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Wes1212
10-17-2002, 08:42 PM
This is Dr. Cecil:

Who is Dr. Ben Cecil?

To my knowledge, I am the only physician in the world who wants to treat thousands of patients with hepatitis C. I am board certified in Internal Medicine and Gastroenterology/Hepatology. I became interested in treating HCV when I joined the medical staff at the Louisville VA in May 1997. There were more than 600 untreated HCV patients, and it was my responsibility to treat as many as possible.

I had the privilege of being a student of the late Dr. Carlo Tamburro, an internationally known hepatologist. Dr. Tamburro was a leader and innovator in the treatment of hepatitis C and other liver diseases. He taught and conducted liver research at the University of Louisville School of Medicine for a quarter of a century.

I was a co investigator with Dr. Tamburro for two clinical trials using Rebetron prior to FDA approval in December 1998. I have been an investigator in several other trials using Intron A, Pegasys and PegIntron in combination with ribavirin.

In 1999, I published an abstract, which outlined my individualized approach to treatment. I am the only hepatologist who criticized the one size fits all treatment that had been done for 12 years. I criticized the lack of HCV-RNA levels to guide therapy. I pointed out that many curable patients were not being cured because doctors were using a cookbook approach. They were not treating HCV intelligently like doctors treat hypertension, diabetes and heart disease. Schering and their experts were telling doctors not to check the viral level until week 24 of therapy. Can you imagine a doctor putting a patient on a medication for hypertension and not rechecking the blood pressure for 24 weeks? This is like driving at night without headlights but has been the standard of medical practice.

In May 1999 I was chosen to give a poster presentation at Digestive Disease Week held in San Diego. My poster demonstrated that US veterans were heavier and many of them needed higher doses of interferon or they would fail treatment. This research predated Schering’s switch from one-size fits all therapy with Rebetron to weight based PegIntron dosing. I did not and do not recommend weight based dosing. I simply pointed out that some patients need more interferon than others. If you raise the dose you can cure them. If you do not they fail therapy.

In 2000, I published my initial work on treating patients with decompensated cirrhosis. Some patients with end stage liver disease from HCV cirrhosis have undetectable viral levels on treatment. They improve clinically with treatment. Ten thousand die every year in America from HCV cirrhosis and the pharmaceutical companies and the hepatology leaders refuse to offer them antiviral therapy. I have and will continue to criticize this practice. Hepatitis C cirrhosis is a lethal disease and must be treated aggressively. The drug companies do not want their medications blamed for deaths and side effects from cirrhosis. They want patients with mild liver disease to be treated, even though those patients are in no risk of premature death. Drug companies want to sell drugs. They do not want to save lives if it may affect their profits. To their credit, Roche did a large study on patients with early HCV cirrhosis. This study had very good results. Roche and Schering refuse to study their drugs in very advanced cirrhosis. I hope to encourage research for end stage HCV cirrhosis.

In 1999 I became a HCV advocate. My treatment of Michael Paulley, an imprisoned veteran with HCV cirrhosis was cancelled by the Kentucky Department of Corrections. I went to federal court with Mr. Paulley and his attorneys. Mr. Paulley is the only prisoner in the United States who has won the constitutional right to treatment of his HCV. He is still on treatment and has had undetectable HCV-RNA for more than one year.

I am trying to get health care reform for patients with HCV. If you have kidney failure, Medicare will take care of you. If you have liver failure, you are on your own. You will not get a liver transplant in Louisville KY (and I suspect elsewhere) unless you have great insurance or cash. Liver donors are mostly working men and women, not rich folks. Why should their donated livers only go to the rich or well insured? That is unjust.

We must have more rights for patients and less bureaucrats telling doctors what they can or cannot do for their patients. One large health insurance corporation refused to let one of my cirrhotic patients have higher doses of interferon, which he needed. They also refused to let him have the FDA approved PegIntron. The patient died because his insurance company did not want to spend a few bucks. They only care about the price of their stock. That insurance company is not the only one doing this.

To summarize, I have treated about 1,400 patients with HCV. I want to cure as many as possible using individualized treatment. I want to do everything possible for patients with HCV cirrhosis, many who are dying for no reason. I want all patients with hepatitis C cirrhosis to able to get treatment. Free or imprisoned, rich or poor, no one should die from a curable liver infection.

I treat patients with decompensated HCV cirrhosis. They are simultaneously referred to a liver transplant center for evaluation.

Ben Cecil, MD

Wes1212
10-17-2002, 09:03 PM
Individualized treatment of hepatitis C patients with Rebetron®

Bennet D. Cecil, MD Louisville VAMC

Clinical trials are essential to study the efficacy and safety of new therapies for chronic hepatitis, but standard doses of medications cannot replace tailored therapy for individual patients. The dose of interferon must be adjusted as needed in hepatitis C patients for an optimal response as the insulin dose is adjusted in diabetics. The HCV-RNA should be checked at 4 weeks instead of waiting 24 weeks to see if the interferon dose was correct. Stopping therapy if the HCV-RNA is detectable at 24 weeks after using a weak dose of interferon is illogical, wasteful and unnecessarily demoralizing to patients enduring significant side effects from treatment

Rebetron® is a major advance in the treatment of hepatitis C with a 41% sustained response rate in patients treated for 48 weeks. Subgroup analysis has revealed favorable and unfavorable patient characteristics, which help to guide therapy. However, the most important factor has been largely unrecognized-the individual patient’s HCV-RNA response to treatment. For a sustained response to occur with Rebetron® the patient must be prescribed an adequate dose of interferon along with 600-1,200mg per day of ribavirin to make the HCV-RNA undetectable during treatment. It must stay undetectable for perhaps several months if relapse is to be prevented when treatment is stopped.

33 veterans with chronic hepatitis C, several with biopsy proven cirrhosis, are being treated at the Louisville VAMC with Rebetron®. The primary objective is to obtain an undetectable HCV-RNA during treatment and to keep it undetectable for several months before stopping treatment. HCV-RNA by PCR was measured in each patient before treatment and during treatment, usually at 4 weeks. If the repeat HCV-RNA was not down by more than 90% the dose of Intron A was usually increased to 3 million units per day and up to 6 million units per day. Repeat HCV-RNA will be measured at 24 weeks and a decision will be made whether to stop treatment or increase the dose. The determination of genotype is costly, unnecessary and does not improve management of individual patients.

14 of 33 patients (42%) have undetectable HCV-RNA by PCR during treatment. 12 of 33 patients (36%) are partial responders with a 96% fall in their HCV-RNA during therapy ( mean pretreatment 1,724,337 copies/ml to mean during treatment 70,704 copies/ml). Most are expected to have undetectable HCV-RNA by 24 weeks. 7 of 33 patients (22%) were d/c from Rx, one with confusion, one with severe psoriasis and five because of a poor HCV-RNA response to treatment.

Conclusions:

1.Individualized Rebetron® therapy using higher interferon doses than 3MU TIW in selected patients results in an excellent treatment response in the majority 26 of 33 (78%) VA patients, several with biopsy proven cirrhosis.

2.Measuring the HCV-RNA at 4 weeks is very helpful in guiding adjustment of the interferon dose in selected patients.

3.Higher interferon doses are associated with a higher virologic response rate during treatment and greater toxicity.

4.Genotype determination is expensive and unnecessary with this approach to treatment. The sustained response rate is unknown.

5.The dose and duration of Rebetron® treatment should be individualized for each patient.

Wes1212
10-17-2002, 10:12 PM
Dr. C. Letter to nonresponder:

You were curable but did not get cured. I would wait a year or so and reconsider. Check your Pro time, AFP, platelet count and albumin every 6-12 months. I am sorry that you did not get treated long and/hard enough to be cured. I start off with low doses and increase slowly. I try to use high doses the last 3 months of treatment if possible to wipe out those last few viral particles. You have to kill every single one to get cured. I am glad that you feel well and do not have signif damage.

Jemah
10-18-2002, 05:34 PM
Great isn't he!? If I could afford the drugs without insurance paying I would jump in my car and drive to Louisville for treatment.

His goal is to cure, and he is willing to adjust medication and is very aggressive with treatment.

We need more M.D.'s like him

Thanks Wes,
Jeannie

Wes1212
04-13-2003, 02:51 AM
ive heard real stories from people who were given a death sentence prognosis from their specialists and are now living virus free and with newfound hope due to this doctors diligence!

He gets some negative feedback, but i think his success speaks more loudly!

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askherjohn82
04-14-2003, 08:54 AM
i also know a person that has been hep free for over 5 years, that's great news!when i first found out i contracted it, i was getting all negative info (not from the board)i never had a comp. at the time.just the same i was writing and studing what i could from the toronto library,after i got my comp.the info became more so, but from peoples own experiances.it is a wonderful thing to have theses carring people who share there info.and makes us feel good helping the ones who are knew to this from our own experiances>
keep the faith, bless you..................mj

casperclaudee
04-15-2003, 01:54 AM
If I understand this all correctly, his focus is on treating those with Hep C cirrhosis, which would be an advanced stage. Wow. I didn't realize there was such a "fight" to be able to treat patients logically, aggressively, with specific tailored treatments!

Holy cow. A REAL doctor! We need more of these type, to be sure! Thanks for the info. This guy makes a lot of sense.

Diane

askherjohn82
04-24-2003, 09:32 AM
we sure do need more docs that can relate to our conditions.
keep the faith, bless you..........mj

hatchjo
05-18-2003, 08:12 PM
JUST READ THE POST ON DR.CECIL. I HAVE BEEN ONE OF THE FORTUNATE FOLKS THAT HAS HAD THE PLEASURE OF MEETING WITH THE GREAT DR.C. EVERYTHING YOU HAVE HEARD IS TRUE, HE IS AN AMAZING MAN! I AM GENO 1a STAGE 4 WITH CIRRHOSIS, NON RESPONDER TO REBETRON.I WAS GOING TO WORK WITH HIM BUT WENT WITH THE CLINICAL TRIAL FOR ZADAXIN INSTEAD. IF THIS TREATMENT DOES NOT WORK, I WOULD NOT HESITATE TO GO BACK TO HIM. PEGASYS IS NOT AVAILABLE IN CANADA, SO TREATING IN US FUNDS FOR A YEAR AND A HALF TO TWO YEARS CAN BE VERY TAXING FINANCIALLY. TALKING TO DOCTORS HERE IS LIKE TALKING TO A BRICK WALL. BUT IF THE NEED ARISES, I WILL GO BACK TO DR. C AND DO TREATMENT WITH HIM. P.S. HE ALSO HAS AN OFFICE IN DETROIT. THANKS
JOANNE

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meanjeanl2002
05-19-2003, 09:04 PM
As a veteran using the VA, I wish I could meet him too. It would be nice if the dr that I'm seeing was as caring as Dr. Ben Cecil is. I don't want to be an experiment for the VA, but with no insurance, I can't afford to not be...Maybe he's not the only dr who cares about us...

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Jeanie

thanbey
05-20-2003, 11:35 AM
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thanbey
05-20-2003, 10:40 PM
All I can say is that I do not trust him and leave it there.

thanbey

Jemah
05-21-2003, 10:26 AM
Sounds like another VA horror story. When will the government take care of our vets?!

As for Dr Cecil self promoting, I've only heard about him through word of mouth from grateful patients. I've never seen an advertisement and he doesn't have a web site. I have emailed him and he is the only doctor that has ever responded to me. Matter of fact, this is the first time I've heard anything negative about him.

I've read his treatment protocol and it is on the up and up. He really wants to rid people of this virus. What's so wrong with that?

Never heard him bad mouth any one else in this field either come to think think of it.

Jeannie

thanbey
05-21-2003, 11:48 AM
The VA has the very best HCV clinical program anywhere in this country. Any national program will have variations from site to site, but I am here to tell you that the VA has been a pioneer in the testing and in research areas of hepatitis C. HCOP submitted the first successful service connection for HCV in 1992 and we have come a long way since then at the VA. Would that the rest of the Federal Government pay as close attention and offer this kind of care to those who are infected.

Dr. Cecil has not been responsible for any of the programming or the progress at the Va hospital, his claims to the contrary notwithstanding. He had one high profile case in Kentucky and has tried to leverage that for the past few years.

Dr. Cecil has had a website for years. Type his name into any search engine.

thanbey

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