Aver00
01-24-2008, 10:52 PM
I guess everyone knows by now I cluck about everthing (big chicken)-My doctor post dates my scripts every month - I like my scripts written for every two weeks (do not like large # of pills around) so at my request, he writes one set for that day and another two weeks later - well I keep reading here about post dating not being appropriate and I do not want to be doing anything that the DEA does not like - I do not know why they scare me so much but they do - I only accept scripts from my doc, no dentist or anyone else and I use the same pharmacy - I have been so sick and in so much pain for so many years I just do not understand that feeling of doing something criminal every time I take a pill - thanks for any info Aver
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HappyFlower
01-24-2008, 11:42 PM
Hey Girl... I could be way off here..but if the doctor does it and you follow the rules-no early fills, etc. I don't see why there would be any problem?? But, I could be wrong....I would trust your doc if you feel he is a trustworthy chap!! The rules also might vary by state???
I had that instance where the pharmacy gave me back my paper Rx by accident. I called the doc and they told me to use it in place of the one I should pick up later in the month...that there would be no problem at all. And they were right....the pharmacy filled it without a skip. (Of course, it was for a Schedule III---Lortab, so that might have been why??)
I am sure my post was not much help...lol! Hope somebody can give you a concrete answer!!
I had that instance where the pharmacy gave me back my paper Rx by accident. I called the doc and they told me to use it in place of the one I should pick up later in the month...that there would be no problem at all. And they were right....the pharmacy filled it without a skip. (Of course, it was for a Schedule III---Lortab, so that might have been why??)
I am sure my post was not much help...lol! Hope somebody can give you a concrete answer!!
feelbad
01-25-2008, 12:15 PM
i do think that post dating rule really applies more to actual pain management facilitys than a plain old primary office type situation.i am wondering tho why you are spending all that extra money getting your Rxes done every two weeks?while i do understand not wanting to have all those meds there,why not spend the money you would be spending getting those rxes filled every two weeks and invest in a good safe so you can safely tuck away the extra till needed.this has got to be kind of spendy to just do this way.just having that extra Rx lying around can be an issue too ya know?i finally went out and just bought a good solid safe then had it bolted to the bottom of a closet.it really gives me alot more peace of mind doing things this way.just a thought for you.it doesn't have to be huge either,just allow enough room for the things you want to keep out of others hands.considering the money you would save in the long run,it would just be a good solid investment.marcia
Aver00
01-25-2008, 12:49 PM
Hey FB - Thanks for your concern but my scripts cost me nothing, which when you look at the total for my family is great - My husbands company pays the co pays for everything as an extra benefit and then puts the total on our non taxable income - unheard of??? you bet, which is why retirement in the next few years will not happen - the crime rate in Tampa is getting horrific no matter what neighborhood you live in so the safe would be a really good idea - for a while I was sometimes taking extra medicine on days I was hurting alot so the safe would do nothing for that (did not tell my doc) - However I have become much more disciplined so I think I may try the safe since I do have alot of traffic in my house - Other than all that, you do not think there is any legal issue with postdating? Thanks Aver
Aver00
01-25-2008, 12:49 PM
sorry I could not figure out how to erase duplicate
Director
01-25-2008, 05:13 PM
This subject has been discussed before on this Board, but I always find it extremely interesting, for some reason. It has to be a state by state thing where docs can post date or not. It would be interesting to know which states permit it and the ones that do not.
In Washington, I've gone to my doctor and for whatever the reason he was giving me several scripts for Oxycontin. I think he was going to be gone on vacation, so he made out three scripts to cover the current month and then while he was gone. This was a while back, but I remember him telling me, that he had to date all the scripts that day and could not post date them. I thought he had said it wasn't permitted by the DEA. but that can't be right, as there have been too many people that have written saying they get post dated scripts.
If anyone can answer the question about this being a state thing or a federal, I would really be interested in knowing one way or the other.
In Washington, I've gone to my doctor and for whatever the reason he was giving me several scripts for Oxycontin. I think he was going to be gone on vacation, so he made out three scripts to cover the current month and then while he was gone. This was a while back, but I remember him telling me, that he had to date all the scripts that day and could not post date them. I thought he had said it wasn't permitted by the DEA. but that can't be right, as there have been too many people that have written saying they get post dated scripts.
If anyone can answer the question about this being a state thing or a federal, I would really be interested in knowing one way or the other.
trowftd3
01-25-2008, 11:06 PM
Marcia, what did you mean by it being a pm thing and not a general practitioner thing?? I just didn't understand.
I live in WA and I get three months at a time. The are dated for the date I pick them up but they say..'to be filled on____'.~Mush
I live in WA and I get three months at a time. The are dated for the date I pick them up but they say..'to be filled on____'.~Mush
camw
01-26-2008, 03:02 AM
Hi, I seem to recall a while back (my PM is in Maryland) that my PM told me that he was no longer able to post date scripts. This was 8 - 10 months ago. a few months after he told me that he said that the DEA lifted the restriction and that he was able to go back and post date scripts, or write "only fill on or after blank".
So, I am not sure what happened for him to have to stop and then be able to go back to it. But I would just trust your doc. As long as you are doing everything correctly with regard to taking your meds you should have nothing to fear.
Hope this helps.
Cam
So, I am not sure what happened for him to have to stop and then be able to go back to it. But I would just trust your doc. As long as you are doing everything correctly with regard to taking your meds you should have nothing to fear.
Hope this helps.
Cam
Shoreline
01-26-2008, 03:49 AM
Things have changed so much over the l;ast decade, I'm sure things do vary by region, who happens t be in charge in that region, what other problems the DEA has to deal with and a big factor is how large a practice is as far as volume of scripts. I go to a clinic with 5 docs and as many Np's and PA's. The volume islarge enough that my doc has worked with the DEA as they adapt to new trends and problem areas. When I first starting seing him in7 years ago, He would write 3 one month suplies with a fill on or after date at the bottom. C-11s are good for 90 days so He dated them all the day he wrote them and avoided any post dating regulation, but the DEA was cracking down on this practice sayingit was a way to refill a C-11 with seeing or even speaking to a doc. The stopped the practice, we had to be seen every month and the way it was set up, you saw a doc every 3rd month for a follow up and saw Np's or PA inbetween for what was referred to as a DEA schedule 11 apt. about 2 years ago, the DEA decided they wouldn't svrutinize 90 day suppliesif a patient had been stable for 6 month on the dose and had passed a UA. So we have beein doing the 90 day thing for the last few years.
Unfortunately, The DEA doesn't need a federal law to make a doc miserable, a simple investigation and supeana of records prevents a doc from treating a patient if he doesn't have their records. With the DEA ability to make any docs practice miserable, My dogroup of docs has always taken the stance, anything that seems reasonable and easier enough to comply with. It's unlikely a Gp in private practie that has a couple CP patients is going to haeve the kind of comunication with the DEA ahat a PM practice or clinic wuill. Laws from state to sate vary so greatly that a post dated script isn't an option where a a C-11 script is only good from 10 days from when it's written. It seemed fill on or after dates demanded absolute compliance, but the DEA was more concerned with the apearence of refills available on C-11's when written that way, or at least the local DEA had a problem with it. Although during that time many other posters from various states were running into the same objection,and need for increased frequency of office vistsif a doc had been post dating or had fill on or after dates written on it.
It's actually an old topic I haven't seen in a while. I doubt your doc is going to do anything illegal if post dating happens to be illegal but the issue was more about the way around puttinng refills on a C-11 than the act of post dating. I don''t think I would fill one on a day you obviusly hadn't been to the doc, Holidays sundays etc. That's just what I would do to protect my docfrom undue scrutiny. I'm going to do all I can to pervent even the apeareance of wrong doing because i remeber the old days when opiates simply weren't used and there was no such thing as a 10 mg perc or oxycontin.
Good luck, Dave
Unfortunately, The DEA doesn't need a federal law to make a doc miserable, a simple investigation and supeana of records prevents a doc from treating a patient if he doesn't have their records. With the DEA ability to make any docs practice miserable, My dogroup of docs has always taken the stance, anything that seems reasonable and easier enough to comply with. It's unlikely a Gp in private practie that has a couple CP patients is going to haeve the kind of comunication with the DEA ahat a PM practice or clinic wuill. Laws from state to sate vary so greatly that a post dated script isn't an option where a a C-11 script is only good from 10 days from when it's written. It seemed fill on or after dates demanded absolute compliance, but the DEA was more concerned with the apearence of refills available on C-11's when written that way, or at least the local DEA had a problem with it. Although during that time many other posters from various states were running into the same objection,and need for increased frequency of office vistsif a doc had been post dating or had fill on or after dates written on it.
It's actually an old topic I haven't seen in a while. I doubt your doc is going to do anything illegal if post dating happens to be illegal but the issue was more about the way around puttinng refills on a C-11 than the act of post dating. I don''t think I would fill one on a day you obviusly hadn't been to the doc, Holidays sundays etc. That's just what I would do to protect my docfrom undue scrutiny. I'm going to do all I can to pervent even the apeareance of wrong doing because i remeber the old days when opiates simply weren't used and there was no such thing as a 10 mg perc or oxycontin.
Good luck, Dave