been to perio dept had gum surgery/ ongoing treament which is now stable and has been for some 6 months or more. further review end of jan once brace is fitted.
had previous review by dentist and scale and polish and there has been no further bone loss and teeth/gums are well looked after no bleeding after probing.
have pockets and bone loss in front tooth from previous periodontilitas.
perio dept(specialist hospital London) stated that they dont see why i couldnt have a brace and splint if ortho stated i could after examination. Ortho said i could and tooth wont fall out and its due to be fitted end of jan.
dentist said she wouldnt recommend brace due to bone loss and tooth will fall out and im worried and nervous it will fall out now as braces make teeth mobile in itself.
dont know what to do. do i trust the ortho who is specialist in his field or dentist who is not a specialist in ortho/perio treatment?

pls help cause i desperately want straight teeth so i can smile for the first time ever

louise 37, London.

been to perio dept had gum surgery/ ongoing treament which is now stable and has been for some 6 months or more. further review end of jan once brace is fitted.
had previous review by dentist and scale and polish and there has been no further bone loss and teeth/gums are well looked after no bleeding after probing.
have pockets and bone loss in front tooth from previous periodontilitas.
perio dept(specialist hospital London) stated that they dont see why i couldnt have a brace and splint if ortho stated i could after examination. Ortho said i could and tooth wont fall out and its due to be fitted end of jan.
dentist said she wouldnt recommend brace due to bone loss and tooth will fall out and im worried and nervous it will fall out now as braces make teeth mobile in itself.
dont know what to do. do i trust the ortho who is specialist in his field or dentist who is not a specialist in ortho/perio treatment?

pls help cause i desperately want straight teeth so i can smile for the first time ever

louise 37, London.

i have similar problem i have a mobile tooth and driving me insane, also worried incase my teeth fall out as theyre the front bottom teeth.o too have bone loss to one of the teeth thats why a dentist joined it onto another tooth ,but still feels mobile and sore most of time,i too am going to london hospital on tuesday,you have just gave me hope ,as your going through same thing and they said they can splint the tooth to make the tooth stable ,ive heard of this before but previous dentist ive seen not mentioned it or not sure what i mean

well, why dont you see what happens ,once theyve splint your teeth and see how strong they feel ? and once you feel confident then if they say you can wear a brace have it done?

thank you ,have gave me some faith ,in when i go tuesday now as i was fearing the worse and having top be told my teeth havce to come out and wear a denture at bottom ,which i was petrified of having done

i hope it all works out for you and you get your straight teeth you want ,but as long as your teeth feel ok and you can eat with them ,you shouldnt worry they look a bit crooked at least there your own

Hi thanks for your reply. my brace is going on before the splint to straighten the tooth then the splint will be applied.
im worried during the process of having the brace it will fall out
my ortho says it wont as 1 point is not that mobile, i have no pain and can eat although cant bite down on it fully eating hard stuff.
Youl be fine in London , they know what they are doing.

Let me know how u get on and ill mail you again once my brace is on to give u an update

hi louise ,well im sure they know what theyre doing,and i'm sure they wouldnt fit the brace, if it wasnt possible .and just think once its done you have straight teeth.also braces are the fashion these days too

how long will you have to wear the brace before you get your tooth splintered?

let me know how you get on ? i just hope i get the help i needed at london hospital ,only thing is it be my first appointment on tuesday ,and if they are able to help me ,i have to wait until they actrually do something and my nerves are really bad at moment,just hope its not too long

thanks again louise as i can suggest if they dont mention it about splintering the tooth to hold it stable
i let you know how i get on

Hi,
I was treated at Guys for over a year and they done the most incredible job on my gums and practically saved my teeth. the bone loss in my front tooth is alot but they have stabalized it and it may well fall out in the next 5 years but at least i was given 5 years to save for an implant if needed. I clean so much now and keep my teeth spot less with an electric brush gently, then cleaning each pocket with interdental brushes and then cordysol mouth wash. I do this daily and after every meal and my teeth and gums have no further bone loss.
is it guys u are going? or Kings College?
the brace im having is for 9 months and then i get a splint and hopefully all will be well.

hi louise ,i'm going to whitechapel hospital in london,so far its a referral from my new dentist ,so at this ,moment when i go it only to see specialist and no doubt they take x-rays etc and examine me ,not to say they will take me on.
i hope they do as my nerves in shatters and cannot eat much ,and sleep,my only hope is to have the tooth splintered,to stable the teeth ,as my dentist cannot do nothing otherwise the teeth would break,and there right at the front at bottom/

couldnt stand a plate at bottom i've got a partial denture up top,which isnt too comfortable,but i persavere with it and not too bad as top plates are easier to get on with,but bottom one's are hell.and i'm petrified also i am only 44 too young to have all dentures ,i have suffered years now with my teeth mand want an end to my pain and discomfort ,paid thousands of pounds to get sorted,now my savings are low ,and i need help soon as its really making me ill ,

yes i use corsedyl mouthwash too ,and i clean with those brushes too,i would love to use a electric toothbrush ,but scared there too powerful and break my teeth for sure

but i do clean my teeth regualry and always rinse my mouth after food if im out ,otherwise if at home i clean teeth properly

thanks for replying back to me lets hope we both get good results
lorraine

try not to get stressed , stress is well known for contributing to further gum damage. it will all be ok. im sure they will take you on and sort everything out for you.

let me know how you get on
xx

thanks louise ,i feel a bit more reassured since talking to you,and i now feel i have some hope i can get sorted,if they dont mention any treatment they can do for me i will mention ,about the splinting of the tooth ,so at least i can suggest something to them if they feel they cant

thank you again lousie i will keep you posted after ive been tuesday ,let you know what happened
thank you again
lorraine

xx

let me know how it went
xx good luck today

hi louise ,
i'm more confused than ever ,went today to whitechapel, saw the dentist there ,he looked at the x-rays and examined my teeth,but before x-rays were taken,apparantly my dentist i'm with at moment ,
how do i put this ,when i first was recomended to my dentist now,i was in pain from nerve at the bottom tooth and top on left of my mouth,in which ,he took the tooth out (i did think it was tooth next to it) but it was one behind and he done a root canal on the top tooth.

but when ,,i complained of mobile tooth etc and food was getting inbetween,he explained,the tooth,on the otherside which i thought he was refering me about which has been sending me insane,
the tooth was put on another tooth to stablise it and when i asked him if he could take a crown off and replace it with a new one,he said he couldnt as the tooth would break,and the other tooth (which is driving me insane)
was mobile and thjats why its stuck onto the other tooth,but he said i am refering you to whitechapel,and maybe they can s ee what they can do.

well ,this is why i am so confused,when i got to the dentist in whitechapel ,he said it was the tooth next to the tooth i had taken out?
i looked confused ,and told him no,its not,and explained about my mobile tooth etc
i then went to x-rays to have a few done ,but when they were done i had to wait outside ,everyone who came after me was given theirs and gone back upstairs again
finally then i went back upstairs to see the dentist

he said once he looked at the x-rays,that a tooth i had taken out at a previous dentist, to whom i am seeing now,which that dentist then said there was nothing with the tooth,but after i demanded he done a root canal on it as he didnt want to do it,he relented and done it.
it turned out the tooth had to come out because there was a massive infection,he showed me the root it was a bubble of infection.
(so much nothing wrong with it)

well now the dentist up whitechapel says the root,of the tooth which was taken out has not been totally taken out
so now,he is writing me a letter stating what he has found which i got to give my dentist im with now
so this means i have to pay another £190 ,to have same thing done

i,already mistrust dentist, has ive been through a lot and dont seem to get any answers or get sorted im at a loss
i have paid thousands of pounds now and no better off,also my savings are next to nothing now all gone on trying to sort my teeth out after dentists been let loose on them.

so ,all i can hope for now,once this is finally done and the nerve taken out,,of the gum:confused: it will stop the feelign of the mobile tooth ,and pain that comes and goes and i can finally get decent night sleep
but some how somethign tells me this isnt the end *sob*

well will keep you posted louise once ive been back to my dentist

please keep me informed how you get on too

lorraine

If I Were You Id Ask For A Referral From Your Dentist To Go Guys And St Thomas Hospital, Or If U Cant Wait You Could If Possible Call Them To Make An Emergency App At Their Emergency Clinic

I Go Perio Wing

They Will Sort You Out Once And For All And Give U The Correct Treatment
U May Find U Can Take Legal Action Against Your Dentist If He Has Caused More Damage Than Necessary

I Will Keep U Posted On My Brace Fitting Next Week

If I Were You Id Ask For A Referral From Your Dentist To Go Guys And St Thomas Hospital, Or If U Cant Wait You Could If Possible Call Them To Make An Emergency App At Their Emergency Clinic

I Go Perio Wing

They Will Sort You Out Once And For All And Give U The Correct Treatment
U May Find U Can Take Legal Action Against Your Dentist If He Has Caused More Damage Than Necessary

I Will Keep U Posted On My Brace Fitting Next Week

hi louise,well,ive tried suing a dentist years ago when a bridge was fitted wrong and i had to pay lots of money to get it sorted ,went down to 5 stone in weight becuase of the pain etc

finalyl thought i was sorted ,and yet here i am again,but no ,seems my name is black with dentist now because i tried suing one ,mind you i didnt have a good solicitor and couldnt afford to go through with it

so been down that road,it isnt easy suing a dentist ,as the law says you have to prove it was negligent and not a mistake apparantly they can make those grrrrr
but honestly suing isnt what i want i just want my teeth sorted out ,and fed up paying out to undo what dentist have done

even if i do get referred to guys ,i think i get the same treatment as whitechapel

it seems no one is willing to do anythign as theyre frightened of gettign the dentist into trouble
but i am not out for who is at fault i just want to be sorted out once and for all

so i will have to pay yet again for this ,root to be taken out fully yet again
and hope this time it is the cause of my problem and then it be worth it

well thanks louise for replying and your concern

i will look forward to hearing your good news as sadly mine doesnt seem to be getting anywhere to closure

i will keep looking for you to see how you get on louise good luck

lorraine xx

hi louise
i spoke to my dentist today,on phone,told him what happened and asked how come the specialist at whitechapel was looking at wrong teeth?
he ,said he must misinterept the teeth he wanted him to look at

well,when i recieve the report from whitechapel ,i am going to send my dentist a copy ,and he said he ring him up and hopefully i wont need a referal and have to go through same thing again ,and he do the treatment next time

only thing i was a bit mmm about ,when i spoke to my dentist ,he daid he wanted me to fax it over to him,and to wait on loine and receptionist would give me fax no:
when i spoke to her all of a sudden she said he wanted me to send the report?
why the quick change of mind?

well,i have been through a lot over the years and now become very weary and distrust dentists,but i do have faith there is good dentists out there,just i dont seem to find them .

i just hope ,i do get it sorted once and for all,and i am in no pain or discomfort,and i am going to give dentists a break for as long as i can

need to recoop my savings back what ive paid them,so unless i am in any pain or discomfort i will stay away
but obviously keep cleaning them etc

but ,i will get past the hurdle of actually getting sorted once for all first
as until then im still sceptical whether i ever get sorted

lorraine

guys will give you the necessary treament and a correct diagnosis
better to get more than one assessment/second opinion
one hospital was going to take my front tooth out just for the fact they wanted to train staff. Guys said no, leave it do not listen to them it is not as the hospital stated
i am now getting a brace and gald i never let that hosptial scare me in to an extraction that was not needed.
you dont pay at guys u just need to be referred, places that make u pay will always treat u no matter as they are being paid and those places are not always the best judge of those types of specialist conditions therefore u need to go some where that can best assess you and guys is the best i have been to so far. They have done everything they can to assist me and have been great.
that is why the are the best HNS dental school in the UK with some of the best specialist ortho/perio etc
also in regards to suing your dentist - it is free as the claim is made via accident and fault agency who deal with car crashes etc -no win no fee.

if damage has occured within three years they will take your case if it can be proved the dentist has been negligent and caused unessary further damage
you could win damages and re coup your costs for trauma and unessary work done that caused distress or made the problem worse when it need not have been that way with correct diagnosis and treatment.
I have checked this out

think about it

hi louise
well,no way do i want my teeht extracted at bottom.dont want a denture down there .
but what the specialist has said ,not all of a nerve has been taken out of a tooth that was extracted,so its got to come out
so i am hoping ,its the nerve that makes the tooth painful at times and irritates the tooth so i get horrible sensation of movement

so ,hopefully when i go back to the hospital ,when !! and it gets taken out ,i am hoping it was the cause and be the end of it hopefully

well,the hospital does say in letter its not to say they will do the treatment ,but !! i hope they do as i feel i g=have already paid out enough also if i pay for this treatment it means paying out again for a job a dentist should of done properly in first place (not the dentist i am with now) its one before who is at fault.

so the no win no fee ,do it now? i know when i tried suing ,,years ago they ,wouldnt take it on,they said they wouldnt take on national health problems

mind you ,i will go through the claims procedure i think and hope to get my money back that way

thank you for letting me know and i let you know ,how i get on when i go back?

when do you get your braces fitted?

lorraine

brace is fitted tuesday
im nervous but excited at the same time

just hope it does not make my front mobile tooth worse or fall out
but ill just have to wait and see how my teeth take to it i supposei back at guys two days later for a check up after it fitted to see how its all going and check on my gums

ill let u know more after i have it on
xx

personally i would of had the tooth secured ,but louise they have assured you it will be ok ,and like you say they are very good ,so they know what there talkign about,and wouldnt let you go ahead with the brace if it would make a problem with the loose tooth.

i wish you luck ,i wont say try not to be scared as i know how you feel before having treatment done,but just think,once the brace is on ,what good it will do at the end ,you will have the straight teeth you have always wanted ,got to be worth it in long run

well i cant wait til tuesday to hear how you got on

lorraine xx

good luck for tuesday louise thinking of you hope it all goes well:)

brace is on and all is well so far - no pain
they said if my front one does become more mobile and come out not to worry as i can have fitted bridge or failing that my ortho knows a good specialist in my area who can do implants not at the cost of a central london surgery and i can pay monthly
Im at guys tomorrow for a check on bone and gums and a clean

all is fine so far
x what about u?

ah thats brilliant louise ,so pleased for you,well that is really good of them they are really helping you

how long you got to wear the brace louise?

well,i'm still waiting on the report from whitechapel,and then got to get photo copy of it ,then send it to my dentist ,and he said he ring the specialist up ,rather than having to refer me again

as apparantly my dentist said the specialist mistook the teeth he wanted him to look at
cannot see though how? as all teeth are numbered and the teeth thats to be looked at which is on other side at front about 3 or 4 teeth

thats also why i am bit concerned ,if one comes out it be 3 or 4:(

mind you all the moeny ive spent on my teeth i could of had implants done
now im runing out of savings:(

well keep in touch lousie always nice to know how your getting on

lorraine

prob about 12 months than 6 month retainer

just hope my mobile one does not get worse but hey ho cant do much if it does will just have to get a bridge and save for implant

louise
x

prob about 12 months than 6 month retainer

just hope my mobile one does not get worse but hey ho cant do much if it does will just have to get a bridge and save for implant

louise
x

that time go very quickly louise and the result be great !

well thats the good thing ,you be able to have a bridge if it does or an implant ,unfirtunatley i couldnt have a bridge my only option ,if the my teeth came out would be a denture or implants ,and sadly i doubt i could afford that

lorraine

u could get referred to an implant dentist via your dentist and it need not eb a cosmetic one up london that do )% finance

you would have to pay each month through maybe 150 over the period of your treatment

u could get referred to an implant dentist via your dentist and it need not eb a cosmetic one up london that do )% finance

you would have to pay each month through maybe 150 over the period of your treatment


would that be £150 a month louise i couldnt afford that a month:(

hi louise. your not going to believe my luck :(

still waiting on the report from hospital ,waited three weeks this week,dentist not received it either,rang up dentist today and was going to ask him to refer me again for the right teeth this time,but he is on holiday for 2 weeks :(

so even if i get the report ,its going to be at least 2 weeks before he comes back,and then i got to be refered again and its going to be at least 2 months before i go back again,and i am in so much discomfort and pain
my nerves are in shatters :(

why is it nothing ever goes right for me :(

hope your ok with your braces and your getting on ok with them

lorraine

yes brace is ok at the minute apart from one attachment has come off my bridge which they said it may due to it not being a real tooth so im back tomorrow to try another method of cementing it back on or maybe a new bridge as this one is old. other than that all ok as is my mobile tooth which hurt alot - more than the rest when it was moved the first time by 1 mil but it has settled now and ready for the next tighten feb 29th. brusing is a pain as is eating but its ok and im getting used to it.
I went to guys last thu and they said i am not to go to my dentist any more to have checks and cleaning and they are not doing it good enough and they said i shoudl not have been to,d not to get a brace or that my front teeth were going to fall out as they are not specialists and have no right to say that and they are now taking over my hygene cleaning/ x rays, pocket counts and deep cleaning and monitoring my mobile tooth and bone etc and told me not to worry as if it falls out eventually my front one they in conj with my ortho will sort out best way of fixing it in order for me not to have denture. They also said that due to having v shaped gaps between my gums and teeth once they are straight due to the gum recession and bone loss that they would try and sort out my gums to make them look better and less gappy.
Im pleased about that. I will be going to ortho every month now and perio every two to ensure i am looked after for the next year and half propery.
They said if i had cont at my dentist there would be no doubt their lack of effective treament would have worsened my condition not prevented it.
I am will seek a new dentist once my treatment is nearly complete in two years.

yes brace is ok at the minute apart from one attachment has come off my bridge which they said it may due to it not being a real tooth so im back tomorrow to try another method of cementing it back on or maybe a new bridge as this one is old. other than that all ok as is my mobile tooth which hurt alot - more than the rest when it was moved the first time by 1 mil but it has settled now and ready for the next tighten feb 29th. brusing is a pain as is eating but its ok and im getting used to it.
I went to guys last thu and they said i am not to go to my dentist any more to have checks and cleaning and they are not doing it good enough and they said i shoudl not have been to,d not to get a brace or that my front teeth were going to fall out as they are not specialists and have no right to say that and they are now taking over my hygene cleaning/ x rays, pocket counts and deep cleaning and monitoring my mobile tooth and bone etc and told me not to worry as if it falls out eventually my front one they in conj with my ortho will sort out best way of fixing it in order for me not to have denture. They also said that due to having v shaped gaps between my gums and teeth once they are straight due to the gum recession and bone loss that they would try and sort out my gums to make them look better and less gappy.
Im pleased about that. I will be going to ortho every month now and perio every two to ensure i am looked after for the next year and half propery.
They said if i had cont at my dentist there would be no doubt their lack of effective treament would have worsened my condition not prevented it.
I am will seek a new dentist once my treatment is nearly complete in two years.

hi louise ,you;ve been really lucky, and seeing great specialists at guys,who are helping you out,and doing a good job,i'm really pleased for you .and yes it may be a good idea to get a new dentist after your finished with the hospital.


i might ,when i can get to speak to my dentist mto refer me to guys instead of whitechapel hopefully they can sort me out there

keep me informed of your progress

lorraine

will do and yes u should go to guys, they are great

I had not even heard of whitechapel
I heard of guys or kings college only

will do and yes u should go to guys, they are great

I had not even heard of whitechapel
I heard of guys or kings college only

whitechapel is the dental hospital the hopsital is apparantly very good for emergancy accidents etc but i have never found the dental part very good,they dont seem very caring at all
been there a few times never was keen to go there in first place

guys st mary;s is near westminster bridge isnt it louise? it be lot further for me to go but it be worth it if they can sort me out

london bridge, change at bank on central line at its one stop from there on northern line

you cant miss it when u come out of st, its normally between floor 17 and 23 of guys - not sure which one is the emergency floor - think floor 20.

Kings college has a super emergency dental clinic but even they told the wrong info so im gald i went back to guys for a second opinion.

Guys has an emergency dental clinic - call [removed] and tell them u in pain, have problems etc and need dental care asap,dentist wont help. try go when u can,it will be worth it. they will see you, give u good examination and x rays and tell u right there and then what is wrong and how it should be treated and ask them if you can be referred to the correct dept in their dental hospital.

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london bridge, change at bank on central line at its one stop from there on northern line

you cant miss it when u come out of st, its normally between floor 17 and 23 of guys - not sure which one is the emergency floor - think floor 20.

Kings college has a super emergency dental clinic but even they told the wrong info so im gald i went back to guys for a second opinion.

Guys has an emergency dental clinic - call : 02079555000 and tell them u in pain, have problems etc and need dental care asap,dentist wont help. try go when u can,it will be worht it. they will see you, give u good examination and x rays and tell u right there and then what is wrong and how it should be treated and ask them if you can be referred to the correct dept in their dental hospital.

thanks louise xx ive wrote details down ,and if i dont get any joy from whitechapel i will go to them

thanks again for all your support ,its very much appriciated

please keep in touch
lorraine

hi louise
my teeth feel like they're getting worse ,really uncomfortable ,but dotn know what to do?

feel like anythign i;ve tried to do in past i dont get anywhere,so thats why i am trying to wait til i get this report from hospital,which i still ahvnt received :(

dentist is away for 2 weeks mso got to put up with it ,until then .well in saying that obviously it take longer,as once he is back and refers me back again or i might suggest he refer me to guys i see how he seems? as i dont want to push my luck with him
but even with the referal again ,it will take a month at least ,until i can see someone again,and then yet wait for several months for any treatment

i just keep saying ive put up with it this long hang in there,but its hard

dont wait

go to guys hospital or kings college and get it sorted out

its best not to wait

i am off work thursday i will give them a ring see if they would see me.but i really think i would need a referal before they would see me ,but its worth a try

thanks louise

i am off work thursday i will give them a ring see if they would see me.but i really think i would need a referal before they would see me ,but its worth a try

thanks louise

you dont need a referral if you attend the emergency clinic at guys

just call them up tell them you are in pain and need an emergency app
they will tell you when to come in within a day or so

they will do all the necessary checks x rays etc in the emergency clinic that day and then give you a correct diagnosis at that point tell them your dentist is useless and is not taking notice of you and ask to be referred to the relevant guys dental dept for the condition they specify is wrong with you.
it will be guys that refers you not your dentist

tried that number louise they must of changed it rang whitechapel up asked where was the report ? they said it be in post and i should get it in few days

in other words they forgot about doing it grrrrr ,why does this always happen to me:(

i will look in directory for st mary's number but when i tried online it kept on coming up whitechapel ?

probably knows its me trying lol ive got to laugh otherwise i cry

tried the directory enquiries ,got st mary's hospital number ,got a miserable cow on the phone ,she said its not a dental hospital and it hasnt got a dental department

well im at a lost .well looks like i will have to wait for this report and wait for my dentist to come back from his holiday
teeth are driving me up the wall ,but not a lot i can do about it

how things with you louise?

Its not St Mary's

Its guys and St Thomas hospital London Bridge

They cert do have an emergency clinic floor 23 i think


My unit is perio floor 21

Not going so well for me, hardly no bone left in my front tooth
its on its was out
it cannot be moved and the rest are and when in right postion my front tooth will be removed and a fixed bridge fitted or implant ( which ill have to go private for)

If it comes out before that they will put in a false cover to llok like i have a tooth until my brace work is done- then a bridge

but traumatised right now

but i knew it was coming eventually as my condition is heredtry

got infection in gum right now on same front tooth
so im bit unhappy
going back to guys on 27th march as they need to out a plan in place as although they have tried and tried to save it, its not working
bless em, they dont want to remove it but they need to weight up the risks of it gettign constantly infected or removing it and replacing with a fixed bridge

boo hoo
very stressful

Its not St Mary's

Its guys and St Thomas hospital London Bridge

They cert do have an emergency clinic floor 23 i think


My unit is perio floor 21

Not going so well for me, hardly no bone left in my front tooth
its on its was out
it cannot be moved and the rest are and when in right postion my front tooth will be removed and a fixed bridge fitted or implant ( which ill have to go private for)

If it comes out before that they will put in a false cover to llok like i have a tooth until my brace work is done- then a bridge

but traumatised right now

but i knew it was coming eventually as my condition is heredtry

got infection in gum right now on same front tooth
so im bit unhappy
going back to guys on 27th march as they need to out a plan in place as although they have tried and tried to save it, its not working
bless em, they dont want to remove it but they need to weight up the risks of it gettign constantly infected or removing it and replacing with a fixed bridge

boo hoo
very stressful

aw *hug* sorry to hear that louise ,while the infection is there too ,they cant do nothing until its gone ,have they gave you anti biotics? if not ask your doctors if they give you some anti biotics ,save you going back to hospital,and hopefully when you go to the hospital infection be gone?

bit late now ,but maybe it might of been best if they splinted the tooth first like they said ,before putting the brace on? but even then ,if the bone was weak ,there wasnt realyl anythign they could do apart from ,maybe doign the bridge first or the implant? then maybe putting the brace on

its worse when its a front tooth .so they said they put a tooth to cover it now so you wont have a gap?
well lets hope they can do something as i know too well what your going through why is it always front teeth you get problems with and not back one's ,then you wouldnt be too worried if they are not showing

well hopefully they do something for now so you be ok louise ,i do hope so

sorry i misunderstood you i thought you said st mary;s ,its because i am all stressed out and i dont know where i got st mary;s from :confused:

i got my letter finally today i rang them up thursday ,they had obviously forgot to send it epspecially the soundin their voice anyway
,so i will get a few photo copies of them and send one to my dentist this thursday and he should get it by weekend ,as he is on holiday at moment ,so no good sending him it too early incase his receptionist loses it grrrr
it always happens to me ,so i dont want anything to go wrong
and i will ring up my dentist and ask him if he can refer me straight away like the hospital said to a oral surgery unit ,so i can get seen too as soon as possible

finding it hard to sleep and m my nerves are in shreds frightened to eat


well keep me posted louise how you getting on .hoepfully it wont be as bad as you first thought?

speak soon
lorraine

louise ,why i didnt think of you when you said about having an implant,just thought of it early this morning,(i always think more about things early hours :D )

here is a link to eastmans dental hospital in kings cross

http://www.uclh.nhs.uk/Our+hospitals/Eastman+Dental+Hospital.htm

the address is there too

there is a link to research where they ask for volunteers to have implants done for free,but they will only do one implant per person,dont know how long you be on list for? or how the procedure works
they might not ask you to come for months or it could be weeks ,but you could apply for an implant for the one tooth you need?

if they send for you too early you could always ask them to put you back for a few months ,when your brace comes off?


worth a try anyway? give it a go anyway ,nothing to lose also save you money on paying for an implant? sadly i cant apply as ,i need several :(

lorraine

my dentist receptionist rang me up today,to make a 30 minute appointment,couldnt fit me in til ,26th feb.another 2 weeks,apparantly my dentist got a report too,wished i knew that hospital said he was sending me the report ,so ive sent my dentist one for nothing ,never mind


cant see what he is going to do in 30minutes,cant see him doing what the hospital said ,in 30 minutes also my dentist said he couldnt touch any of my bottom teeth as they would break:confused:
so its going to cost me to go all the way to my dentist ,not sure how much he charge me to see him etc and then its going to take longer to sort me out by this time

already waited 2 weeks ,as he was on holiday, i was hoping to ring him and get him, to refer me to a oral surgeon. like the hospital recommended and hopefully wouldnt be too long before i got a appointment to get it done ,as obviously the surgeon would have to see you first to see exactly what he has to do,then make an appointment to actually do the surgery.
now its all taking so long and i am in pain ,but i try to keep saying to myself well ive put up with it all this time a few weeks wont hurt.

obviously if my dentist can do it ,all the better ,but he has already said he cant touch any of my teeth mnow im scared if he does he will break my teeth and i wont have any teeth at bottom:(
at least at the hospital ,they would cut my gums and go through that way leaving my teeth alone
well i suppose nothign i can do but wait til i see the dentist see whats going on but wait wait wait how long:(

btw louise did you read my post underneath this one aobut free implants?

lorraine

THANKS

yes they are considering my case

i may need to go on a waiting list as i have a brace and cant do it with that on

they also take the tooth out first before thay assess you so im a bit worried about that as the tooth could be taken out and then they could say that i cant one then due to bone loss

so i have explained my sit and have asked if they could put me on the list until my brace comes off and the tooth falls out of its own accord or has to be removed by guys



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THANKS

yes they are considering my case

i may need to go on a waiting list as i have a brace and cant do it with that on

they also take the tooth out first before thay assess you so im a bit worried about that as the tooth could be taken out and then they could say that i cant one then due to bone loss

so i have explained my sit and have asked if they could put me on the list until my brace comes off and the tooth falls out of its own accord or has to be removed by guys



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so they have to take the tooth out first before they know whether their is any bone loss ,oh dear ,i wouldnt like the idea of that either louise ,esepcially if they couldnt put it back?
i thought they could do tests to see that with x-rays etc to tell wether there is any bone loss. oh well

well louise no good worrying about that yet ,until you have to ,no good getting stressed until near or at the time it may happen ,lets hope not louise

hi louise ,
rang my dentist ,up yesterday asked why i had to see him for half hour next tuesday
apparantly he is going to take an x-ray,of the teeth where the hospital,says i got to have sorted out.
then he is going to see if its possible for him to do it?
well,i am concerned about this as before he said he couldnt touch my teeth at bottom,otherwise they break.

well,i am really scared ,because i would freak out if he broke the teeth and i went out of the dentist with no teeth at bottom.
i am going to before he does anything ask him to re assure me that they wouldnt break if he went ahead with it himself?
i will tell him i would freak out if it happened ,i would rather the hospital done it as they would cut through my gums and do it that way also i be out for it too

but typical ,if i had it done at hospital it would be done free ,as ive paid a lot out already on my teeth ,for once it be nice to get soem treatment for free.
my mate said well ,they see how much you are concerned on your teeth and you'll pay anything to get them sorted he wants more of your money ,thats why he rather do the treatment rather than the hospital

this has been my problem all a long ,yes i am concerned about my teeth etc and will pay anything to sort them,but my money funds is really really low
and i just want to be sorted out and feel normal
i just hope it all goes well and if he does do it and its ok i dont care about the money ,im just scared he do it and it be a disaster.

but it doesnt give you much confidence when he says at one point he cant touch the teeth as they break ,then all of a sudden he is attempting to do it?

not sure what else i can do> dont want to upset him and undermine his proffession?

hi louise ,
rang my dentist ,up yesterday asked why i had to see him for half hour next tuesday
apparantly he is going to take an x-ray,of the teeth where the hospital,says i got to have sorted out.
then he is going to see if its possible for him to do it?
well,i am concerned about this as before he said he couldnt touch my teeth at bottom,otherwise they break.

well,i am really scared ,because i would freak out if he broke the teeth and i went out of the dentist with no teeth at bottom.
i am going to before he does anything ask him to re assure me that they wouldnt break if he went ahead with it himself?
i will tell him i would freak out if it happened ,i would rather the hospital done it as they would cut through my gums and do it that way also i be out for it too

but typical ,if i had it done at hospital it would be done free ,as ive paid a lot out already on my teeth ,for once it be nice to get soem treatment for free.
my mate said well ,they see how much you are concerned on your teeth and you'll pay anything to get them sorted he wants more of your money ,thats why he rather do the treatment rather than the hospital

this has been my problem all a long ,yes i am concerned about my teeth etc and will pay anything to sort them,but my money funds is really really low
and i just want to be sorted out and feel normal
i just hope it all goes well and if he does do it and its ok i dont care about the money ,im just scared he do it and it be a disaster.

but it doesnt give you much confidence when he says at one point he cant touch the teeth as they break ,then all of a sudden he is attempting to do it?

not sure what else i can do> dont want to upset him and undermine his proffession?

dentists are not specialists they are dentists who clean teeth and put fillings in and do extractions fit bridges or dentures and refer to people to hospitals or orthodontists or hygenists.

If You u are unsure of what he says he is going to do or it differs from the last time ask him to refer you to Guys hospital for a second opinion as you are entitled to that, it is your right and he cannot refuse you.
if you go that route you will have to wait a few weeks for an appointment at guys

it is not undermining him it is seeking out the best option for you
i still suggest you call guys hospital today, the emergency dental dept and get details of their opening times

it is a walk in clinic no app or referral required, you can just turn up
they will look at you give u immediate x rays and assess you correctly and they will refer you to the relevant dept at Guys to deal and advise you accordingly as to what is the best treatment for you is.

all you have to do then is explain to your dentist this is the case and guys are now dealing. I refuse to go back to my dentist now as she knows nothing of my condition, she just thinks she does and has not dealt with me as she should have.
Dentists made my condition worse by not referring me when they should have and guys are not best pleased with them constantly telling me my front tooth will fall out

as guys said dentists are not specialists and they are

even the dentist has admitted that they are not specialists in gums or bone problems

i suggest to get peace of mind you go to guys
i know u may have to pay train fare but in the long run your treament from then on will be free and u will have no other dental bills until you go back to your dentist for normal reg check ups after guys have finished your treatment

thats what i am doing
my dentist did not refer me to guys
do not feel guilty about your dentist, he gets paid.
do what is best for you and your peace of mind

if he dont like it you can always find another dentist and pay £15 just for a referral letter to guys

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hi louise ,well yes i certainly not going to let him loose on me ,unless he can guarantee he can do the job properly ,if he cant assure me of that i will tell him to refer me to guys ,who be able to take the nerve out of the tooth ,via the gum that way also to secure mobile tooth next to it.

i will let you know how i get on louise when i go next tuesday

how are you now louise? are you getting on ok with your brace? and hows that loose tooth?

loose tooth is loose still

still got infection after a week of 2 diff lots of antibiotics

it has gone down a bit but not completely, so im back for more tomorrow in the morning
brace is ok, getting tightened again 7th March and then im back at guys 27 Marchfor an 1hr 30 min app where they re count my pockets, take more x rays, assess my mobile tooth and then have deep clean etc again
hope it goes ok

i have no doubt that within this year my front mobile tooth will come out
just hope it can hang in there until the brace work is finished so they can out the fixed bridge in and then put on the retainer for 6 months


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hope you are well

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hi louise ,try gargling cordysil mouthwash ,put a bit of water in it and only use ut every other day for a week ,dont use it too much as it does stain your teeth after a while,and other days gargle in salt water that should help the infection.

if after the two lots of anti biotics doesnt work you shouldnt take another course as it wont help anyway

i hope your tooth stays until you get your brace off and they can sort your loose tooth out too
well i hope things go well for you when you next go

im not too bad my teeth are feeling uncomfortable again grrrr ,seems i get a few days where theyre not too bad then they start again
i go to dentist next tuesday ,see what he has to say i am going to say to him
"im bit concerned ,that you said before you couldnt touch my bottom teeth as they would break,i would really freak out if they broke and i had to leave here with no teeth" you sure they wont break? and see what he says

if he says ,well it is possible i will say to him to refer me to guys hospital and let them do it as they probably do it through the gums

i have to take sleeping aids to sleep at moment as i cant sleep dont like taking tablets but hopefully wont be for too long now

keep me posted how you are louise take care

lorraine
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hi louise went to dentist this morning,he took an x-ray,but found something else ,wher emy old dentist extracted a tooth ,something was left behind ,
so dentist cut my gums and took out he isnt sure what ? he said it hadnt healed properly either .i got stitches in at moment and will be really sore and swollen for a day or two

dentist said see what happens ,once it heals and if i get same movement he will do the root canal on tooth next to it
i did ask my dentist about what he said previous about if he drilled into my bottom teeth they would break.

he said ,looking at them again ,it is possible to do the tooth as looking at them again its not as bad as he first thought
but he did say ,when you drill into a tooth a few times the teeth do tend to weaken and it is possible for any tooth to break if done too many times
so im hoping i be ok in a few weeks time and wont need to have the root canal done


hope things are still ok with you louise?

lorraine
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