TitanicRose
01-06-2008, 12:07 AM
Why does acid reflux attack cause your heart to pound?
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Vanessa74
01-06-2008, 11:37 AM
I'm not sure why that is -- and I know that it does not happen to everyone -- but I have read that severe acid can effect the 'Vagus Nerve' and this can cuase the heart pounding and pain. Try looking into that - it may give you some peace of mind - and best of luck to you - I wish you all the best.
Vanessa
Vanessa
TitanicRose
01-10-2008, 09:14 AM
Thanks so much Vanessa! I will check to see if I can find more on this. I just discovered a website that swears that Organic Apple Cider Vinegar taken with Honey cures acid reflux! I am going to try this and will report back. There are tons of letters of testimonials. At this point I am willing to try anything that safely works. Again, many thanks for your response. Have a Great Day! :) TitanicRose
Ol'Line Rebel
01-10-2008, 10:08 AM
I do think part of it is IF you have had so much acid that your esophagus is "wearing thin", if you will (maybe even if you don't have esophagitis yet), that the vagus nerve is more irritated as the esop is irritated.
OTOH, I think many of us experienced some heart palpitations BEFORE we even knew we had a real "stomach" problem. So I doubt it's all because the esop is worn down.
This may tie into my other view. The vagus nerve controls both the heart pumping AND digestive functions, including lower esophageal sphincter (LES) and stomach contractions and pyloric sphincter....and on down to intestinal motility.
When I took Reglan to try to step up my stomach motility and LES function, very quickly my heart went through the roof. It DEFINITELY was connected and I stopped the med right away. No great concern by doc's per se, but it was causing total lack of control for my heart.
So, perhaps all this means is that the whole vagus nerve is malfunctioning? If you're genuinely having LES problems, and you're getting heart palps (even sometimes), 1 has to wonder if that's the real issue.
OTOH, I think many of us experienced some heart palpitations BEFORE we even knew we had a real "stomach" problem. So I doubt it's all because the esop is worn down.
This may tie into my other view. The vagus nerve controls both the heart pumping AND digestive functions, including lower esophageal sphincter (LES) and stomach contractions and pyloric sphincter....and on down to intestinal motility.
When I took Reglan to try to step up my stomach motility and LES function, very quickly my heart went through the roof. It DEFINITELY was connected and I stopped the med right away. No great concern by doc's per se, but it was causing total lack of control for my heart.
So, perhaps all this means is that the whole vagus nerve is malfunctioning? If you're genuinely having LES problems, and you're getting heart palps (even sometimes), 1 has to wonder if that's the real issue.
niecsey
01-10-2008, 02:36 PM
Titanicrose lm goign to start the organic apple cider vinegar tommorow too!!Good luck (hope it tastes ok lol) wonder how long before we feel some benefit?
TitanicRose
01-23-2008, 08:54 PM
Niecsey...Good Luck! I wish you all the best. It helped me in leaps and bounds. God Bless!:angel: TitanicRose
TitanicRose
01-23-2008, 09:09 PM
Hi OL'Line Rebel...Thanks for your response to my question! Actually, I don't get heart palpatations from it, I take medication for that and have for 27 years. That was due to stress..why I was originally put on Inderal. My heart races/pounds when I would get the attacks. That is why I was wondering what would cause that. When the pain subsides, so does the pounding.
Before my husband had to stop working due to his legs and operations, which put him out of his job, I had insurance. He had to take an early retirement, and was able to get insurance thru the VA. I lost mine, as it was thru his when he worked. I currently do not have insurance, but paid out of pocket to see my prior doctor. He diagnosed me with acid reflux and put me on Prisolec, and then Zantac. Neither worked to good.
I am not sure if it's acid...that is my problem. With the vinegar helping I am wondering if it's that I don't have enuff acid, or even if it's alkaline. To make matters worse, my doctor left his practice not to long ago. to go to Ga to help his parents out. So, now it's back to square one. I am still seeking a program that will assist with the costs of any tests I may need, and looking for a doctor.
Just the same, thanks for your input! God Bless!:angel: TitanicRose
Before my husband had to stop working due to his legs and operations, which put him out of his job, I had insurance. He had to take an early retirement, and was able to get insurance thru the VA. I lost mine, as it was thru his when he worked. I currently do not have insurance, but paid out of pocket to see my prior doctor. He diagnosed me with acid reflux and put me on Prisolec, and then Zantac. Neither worked to good.
I am not sure if it's acid...that is my problem. With the vinegar helping I am wondering if it's that I don't have enuff acid, or even if it's alkaline. To make matters worse, my doctor left his practice not to long ago. to go to Ga to help his parents out. So, now it's back to square one. I am still seeking a program that will assist with the costs of any tests I may need, and looking for a doctor.
Just the same, thanks for your input! God Bless!:angel: TitanicRose
niecsey
01-24-2008, 07:46 AM
Just to let you know sorry about my earlier typos :( lol l gave up on the acv and now lm taking manuka honey might introduce the acv back after this week will let you know how it goes cheers xx
Ol'Line Rebel
01-24-2008, 11:34 AM
I'm sorry, I just assumed palpitations (PACs or PVCs). But yes, there is ALSO "pounding"/racing involved. I experienced all of that, even before I knew I had a GI problem. I don't get it much, but it happens. I typically had it happen when I would lie down and start sleeping.
It's just the pounding didn't bother me as much as the PACs.
But it's all related (or can be - doesn't mean something else isn't going on). As the ER doctor told me when I went there for severe problems from taking Reglan which works on the vagus nerve, et al, "it's a control problem" - i.e., the vagus nerve controlling how the heart works. I have no heart problem per se, just a control problem in my nervous system, undoubtedly due to this damn reflux/gastroparesis.
It's just the pounding didn't bother me as much as the PACs.
But it's all related (or can be - doesn't mean something else isn't going on). As the ER doctor told me when I went there for severe problems from taking Reglan which works on the vagus nerve, et al, "it's a control problem" - i.e., the vagus nerve controlling how the heart works. I have no heart problem per se, just a control problem in my nervous system, undoubtedly due to this damn reflux/gastroparesis.
TitanicRose
01-24-2008, 10:47 PM
Hello Ol'Line Rebel :) Thats quite alright, I am grateful for any opinions, or whatever is offered from anyone! I know the palps are annoying, actually they are both like the lesser of two evils,lol.
I appreciated what you had to say, and surely hope you too are feeling better. Of all the things I have had in life, this ar is right up on the top of my list! I am always open to learning new things and interested in what other people have to say. One thing I have learned in my old age, is we are NEVER to old to learn,lol! Well wishes to you, and God Bless!:angel: Rose
I appreciated what you had to say, and surely hope you too are feeling better. Of all the things I have had in life, this ar is right up on the top of my list! I am always open to learning new things and interested in what other people have to say. One thing I have learned in my old age, is we are NEVER to old to learn,lol! Well wishes to you, and God Bless!:angel: Rose
flowergirl2day
01-24-2008, 10:56 PM
Hi, :)
I am not sure if it's acid...that is my problem. With the vinegar helping I am wondering if it's that I don't have enuff acid, or even if it's alkaline.
I thought I'd mention that when I questioned the pharmacist about the safety of long-term use of Nexium, I was told that taking it over a long period of time SHOULD be OK, as long as the right conditions in the stomach are maintained. She said this could be achieved with the use of Calcium citrate - which I'd been taking already anyway. :)
I hope you'll find a solution to your problem and that everything will work out for you!
Good luck,
flowergirl
I am not sure if it's acid...that is my problem. With the vinegar helping I am wondering if it's that I don't have enuff acid, or even if it's alkaline.
I thought I'd mention that when I questioned the pharmacist about the safety of long-term use of Nexium, I was told that taking it over a long period of time SHOULD be OK, as long as the right conditions in the stomach are maintained. She said this could be achieved with the use of Calcium citrate - which I'd been taking already anyway. :)
I hope you'll find a solution to your problem and that everything will work out for you!
Good luck,
flowergirl
DKTemp
01-26-2008, 11:12 AM
Wow...I've had reflux for a long time, and it's been gradually getting worse. Over the last few months, I have developed palpatations, which mostly happen at night when I yawn or take a deep breath.
Of course I worried about my heart, I do have high blood pressure. My doctor has me on Metoprolol for it, which also regulates heartbeat and can be used to treat palpatations. She said it was probably because something interfered with the absorption of the metoprolol, and that was causing the palps.
But I never thought it could be the reflux, but it makes more sense. I've been on metoprolol for a couple of years, and the palps have just started recently. It would seem to conincide with the increase of gerd symptoms.
Anybody have any luck making the palps go away? I agree, they're not as bad as the reflux, but still...when you're having bad heartburn, plus palps, it scares the bejezus out of you...which makes the whole situation worse.
Of course I worried about my heart, I do have high blood pressure. My doctor has me on Metoprolol for it, which also regulates heartbeat and can be used to treat palpatations. She said it was probably because something interfered with the absorption of the metoprolol, and that was causing the palps.
But I never thought it could be the reflux, but it makes more sense. I've been on metoprolol for a couple of years, and the palps have just started recently. It would seem to conincide with the increase of gerd symptoms.
Anybody have any luck making the palps go away? I agree, they're not as bad as the reflux, but still...when you're having bad heartburn, plus palps, it scares the bejezus out of you...which makes the whole situation worse.
Vanessa74
01-26-2008, 11:27 AM
WOW DKTemp,
It so interesting to hear what your Dr. said - I have been on Toprol for 4 years (HBP Med) and in October my body/breathing went WHACKY as did my B/P - I felt a lot of digestive problems and asked the Dr. if something in my stomach could be causing the Toprol 'not to work right' - he dismissed it almost LAUGHING at me.
I was thinking that if your stomach is not working right - how could a 'time release' medication sit in all that mess and release properly???
Thank you - I feel some sanity returning!!! I too am be treated for GERD - going to be trying Prevacid.
Good luck to you!
It so interesting to hear what your Dr. said - I have been on Toprol for 4 years (HBP Med) and in October my body/breathing went WHACKY as did my B/P - I felt a lot of digestive problems and asked the Dr. if something in my stomach could be causing the Toprol 'not to work right' - he dismissed it almost LAUGHING at me.
I was thinking that if your stomach is not working right - how could a 'time release' medication sit in all that mess and release properly???
Thank you - I feel some sanity returning!!! I too am be treated for GERD - going to be trying Prevacid.
Good luck to you!
paxy
01-26-2008, 12:07 PM
i was having a bloated tummy for days. couldnt burp so i took veragel. then one night i came home and eat alot. i took glutinous rice, kiwi fruit, chocolate cake, milk and famotidine and went to sleep. when i was on m bed, i noticed i could hear my heart beat. i measured n it was 112. i freaked out. i told mysel it was ok....go to sleep... when i woke up e next morning, i bathe, prepared to go to work. i went to measure my heart rate again. it was 91. i measured again 100+ then 112. i was so scared, i called in to tell them i wont be going to work today. i went to see a doctor. he told me famotidine do not cause increase heart rate. he felt it was stress. anyway i m still worried.
DKTemp
01-26-2008, 12:20 PM
Vanessa74,
Sounds like your doc is as bad as mine, ha ha.
Seriously, though, I don't think you're too crazy. I will say a few months ago, I took a zinc supplement, and while I was on it my palpatations would be crazy...I'd have them all times of day, many times a day. I quit taking the zinc, and it calmed down. My doc thinks that the absorption of the zinc somehow lessened the absorption of the metoprolol, and caused the palps. Now I'm not sure I 100% believe her, but needless to say, I don't take zinc anymore.
But if that could be true, then what you describe could also be true.
Anyway, glad to provide some help. Good luck to you as well.
Sounds like your doc is as bad as mine, ha ha.
Seriously, though, I don't think you're too crazy. I will say a few months ago, I took a zinc supplement, and while I was on it my palpatations would be crazy...I'd have them all times of day, many times a day. I quit taking the zinc, and it calmed down. My doc thinks that the absorption of the zinc somehow lessened the absorption of the metoprolol, and caused the palps. Now I'm not sure I 100% believe her, but needless to say, I don't take zinc anymore.
But if that could be true, then what you describe could also be true.
Anyway, glad to provide some help. Good luck to you as well.
Khadaji
01-26-2008, 03:17 PM
I had severe reflux for all of my adult life (until a few years ago.)
Turns out I had a paraesphagial (sp) hernia. More than 75% of my stomach was in my chest cavity. The stomach had attached itself to the heart.
And so anytime I had problems in the stomach, it also impacted the heart.
Mine is an unusual case (I'm led to believe) but not so unusual that you shouldn't have it checked.
Turns out I had a paraesphagial (sp) hernia. More than 75% of my stomach was in my chest cavity. The stomach had attached itself to the heart.
And so anytime I had problems in the stomach, it also impacted the heart.
Mine is an unusual case (I'm led to believe) but not so unusual that you shouldn't have it checked.
Vanessa74
01-26-2008, 06:24 PM
Khadaj,
I am glad you are feeling better. What were your symptoms? How did they fix you?
Thanks!
I am glad you are feeling better. What were your symptoms? How did they fix you?
Thanks!
Looly
01-26-2008, 10:22 PM
In reading all these posts, I can relate to many. I wake up in the middle of the night feeling extremely warm, and when I take my blood pressure it's elevated very much and my heart beats fast. Has anyone taken their blood pressure when they get any palps? I am not on blood pressure medication as when I go to the dr my pressure is always normal, therefore no need for meds except for the wake up calls in the middle of the night which have not been so often, except for this week for some reason. A few years ago I took atenolol, a beta blocker and for me, it caused more stomach problems than I had without the pill besides severe anxiety. But everyone is different. I am so different. No one I know can understand what causes me to awake out of sleep with a racing heart, almost sweating and anxious. Lying awake I start worrying it's heart related, but I would think that if it were heart, then I would have some difficulty during the day too. I guess.
Khadaji
01-28-2008, 06:12 PM
Khadaj,
I am glad you are feeling better. What were your symptoms? How did they fix you?
Thanks!I had severe reflux every night. Would wake up choking on my own vomit, causing me to then have to empty my stomach. My heart would pound so hard sometimes I thought it would burst through my chest.
Sadly, I had a surgeon who treated me as if I had a hiatal hernia. Although they are similar, paraesphageal hernias need to be treated somewhat differently. The main way to tell the difference is the amount of stomach that is in the chest cavity. 50% or more would be a strong indicator. The basic cause is an esophagus that is too short.
Treated correctly, they fix the hernia and anchor the stomach, making sure that the esophagus has been handled properly. If you have a paraesophageal hernia, be sure you have surgeon who knows how to treat it.
In my case, after several botched operations, my stomach perforated and they removed it.
I am glad you are feeling better. What were your symptoms? How did they fix you?
Thanks!I had severe reflux every night. Would wake up choking on my own vomit, causing me to then have to empty my stomach. My heart would pound so hard sometimes I thought it would burst through my chest.
Sadly, I had a surgeon who treated me as if I had a hiatal hernia. Although they are similar, paraesphageal hernias need to be treated somewhat differently. The main way to tell the difference is the amount of stomach that is in the chest cavity. 50% or more would be a strong indicator. The basic cause is an esophagus that is too short.
Treated correctly, they fix the hernia and anchor the stomach, making sure that the esophagus has been handled properly. If you have a paraesophageal hernia, be sure you have surgeon who knows how to treat it.
In my case, after several botched operations, my stomach perforated and they removed it.
sammyo1
01-29-2008, 11:30 AM
when I recently went into my docs. office with the gerd/reflux acting up, heart palpatations, pounding, nasuea, feeling like I could not swallow & all that good stuff my doc. said that indeed it was the reflux causes it all including shortness of breath. She did not say why but if I have to go back in I will ask. I was so happy she acknowlegded that is was not in my head, she did say happens often shortly after going to bed, everthing relaxes including the esohpagus & that is when the old reflux starts. I will not eat much at night & am trying the Zantac at bedtime. I will say that it was alot worse during my monthly cycle, it went bonkers. I feel for anywone with this, it is scary. I think the fear alone will skyrocket your pulse rate, I know my goes way up. The doc. also said stress will definantly cause the reflux to act up. Good luck, Sammy
niecsey
01-29-2008, 11:59 AM
Hi just want to say that l in the past used to get palpatations after eatling speedy heart etc infact quite a few poeple did who had thyroid problems just thought l would mention it :)
sammyo1
01-30-2008, 08:14 AM
That is why I love these boards, although I have had my thyroid checked I understand there is more then just one test, outside the standard tests. So I will definantly keep that in mind. Thanks Sammy
monkey5
02-07-2008, 08:07 PM
Hey there i just found out i have a hernia. It's called a umbilical hernia but i find this so how do i know?
Includes umbilical (around the navel), epigastic (above the navel), and hyogastric (below the navel) abdominal hernias
Do i just wait till i see the dr.? I am kinda excited as i truly believe this might be the cause to my nauseau, constipation ect.
Love, Monkey
Includes umbilical (around the navel), epigastic (above the navel), and hyogastric (below the navel) abdominal hernias
Do i just wait till i see the dr.? I am kinda excited as i truly believe this might be the cause to my nauseau, constipation ect.
Love, Monkey