well cant beleive i got myself in this position I have read alot of post here and now alot of you have come clean off of oxys or any narcotic for that matter doc says go to a slow taper . I went from taking about 7-10 percs a day at 10mg a piece to only 3-4 a day, in a week. and im going crazy seems like my body doesnt feel good either way even after i take about 15 mgs. I still have pain to thats the kicker , but how bad is it I dont know I heard your body can actually fool you into thinking your in pain, is this true? well anyways am I tapering to fast ? I have enough pills to go long term but need to work also any advice would be gerat and I will consult my addiction doc monday at 9 am.. please HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALSO can a person get opiate seizures from withdrawl?

Hey Bass

Well, that was a pretty drastic cut in your dosage in just a week. While maybe not in full withdrawal, I would imagine it is a pretty rough time. If you are going to do a slow taper, keep each cut at about 10% or so. Cut, level out and then cut again. The cuts will keep getting smaller as you move along to stay around that 10% mark. Make a cut every week to ten days or so. Don't get anxious and rush it. A couple of times, I had to wait it out for almost 3 weeks to level out and then get started again. One of my biggest rules of thumb tapering from opiate was once a cut was made, it stayed made. No going back. Some cuts were easier than others.... I don't know why, but that is how it was.

The pain... yes, there is exaggerated pain as we come off opiates. The initial site of your pain will hurt more and pain will show up in other areas as well. The calves can ache like the dickens, the back can hurt and headaches are common. I had a persistent headache throughout the tapering. It is an aggravation, but just part of the whole process of coming off.

The brain sends out 'search parties' looking for any remnants of opiate thoughout the body trying to get the supply it is used to being given. As we are tapering off the opiates, the brain is tapering back on to producing the needed chemicals on its own again. That is why the slower the better. The body and brain have wonderous abilities to heal themselves, but it takes time. Stick with the board as you progress.

Seizures.... they are not a concern with opiates as they are with benzos. Oh, sometimes it feels like we are croaking on an opiate taper, but we don't. Smiles.

Bass, take a deep breath. Try and address withdrawal as a practical measure. If you get fearful or anxiety-ridden along the way, come post it out. It is a trying time for sure, but doable. You are going to be okay, Friend.

reach

thanks REACH for the words of encouragement, its midnight here after ther super bowl , and cant get to sleep , i guess withdrawls . today i took 4 and1/2 10-325 today all about 6 hours apart and it was pretty bad I think I will stay on this dose till I level out if I even level out at all, dont know what to expect. thanks again

Hey Bass

How ya doing, Buddy?

reach

hanging in there
thanks for asking today I took my first pills at noon after getting up at 7 am. The pills make me feel a liitle light headed and dizzy never did that before....? giong to try and only take my next dose (1 and a 1/2 tabs 15mgs) at 9 or 10 pm and a ambien around 11pm tonight hopefully be asleep by midnight
wish me luck!
I know IM changing my dose again , but I felt good without any pills untill withdrawl kicked in ...I took my last pill at 10 pm last night and made it till noon the next day is that good?

Hey Bass~~

I would say you are doing really well! If you have already been able to space the dosages this far apart then hurray! If you can stick to this, then you are doing great. It sure took me a lot longer to get to only two dosages a day.

I think the lightheadedness is actually the pills working on you. You are taking so much less that they are having a more [profound impact when you do ingest them. Years ago, when I was on was first put on Percocet after a major, major surgery, two tabs would knock me out for at least two hours. Out, like a light. That effect became less and less and by the time I had built enough tolerance years later, 4 Percocet tabs was barely noticable to me. I worked with them and functioned. I was switched to Oxycodone then because of the Tylenol factor. Now, after being clean for a while, I think 1 Percocoet would probably have a big effect on me.

Stay strong, Bass. What kind of symptoms are you having? Diarreha? Shakes? Anxiety? Increased pain? Oh, maybe it will not be too bad for you! There are some who have an easier time than others. I hopr you are one!

with hope
reach

Hey reach I would say all of the above name the symptom I got it, anxiety is the worse and restlessness then the lack of sleep doesnt help ..,cant seem to cocentrate on one thing. well ITS 6pm and only taken one dose and that was at noon i think i can make to 10pm tonight will keep you posted.
just trying to stay busy. I did go about 30hrs5 days ago without a pill and it was horrible and i got scared and tried to check myself into a rehab they said I could do it on my own so here i am of course as soon as i was walking out I took 2 tabs of 10-325s and on my way.
oh my appetite has gone to . well maybe IM not as bad as i think, 11months on oxy is pretty long though..............................

keep up the good work an dont be surprised or upset if you start crying an dont know why,for me thats part of w/d ,something else i havent heard mentioned here is problems reading or focusing your eyes bth myself an my wife have had that.

We are both detoxing ourselves right now.Just so you know you arent alone.

Her metabolism seems to run faster than mine, all her symptoms started and ended sooner than myself. Were about outta percs now so in the next coupla days itll be cold turkey.But we did wean down.. tho not as slowly as we shoulda.

Just a thought do you have someone who can hold and dispense your pills for you. I HAVE A HARD TIME not touching them when there available to me.


KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !

p.s N/A is also a good idea

hey acap,
your exacyly right I find it very hard to focus on reading. my eyes seem to be in blur vision. I bought some visine today didnt help much. well made it to 10pm yeah feel awfull though. Is the blurred vision normal even after taking a dose and how long does it last been like this for about 5-6 days, it slowly crept up on me.. yeah my wife has my pills and I just ask for them and tell her what im planning mainly so I dont go backwards and slip, shell give me the pills if I really beg. thanks guys and gals here for all your responses it really does help. hopely I can return the favor to someone down the road. BASS

Bass, it dosent take long for the blurring to go away ,my eyes also run at times tho my wife,s dried out, it seems to be a bit different for evryone.

Im also glad too hear ur wife is helping thats GREATTT ! Another thing is very dark depression hopefully u wont get it but if you do know that it will go away.A few words from n/a that also applies to this board. ..Let us love you until you can love yourself..its very common to despise an loath urself for a time. But you are doing the right thing now ! let the old you go and concentrate on the NEW you.

Hi Guys

You know, the eye thing... i had forgotten about that until I read it here again. Yes, I noticed the same. I especially noticed it if I tried to drive. Blurry. I actually noticed it more as I neared the end of tapering and for a month or two afterwards. It did clear up totally.

Another weird one.... I noticed in the beginning of my tapers that my body was trying to yawn when tired, but could not complete the yawn. It made me crazy. I realized I had not yawned for years. Depressed respiration, I guess. The less and less I took of the opiate, the more the yawns came. Finally I was able to complete a yawn. I took it as a sign of progress. ah! bless the yawns. Chuckles.

To Bass... the anxiety is a huge hurdle to overcome. The nerves are raw. Please understand that it is all just a part of the process of getting better again. I know it can be horrible, but push hard to distract yourself when it hits. Recognize when it lets up a bit for spells and cling to that as a preview of life without the anxiety around the corner.

To acaptainn... hurrray for you and Wife in detoxing! It is difficult... one of the hardest things I have ever endured.... but once it is over, life is good. Happiness comes back, laughter comes back, enjoying thoroughly that we are alive comes back. Stay strong.

Hugs
reach

hey guys , thanks for the info on the eyes , well I didnt get to leep till 2 am last night and woke up at about 6 or so ,got some sleep anyway ..............after I took my dose last night it made me kind of percky
well I made it to my next dose wich will be in 20 mins, man cant beleive im counting the minutes ,anxiety and jitteryness is upon me, blurryness is mostly gone but probally will come back after taking a dose. will keep everyone informed. thanks for all the support , hope to stay on this taking 2 doses in 24 hours for about a week...
hey acap thanks for sharing and good luck to you and your wife ,
soon this will be all over soon my frinds

Yea the yawns are common , as well as leg/calf pain mostly at night which makes it very hard to get sleep for me, Quinine helps a LOT with that.I dont remember you ( BASS ) saying uve had that. Continue the good work bud,i an my wife are with ya !

well im still on track,
another symptom im having is my taste buds seem to taste food alot different. Foods and resturants ive eaten at are different. MY periphial vision seems to be more keen picking up alot of thing around me even though I have blurred vision, still have extreme anxiety and cant sleep to well restlessness drives me crazy. im still on my doses of 15mgs of oxy every 12 or so hours. a week ago I was taking 40mgs of oxycontin and 8 or so percs at 10mgs apiece in less than a day. So I think im doing pretty good if I can stick to this and stable out , or do you ever stable when weaning?

Stable ? yes if you stay at one level of decrease for sometime im thinkin a month or so, I have to settle for not as bad as it could be due to not havin enuff to do it that way.Plus im workin evryday, taking off isnt an option as i was just out for surgery last month and my wife had surgery in oct. that had her outta work for 6 weeks. Financial realities SUCK.

Hi

Stable? Ummm, I guess it is a relative term in tapering. Restlessness, anxiety and fitful sleep were steady components throughout my tapers. The first days (maybe 3 or so) after a cut would always find these things heightened. Then they would start to abate a bit. After each cut, I would try to measure in baby steps any progress. ie. Had I made a successful trip to a grocery store? Had I mananged a conversation with someone without breaking down crying? had I been able to sit still and watch a half-hour TV show?

For the first 10-12 weeks, I actually jotted these things down in a journal. When I could read back and see in black and white that I was doing a bit better, then I knew that a 'leveling off' period was occuring. That is how I knew ( outside the fact that I was following a time line schedule as much as possible) that the next cut was due. After time, we are able to just recognize it with our minds. For me, it was just som darn hard on me at first that I couldn't trust my mind.

Initially, I never felt 'ready' to make a cut. Not at all. Scared the heck out of me. I only did it to 'follow the rules' I had set up with my doctor. After the weeks and then months started to be behind me, my thinking changed. I made the cuts out of sheer determination. Just got kind of practical about it. The whole thing was just a process and if I ever wanted the process to end ( and boy! did I!), I had to just keep plodding along.

The reactions to the anxiety-filled times started to become more automatic. I would feel that initial pull in my guts and then it would start to spread. That began to trigger the breathing techniques. I would concentrate on that breathing with all my might and slowly the anxiety would abate. Then I would get physically busy with something, anything, to try and distract my mind from feeling the anxiety. Sometimes solitaire on the computer, sometimes folding laundry, sweeping the floor. Whatever came to mind that took no real thinking. I took many baths a day... the activity of running the water and then getting myself into the water was a big help for me. Then I would make myself lay still on the bed. Sometimes I would even dose off for a short while. That always felt good.

Withdrawal by taper does mean that we will be in a state of withdrawal symptoms throughout. The diarreha will pass quickly, the anxiety will not. However, anxiety is also a long term component to cold turkey also. There is just no way around it. In tapering, the intensity of it does abate as we go along. At the end of my taper, it was no where near what it had been at the beginning. At the beginning, it was probably present 20 out of 24 hours at a pretty high level. Towards the end, it hit sporadically for 15-30 minutes at a time maybe 3 hours a day total. Usually around time when a dose was due. It stayed away longer and longer each day. Then it got to the point that my daily dose was so small that I was able to go longer and longer before taking it.

Remember to try and keep the next cuts at around the 10% mark. Try not to get antsy and cut too drastically too soon. Discipline is key to a taper. We have to consistently make the cuts, but also have to try and stick to a reasonable schedule of cuts. When the decision to taper is made, it will be most successful if we "follow those rules." It provides the time for our bodies and brain to kep in sync with the whole process.

Stay strong, be well
reach

Hello to all and God bless this board.
I am also doing a rapid detox off Oxy and having quite a bit of trouble. I think the worst is past now. I have gone from 80 to 120mg per day down to 5mg per day in about 2 weeks time. I am very pig headed and refuse to let myself slip back.
This has been hell and I feel trapped.
A dear friend of mine told me that there is a road into hell and there is also a road out.
I get choked up every time I think of it.

I wanted to add my take on the double vision or blurred vision. I went to the Doc yesterday thinking I finially had a stroke. He told me I has "Third Nerve Palsy" which is normal and will subside.

Going on 4 days now with double vision but seems to be doing a little better? Real hard to read and bad headaches.

Doc has given me MILD doses of Xanax and Librium to help but the depression and anxiety they are still there. Not to mention all the other problems mentioned in this board.

I've been on the 5mg per day for about 5 days and plan to be done by the weekend if I can.

Anything I should know about when I stop completely?

A special thanks to everyone here.
If you haven't found the road out keep lookng, It is there :-)

BAJA, You are certainly doing it rapidly, having cut so much in a short time IMO thats why its been really bad for you , BUT it will pass hang in there ! im about to be on zero per day because i didnt keep my hands outta the cookie jar when i started the taper. I like the road out analogy !i,ll hafta tell my wife .
I,ll check back later to see how your doing BASS.

WAVIN at REACH ,and want to say im glad your here i get a LOT from your advise and experience.

hey baja that does seem pretty like a pretty drastic cut and I thought I was cutting down fast from the same you were taking to 30mgs in a 24 hour period. let me tell you I am miserable had a pretty rough time this morning but just staying busy was the key , dont just ly around, keep busy and we will get through all of this. My eyesight seems to be coming back to me also , still a little dizzy though

Thanks for the feedback acaptainn.

I wanted to mention some of my history for the record.
I have been in Vicoden for 3+ years. Started with a couple of bad injuries. The Doc always helped out. Well as we know they don't work well the more you take so I have lots of "buddies" Yeah right, that offered to help me out. This only made my problem worse.
Then another "Buddie" suggested the Oxy :-(. If I had only known!!
I have only done the Oxy for maybe 6 months but saw the same trend I saw with the Vicoden.
First 20 then 40 then 80 then I kenw it would never stop. Especially when I found myself dipping into my 3rd 40mg in one day. 120mg I guess I saw the light. I am a recovering Alcholic also so I have a history of addiction.

I was not blessed with that trait as my entire family, including the in-laws are all major alcholics. This made X-Mas and the holidays a little tough. I just lied and told them that booze made me really sick and the Doc said I can't drink it. Worked fine ;-)
7 years for the booze but no luck on the Vicoden.

I was blessed with a stubborn personality and when I want, lots will power.

From reading all these wonderful posts that have helped me tremendously TODAY by the way, I was just wondering when I take that last 5mg will I be in for another ride?
I have plenty to last quite some time. I do find it tough to cut 40's into 5's.
Should I drop to even 2.5mg? and give it more time or just drop off at the 5mg?

Thank you all so much!
Reach,Bass and all the rest.
you have no idea how much you are helping me.

I Found the the road out. She's a little rocky so I'll just take it easy.
Peace to all.
Baja

Hey Bass!
ZERO DAY FOR BAJA!
I decided to DO IT today!.
I had been taking my 5mg at around 7AM each morning and that only lasted a bit.
I feel pretty good this morning compared to some of my past mornings and I KNOW I can do this today!

It is after 9AM and my little piece of magic still sits in it's usual spot untaken. I think I'm more afraid of not having any in my system might make me freak. Then I think again and I have pretty much already done that ;-)

The vision is getting better. I am able to read much easier but driving is still tough.

Sleeping is a real bummer still. I got 4 hrs last night and that more than i've had in a while. I think maybe since I have decided that today is the day it may have helped?

I had actually planned on totally quitting by last weekend but decided to take it a little slower. I don't know if that just prolonged my agony or helped ease the pain.

A good hot shower does wonders!!

Again you all have been wonderful and a huge help. just reading these posts has helped tremendously.

For everyone suffering out there, remember: There is a road into hell and there is also a road out.

Just find the road out and remember u turns are illegal :-)

I will update my progress regularly.

Also WAVIN at REACH ,and want to say im glad your here i get a LOT from your advise and experience. You have me helped in ways you may never know.

Peace be with you all.
Baja

LMBO @ The u turn,,yes JUST knowing ur stoppin does a # on the brain

BASS, whats up w/you ?

Just wanted to say:

WAVIN at acaptainn ,and want to say im glad your here i get a LOT from your advise and experience. You also have me helped in ways you may never know.

Peace be with you all.
Baja

well guys im hanging in there, feel pretty awful this morning. anxiety is pretty high causing my gag reflexes to kick in. I have been sticking to my doses as said. its 930 am thursday and about two hours till next dose. what really scares me im mainly taking the pills now to prevent withdrawls and feel better. I probally will make a 10 mg cut come monday though, regardless of how I feel. will chime back in afew BASS

Bass,
I know you can do it buddy!
I'll send up a prayer for you.

No one ever told ME life was easy.
I'm not a Doc but a couple things that helped me:
I am a cigarette smoker :-(
smoking did seem to help me with my anxiety a bit.
Lots of hard candy, lots of vitamins, Motrin and tons of water. Oh Yeah, and reading these posts!

Just remeber:You Can Do IT!
Check back please.
Peace
Baja

WELL IM still hanging in there ....this is the 4th day at this dose, I had a pretty rough time this morning, the anxiety really sucks the worse. I feel somewhat better after taking a dose ,but alot of the anxiety stayed with me this time. This whole lifestyle sucks counting hours , breaking pills, ect I just want to feel normal again without all this medication

Baja how are you doing? youve done a pretty good job cutting down and quiting. Thanks also for your prayers

Hey Bass,
I'm working on my 33'rd hour clean. Sounds funny in hours but at this point
it is all I have. My dose is still where I left it yesterday at 7AM. I never even looked at it.

Anxiety is a little higher than yesterday. Not too much. Small bout with the loose stool, A few more aches in my arms and legs but believe me. Nothing like when I first started cutting.

Oh Yeah, My eyes are getting much better. Still seeing double and blurry but I notice it is better now than it was this morning. Wow, maybe I'm getting better :-) I mentioned in another post that the doctor said I had Third Nerve Palsy? I am getting an MRI to be sure but I can tell I can see better!

I think I may have been a little aggressive but I wanted out.
I also never dipped into the cookie jar so I had plenty of time if I felt I needed it.

I DON"T NEED MORE TIME!
And I've made up my mind. Thats my final answer :-)

This has been no party for me.

I would never wish this on anyone. I refuse to slip because I will never forget the feelings I have experienced over the past few weeks.

Believe me, It does get easier. Take your time.
Everyone is different yet somehow we are all the same. Weird.

Peace and keep me posted
Baja

Hey Bass, How Ya Doing?

Feeling any better?

Baja

Im glad im able to help, it would be good if i was betr at takig my own advise,lol, i have been thru many detox,s and hoping this is my last, my neck pain has in the end been my downfall, but my recent surgery did help a LOT with that. So i feel i can git er done this time.

You folks help me tremendously and i thank you for that. Lets all stay on the road! I,ll see ya,all latr.

Good to hear your doing fine acaptainn!

I just passed 36 hours clean at 7:00PM !!:wave: Bye Bye!!

Baby steps. Hours to days to months to years!!

Sounds petty but I am pumped!:blob_fire

Keep me posted on how your feeling. Not to be selfish but this is helping me too. I am also hoping I can help anyone suffering from the same problems I am suffering from. It makes me feel good (like someone cares about me) when I hear back from any or all of you.

I hope that anyone that reads my posts might feel the same way as I do and maybe learn something to make their journey on this path easier.

acaptainn, You have been an inspiration to me also.:bouncing:

Please keep me posted.

I started a thread this morning when I decided to go to ZERO. I will keep that up to date too with my feelings experiences.

Peace..
Baja

Still WAVIN and REACH!!! :wave: you too Bass!!

bass chiming in,
well felt pretty good before taking my evening dose. If I sleep pretty good tonight will cut intake down by 1/4 tab, so roughly about 12-13 mgs of oxy and maybe by monday go to only one tab at 10 mgs. I really need to get off this stuff. Its been about 8 weeks since my back surgery and surgeon said I sould be off the narcos.
I was wondering about taking abien for sleep,... with all the hype about mixing sleeping pills with narcos Im kinda scared to take them. I have been taking 10 mgs of ambien a night. does anyone else here take sleeping pills? my GP prescribed them and knows im on oxy also. I think I will only take 5 mgs of abien tonight about 2 hours after taking my last oxy for the day.
How you doing baja, it must be almost 48 hr clean hope your doing ok, and thanks for chating here. Everyone has been a great help

Hey Bass, Glad to hear you had a better day!

Just past my 48 hrs at 7AM !!

I also have sleep trouble. I'm totally exhausted by 9PM but just can't seem to get to sleep. I took 2 excedrin PM a couple of days ago and my wife told me I was talking in my sleep, flailing around, stealing the covers:-) only slept 4 hours.

Last night I took only 1 excedrin PM and slept for 4 hours but I took some advise from REACH. REACH said to try to do something I knew would make my body tired so at 2 AM I got up, got dressed and went for a walk. Yep at 2AM. My driveway to my home is 1/4 mile long so I just walked to the mailbox and back and I had a cigarette.

I tried to lay back down and no luck. So I listened to REACH and did the walk again.

It worked this time. I fell back asleep for another 2 hours or so.

Thanks REACH!!

I really feel pretty good this morning. Pretty pumped about 2 days clean.

I did just get up a little while ago so I'll chime in again with my progress.

Keep your head up. I can already tell the difference and I'm only at 2 days.
The counting sucks, I know that one personally but it will work for you.

How you doing acaptainn? drop in and keep us posted. Hope your feeling good today.
Peace
Baja

WELL FEELING PRETTY GOOD
DESPITE my lack of sleep last night due to not taking any abien, I feel pretty good compared to yesterday around this timeabout 30 minutes from first morning dose. I will make a cut today and stick with it through the weekend, and make a cut on monday if all goes well
Today I have alot of yawning going on ,and anxiety is still high. I would go for a walk but 35 degrees outside having the chills, makes me just want to lay around. I will go out when it gets a little warmer for about a mile walk.
im pretty positive about today that I can make my cut and keep it, will keep everyone up to date here soon thanks for all the support you friends here give without you guys things would be much harder.. THANKS BASS

Hey Bass,
You guys are making it much easier for me too.
Here in Michigan we got about 13" of snow Wed and schools have been closed since.
I know what you mean about laying around. I feel the same.

I didn't have much luck with that because I own a Snow Plow truck. It really did help me yesterday getting out and helping people. I mostly plowed for neighbors and friends because of my blurry vision. I didn't want to get too aggressive. Plus I helped a bunch of old people from having heart attacks. I wouldn't take money from them and you have never seen such puzzled faces :-)

It was helping me just being out.

I have the yawns but their going away. Not sleeping too. Cold all the time but no sweats.

Did a couple of real earley walks today that helped with the sleep.

Keep me posted on your success!

Peace..
Baja.

TGIF ALL, im goin to try the weekend w/o an do the BAJA cold turkey,tho im not strong as you bud.. My wife had a BAD day an came home aftr 2 hours of work.
Her worst day yet she had evry symptom in the book. I feel soooooooooo bad for her and blame myself for her taking Oxy,s. She learned of them from me. :(

Im going to eat now. I,ll check back later or in the mornin.

Hey Friends,

Sorry to hear about the wife Capt. I'll send up some prayers for your both this weekend.
You hold strong this weekend and chime in often.
On zero day for me I think I was more afraid of not having the stuff in my system after having it for so long. It really didn't make me feel any worse. I had already experienced the worst of it and I just got pumped up about being clean. Proud !! Strong again !!

The hot bath or shower always makes me feel much better. I never wanted to get my butt off the couch and take a shower but as soon as I dragged my sorry a** in the bathroom and stood in the hot water for 30 to 40 min I felt much better.

I just flew past three days and I am now on Day four! 7AM was 72hrs clean (or since my last 5mg) so I am calling today working on day four! Makes me feel better. Momentum like REACH said.

Yesterday was better than the the previous just like everyone here has been saying.

My blurry or double vision was minimal in the morning but got worse towards the night.
My wife introduced some stress and anxiety into my mind and I think that is what did it. Maybe I was just tired.
I just did my breathing,
Metamucal (Fiber) seemed to help me a little with the loose stool at first but the following three trips to the can were not as pleasant if you know what I mean.
I drink tons of water and take lots of vitamins & have been eating.

The hot shower helped the aches along with some mortin.

I really don't want another dose at this time. I'm actually frightened of the stuff now!

I thought of myself as being pretty tuff but this stuff kicked my butt. Anyone or anything that can do this to me deserves quite a bit or respect.

I feel real good this morning and I slept 7+ hours!
2 excedrin PM (had a headache) .25mg Xanax (Per Docs. Orders!) and it was lights out all night.!!!

I'll watch the board for you today Capt. Let me know if you want to chat.

How you doing Bass!!

WAVIN at REACH! God Bless you!
Peace.
Baja

hey Baja and acap hou you fellows holding up?
IM still doing my rapid taper, I am now at only 20mgs a 24 hr period that one perc every 10-12 hours. just 10 days ago I was taking aroung 150 mgs a day. Today was not so bad vision is starting to come back, but feel a little absent minded at times and cant concentrate on one thing to long , didnt expect to go to this dose till monday but guess sat. was as good as any.......
got to get back to work monday so hopefully it will help. My family being here when I awoke today was a great help.Plus the weather was somewhat nice and went outside for awhile, monday I probally will make another 5 mg cut a day and be done by next weekend ....maybe.....................
hope yourt doing ok acap I see where you are taking nothing at all and ging for it all. wish you alot of Luck

oh one more thing the cravings have kicked in. I at times feel like hey I can keep taking these little pills and be fine , then I remember the withdrawls I had a week ago awfull stuff. I guess I am saying I feel somewhat normal at this low dose and not as bad mentally when on a higher dose. well anyway whhat do people do to fight the cravings?

Hey Bass!!
Excellent Job Bud!
I just passed day four and working on five.

Man I can't believe how much better I feel. :bouncing:

You hit the nail on the head with this, and I quote you:

"I at times feel like hey I can keep taking these little pills and be fine , then I remember the withdrawals I had a week ago awful stuff."

That is exactly what has got me where I am today.
I was skeeered to death to slip back on even one dose cut no matter how bad I felt.
I also didn't run out of Oxy then go cold turkey. I made a plan and left a margin for slippage (Dippin' into the cookie jar) and stuck to the plan and didn't do the Dippin. :nono:

But I didn't know what was going to happen and wanted to be covered just in case.

I'm not at veteran YET, like REACH, But someday.:angel:

A friend at an AA meeting I was attending many years ago told me something after I hit my one year sober mark. At the time I didn't understand what he was talking about.

He said "Excellent Job! You have fixed your drinking problem Bud, Now YOU got work on fixing YOU.":confused:

Well need I say more? I understand NOW that the problem was ME because almost 8 years later I am going thru another addiction problem. I guess I got sober off the booze and forgot about fixing myself. I got cocky.

The booze was a monster for me but easy to quit compared to this Oxy.

I was doing 80 to 120mg Oxy per day 3 weeks ago. Chewing em up too. Bad Stuff.:nono:
I have had nothing for four days, this is day five and I feel great.:cool:

I spent a lot of time reading the posts here before I joined in.
This board and the people I've meet has been an inspiration.

When you go into a fight you will always hold the cards if you know your enemy's weakness’. Makes it much easier to win the fight.

I'll start a new thread and post how I feel and what I'm thinking so everyone can know when they hit day 5.

Always WAVIN at REACH! you to Acapt. :wave:

Peace
Baja

Good mornin , i had my last yesterday aftrenoon and i feel fine this mornin.
thatll change BUT i dont care im ready to git it done. My wife is on day 2 an feeling a bit btr, but a ways to go yet.IM hoping i wont get it toooo bad as its back to work tomorrow.

Baja please git rid of those PILLS you DONT NEED THEM right? and if they are there weuuuuullll i think you know what i mean. especailly this early in your recovery.The old JUST ONE WILL BE OK syndrome...IT WONT BE OK.truuuust me.

Coffe is ready ,, see ya latr

Hey Capt.
Flushed em when I made it through zero day. I wasn't sure if I would need to taper to 2.5mg per day and level a bit but after zero day, I said Bye Bye. :wave:

Don't need temptation, although with ride this being such a Picnic, a gun to my head couldn't put one of those in me.:nono:
I'm still Skeered!!:eek:

I'll Start a new thread but just to fill you guys in:

I feel excellent today!
Sleep was a little light but manageable. I think sleep was light because I was having pleasant dreams.
Yesterday (day four) I was a little achy, kinda tired but kept busy all day and that helped.
The Metamucil (fiber) really helped this morning or maybe it's me getting better.
I ate like a horse.
Drank tons of water, Vitamins and REACH suggested a vinegar and honey home brew. I did that also.
I actually feel great this morning.
My vision is normal in the morning but fades later in the day. Maybe I'm gettin tired?
Had the chillz yesterday but not yet today. The hot shower works great.
I only had a little anxiety yesterday. Much less than before. Manageable

Caffeine seems to have a greater effect on me now. Two Mountian Dew's and was zinging. I used to drink 2+ liters a day.

I'll keep you all posted.

Peace..

Baja

Bass how bout an update?

Baja, GOOD JOB ! flushin em ,an yea the caffiene does work btr i noticed that even this mornin.

The wife and i have walked 2 miles this mornin and worked in the yard for a coupla hours.

I really feel much btr than i had feared, just maybe it wont be what i was fearing. I,ll know more tomorrow

Sweet Capt.
I wish I could go for a walk today.
The wind chill here is -20 degree F.

not +20 but -20. Freezing. Air temp without the wind is +5 degrees.

I'm feeling tons better today. not much of the aches at all. Yawning is going away too.
No anxiety at all, YET :)

Keeping my eyes on the road out.:cool:

Peace.
Baja

Chime in when you can Bass!!

well today is sunday feb 10th,
I feel pretty good today I only took one pill today and that was at 2pm. I usally take one at 11 am and feeling pretty bad from withdrawls, but not today, I will probally only take a half a pill in the evening 5 mgs and stick to that for a few days, Man I tell you this fast taper is probally going to work without major withdrawl symptoms when I get to ZERO DAY . I stayed busy today and just didnt think about taking anything till 2. A week ago I quit cold turkey and it was the worst thing I had experienced my whole life. Like you said Baja this stuff has my ultimate respect. will let everyone know how Im doing later today thanks guys and gals you are a great help during this recovery

Excellent Bass!!!
Glad to hear you had a great day.:)

Chime in Acapt. when you can. Thinkin about you and the wife.:angel:

My day was the best I've had since this journey out. Just like everyone has been telling me.:cool:

Monday will be the start of day SIX for me. :bouncing:
I really had no problems today at all. I am little tired but I did get only about 4-5 hrs sleep. :yawn:

That would be my only complaint and only a small one. Sleep. I can live with 4 to 5 hrs. but 8 to 9 would be nice.:D

My vision seems to get blurry in the evening or when I read this laptop screen too much.

I keep you all posted in the AM.

Peace and again Many Thanks to all.

Wavin to Reach!!!:wave:

Baja

Baja Chimin in.

A little early this morning but I can deal with 4 hours of sleep and still function. ;)

When I was told that there is a road into hell and there is also one out, I kinda knew the road out was going to be a little ruff. I just locked in four wheel drive and buckled my belt. :bouncing:

Honest, the ride has been and will still be a ruff one for a while but I feel sooooo much better.:D

At least I didn't have to get up and take a pill or 2 or 3 to function (dysfunction) today :)

Yesterday was excellent for me.

No anxiety other than what I would consider to be normal, at all. Didn't even need a Xanax:D
Very minor aches.
Loose stool gone. Metamucil maybe or just getting better?
A little of the yawns, also minor.
Depression also manageable. No more than what I would consider to be normal, at all.:D
Doing the vinegar and honey 2 x per day as REACH suggested. Tons of water, vitamins, food, light on the diet soda (Caffeine has a real kick now:blob_fire).

My vitamins are just a Multi, Vitamin C , Calcium , Zinc ,Magnesium and some immunity boosters I got off the shelf at the local Pharm.

Everyone fight a good fight today. Stay strong and trust me, it gets sooo much better sooo fast. Sometimes I thought it would never end but I listened to you all, and it really is a wonderful feeling (LIFE TODAY that is):angel:

Peace..

Baja

Wavin at REACH, Bass, Acapt and you to Seek.:wave:

P.S. This thread helped me so much I just can't let it fall off. This was actually the first thread I read when I visited. Found it on Google. I don't mean to repeat myself I felt that the more times this information gets out on the net the more people can be helped. I also love the title. Baja