BadMalibu
12-22-2007, 04:10 PM
Hey Everyone-
So many of us here always question where our OCD comes from, and it would be easy to say that it's a chemical imbalance or there's something wrong with our brains, but as most of you know I don't subscribe wholey to that theory. There are two reasons why I don't. First off, if it were true that OCD was purely a chemical imbalance, them medications would take away all our symptoms, but as most of us know, most of us still have OCD symptoms even while we're on medications. Sure, very powerful psychotropic medications like haldol and risperdal will take away most of our symptoms, but they'll also leave you in a fog and sometimes you won't even be able to function. These drugs are so powerful and turn off so many areas of the brain that it's no wonder we don't have OCD anymore.
Secondly, if it we're true that OCD was totally a chemical imbalance, then everyone who has OCD right now would have exhibited symptoms of OCD since childhood, and that's not the case since the onset of OCD can happen as early as 5 years old, or as late in life as age 65.
Most people here in there posts will say the same thing: I don't know where the OCD comes from, nothing is going on, I don't get it, but lets take a closer look, because there is always a reason:
all these thoughts come only during exam time..right now iam feeling that ihave not taking it seriously and method of my studying is wrong.
I know that if i tell my mom, i will be kicked out of the house and my family will disown me (including my sister..who seriously looks down upon this) and i wont have anywhere to live.
i feel if i do not, my anxiety will never leave and i will be locked up
there... that is my fear..that this anxiety is great i will be labeled insane and i will lose my business and be locked up
.things at work are rocky, another company took over our old company on Nov. 1... and it is very very stressful and VERY unorgainzed.
So, My Husband And I Are In The Process Of Buying Our New (first) House.
yes, I did have unprotected sex
I like everything done a certain way. When they are done differently that causes me anxiety.
I'm just really stressed out now about a hundred and one things that are just caving in on me all at once
So, I always obsess over futuristic things. Will we have a house, a baby, enough money for it all, etc... so I obsess
-When I was younger I was terrified of almost everything.
-I'm a perfectionist by nature
-I am afraid of being wrong, and of what others will think if I'm wrong. When driving, I worry that others think my driving skills inferior.
-I am indecisive and often plagued with self-doubt and what ifs.
It's really amazing the connection we can make between what's going on in our lives and our OCD. The next time you have an OCD moment, stop and ask yourself, what's going on in my life that is causing so much anxiety, and what can I do about it? I hope this helps.:D
So many of us here always question where our OCD comes from, and it would be easy to say that it's a chemical imbalance or there's something wrong with our brains, but as most of you know I don't subscribe wholey to that theory. There are two reasons why I don't. First off, if it were true that OCD was purely a chemical imbalance, them medications would take away all our symptoms, but as most of us know, most of us still have OCD symptoms even while we're on medications. Sure, very powerful psychotropic medications like haldol and risperdal will take away most of our symptoms, but they'll also leave you in a fog and sometimes you won't even be able to function. These drugs are so powerful and turn off so many areas of the brain that it's no wonder we don't have OCD anymore.
Secondly, if it we're true that OCD was totally a chemical imbalance, then everyone who has OCD right now would have exhibited symptoms of OCD since childhood, and that's not the case since the onset of OCD can happen as early as 5 years old, or as late in life as age 65.
Most people here in there posts will say the same thing: I don't know where the OCD comes from, nothing is going on, I don't get it, but lets take a closer look, because there is always a reason:
all these thoughts come only during exam time..right now iam feeling that ihave not taking it seriously and method of my studying is wrong.
I know that if i tell my mom, i will be kicked out of the house and my family will disown me (including my sister..who seriously looks down upon this) and i wont have anywhere to live.
i feel if i do not, my anxiety will never leave and i will be locked up
there... that is my fear..that this anxiety is great i will be labeled insane and i will lose my business and be locked up
.things at work are rocky, another company took over our old company on Nov. 1... and it is very very stressful and VERY unorgainzed.
So, My Husband And I Are In The Process Of Buying Our New (first) House.
yes, I did have unprotected sex
I like everything done a certain way. When they are done differently that causes me anxiety.
I'm just really stressed out now about a hundred and one things that are just caving in on me all at once
So, I always obsess over futuristic things. Will we have a house, a baby, enough money for it all, etc... so I obsess
-When I was younger I was terrified of almost everything.
-I'm a perfectionist by nature
-I am afraid of being wrong, and of what others will think if I'm wrong. When driving, I worry that others think my driving skills inferior.
-I am indecisive and often plagued with self-doubt and what ifs.
It's really amazing the connection we can make between what's going on in our lives and our OCD. The next time you have an OCD moment, stop and ask yourself, what's going on in my life that is causing so much anxiety, and what can I do about it? I hope this helps.:D
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tnman
12-22-2007, 10:47 PM
hey there Malibu... You are so correct.. it probably does have things to do with what is going on in one's life.. Anxiety filled happenings... things that cause stress........You, Malibu, are a very WISE person.... Thanks for your help..tnman
BadMalibu
12-23-2007, 12:26 AM
Tnman-
Thanks, but I just want people to see the connnection between what's going on in their lives and OCD because some people subscribe to the theory that this is a totally a brain "issue" and it's not. I will say that in a few rare instances, a chemical imbalance can cause OCD, or in most of our cases, exaggerate the symptoms, but in most every post, there is always something going on in a person's life that will trigger the OCD.
Once we understand ourselves, we can fight back because we have the knowledge.:D
Thanks, but I just want people to see the connnection between what's going on in their lives and OCD because some people subscribe to the theory that this is a totally a brain "issue" and it's not. I will say that in a few rare instances, a chemical imbalance can cause OCD, or in most of our cases, exaggerate the symptoms, but in most every post, there is always something going on in a person's life that will trigger the OCD.
Once we understand ourselves, we can fight back because we have the knowledge.:D
lbreeze
12-23-2007, 03:15 AM
I believe that it is a chemical imbalance but I agree that things that are going on definitely play a big part. I developed my ocd when I was 27 y/o and I can actually trace it to a specific incident. However, in hindsight I know that it was there already (probably my entire life) but my symptoms were so mild, I chalked them up to personality quirks and nothing more. What I wouldn't do to go back to just having "personality quirks".:)
purplegirl1
12-23-2007, 03:39 AM
Thanks, that was a great point you made. I do believe that OCD is a chemical imbalance as well as an anxiety disorder. Meds do not totally take care of the OCD - they help bring back the seretonin that is missing but they do not help you deal with how to cope with the obsessions/compulsions. I do think most of us are born with the OCD b/c it is a chemical imbalance but never learned how to cope with it and may never have realized it was a problem. Sometimes the OCD is not a problem and then something happens, that causes the OCD to mainfest itself. Everyone has a piece of every disease, but it does not become a neurosis until it interferes with your life. For instance I had OCD always but it was not a problem until my father died, age 10 for me.....
nikki16
12-24-2007, 12:05 AM
Malibu, I agree with what you are saying. My situation is the opposite. OCD hit me at the best time of my life when everything was going better than it ever has. Marriage is great, kids are great, I love my job, hubby started his dream job, no money worries, family is all healthy and happy. It's like OCD is trying to ruin it all because I was TOO happy.
It's so odd that it didn't hit me when the kids were little, I was a stay at home mom and hubby was going to school and we could barely afford diapers. We bickered alot because we were so tired, stressed and poor.
I'm like ibreeze, I may have had OCD in the past, but it was NEVER to any extent that it caused me the kind of anxiety and stress I've dealt with this year. Personality quirk is the exact word I would have used too.
Ibreeze, if you're willing to share; what one incident can you trace your OCD flare up back to? Mine was a nocturnal panic attack that snowballed.
It's so odd that it didn't hit me when the kids were little, I was a stay at home mom and hubby was going to school and we could barely afford diapers. We bickered alot because we were so tired, stressed and poor.
I'm like ibreeze, I may have had OCD in the past, but it was NEVER to any extent that it caused me the kind of anxiety and stress I've dealt with this year. Personality quirk is the exact word I would have used too.
Ibreeze, if you're willing to share; what one incident can you trace your OCD flare up back to? Mine was a nocturnal panic attack that snowballed.
BadMalibu
12-24-2007, 12:28 AM
I believe that it is a chemical imbalance
I do believe that OCD is a chemical imbalance. Meds do not totally take care of the OCD - they help bring back the seretonin that is missing but they do not help you deal with how to cope with the obsessions/compulsions.
Well as I've said before, everyone here is entitled to their own opinions, and I would like to say that I would never take that from anyone, but there are still problems with OCD being a purely "chemical" disorder.
1. If OCD is totally a chemical imbalance, then medications should be able to alleviate all of our symptoms, just like having an infection. You get an infection, you take antibiotics, and your infection goes away. People that are on SSRI's or antidepressants that have OCD still exhibit symptoms of OCD, regardless of how much and how many medications they're on.
2. In 99% of the cases of OCD, there are underlying issues that the person is experiencing, or don't realize that can trigger the onset of OCD.
3. If OCD is a chemical imbalance, then why is the age of onset anywhere from 4 years old, to 65 years old? If someone has a chemical imbalance, they should exhibit symptoms of OCD from childbirth.
4. I think that it's easier for people to take the "easy" way out and say this is all a chemical imbalance because it's easier to say that then to dig deep down inside ourselves and take a good look at what's going on. That takes lots of hard work and years of thearpy to do.
I am in no way saying, however, that serotonin or dopamine does not play a role in some OCD cases. I'm sure that in many cases, as Purplegirl says, the lack of serotonin can really exaggerate the symptoms of OCD and bring issues to the surface that we never noticed before.
OCD hit me at the best time of my life when everything was going better than it ever has. Marriage is great, kids are great, I love my job, hubby started his dream job, no money worries, family is all healthy and happy. It's like OCD is trying to ruin it all because I was TOO happy.
Nikki this is a great example of how OCD tries really hard to sabotage us when we are at are most happiest. I saw my therapist a few months ago, and asked him why I was having such a tough time with my OCD, but yet everything in my life was going really well? Basically in a nutshell (and who doesn't like cashews at Christmas) he told me that in our past we've seen ourselves make lots of mistakes, and our OCD holds onto those mistakes whether we consciously know it or not. When we see things going well, our OCD goes on the offensive trying to get us to see that we'd better be careful or we'll loose everything, or we'll make a dumb mistake and screw everything up. Example? What about people that have the obsessive thought that they cheated on their significant other? Simple. You're walking down the street, you see an attractive man, you think he's cute, you don't think about it anymore, but unfortunatley your OCD heard every word of what you thought about the cute guy. Your OCD goes into hyper active later that evening, appently for no reason, flashing all these horrible images into your mind about loosing your husband or significant other, and you wonder where they come from. They came from the fleeting thought that the guy walking down the street was cute.
Our OCD grabs onto these little things that we think nothing of and turns them into bigger issues than they are because our OCD does not want us to make any mistakes in our lives, and obviously being unfaithful would be a big mistake. Although most of us here would say it's silly and we know we're not going to be unfaithful, our OCD doesn't play by the rules, and our OCD will do anything it can to keep us from making mistakes in our lives.
The way the OCD grabs our attention is by flashing intrusive thoughts into our minds, or getting us to obsess over something so much that we don't think about our original worries. That's why people become so engaged in their obsessions, because it allows us to escape what's really going on, that way we don't have to think about it.
Lets think about it. Why do some of us spend so much time on compulsions and obsessions? It's easy. So we don't have to put any mind power into the thoughts that are really bothering us. We can be in our own world obsessing about something or engaging in a compulsion, and it takes our minds off of what's really going on in our lives. These are the issues I'm talking about that one has to dig down deep to discover, because you can't fight back against OCD if you don't know what you're fighting against.
Great feedback ladies and gents, I really enjoyed reading what everyone had to say.:D
I do believe that OCD is a chemical imbalance. Meds do not totally take care of the OCD - they help bring back the seretonin that is missing but they do not help you deal with how to cope with the obsessions/compulsions.
Well as I've said before, everyone here is entitled to their own opinions, and I would like to say that I would never take that from anyone, but there are still problems with OCD being a purely "chemical" disorder.
1. If OCD is totally a chemical imbalance, then medications should be able to alleviate all of our symptoms, just like having an infection. You get an infection, you take antibiotics, and your infection goes away. People that are on SSRI's or antidepressants that have OCD still exhibit symptoms of OCD, regardless of how much and how many medications they're on.
2. In 99% of the cases of OCD, there are underlying issues that the person is experiencing, or don't realize that can trigger the onset of OCD.
3. If OCD is a chemical imbalance, then why is the age of onset anywhere from 4 years old, to 65 years old? If someone has a chemical imbalance, they should exhibit symptoms of OCD from childbirth.
4. I think that it's easier for people to take the "easy" way out and say this is all a chemical imbalance because it's easier to say that then to dig deep down inside ourselves and take a good look at what's going on. That takes lots of hard work and years of thearpy to do.
I am in no way saying, however, that serotonin or dopamine does not play a role in some OCD cases. I'm sure that in many cases, as Purplegirl says, the lack of serotonin can really exaggerate the symptoms of OCD and bring issues to the surface that we never noticed before.
OCD hit me at the best time of my life when everything was going better than it ever has. Marriage is great, kids are great, I love my job, hubby started his dream job, no money worries, family is all healthy and happy. It's like OCD is trying to ruin it all because I was TOO happy.
Nikki this is a great example of how OCD tries really hard to sabotage us when we are at are most happiest. I saw my therapist a few months ago, and asked him why I was having such a tough time with my OCD, but yet everything in my life was going really well? Basically in a nutshell (and who doesn't like cashews at Christmas) he told me that in our past we've seen ourselves make lots of mistakes, and our OCD holds onto those mistakes whether we consciously know it or not. When we see things going well, our OCD goes on the offensive trying to get us to see that we'd better be careful or we'll loose everything, or we'll make a dumb mistake and screw everything up. Example? What about people that have the obsessive thought that they cheated on their significant other? Simple. You're walking down the street, you see an attractive man, you think he's cute, you don't think about it anymore, but unfortunatley your OCD heard every word of what you thought about the cute guy. Your OCD goes into hyper active later that evening, appently for no reason, flashing all these horrible images into your mind about loosing your husband or significant other, and you wonder where they come from. They came from the fleeting thought that the guy walking down the street was cute.
Our OCD grabs onto these little things that we think nothing of and turns them into bigger issues than they are because our OCD does not want us to make any mistakes in our lives, and obviously being unfaithful would be a big mistake. Although most of us here would say it's silly and we know we're not going to be unfaithful, our OCD doesn't play by the rules, and our OCD will do anything it can to keep us from making mistakes in our lives.
The way the OCD grabs our attention is by flashing intrusive thoughts into our minds, or getting us to obsess over something so much that we don't think about our original worries. That's why people become so engaged in their obsessions, because it allows us to escape what's really going on, that way we don't have to think about it.
Lets think about it. Why do some of us spend so much time on compulsions and obsessions? It's easy. So we don't have to put any mind power into the thoughts that are really bothering us. We can be in our own world obsessing about something or engaging in a compulsion, and it takes our minds off of what's really going on in our lives. These are the issues I'm talking about that one has to dig down deep to discover, because you can't fight back against OCD if you don't know what you're fighting against.
Great feedback ladies and gents, I really enjoyed reading what everyone had to say.:D
lbreeze
12-24-2007, 05:52 PM
Ibreeze, if you're willing to share; what one incident can you trace your OCD flare up back to?
Hi Nikki,
To answer your question, My ocd flare up relates to a particularly awful breakup I had with my long-term girlfriend at the time. The breakup spawned from her infedelity, which resulted in pregnancy. I'd rather not get into all of the reprecussions of her actions but all of this had a profound affect on me. It was the first time I "felt" dirty and tried to remedy that feeling by washing. It snowballed gradually after that.
Hi Nikki,
To answer your question, My ocd flare up relates to a particularly awful breakup I had with my long-term girlfriend at the time. The breakup spawned from her infedelity, which resulted in pregnancy. I'd rather not get into all of the reprecussions of her actions but all of this had a profound affect on me. It was the first time I "felt" dirty and tried to remedy that feeling by washing. It snowballed gradually after that.
velvet rose
12-25-2007, 02:01 AM
Hrmmm. I have to totally disagree. I believe that ocd is caused by a chemical imbalance and brain dysfunction. Certainly in most cases anyway, and there is loads of evidence to support it.
"Secondly, if it we're true that OCD was totally a chemical imbalance, then everyone who has OCD right now would have exhibited symptoms of OCD since childhood, and that's not the case since the onset of OCD can happen as early as 5 years old, or as late in life as age 65."
Actually, most ocd sufferers do have symptoms of ocd starting in childhood and it usually gets progressively worse in the late teen years and early twenties.
If ocd weren't a chemical imbalance, then SSRI's that help to replace serotonin would not be proven to be effective at all. If ocd weren't caused by a brain dysfunction, then cognitive behavioral therapy wouldn't help at all as one of the main points of the therapy is to retrain the brain.
In a lot of cases, ocd is hereditary, thus supporting the theory that ocd is caused by brain dysfunction.
Ocd most definitely worsens under stress and depression. That's why those quotes that you posted aren't surprising. But somebody being stressed about an exam or their job does not cause ocd. If that were the case then everybody in the world would have ocd. Yikes. What a world that would be. In essence, being stressed out or depressed just aggravates the ocd that is already there.
"Secondly, if it we're true that OCD was totally a chemical imbalance, then everyone who has OCD right now would have exhibited symptoms of OCD since childhood, and that's not the case since the onset of OCD can happen as early as 5 years old, or as late in life as age 65."
Actually, most ocd sufferers do have symptoms of ocd starting in childhood and it usually gets progressively worse in the late teen years and early twenties.
If ocd weren't a chemical imbalance, then SSRI's that help to replace serotonin would not be proven to be effective at all. If ocd weren't caused by a brain dysfunction, then cognitive behavioral therapy wouldn't help at all as one of the main points of the therapy is to retrain the brain.
In a lot of cases, ocd is hereditary, thus supporting the theory that ocd is caused by brain dysfunction.
Ocd most definitely worsens under stress and depression. That's why those quotes that you posted aren't surprising. But somebody being stressed about an exam or their job does not cause ocd. If that were the case then everybody in the world would have ocd. Yikes. What a world that would be. In essence, being stressed out or depressed just aggravates the ocd that is already there.
velvet rose
12-25-2007, 02:16 AM
"1. If OCD is totally a chemical imbalance, then medications should be able to alleviate all of our symptoms, just like having an infection. You get an infection, you take antibiotics, and your infection goes away. People that are on SSRI's or antidepressants that have OCD still exhibit symptoms of OCD, regardless of how much and how many medications they're on.
2. In 99% of the cases of OCD, there are underlying issues that the person is experiencing, or don't realize that can trigger the onset of OCD.
3. If OCD is a chemical imbalance, then why is the age of onset anywhere from 4 years old, to 65 years old? If someone has a chemical imbalance, they should exhibit symptoms of OCD from childbirth.
4. I think that it's easier for people to take the "easy" way out and say this is all a chemical imbalance because it's easier to say that then to dig deep down inside ourselves and take a good look at what's going on. That takes lots of hard work and years of thearpy to do."
1. Medications don't alleviate all symptoms of many psychiatric disorders. Unfortunately, science hasn't come that far. The imbalance is still there though, despite the fact that medication doesn't magically cure it. You cannot compare an infection and antibiotics to a serious psychiatric disorder. It doesn't function the same way.
2. Underlying issues aggravate the ocd. Hard times can manifest themselves in our ocd. Doesn't cause it though.
3. People with schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, multiple personality disorder, ADD, and so on have a varying onset. That doesn't change the fact that there is a chemical imbalance.
4. This isn't factual but I personally think it's easier to just chalk it all up to depression, stress, etc. People with ocd often flare up even when they're at their happiest.
2. In 99% of the cases of OCD, there are underlying issues that the person is experiencing, or don't realize that can trigger the onset of OCD.
3. If OCD is a chemical imbalance, then why is the age of onset anywhere from 4 years old, to 65 years old? If someone has a chemical imbalance, they should exhibit symptoms of OCD from childbirth.
4. I think that it's easier for people to take the "easy" way out and say this is all a chemical imbalance because it's easier to say that then to dig deep down inside ourselves and take a good look at what's going on. That takes lots of hard work and years of thearpy to do."
1. Medications don't alleviate all symptoms of many psychiatric disorders. Unfortunately, science hasn't come that far. The imbalance is still there though, despite the fact that medication doesn't magically cure it. You cannot compare an infection and antibiotics to a serious psychiatric disorder. It doesn't function the same way.
2. Underlying issues aggravate the ocd. Hard times can manifest themselves in our ocd. Doesn't cause it though.
3. People with schizophrenia, bi-polar disorder, multiple personality disorder, ADD, and so on have a varying onset. That doesn't change the fact that there is a chemical imbalance.
4. This isn't factual but I personally think it's easier to just chalk it all up to depression, stress, etc. People with ocd often flare up even when they're at their happiest.
BadMalibu
12-26-2007, 12:58 AM
Velvet-
Well as I stated before, you're entitled to your opinion, but I have a few more comments. =)
In a lot of cases, ocd is hereditary, thus supporting the theory that ocd is caused by brain dysfunction.
No one in my family has OCD except me, so I do not subscribe to the theory that OCD is hereditary. There are many people that I know that do not have parents or relatives that have OCD, so I'm not sure how you can say for sure that OCD is a hereditary disorder.
But somebody being stressed about an exam or their job does not cause ocd. If that were the case then everybody in the world would have ocd.
I never said that being stressd causes OCD. I said that stress and anxiety will bring the OCD symptoms to the surface. It's really amazing the connection we can make between what's going on in our lives and our OCD.
As far as your dedication to the "chemical" theory, I also said:
I am in no way saying, however, that serotonin or dopamine does not play a role in some OCD cases. I'm sure that in many cases, as Purplegirl says, the lack of serotonin can really exaggerate the symptoms of OCD and bring issues to the surface that we never noticed before.
So as you see, I support the theory that OCD is learned and a way for our minds to deal with stress, but I also believe that some people do have a chemical imbalance. People don't want to hear that it's a psychological issue, everyone wants to hear that you can pop a pill and make everything go away, but that's just not the case.
You also said that people often flare up while they're at their happiest, and I addressed that issue in another post.:D
Well as I stated before, you're entitled to your opinion, but I have a few more comments. =)
In a lot of cases, ocd is hereditary, thus supporting the theory that ocd is caused by brain dysfunction.
No one in my family has OCD except me, so I do not subscribe to the theory that OCD is hereditary. There are many people that I know that do not have parents or relatives that have OCD, so I'm not sure how you can say for sure that OCD is a hereditary disorder.
But somebody being stressed about an exam or their job does not cause ocd. If that were the case then everybody in the world would have ocd.
I never said that being stressd causes OCD. I said that stress and anxiety will bring the OCD symptoms to the surface. It's really amazing the connection we can make between what's going on in our lives and our OCD.
As far as your dedication to the "chemical" theory, I also said:
I am in no way saying, however, that serotonin or dopamine does not play a role in some OCD cases. I'm sure that in many cases, as Purplegirl says, the lack of serotonin can really exaggerate the symptoms of OCD and bring issues to the surface that we never noticed before.
So as you see, I support the theory that OCD is learned and a way for our minds to deal with stress, but I also believe that some people do have a chemical imbalance. People don't want to hear that it's a psychological issue, everyone wants to hear that you can pop a pill and make everything go away, but that's just not the case.
You also said that people often flare up while they're at their happiest, and I addressed that issue in another post.:D
Charmgirl
12-27-2007, 01:55 PM
Is there anybody out there that is not suffering from this themselves but has a child that is going thru this? We will see a therapist for the first time tomorrow (with my 10 year old daughter) and what should I be prepared to share with her. Also, I want to see some kind of meds. given since over this past holiday break there have been many flare ups for my poor little gal. She gets so discouraged and upset and she is generally a really funny, goofy, smart kid. Today is her birthday and she shared with us that she wishes she was really old and not only 10 because then she wouldn't have to deal with this much longer. It ripped my heart out since I feel like this crap came from nowhere and has completely taken her over. It sickens us. I know that any therapy will take time, but I want something that will feel like a slight change for her immediately. I have cried every day for about a month now. Does anyone ever feel healed of this disorder. Is there hope? It sounds more like everyone just copes and really doesn't live their fullest life once you are struck with this!!! Too young to suffer with this. HELP!!!!!!!:confused::
Charmgirl
12-27-2007, 01:58 PM
What instructions have been given when people with OCD share their thoughts. I want my daughter to tell us everything because she feels better but my response is always the same. "Don't let it scare you. It is just a simple thought, and not truly your belief. Let is come in and kick it out then, just as fast". We tell her she has the power to let it hit the "sticky spot" or move it on out. What else works?!?!??!
Charmgirl
12-27-2007, 02:04 PM
Whe my daughters symptoms got as bad as they did, (about a month ago), I knew we had to do something. As we wait to see a professional, I have several nights told my husband that I feel like we just got news of a loved one that has been physically diagnosed with a very serious illness, and the sickto your stomach feeling that doesn't go away with such horrible news. Although this is more of an emotional/mental illness it feels even worse then a physical illness because I feel like as parents we can't even see her pain to help her. I almost wish it was something more that we can put a treament on then to allow her to silently suffer
CatGirl1975
12-27-2007, 03:32 PM
Hi Nikki,
To answer your question, My ocd flare up relates to a particularly awful breakup I had with my long-term girlfriend at the time. The breakup spawned from her infedelity, which resulted in pregnancy. I'd rather not get into all of the reprecussions of her actions but all of this had a profound affect on me. It was the first time I "felt" dirty and tried to remedy that feeling by washing. It snowballed gradually after that.
I also remember when OCD started for me..I hope Im not jumping off track here..I picked up my first book on OCD..Im very proud that I did..It's stating everything basically what everyone is saying here..But it says that "ones childhood, upbringing or parents" doesn't trigger OCD..
I don't know if this is a trait of OCD or just me, but I can remember almost every conversation, or event in my life..I can repeat it almost word for word..My earliest memory of "counting" started when I was almost eight years old...Thats when my 17 yr old brother passed away..Which left just me and my mother, no father and no help from outside family...My mother fell apart, which I can understand, and hope I will never have to go through what she did..Anyways, Im trying to be kind here, my mother did become abusive towards me..I was the butt of her anger, anxiety and depression..Although I don't believe her abuse was on purpose..
To be in the same room was hard..As a child I carried alot of anxiety because I didn't know what "mood" my mother would be in..She would be ok one minute then POW abusive to me the next..I walked on egg shells..I remember the only way I "felt better" was to start counting everything in the room I was in or to play with my bottom lip..I remember being so nervous in the living room with my mother, I would start counting..I would be so involved, so focused on this task that when my mother sneezed or coughed, I would jump(reflex I believe) because I thought she was coming after me..
I was too young to experience the loss of my brother..I didn't have anyone to talk too...Nobody got me help...All I had was a mother who ignored me and took her anger out on me..I don't know if it is chemical or trauma that triggered OCD so long ago..
To answer your question, My ocd flare up relates to a particularly awful breakup I had with my long-term girlfriend at the time. The breakup spawned from her infedelity, which resulted in pregnancy. I'd rather not get into all of the reprecussions of her actions but all of this had a profound affect on me. It was the first time I "felt" dirty and tried to remedy that feeling by washing. It snowballed gradually after that.
I also remember when OCD started for me..I hope Im not jumping off track here..I picked up my first book on OCD..Im very proud that I did..It's stating everything basically what everyone is saying here..But it says that "ones childhood, upbringing or parents" doesn't trigger OCD..
I don't know if this is a trait of OCD or just me, but I can remember almost every conversation, or event in my life..I can repeat it almost word for word..My earliest memory of "counting" started when I was almost eight years old...Thats when my 17 yr old brother passed away..Which left just me and my mother, no father and no help from outside family...My mother fell apart, which I can understand, and hope I will never have to go through what she did..Anyways, Im trying to be kind here, my mother did become abusive towards me..I was the butt of her anger, anxiety and depression..Although I don't believe her abuse was on purpose..
To be in the same room was hard..As a child I carried alot of anxiety because I didn't know what "mood" my mother would be in..She would be ok one minute then POW abusive to me the next..I walked on egg shells..I remember the only way I "felt better" was to start counting everything in the room I was in or to play with my bottom lip..I remember being so nervous in the living room with my mother, I would start counting..I would be so involved, so focused on this task that when my mother sneezed or coughed, I would jump(reflex I believe) because I thought she was coming after me..
I was too young to experience the loss of my brother..I didn't have anyone to talk too...Nobody got me help...All I had was a mother who ignored me and took her anger out on me..I don't know if it is chemical or trauma that triggered OCD so long ago..
CaringMom
12-27-2007, 05:05 PM
My input...I believe mine started when I was in high school and was dating a guy who became obsessive, jealous, controlling, abusive... I guess this is what I have as I have never been officially (just self) diagnosed.
I have seen enough shows, articles, etc. to know that this is what I may have. I have never discussed this with anyone. (My deepest secret) That would just open old wounds from 25+ years ago!!
I function everyday just fine (I guess). My most irritating symptom is counting cars in a block! Who gives a rats butt how many cars are in a block? Drives me crazy but I remember doing this specifically when I was with him to block out any of his crap.
Married with 2 wonderful kids but I still count cars! Old habit?
I have seen enough shows, articles, etc. to know that this is what I may have. I have never discussed this with anyone. (My deepest secret) That would just open old wounds from 25+ years ago!!
I function everyday just fine (I guess). My most irritating symptom is counting cars in a block! Who gives a rats butt how many cars are in a block? Drives me crazy but I remember doing this specifically when I was with him to block out any of his crap.
Married with 2 wonderful kids but I still count cars! Old habit?
dksea
12-27-2007, 08:27 PM
First I want to say that I have a lot of respect for you BM, I find that I often agree with the advice you give and see you post here alot helping others with their struggles, that said I have to disagree with you to a large degree on some of your conclusions.
1. If OCD is totally a chemical imbalance, then medications should be able to alleviate all of our symptoms, just like having an infection. You get an infection, you take antibiotics, and your infection goes away. People that are on SSRI's or antidepressants that have OCD still exhibit symptoms of OCD, regardless of how much and how many medications they're on.
Its not always true that simply taking a medication will cure an infection. For one you have to take the right medication and dosage. For some diseases this is easy, for others its not. On top of that brain disorders are far less well understood than, say, a skin rash or strep throat. Its a much more complex system to diagnose, comparable to trying to debug a four function calculator versus a massive super computer.
Second, medications for OCD are not cures, merely treatments. I have taken medication my whole life for asthma, it helps me manage it, but not get rid of it. And even when I'm ON asthma meds I can STILL have a flare up because of changing circumstnaces. Or others with diabetes. There are medications you have to take daily to help you manage it, but even while on these medications you aren't 100% secure, you still have to monitor your blood sugar, etc. OCD meds are for managing the disease, unfortunately there is no cure yet.
2. In 99% of the cases of OCD, there are underlying issues that the person is experiencing, or don't realize that can trigger the onset of OCD.
I would agree that outside stimuli can trigger incidences of OCD, but very often these are things that ALSO affect our brain chemistry. THis is not to say that the experience isn't part of it, just that how we experience the world and how our brain chemistry works are inextricably tied. We can't have experiences without our brain working.
3. If OCD is a chemical imbalance, then why is the age of onset anywhere from 4 years old, to 65 years old? If someone has a chemical imbalance, they should exhibit symptoms of OCD from childbirth.
Why does asthma and diabetes occur at varying time in our lives? Why do other mental disorders occur at differing times in our lives? Cause our heads are complex mixed up chemical machines and various circumstances can throw them out of whack! :) Puberty, old age, trauma, etc. Our brains are constantly shifting and changing. Diseases aren't an all or nothing type of thing, like machines humans can break down. My car didn't have problems when i first got it, but years of use and suddenly you have to fix the battery or the starter or the alternator, etc. Too bad we can't plugin parts in to our brain to replace the worn out ones ;-)
4. I think that it's easier for people to take the "easy" way out and say this is all a chemical imbalance because it's easier to say that then to dig deep down inside ourselves and take a good look at what's going on. That takes lots of hard work and years of thearpy to do.
I think this part is very true, but whether or not it is true doesn't actually change whether or not it is a chemical imbalance or not.
In truth accepting that OCD is caused by a chemical imbalance isn't going to be enough, even if you take drugs, because it affects how we live and percieve the world. Until they advance far enough to get a pill that completely fixes the brain we have to deal with managing the disease, and while SSRI's do a great job of helping that, they only help, they don't cure. Thats why its important to do therapy as well, because the drugs aren't the answer. But neither is therapy alone. It helps greatly but studies have shown that both drugs AND therapy are more effective than either alone.
The key I hope people take away from my reply is that its important to approach any prolem like this one from as multiple angles. I learned this lesson the hard way, for most of the past 15 years of my OCD i did exactly what BM is saying and focused on it as a primarily chemistry problem, which was fine as long as the meds were working, but for times when it got exascerbated, like two months ago, i realized that the meds weren't enough. I needed more help and thats when i turned to CBT. The medication is great, the CBT is great, together they are making my life a lot better. Now I don't have to rely on the medication alone, I have a safety net. Nor do I have to rely on the CBT alone. Just like a diabetic controls their disaease through medication, excercise and diet. The most effective solution is the multi-pronged one. Medication is important, therapy is important, hard work is important. And this board is important because we can help each other. We aren't just machines, we can't simply swap out broken parts. We are complex people who can help each other. Think how far the understanding of OCD has come in the last 30 years. I can only hope that 30 years from now things will be that much better and maybe smeday we won't have to deal with it anymore. That would be a really great Christmas gift in my mind :)
No one in my family has OCD except me, so I do not subscribe to the theory that OCD is hereditary. There are many people that I know that do not have parents or relatives that have OCD, so I'm not sure how you can say for sure that OCD is a hereditary disorder.
I never said that being stressd causes OCD. I said that stress and anxiety will bring the OCD symptoms to the surface.
As far as your dedication to the "chemical" theory, I also said:
So as you see, I support the theory that OCD is learned and a way for our minds to deal with stress, but I also believe that some people do have a chemical imbalance. People don't want to hear that it's a psychological issue, everyone wants to hear that you can pop a pill and make everything go away, but that's just not the case.
You also said that people often flare up while they're at their happiest, and I addressed that issue in another post.:D[/QUOTE]
1. If OCD is totally a chemical imbalance, then medications should be able to alleviate all of our symptoms, just like having an infection. You get an infection, you take antibiotics, and your infection goes away. People that are on SSRI's or antidepressants that have OCD still exhibit symptoms of OCD, regardless of how much and how many medications they're on.
Its not always true that simply taking a medication will cure an infection. For one you have to take the right medication and dosage. For some diseases this is easy, for others its not. On top of that brain disorders are far less well understood than, say, a skin rash or strep throat. Its a much more complex system to diagnose, comparable to trying to debug a four function calculator versus a massive super computer.
Second, medications for OCD are not cures, merely treatments. I have taken medication my whole life for asthma, it helps me manage it, but not get rid of it. And even when I'm ON asthma meds I can STILL have a flare up because of changing circumstnaces. Or others with diabetes. There are medications you have to take daily to help you manage it, but even while on these medications you aren't 100% secure, you still have to monitor your blood sugar, etc. OCD meds are for managing the disease, unfortunately there is no cure yet.
2. In 99% of the cases of OCD, there are underlying issues that the person is experiencing, or don't realize that can trigger the onset of OCD.
I would agree that outside stimuli can trigger incidences of OCD, but very often these are things that ALSO affect our brain chemistry. THis is not to say that the experience isn't part of it, just that how we experience the world and how our brain chemistry works are inextricably tied. We can't have experiences without our brain working.
3. If OCD is a chemical imbalance, then why is the age of onset anywhere from 4 years old, to 65 years old? If someone has a chemical imbalance, they should exhibit symptoms of OCD from childbirth.
Why does asthma and diabetes occur at varying time in our lives? Why do other mental disorders occur at differing times in our lives? Cause our heads are complex mixed up chemical machines and various circumstances can throw them out of whack! :) Puberty, old age, trauma, etc. Our brains are constantly shifting and changing. Diseases aren't an all or nothing type of thing, like machines humans can break down. My car didn't have problems when i first got it, but years of use and suddenly you have to fix the battery or the starter or the alternator, etc. Too bad we can't plugin parts in to our brain to replace the worn out ones ;-)
4. I think that it's easier for people to take the "easy" way out and say this is all a chemical imbalance because it's easier to say that then to dig deep down inside ourselves and take a good look at what's going on. That takes lots of hard work and years of thearpy to do.
I think this part is very true, but whether or not it is true doesn't actually change whether or not it is a chemical imbalance or not.
In truth accepting that OCD is caused by a chemical imbalance isn't going to be enough, even if you take drugs, because it affects how we live and percieve the world. Until they advance far enough to get a pill that completely fixes the brain we have to deal with managing the disease, and while SSRI's do a great job of helping that, they only help, they don't cure. Thats why its important to do therapy as well, because the drugs aren't the answer. But neither is therapy alone. It helps greatly but studies have shown that both drugs AND therapy are more effective than either alone.
The key I hope people take away from my reply is that its important to approach any prolem like this one from as multiple angles. I learned this lesson the hard way, for most of the past 15 years of my OCD i did exactly what BM is saying and focused on it as a primarily chemistry problem, which was fine as long as the meds were working, but for times when it got exascerbated, like two months ago, i realized that the meds weren't enough. I needed more help and thats when i turned to CBT. The medication is great, the CBT is great, together they are making my life a lot better. Now I don't have to rely on the medication alone, I have a safety net. Nor do I have to rely on the CBT alone. Just like a diabetic controls their disaease through medication, excercise and diet. The most effective solution is the multi-pronged one. Medication is important, therapy is important, hard work is important. And this board is important because we can help each other. We aren't just machines, we can't simply swap out broken parts. We are complex people who can help each other. Think how far the understanding of OCD has come in the last 30 years. I can only hope that 30 years from now things will be that much better and maybe smeday we won't have to deal with it anymore. That would be a really great Christmas gift in my mind :)
No one in my family has OCD except me, so I do not subscribe to the theory that OCD is hereditary. There are many people that I know that do not have parents or relatives that have OCD, so I'm not sure how you can say for sure that OCD is a hereditary disorder.
I never said that being stressd causes OCD. I said that stress and anxiety will bring the OCD symptoms to the surface.
As far as your dedication to the "chemical" theory, I also said:
So as you see, I support the theory that OCD is learned and a way for our minds to deal with stress, but I also believe that some people do have a chemical imbalance. People don't want to hear that it's a psychological issue, everyone wants to hear that you can pop a pill and make everything go away, but that's just not the case.
You also said that people often flare up while they're at their happiest, and I addressed that issue in another post.:D[/QUOTE]
BadMalibu
12-28-2007, 02:31 AM
Hey Everyone-
Thanks for all your input, I really appreciate hearing different opinions from everyone on where we think our OCD comes from.
It sounds more like everyone just copes and really doesn't live their fullest life once you are struck with this!
I agree with half of this statement, but I disagree with the other half. First off Charm, you're right. Most of us here cope with OCD because as of right now there is no cure. The best treatment is therapy and medication and with those two things, OCD can be managed. Secondly, I very much disagree with you saying that none of us here live our lives to the fullest. I for one can say that I do everything I want to do and lead a pretty healthy and fullfilling life.
I still stick to my theory that OCD is not simply a chemical imbalance and can manifest itself at anytime during life as a reaction to high amounts of stress and anxiety:
To be in the same room was hard..As a child I carried alot of anxiety because I didn't know what "mood" my mother would be in..She would be ok one minute then POW abusive to me the next
I was too young to experience the loss of my brother..I didn't have anyone to talk too...Nobody got me help...All I had was a mother who ignored me and took her anger out on me.
I believe mine started when I was in high school and was dating a guy who became obsessive, jealous, controlling, abusive.
Oh, and DK your points were very well taken and very well written, so thank you very much for your input. Again, I'm not saying that OCD is 100% learned, and I know and understand that serotonin and dopamine play a large role in some OCD patients, but I just want people to understand what causes flare ups and how looking inside ones self through therapy can really ellivate alot of the symptoms.
So for me, right now I still stick to the 80% - 20% theory, which is OCD is 80% reaction to enviornmental issues and 20% chemical.:D
Thanks for all your input, I really appreciate hearing different opinions from everyone on where we think our OCD comes from.
It sounds more like everyone just copes and really doesn't live their fullest life once you are struck with this!
I agree with half of this statement, but I disagree with the other half. First off Charm, you're right. Most of us here cope with OCD because as of right now there is no cure. The best treatment is therapy and medication and with those two things, OCD can be managed. Secondly, I very much disagree with you saying that none of us here live our lives to the fullest. I for one can say that I do everything I want to do and lead a pretty healthy and fullfilling life.
I still stick to my theory that OCD is not simply a chemical imbalance and can manifest itself at anytime during life as a reaction to high amounts of stress and anxiety:
To be in the same room was hard..As a child I carried alot of anxiety because I didn't know what "mood" my mother would be in..She would be ok one minute then POW abusive to me the next
I was too young to experience the loss of my brother..I didn't have anyone to talk too...Nobody got me help...All I had was a mother who ignored me and took her anger out on me.
I believe mine started when I was in high school and was dating a guy who became obsessive, jealous, controlling, abusive.
Oh, and DK your points were very well taken and very well written, so thank you very much for your input. Again, I'm not saying that OCD is 100% learned, and I know and understand that serotonin and dopamine play a large role in some OCD patients, but I just want people to understand what causes flare ups and how looking inside ones self through therapy can really ellivate alot of the symptoms.
So for me, right now I still stick to the 80% - 20% theory, which is OCD is 80% reaction to enviornmental issues and 20% chemical.:D
CatGirl1975
12-28-2007, 09:31 AM
I am learning about OCD through this board, books and the net. I strongly believe that the anxiety I suffered at the age of 8 was too much trauma for my young mind to handle. I feel that my nervous system was "overloaded" and I only found relief by counting. I also had other little rituals as well, like overly praying.Then when I started jr high school the bus drove over railroad tracks to and from school, I had to touch a screw and lift my feet(said this in another tread) if I didn't do this, I felt something "bad" would happen in school that day...I also went through a small bout of picking my wrist with a saftey pin, making small pokes across forming lines..
I do agree with BadMalibu just because how could a 8yr old suddendly have a chemical imbalance when all was fine before...Children feed off of their environment..Most children that come from a happy, stable home usually do well in school and are happy themselves..They have a sence of security and well being..
I don't want to dwell on my childhood and blame or bash my mother here..We all have childhood issues..Im just trying to pin point when the OCD started..Even though I didn't have a father in the home..I did have a sence of security..Our home was happy, lots of laughter..I was a "mommy's girl", always sitting on her lap..But like I said before, that all changed when my brother passed..I lost my sence of security..It all changed over night..
I do agree with BadMalibu just because how could a 8yr old suddendly have a chemical imbalance when all was fine before...Children feed off of their environment..Most children that come from a happy, stable home usually do well in school and are happy themselves..They have a sence of security and well being..
I don't want to dwell on my childhood and blame or bash my mother here..We all have childhood issues..Im just trying to pin point when the OCD started..Even though I didn't have a father in the home..I did have a sence of security..Our home was happy, lots of laughter..I was a "mommy's girl", always sitting on her lap..But like I said before, that all changed when my brother passed..I lost my sence of security..It all changed over night..
Linda in MI
12-28-2007, 12:45 PM
Hi Charmgirl,
I just wanted to jump in here to let you know that I am the mother of an 11-year-old boy who has OCD. (His birthday is also Dec. 27th!) If you have not made an appointment for your daughter to see a professional, I recommend you do that soon. And do not assume that this is your fault! There are countless reasons why her OCD may have flared up now. My son's OCD began to manifest itself right after his grandfather was killed in a car accident. I also agree that kids with other illnesses get all the sympathy and attention, when this disorder can be just as debilitating. It is heartbreaking whenever you have to watch your child suffer. I do agree with Bad Malibu, though, that even though there is no "cure," your daughter can still lead a very fulfilling life.
By the way, I am finding this thread quite interesting! I see both environmental and chemical reasons for my son's OCD.
Linda
I just wanted to jump in here to let you know that I am the mother of an 11-year-old boy who has OCD. (His birthday is also Dec. 27th!) If you have not made an appointment for your daughter to see a professional, I recommend you do that soon. And do not assume that this is your fault! There are countless reasons why her OCD may have flared up now. My son's OCD began to manifest itself right after his grandfather was killed in a car accident. I also agree that kids with other illnesses get all the sympathy and attention, when this disorder can be just as debilitating. It is heartbreaking whenever you have to watch your child suffer. I do agree with Bad Malibu, though, that even though there is no "cure," your daughter can still lead a very fulfilling life.
By the way, I am finding this thread quite interesting! I see both environmental and chemical reasons for my son's OCD.
Linda
Charmgirl
12-28-2007, 12:53 PM
Hi Charmgirl,
I just wanted to jump in here to let you know that I am the mother of an 11-year-old boy who has OCD. (His birthday is also Dec. 27th!) If you have not made an appointment for your daughter to see a professional, I recommend you do that soon. And do not assume that this is your fault! There are countless reasons why her OCD may have flared up now. My son's OCD began to manifest itself right after his grandfather was killed in a car accident. I also agree that kids with other illnesses get all the sympathy and attention, when this disorder can be just as debilitating. It is heartbreaking whenever you have to watch your child suffer. I do agree with Bad Malibu, though, that even though there is no "cure," your daughter can still lead a very fulfilling life.
By the way, I am finding this thread quite interesting! I see both environmental and chemical reasons for my son's OCD.
Linda
I just wanted to jump in here to let you know that I am the mother of an 11-year-old boy who has OCD. (His birthday is also Dec. 27th!) If you have not made an appointment for your daughter to see a professional, I recommend you do that soon. And do not assume that this is your fault! There are countless reasons why her OCD may have flared up now. My son's OCD began to manifest itself right after his grandfather was killed in a car accident. I also agree that kids with other illnesses get all the sympathy and attention, when this disorder can be just as debilitating. It is heartbreaking whenever you have to watch your child suffer. I do agree with Bad Malibu, though, that even though there is no "cure," your daughter can still lead a very fulfilling life.
By the way, I am finding this thread quite interesting! I see both environmental and chemical reasons for my son's OCD.
Linda
Charmgirl
12-28-2007, 12:59 PM
Thank you for coming forward Linda! Sometimes I find it hard to help my daughter since I can only try to understand, but do not feel this myself. What has worked for you in trying to help him cope. Is there something you say to him that you have found helpful in settling his mind. My little gal is a very happy person! She has many interests and as soon as she has a dull moment, WHAM, she is finding me to share an intrusive thought. I try to downplay the thought, I never get upset about it when I am discussing it with her, and I try to tell her that she has the power and the control to let it stay or let it "unstick" and move on. I find that several reading materials are gearded toward an older crowd. Half the words she would not even understand. I need something from a child, about children with OCD that she can listen to or read and feel better about. HELP!!
Charmgirl
12-28-2007, 01:20 PM
My daughter has also suffered from several deaths over the past five years or so. My mother passed away in 2002 and we were very very close. My daughter and I did everything with her. Adjusting to her being gone was huge. We often speak of her and cry(a lot) and laugh at good times as well.. Two years after that, my uncle (my only living relative besides siblings), had passed away. This was also a very close relative and a terrific loss. We coped with his passing and now still laugh and reminisce and cry from time to time as well.. I find that my daughter speaks often of death and has a huge fear of me ever leaving her. She tells me she is never going to marry and wants to live with my husband and I forever. We laugh and tell her that we want her to be wherever she would be happy, but deep down now...I wonder. I know she is anxious about unnecessary things. I told her at this age she has no worries. We try to stress that she needs to relax and enjoy her life and in everything she does, and everywhere she goes to try and see the good. We say things at the end of each day like..."What was the worse thing that happened today and what was the best. We "solve" the bad thing or discuss how it could be made "better" . The thoughts that bother me though are always the farthest from the truth. She will say "I thought about Nanna today and I really don't think I care so much that she died". Then I will say obviously you do or why are you crying. She will say because I think it is true but I am not sure.
I don't know how to handle the answer to that. I know she doesn't mean it. I think it is upsetting because it is furthest from the truth but her brain cannot comprehend that at that time. She has had very intrusive thoughts about each of us in the household one at a time. The latest thoughts now are directed towards my other daughter. They are very close so it is breaking her heart to hear these comments! Who else has experienced that. How long does a "thought" last???
I don't know how to handle the answer to that. I know she doesn't mean it. I think it is upsetting because it is furthest from the truth but her brain cannot comprehend that at that time. She has had very intrusive thoughts about each of us in the household one at a time. The latest thoughts now are directed towards my other daughter. They are very close so it is breaking her heart to hear these comments! Who else has experienced that. How long does a "thought" last???
BadMalibu
12-28-2007, 01:28 PM
How long does a "thought" last???
Charm-
The thoughts can come and go quickly depending on if the person just lets the thought pass idly by. One technique that is taught in CBT is to just let the thoughts pass because when you start to think about them is when you give them more power than they should have. It also depends on the person and if their on medications and in therapy.:D
Charm-
The thoughts can come and go quickly depending on if the person just lets the thought pass idly by. One technique that is taught in CBT is to just let the thoughts pass because when you start to think about them is when you give them more power than they should have. It also depends on the person and if their on medications and in therapy.:D
dksea
12-28-2007, 03:18 PM
I do agree with BadMalibu just because how could a 8yr old suddendly have a chemical imbalance when all was fine before...Children feed off of their environment..Most children that come from a happy, stable home usually do well in school and are happy themselves..They have a sence of security and well being..
Its not so much that the brain suddenly would change, more that you reach a tipping point, a traumatic experience being a sort of last straw. A person could allready be vulnerable to OCD occuring, a traumatic experience may just trigger it sooner rather than later
Its not so much that the brain suddenly would change, more that you reach a tipping point, a traumatic experience being a sort of last straw. A person could allready be vulnerable to OCD occuring, a traumatic experience may just trigger it sooner rather than later
Linda in MI
12-28-2007, 04:43 PM
Its not so much that the brain suddenly would change, more that you reach a tipping point, a traumatic experience being a sort of last straw. A person could allready be vulnerable to OCD occuring, a traumatic experience may just trigger it sooner rather than later
Dksea,
Well said!
I still don't know whether OCD is environmental or chemical - there are so many valid arguments to support both sides. I just wish that more money would be put towards research and the public could become more educated regarding OCD. I have found it to be misunderstood by most people.
Linda
Dksea,
Well said!
I still don't know whether OCD is environmental or chemical - there are so many valid arguments to support both sides. I just wish that more money would be put towards research and the public could become more educated regarding OCD. I have found it to be misunderstood by most people.
Linda
nikki16
12-28-2007, 06:28 PM
I have a different theory altogether. I think OCD is a direct result of personality-type, helped along by environmental factors. I think we can all agree that we are very similar in the way that we are sensitive over-thinkers. Now, not all overly analytical people have OCD, but I think they all COULD BE under the certain circumstances...ei: growing up with anxious parents, or going through a stressful situation that can breed anxiety, fear and worry without the proper coping skills to handle the conditions.
If we took an unscientific poll I think we would find that we are all more linked personality-wise to OCD then to the genetic component.
In my opinion, the chemical imbalance comes from OCD..the OCD doesn't come from the imbalance...it's not pre-determined...it is a direct result of irrational thoughts getting out of control. We ARE able to control these thoughts, we just have to learn how.
Dunno if that made any sense, but that's my thoughts.
If we took an unscientific poll I think we would find that we are all more linked personality-wise to OCD then to the genetic component.
In my opinion, the chemical imbalance comes from OCD..the OCD doesn't come from the imbalance...it's not pre-determined...it is a direct result of irrational thoughts getting out of control. We ARE able to control these thoughts, we just have to learn how.
Dunno if that made any sense, but that's my thoughts.
dksea
12-28-2007, 08:20 PM
I still don't know whether OCD is environmental or chemical
I think the answer is both. The root cause or root factor is chemical, but the enviornmental factors play a huge part in how it affects us, when and how it manifests, etc, because how our brain respods to our environmen IS chemical.
My guess is that if we were at the level of understanding of the brain where we could figure out what switch (or switches) to flip to stop the over-reaction in our brains to certain stimuli, we could cure OCD for the most part, BUT there would still be lingering effects caused by our learned behaviors ad traumas while suffering from OCD, AND at present we don't have anywhere NEAR that knowledge yet, we can only manage it. It really is like asthma. I can take medicine that provides temporary and/or long term relief, but even though its root cause is a biological flaw of sme sort, its the environmental factors that trigger it. Medicine helps mnage it, but you also have to be aware of the enviornmental aspect, same as OCD.
I think the answer is both. The root cause or root factor is chemical, but the enviornmental factors play a huge part in how it affects us, when and how it manifests, etc, because how our brain respods to our environmen IS chemical.
My guess is that if we were at the level of understanding of the brain where we could figure out what switch (or switches) to flip to stop the over-reaction in our brains to certain stimuli, we could cure OCD for the most part, BUT there would still be lingering effects caused by our learned behaviors ad traumas while suffering from OCD, AND at present we don't have anywhere NEAR that knowledge yet, we can only manage it. It really is like asthma. I can take medicine that provides temporary and/or long term relief, but even though its root cause is a biological flaw of sme sort, its the environmental factors that trigger it. Medicine helps mnage it, but you also have to be aware of the enviornmental aspect, same as OCD.
eyesworld
12-28-2007, 10:52 PM
Secondly, if it we're true that OCD was totally a chemical imbalance, then everyone who has OCD right now would have exhibited symptoms of OCD since childhood, and that's not the case since the onset of OCD can happen as early as 5 years old, or as late in life as age 65.
my son's OCD, while it does run in the family, came on strong after he had a bad case of strep at age 11. There has been found to be a connection.
my son's OCD, while it does run in the family, came on strong after he had a bad case of strep at age 11. There has been found to be a connection.
Birdbreath
12-28-2007, 11:17 PM
I've always believed that there were reasons to the way we are now too.. I don't know if I can say in all ways or for everybody, but I know that for myself, I think I know where it came from. I think problems that we've experienced changed our brain chemistry; we can change it back in ways without medication as well.
eyesworld
12-28-2007, 11:35 PM
all of the CBT I've read about confirms that brain chemistry CAN be changed through
relabel
reattribute
refocus
&
revalue
(from Jeffrey Schwartz's book-Brain Lock)
you just have to DO IT!!! (easy for me to say) It is definitely hard work
they have PET scans that show the difference
relabel
reattribute
refocus
&
revalue
(from Jeffrey Schwartz's book-Brain Lock)
you just have to DO IT!!! (easy for me to say) It is definitely hard work
they have PET scans that show the difference
BadMalibu
12-29-2007, 12:45 AM
I still don't know whether OCD is environmental or chemical - there are so many valid arguments to support both sides.
Linda is very right when she says there is plenty of evidence both ways to support environmental and chemical issues, but not causes of OCD and I know there is plenty of evidence because of all the wonderful posts I've been reading on this thread.
I think OCD is a direct result of personality-type, helped along by environmental factors.
This is another theory that wasn't discussed so thank you Nikki for bringing this into the conversation. My therapist tells me that certain people are more prone to OCD than other people, and usually these people are highly intelligent and highly sensitive to themselves and their surroundings, not to mention over analyzers and over thinkers. I can tell you that I fit into the sensitive/overthinker category myself.
because how our brain respods to our environment IS chemical.
I'd like to open another topic here for discussion, and again it has to do with chemicals in the brain and what DK just said. During a presentation by a neurologist, the doctor presented slides of MRI's from OCD patients and wanted us to note the significant changes in blood flow and activity in certain areas of the brain of an OCD person versus someone who does not have OCD since he also subscribed to the theory that OCD is 100% chemically related.
Of course I got a little nervous, so I asked my therapist since I don't want to believe that OCD is completely chemical in nature. My therapist asked me, without missing a beat, when the MRI was taken. Was it taken during an OCD/anxiety moment, or was it taken when the person was at complete rest? I told him the neurologist did not say, to which he responded it was no surprise since the patients were most likely being told to think about something very anxiety provoking.
My point is that our thoughts/stress/anxiety/worries/environment can all trigger chemical changes in the brain which can cause symptoms of OCD, just as the body will pump adrenaline into the blood stream during times of stress. It's no mystery that the mind affects the body and the body affects the mind, but I guess my question is, which way does it go?
I would like to conclude by saying that I think environmental issues such as stress and anxiety will create physiological changes in the brain which then in turn can cause symptoms of OCD. That satisfies both sides, but it doesn't subscribe to either theory that the enviornment or chemicals are totally responsible for OCD.:D
Linda is very right when she says there is plenty of evidence both ways to support environmental and chemical issues, but not causes of OCD and I know there is plenty of evidence because of all the wonderful posts I've been reading on this thread.
I think OCD is a direct result of personality-type, helped along by environmental factors.
This is another theory that wasn't discussed so thank you Nikki for bringing this into the conversation. My therapist tells me that certain people are more prone to OCD than other people, and usually these people are highly intelligent and highly sensitive to themselves and their surroundings, not to mention over analyzers and over thinkers. I can tell you that I fit into the sensitive/overthinker category myself.
because how our brain respods to our environment IS chemical.
I'd like to open another topic here for discussion, and again it has to do with chemicals in the brain and what DK just said. During a presentation by a neurologist, the doctor presented slides of MRI's from OCD patients and wanted us to note the significant changes in blood flow and activity in certain areas of the brain of an OCD person versus someone who does not have OCD since he also subscribed to the theory that OCD is 100% chemically related.
Of course I got a little nervous, so I asked my therapist since I don't want to believe that OCD is completely chemical in nature. My therapist asked me, without missing a beat, when the MRI was taken. Was it taken during an OCD/anxiety moment, or was it taken when the person was at complete rest? I told him the neurologist did not say, to which he responded it was no surprise since the patients were most likely being told to think about something very anxiety provoking.
My point is that our thoughts/stress/anxiety/worries/environment can all trigger chemical changes in the brain which can cause symptoms of OCD, just as the body will pump adrenaline into the blood stream during times of stress. It's no mystery that the mind affects the body and the body affects the mind, but I guess my question is, which way does it go?
I would like to conclude by saying that I think environmental issues such as stress and anxiety will create physiological changes in the brain which then in turn can cause symptoms of OCD. That satisfies both sides, but it doesn't subscribe to either theory that the enviornment or chemicals are totally responsible for OCD.:D

