tiago
11-23-2007, 01:24 PM
hello all i'm enquering on behalf of my mother(58) who has recently been diagnosed with osteporosis/osteo arthritis she's also just come off HRT after taking it for a decade or so, my query is this..... i've read that some breads block calcium intake ,can anyone in the uk recommend an 'osteoporosis friendly' brand, are the healthier wholemeal breads banned(as i've read)? i've been buying her burgen 'soya and linseed' but i'd rather be 100 percent certain that the food i'm giving her is actually healthy.any advice would be appreciated
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jacal5
11-24-2007, 11:04 AM
Hi,
I'm not from the UK so I don't know what breads are available to you, but soya is controversial when it comes to bone density, it contains phytic acid which may block calcium absorption. I've read it's best to limit all fiber to 25 grams daily, and to maintain a balance of acid/alkaline foods for better bone health.
Alkaline foods like fruits and veggies are better for bone health than acidic foods like bread, meat, soda, etc.
It's very commendable that you are concerned with your mom's health, there are many tips on this board regarding nutrition, supplements, exercise, and medication to improve bone density.
Good luck to both of you.
I'm not from the UK so I don't know what breads are available to you, but soya is controversial when it comes to bone density, it contains phytic acid which may block calcium absorption. I've read it's best to limit all fiber to 25 grams daily, and to maintain a balance of acid/alkaline foods for better bone health.
Alkaline foods like fruits and veggies are better for bone health than acidic foods like bread, meat, soda, etc.
It's very commendable that you are concerned with your mom's health, there are many tips on this board regarding nutrition, supplements, exercise, and medication to improve bone density.
Good luck to both of you.
Myth
11-25-2007, 08:29 AM
hi
calcium supplements are best taken on an empty stomache as any food & fibre can slow/ prevent its absorption, it should also be taken away from any other medication as calcium can prevent the absorption of medicines
cheers Myth
calcium supplements are best taken on an empty stomache as any food & fibre can slow/ prevent its absorption, it should also be taken away from any other medication as calcium can prevent the absorption of medicines
cheers Myth
peppurr
11-25-2007, 02:31 PM
hi
calcium supplements are best taken on an empty stomache as any food & fibre can slow/ prevent its absorption, it should also be taken away from any other medication as calcium can prevent the absorption of medicines
cheers Myth
Awwww Geeeeez! When's a person supposed to eat?:jester: I'm taking Strontium Citrate too and that has to be on an empty stomach.
I have read that you shouldn't take ca with fiber, so I'm avoiding that. I've also read that you can do ca citrate without food but the others (carbonate & glucomate) should be taken with food for better absorption.
Of course, I want to do this right. I've read that you need to take magnesium for the ca to be absorbed so I'm doing that too! Myth - can you tell me how you go about taking the calcium and eating?
calcium supplements are best taken on an empty stomache as any food & fibre can slow/ prevent its absorption, it should also be taken away from any other medication as calcium can prevent the absorption of medicines
cheers Myth
Awwww Geeeeez! When's a person supposed to eat?:jester: I'm taking Strontium Citrate too and that has to be on an empty stomach.
I have read that you shouldn't take ca with fiber, so I'm avoiding that. I've also read that you can do ca citrate without food but the others (carbonate & glucomate) should be taken with food for better absorption.
Of course, I want to do this right. I've read that you need to take magnesium for the ca to be absorbed so I'm doing that too! Myth - can you tell me how you go about taking the calcium and eating?
Myth
11-25-2007, 04:27 PM
hi pep
I know trying to juggle medication is enough to drive one mad
heres my routine, right or wrong its the best I can do
I take calcium citrate , magnesium, vit D midmorning well away from any food, the strontium I take last thing at night before bed
Im on a low dose calcium approx 600g as I believe too much calcium actually increases bone turnover & magnesium +vit D is more important (some people may want to debate that one) and its too early to tell if strontium is doing me any good yet. and yes fibre is supposed to interfere with absorption I also read that the humble cup of tea prevents absorption of almost anything
hope that helps
Myth
I know trying to juggle medication is enough to drive one mad
heres my routine, right or wrong its the best I can do
I take calcium citrate , magnesium, vit D midmorning well away from any food, the strontium I take last thing at night before bed
Im on a low dose calcium approx 600g as I believe too much calcium actually increases bone turnover & magnesium +vit D is more important (some people may want to debate that one) and its too early to tell if strontium is doing me any good yet. and yes fibre is supposed to interfere with absorption I also read that the humble cup of tea prevents absorption of almost anything
hope that helps
Myth
sunny47
11-25-2007, 07:02 PM
I never heard of tea affecting absorption. I do not drink it on a regular basis and not at the same time as I take my calcium but is something to be aware of. Never know when or whith what or not what to take anything any more. I do take my calcium carbonate in the morning with my breakfast of cheerios (? Fiber) - wonder if that is causing a problem? My blood calcium level is high normal so guess I am absorbing it?
They sure make life complicated.
sunny47
They sure make life complicated.
sunny47
peppurr
11-25-2007, 09:37 PM
hi pep
I know trying to juggle medication is enough to drive one mad
heres my routine, right or wrong its the best I can do
I take calcium citrate , magnesium, vit D midmorning well away from any food, the strontium I take last thing at night before bed
Im on a low dose calcium approx 600g as I believe too much calcium actually increases bone turnover & magnesium +vit D is more important (some people may want to debate that one) and its too early to tell if strontium is doing me any good yet. and yes fibre is supposed to interfere with absorption I also read that the humble cup of tea prevents absorption of almost anything
hope that helps
Myth
Thanks for responding Myth. I'm on 1200mg of Ca so it's difficult. I think I'm gonna keep on doing what I'm doing because I'm on a ca supplement with 3 kinds. The citrate they say you can do with or without food but the carbonate - definitely food. I only have a bowl of cornflakes for breakfast and that doesn't have much fiber.
I was reading awhile back that the best thing to take ca supplements with is a glass of milk. Then I've read that's no good. I've also read that if you take ca supplements without food it increases the risk of kidney stones.
I've read exactly what you have to say about magnesium and vit D so I'm getting plenty of that.
At least I don't drink tea!:D I do have 2 cups of decaf coffee in the morning though and I won't stop that. I switched from regular coffee so that's the limit for me!:D
You're right - it can drive you mad!
I know trying to juggle medication is enough to drive one mad
heres my routine, right or wrong its the best I can do
I take calcium citrate , magnesium, vit D midmorning well away from any food, the strontium I take last thing at night before bed
Im on a low dose calcium approx 600g as I believe too much calcium actually increases bone turnover & magnesium +vit D is more important (some people may want to debate that one) and its too early to tell if strontium is doing me any good yet. and yes fibre is supposed to interfere with absorption I also read that the humble cup of tea prevents absorption of almost anything
hope that helps
Myth
Thanks for responding Myth. I'm on 1200mg of Ca so it's difficult. I think I'm gonna keep on doing what I'm doing because I'm on a ca supplement with 3 kinds. The citrate they say you can do with or without food but the carbonate - definitely food. I only have a bowl of cornflakes for breakfast and that doesn't have much fiber.
I was reading awhile back that the best thing to take ca supplements with is a glass of milk. Then I've read that's no good. I've also read that if you take ca supplements without food it increases the risk of kidney stones.
I've read exactly what you have to say about magnesium and vit D so I'm getting plenty of that.
At least I don't drink tea!:D I do have 2 cups of decaf coffee in the morning though and I won't stop that. I switched from regular coffee so that's the limit for me!:D
You're right - it can drive you mad!
peppurr
11-25-2007, 09:38 PM
I never heard of tea affecting absorption. I do not drink it on a regular basis and not at the same time as I take my calcium but is something to be aware of. Never know when or whith what or not what to take anything any more. I do take my calcium carbonate in the morning with my breakfast of cheerios (? Fiber) - wonder if that is causing a problem? My blood calcium level is high normal so guess I am absorbing it?
They sure make life complicated.
sunny47
It sure is "complicated"! I'd continue with the cheerios if I were you! Good to hear about your blood ca level!
They sure make life complicated.
sunny47
It sure is "complicated"! I'd continue with the cheerios if I were you! Good to hear about your blood ca level!
montesflus
11-25-2007, 09:49 PM
I take a combination of calcium citrate, magnesium citrate, and vit d. I've heard that the ''citrate'' type calcium CAN be taken on an empty stomach - right? does food interfere with the ''citrate'' type calcium?? the instructions on the bottle say to take WITH a meal, or a glass of water! I take a brand manufactured by ''Nutraceutical'', sold under the brand name ''Solaray''. The bottle is marked ''Cal-Mag-Citrate'' with Vitamin D. It contains 1000 mg calcium, 500 mg magnesium, 200 iu vitamin d. I take an extra 400 iu vitamin d separately. I take 2 calcium capsules, 3 times daily - morning, afternoon, evening. I also take a good b complex supplement, and omega-3 fatty acid supplement (not together with the calcium, though).:jester:
phylwill1152
11-25-2007, 11:30 PM
I read this a while back about tea and thought it might be of interest. take care...phyllis
A new study shows elderly women who drank tea had higher bone density in their hips and less bone loss than women who didn't drink tea.
Researchers say the results confirm previous studies that have suggested drinking tea may protect against bone loss and osteoporosis.
In the study, Australian researchers surveyed 275 women between the ages of 70 and 85 who were participating in a larger five-year study of calcium supplements and osteoporosis about how much black and green tea (but not herbal teas) they drank. Bone density measurements of the hip were also taken at the beginning and end of the five-year study.
The results, published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, showed that women who were regular tea drinkers had higher bone density in two sites in the hip compared with non-tea drinkers.
The bone mineral density in tea drinkers was higher than in non-tea drinkers. Tea drinkers also had less loss of bone density over a four-year period compared with non-tea drinkers. These results took into account factors such as smoking history and use of calcium supplements.
The researchers did not find a relationship between the number of cups of tea consumed per day and bone mineral density.
"Other variables, such as dietary calcium and coffee intake, physical activity, and smoking did not appear to be important confounders of the relation between tea and [bone density]," write researcher Amanda Devine, of the University of Western Australia in Perth, Australia, and colleagues. "Thus, overall our data support the concept that tea intake has beneficial effects on bone structure by reducing bone loss."
Researchers say more research is needed to determine how drinking tea affects bone density. Previous studies have suggested that phytochemicals in tea, such as flavonoids, may be responsible for the protective effect against bone loss due to their estrogen-like properties.
A new study shows elderly women who drank tea had higher bone density in their hips and less bone loss than women who didn't drink tea.
Researchers say the results confirm previous studies that have suggested drinking tea may protect against bone loss and osteoporosis.
In the study, Australian researchers surveyed 275 women between the ages of 70 and 85 who were participating in a larger five-year study of calcium supplements and osteoporosis about how much black and green tea (but not herbal teas) they drank. Bone density measurements of the hip were also taken at the beginning and end of the five-year study.
The results, published in The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, showed that women who were regular tea drinkers had higher bone density in two sites in the hip compared with non-tea drinkers.
The bone mineral density in tea drinkers was higher than in non-tea drinkers. Tea drinkers also had less loss of bone density over a four-year period compared with non-tea drinkers. These results took into account factors such as smoking history and use of calcium supplements.
The researchers did not find a relationship between the number of cups of tea consumed per day and bone mineral density.
"Other variables, such as dietary calcium and coffee intake, physical activity, and smoking did not appear to be important confounders of the relation between tea and [bone density]," write researcher Amanda Devine, of the University of Western Australia in Perth, Australia, and colleagues. "Thus, overall our data support the concept that tea intake has beneficial effects on bone structure by reducing bone loss."
Researchers say more research is needed to determine how drinking tea affects bone density. Previous studies have suggested that phytochemicals in tea, such as flavonoids, may be responsible for the protective effect against bone loss due to their estrogen-like properties.
tiago
11-26-2007, 12:23 PM
thanks for your replies.i've read a book about the acid / aklaine issue surrounding this disease by a dr jane plant.very intresting and quite controversial at the time i read it,going againt conventional medical thinking of the time. in a nut shell she believes acid inducing foods (cheese ,red meat, egg yolks and other meats and grains to a lesser extent) all contribute to a reduction in bone density and have to be consumed with heavily alkliane producing foods like curry powder raisins dried parsely ginger and mildly alklaine producing foods like veg and fruit. the tea report doesnt suprise me as one of the countries with low hip fracture occurance is china ,who happen to worship tea in all guises.eat like a chinese person is the general message
Myth
11-26-2007, 04:41 PM
there seems to be no end of information/misinformation available
heres the latest
tea contains caffeine ....bad for bones (decaf tea just has less caffeine)
tea contains tannin/tannic acid is harmful on the mucous membrane of the mouth & digestive tract
tea contains natural fluoride...good for bones
green/black teas have an antioxidant effect (phytochemicals)
milk in tea neutralises the antioxidant benefits
as a tea drinker with the bones of a 90 year old (am 55) I can honestly say they need to do more studies before they sing the virtues of tea as being beneficial for osteoporosis
Myth
heres the latest
tea contains caffeine ....bad for bones (decaf tea just has less caffeine)
tea contains tannin/tannic acid is harmful on the mucous membrane of the mouth & digestive tract
tea contains natural fluoride...good for bones
green/black teas have an antioxidant effect (phytochemicals)
milk in tea neutralises the antioxidant benefits
as a tea drinker with the bones of a 90 year old (am 55) I can honestly say they need to do more studies before they sing the virtues of tea as being beneficial for osteoporosis
Myth
peppurr
11-26-2007, 07:10 PM
thanks for your replies.i've read a book about the acid / aklaine issue surrounding this disease by a dr jane plant.very intresting and quite controversial at the time i read it,going againt conventional medical thinking of the time. in a nut shell she believes acid inducing foods (cheese ,red meat, egg yolks and other meats and grains to a lesser extent) all contribute to a reduction in bone density and have to be consumed with heavily alkliane producing foods like curry powder raisins dried parsely ginger and mildly alklaine producing foods like veg and fruit. the tea report doesnt suprise me as one of the countries with low hip fracture occurance is china ,who happen to worship tea in all guises.eat like a chinese person is the general message
Yeah but then I've read that stomach cancer is on the rise in China!:dizzy:
Yeah but then I've read that stomach cancer is on the rise in China!:dizzy:
peppurr
11-26-2007, 07:14 PM
there seems to be no end of information/misinformation available
heres the latest
tea contains caffeine ....bad for bones (decaf tea just has less caffeine)
tea contains tannin/tannic acid is harmful on the mucous membrane of the mouth & digestive tract
tea contains natural fluoride...good for bones
green/black teas have an antioxidant effect (phytochemicals)
milk in tea neutralises the antioxidant benefits
as a tea drinker with the bones of a 90 year old (am 55) I can honestly say they need to do more studies before they sing the virtues of tea as being beneficial for osteoporosis
Myth
Ohhh my Goodness Myth! My heart goes out to you and I wish you the very best of luck. I shall be looking for updates from you!
heres the latest
tea contains caffeine ....bad for bones (decaf tea just has less caffeine)
tea contains tannin/tannic acid is harmful on the mucous membrane of the mouth & digestive tract
tea contains natural fluoride...good for bones
green/black teas have an antioxidant effect (phytochemicals)
milk in tea neutralises the antioxidant benefits
as a tea drinker with the bones of a 90 year old (am 55) I can honestly say they need to do more studies before they sing the virtues of tea as being beneficial for osteoporosis
Myth
Ohhh my Goodness Myth! My heart goes out to you and I wish you the very best of luck. I shall be looking for updates from you!
montesflus
11-26-2007, 08:45 PM
This is just tooooooooooo confusing.
Probably best to try to eat as balanced a diet as possible, that is, a little of everything, but with extra emphasis on green veggies and a selection of fruits.
Remember, a little of what we enjoy, is good for us, and even if that means the occasional glass of wine, or cream-cake - go for it!
I was born and raised in the UK, and drink several (large) mugs of tea a day!
Good luck to all of us.
Probably best to try to eat as balanced a diet as possible, that is, a little of everything, but with extra emphasis on green veggies and a selection of fruits.
Remember, a little of what we enjoy, is good for us, and even if that means the occasional glass of wine, or cream-cake - go for it!
I was born and raised in the UK, and drink several (large) mugs of tea a day!
Good luck to all of us.