the investigation of modern nutritional problems." Nutritional Anthropology, Allen R. Lis Inc., 1987;p.50. This study shows that soy products are not a food staple in the orient, but rather a condiment. Soy use in the orient is primarily limited to use as a soil additive for it's nitrogen-fixing qualities.
Mellanby, Edward. "Experimental rickets: The effect of cereals and their interaction with other factors of diet and environment in producing rickets" Medical Research Council V93 Mar 1925 pp2-65. Make the initial connection between soy and vitamin deficiency diseases.
Wallace, GM. "Studies on the processing and properties of soy" J-Sci- FD-Agric V22 Oct 1971 pp526-35. Study showing the poor bio-availability of soy protein, as well as the lack of cysteine, methionine, and glutamine in commercially-processed soy products.
Rackis, JJ et al. "Quality of plant foods in human nutrition" V35 1985 p 232. Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition. Refers to lack of amino acids in processed soy and to carcinogens found in soy products.
Smith. "Soybeans chemistry and technology" Vol 1. Avi Publishing Co Inc. West Port CT 1972 p.183.
Jenkens, et al. "Nutritional assessment of twelve protein foods/ingredients " Nutritional Research V9(1)Jan 1989 pp 83-92. Ranks soy as very poor for protein availability in humans.
Wolfe, BM. "Elevation of VLDL cholesterol during substitution of soy protein for animal protein in diets of hypercholesteremic Canadians" Nutri-Rep-Int V32(5)Nov 1985 pp1057-65. Study showing that cholesterol levels actually decreased in patients switching from soy diets.
Van-Rensburg, et al. "Nutritional status of African populations predisposed to esophageal cancer" Nutrition and Cancer. V4 1983 pp. 206-16. Connection between cancer and soy.
Robuck, et al. "Effects of dietary fats and soybean protein on pancreatic carcinogenis" Cancer Research 1987 March 1;47(5):1333-8. Connection between pancreatic cancer and soy.
Levy et al, "Effects of prenatal exposure to the soy phyto-estrogen genistein on sexual differentiation" PSEBM 208, 60, 1995. Connection between fetal hormone problems and soy.
Lyn-Cook et al. "Methylatation profile and amplification of proto-oncogenes (cancer causing) in rat pancreas induced with phyto-estrogens" PSEBM 208, 116 1995.
Petrakis et al. "Stimulatory influence of soy on breast secretion in pre-and post menopausal women" Cancer Epidemological Bio-Markers Preview 1996 Oct 5:10, 785-94. Estrogen problems associated with soy use.
Ishizuki, et al. "The effects on the thyroid gland of soybeans administered experimentally in healthy subjects" Endocrinology in Japan 1991 May 20 67:5, 622-9. More organ problems associated with soy use.
Whitten, et al. "Potential adverse effects of phyto-estrogens" Journal of Nutrition 1995 March 125:3.
Ganse, R. "Causes of food allergies" School Food Service Journal V40(4), May 1986 pp38-39. Lists soy as having a high rate of allergic reactions.
Lonnerdal, B. et al, "The effect of individual components of soy formula and cows' formula on zinc bioavaibility," American Journal of Clinical Nutrition V. 40 Nov 1984, pp. 1064-1070. Lists soy as having a zinc-lowering property in the body.
Interesting.
Mellanby, Edward. "Experimental rickets: The effect of cereals and their interaction with other factors of diet and environment in producing rickets" Medical Research Council V93 Mar 1925 pp2-65. Make the initial connection between soy and vitamin deficiency diseases.
Wallace, GM. "Studies on the processing and properties of soy" J-Sci- FD-Agric V22 Oct 1971 pp526-35. Study showing the poor bio-availability of soy protein, as well as the lack of cysteine, methionine, and glutamine in commercially-processed soy products.
Rackis, JJ et al. "Quality of plant foods in human nutrition" V35 1985 p 232. Journal of Pediatric Gastroenterology and Nutrition. Refers to lack of amino acids in processed soy and to carcinogens found in soy products.
Smith. "Soybeans chemistry and technology" Vol 1. Avi Publishing Co Inc. West Port CT 1972 p.183.
Jenkens, et al. "Nutritional assessment of twelve protein foods/ingredients " Nutritional Research V9(1)Jan 1989 pp 83-92. Ranks soy as very poor for protein availability in humans.
Wolfe, BM. "Elevation of VLDL cholesterol during substitution of soy protein for animal protein in diets of hypercholesteremic Canadians" Nutri-Rep-Int V32(5)Nov 1985 pp1057-65. Study showing that cholesterol levels actually decreased in patients switching from soy diets.
Van-Rensburg, et al. "Nutritional status of African populations predisposed to esophageal cancer" Nutrition and Cancer. V4 1983 pp. 206-16. Connection between cancer and soy.
Robuck, et al. "Effects of dietary fats and soybean protein on pancreatic carcinogenis" Cancer Research 1987 March 1;47(5):1333-8. Connection between pancreatic cancer and soy.
Levy et al, "Effects of prenatal exposure to the soy phyto-estrogen genistein on sexual differentiation" PSEBM 208, 60, 1995. Connection between fetal hormone problems and soy.
Lyn-Cook et al. "Methylatation profile and amplification of proto-oncogenes (cancer causing) in rat pancreas induced with phyto-estrogens" PSEBM 208, 116 1995.
Petrakis et al. "Stimulatory influence of soy on breast secretion in pre-and post menopausal women" Cancer Epidemological Bio-Markers Preview 1996 Oct 5:10, 785-94. Estrogen problems associated with soy use.
Ishizuki, et al. "The effects on the thyroid gland of soybeans administered experimentally in healthy subjects" Endocrinology in Japan 1991 May 20 67:5, 622-9. More organ problems associated with soy use.
Whitten, et al. "Potential adverse effects of phyto-estrogens" Journal of Nutrition 1995 March 125:3.
Ganse, R. "Causes of food allergies" School Food Service Journal V40(4), May 1986 pp38-39. Lists soy as having a high rate of allergic reactions.
Lonnerdal, B. et al, "The effect of individual components of soy formula and cows' formula on zinc bioavaibility," American Journal of Clinical Nutrition V. 40 Nov 1984, pp. 1064-1070. Lists soy as having a zinc-lowering property in the body.
Interesting.