Hello everyone ,I have not been in here in a very long time ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I hope everyone is doing well ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I am here to post a question about our viral count? I was curious why they say your viral load(quant. count)doesnt matter ? You are either detected or non detected.But if it doesnt matter then why are some people in the thousands & others in the millions with there count ? Why the test then if it doesnt count ?I am asking because I started at 770,369(thousand) ,I am treating my self with alternative medicine.I started something new last june,on top of the other things I had been taking. I hadnt seen much of a change until I added a few things.I got my tests back today & my new count is 199,289 thousand & my alt & ast is 28 & 24 .I am so excited because I know I am on the road to recovery!!! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif So I was just wonderng why some people say it does count & other people say it doesnt ? I feel it does count ,But I just wanted a little feedback why some think differently ? Any input would be appreciated ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifTake care ,Think positive& all of can beat his dragon ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif Cudagirl

Hi Cudagirl - I have heard that the only time it shows a real difference is when it goes down at least a full log, which is 90%. However, I don't blame you for being happy about your results. I am happy with mine every time, even though it went up 400,00 this last time. It is still down almost 7,000,000 from last year. Your LFTS are great! Keep up the good work. Isn't it great taking charge of your own health? And, yes, I'd love to hear what your using too.

Love & Blessings, Karolyn

Howdy Cudagirl-
Welcome back, where you been? outstanding results, it shows you have been leading a healthy live and doing the right things.

Now NOT trying to rain on anyones parade, -As others here have pointed out, although you can spend thousands and improve your results and levels, there has NOT been one proven case of anyone curing themselves though, any vitamines, herbs, or supplements, some have in fact harmed themselves.

Now having said that, I am behind anyone that can improve their condition to the point where they can in fact wait, and see, if there will be improved treatments in the futre that are much more user freindly, or even never have to treat as their quaility of life has not effected them.

I applaud you for your sucess, keep up the great work and do not be sush a stranger here.

Be Positive, Be Well+




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--Get Outdoors-Enjoy Life----Neil

Lost 1, I think that some of those that are having spontaneous clearance of the virus may be proof enough for others. From what I know of virus, I dont' think a cure has been claimed for any of them. That is why the scientific community is rushing to be able to identify the SARS virus. They what to halt the spread before it is out of control. A virus that is air born is something they have worried about for years. I do have a friend, that claims her father cleared himself of Hep C with a Micro-biotic diet, but how could he prove that and who could eat that way. She has another friend who is younger that is already jaundice. I think he was looking to her father for help, but I dont' know how he is because he moved. I think people look to being able to say cured because it gives them a sense of normalcy. When normal is anything that occurs in nature. The Hep G virus that has been discovered has shown to help the body defend against HIV. So who knows maybe, a lesser form of the Hep C or other Hep virus could be the method that some use to clain cured. Just like that movie, "Omega Man", when Charles Heston's blood becomes a plasm source for people to build immunity. To Gothic man. The relationship of Herpes to Chicken poxs, suggests that different strains of virus have different levels of severity.

Howdy Boonies-
Spontanous clearance, of yourself or others have nothing proven to do with any supplements, and should not even be portrayed as so,
my wife not taking any type of anything, very little exercise, etc, including Vitamimes, was spontanous cleared, with the antibodies, now that mysterious action, has happened to many, mostly female, but also has happened to drunks, and other high risk liver damage people, why ?we are not sure,if we did we wouold have a vaccine.

I was not knocking anyones method of treating, I am for any method that can/will help oneself,to any positive level, I was merely stating a fact, probably when I should have, in this case, shut up.

Be Positive, be well+

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Hi Cudagirl and Welcome to the board,I forgot that last time. Lost 1, I did not think you you were knocking anyone. It is that even with Tx, it cant' be said that a person is cured. Your right, we dont' know what clears a person of HCV and leaves them with just antibodies, so who is to say that alternative treatments have not. All we know is for some reason this happens. It could be lifestyle choices, gender issues like Embryonic ability or something a person eats with protiens that improve their immune system. The virus is for this generation, what bacteria was in the past. Penicillin was discovered on mold growing on bread. In our time, just a short period from then, there are infections happening in hospitals that only 1 antibiotic works on. When that one is no longer working. People wont' be admitted to hospitals unless matter of life and death. The reason being going to the hospital could make it worst. They are working on a better antibiotic, but it is a race against time. Now it is believed, that over use of antibiotics is the reason. For some, this this may be reason enough to look at alternative treatments. Just thoughts from my head.

A person is considered "cured" of the virus after 3 years of SVR. One case in point, Naomi Judd.

Jeannie

Hi Jemah, 3 years is a long time to hold a sustained response, but I dont' know who set that standard. Clinical trials of Tx have offered some advancement over there course of the studies, but these are control groups, most likely, hand picked by the companies offering them. When they become available to general public are the response rates going to continue to to see this success? Who knows. I remember when Naomi Judd came out in support of, what I believe is, the company providing her treatment that she was contracted to as spoke person. I had hope to here more on how she is since treatment, so if you have some up-dates, please share it with me. I think she started her treatment about the time it became available for use. What was that 1997 or 1998?

Well Hello everyone ! Wow,alot of responses! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifThank you !Sorry I have been busy working all week,So this is the first chance I have gotten to check the boards.Yes,You are right,I am happy with my results! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifI understand what you are saying about the numbers,But I am lucky I guess because since I was diagnosed 2 years ago,I have not flucuated ,They have not gone up & down at all.Mine started at 770,360(thousand).After a year of herbs & supplements went down to 626,000(thousand).Then on top of that,last june I added Noni Juice everyday & Bioplasma(homeopathic,cell salts)all of this along with a very strick diet & excercise.I stay away from processed foods,sugar,I just eat healthy .Sometimes I eat unhealthy things once in a while (like once every 2 weeks or once a month)for a treat,you have to for sanity reasons!After a while some of it doesnt even taste good anymore.Then 2 weeks ago found out I dropped to 199,000(thousand).I have always luckily had normal alt's& ast's .Those have never gone up & down either.So thats why I feel so happy because my numbers have done nothing but decrease,They have never gone back up.So I count my blessings there.I have read other posts & everyone talks about have there numbers go up& down.I know I am lucky & I am confident I am on my way to beating this dragon!I know alot of people dont agree with treating yourself the natural way ,But I feel it is working for me & I dont suffer from any side effects while I am getting better.Everyone has to do what is best for themselves,I feel this is working great for me.I have more energy than I have had in a long time too! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifSo Thank you again for your responses ! I will talk to all of you soon ! Take Care stay positive & all of us can beat this dragon! TTFN Cudagirl

P.S.I forgot to list you in detail what I take everyday.I take Noni Juice every morning .I take Bioplasma ,lecitin,Milk thistle,4000-5000 mg of Rose Hips,Dry Vit.E,Calcium with vit.D,Echinecea with goldenseal for 3 weeks stay off a week etc.,I take food enzymes 3 times a day with meals & other vitamins to make sure my body is absorbing all the nutrients out of all the things I am taking.I drink a Milk & Egg protein drink(full of vitamins also) after breakfast every morning,I drink another drink called Superfood in the afternoon .It is a different type of protein drink from spirulina ,it has blue green algae,etc.It is a great boost for me in the afternoon.Most people have coffee ,I fill my self with vitamins & It gives me a second wind .I also eat alot of fresh ginger & garlic several times a week ,It is a great natural antibiotic,really cleanses me .The garlic is fresh I sqeeze it through my garlic press in a bowl,scoop it in my mouth & swallow real fast! I eat the garlic with food to because it will burn your stomach if it is empty!I also drink alot of fresh juice with my juicer! I hope this helps ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif Talk to you soon! Cudagirl

Cudagirl, I just love reading encouraging news obtained by natural treatments, like your's. I will not treat chemically as I don't believe in it for myself (no symptoms, no liver disease). Although I admire and respect and love the success stories posted by the chemical treaters (they are, after all, helping not only themselves, but helping to pave the way for future treatment for Hep C) ... I am 100% against it for myself.

I am not really aggressive in my own self-treatment. Have been living a pretty healthy lifestyle already for years that works for Hep C self-treatment before diagnosis, but haven't added anything else yet to my normal vitamin and supplement routine except milk thistle (already take vit e) specifically for Hep C. All my numbers are great except high viral load. However, I do see more health products in my future.

Quite frankly, I believe folks need to do what works for them. I am a self-treater, others treat chemically. We do what we gotta do, you know?

Thanks for sharing your continuing good news. For me, it is an inspiration to see folks happy in their natural choices.

It's ALL in the attitude!

Diane

Thank you Diane for your kind words ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I appreciate them !I too beleive in the natural way of healing .Our Liver is the ONLY organ in the human body that has the ability to heal it itself if treated properly & fed the right nutrients,Along with a very healthy diet & excercise.I am a 1B .So I am very resisitant to treatment.1A&1B are the most resistant to treatment,So until they have a proven cure for me without alot of side effects ,I feel confident in the natural path I have chose.I feel the best I have felt in years,I have more energy than I have had in years,I sleep the best I have in years! I use to have the worst insomnia! It was terrible! Now that I excercise I sleep like a baby! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifMy husband cant beleive it either! But like you said everyone has to do what is best for themselves,I definitly feel I have done the best for my health! Good luck to you! Stay positive,Stay healthy & we together can beat this dragon! Talk to you soon ! Cudagirl

Hey Boonie! I can't remember when Naomi Judd treated but it seems longer that 1998. I just don't remember.

According to her web post, she used the old interferon 3x a week. No mention of ribavirin. She claims her success to biofeedback, naturopath treatments and God. Never saw where she mentioned a drug company or have heard her talk about using the drug. She was very quiet on that subject so I really don't think she is a paid spokes person for anyone.

She was on Larry King live a while back with Dr. Weill who was promoting a cookbook. He evidently treated her with natural foods too.

Take care,
Jeannie

Hey Boonie! I can't remember when Naomi Judd treated but it seems longer that 1998. I just don't remember.

According to her web post, she used the old interferon 3x a week. No mention of ribavirin. She claims her success to biofeedback, naturopath treatments and God. Never saw where she mentioned a drug company or have heard her talk about using the drug. She was very quiet on that subject so I really don't think she is a paid spokes person for anyone.

She was on Larry King live a while back with Dr. Weill who was promoting a cookbook. He evidently treated her with natural foods too.

Take care,
Jeannie

I have a question ? I know Naomi Judd did the usual treatment ,But I believe when she was done with treatment ,She treated herself naturally with Milk Thistle & other herbs to maintain her health? I am almost positive I read that about her ?Anyone know ? Cudagirl

Alysha267 ,I brought this back up to the top for you so you could read this ! Good Luck to you & your husband! Cudagirl

Hi,
I started treatment with a viral load of 17,000,000. I'm almost done, would been if I hadn't gone off for a coupla weeks due to probs with insurance. So , I seem to be on my last month and my last viral load was 780. Not bad for a pot a day coffee drinking smoker. Hope I clear soon, these side effects are klling me. Or is that the coffee, hmmm.
Best wishes simon

hi cudagirl
it has been awhile.interesting post,and many replies.i'm interested in alternative myself!i do take 1vit-e daily,1-multi-vit daily,and 1 liv-tone (capsul)2x daily.i did an experiment on myself for several months and i do believe that the liv-tone has helped tremendously.
keep the faith, bless you...........mj

Hi Cudagirl,
A natural protacol for Hep C I received from a Ph.d in Clinical nutrition is as follows (I DO NOT endorse or negate this, just thought i'd put it out there):

Alpha Lipoic Acid 100mg 3-4x day
Beta 1-2-3 Glucan
"IP-6" (phytic acid)
garlic
SAMe
Green Tea extract
Trymethal Glycine (spelling?)
Mitaki mushroom extract
Milk Thistle 500mg 2x day
Vit c with bioflavs and minerals 5000-50,000 mg/day
Green Juices 3-4x day (can be freeze dried product)
Red Juices (berries,watermelon,cherry,pomegranite,e tc)
Nettle extract
Dandelion "
Flax seed oil
Probiotics

1hr aerobic exercise 4-5x wk.
Plant based diet

Intravenous ozone treatment
Intravenous vitamins

>>ONCE again<<, I do not endorse or discourage this regimen.
It is however, non-toxic and cleansing and couldn't hurt as maintanance. Takewhatyoulikeandleavetherest.
Bob

Bob,Thanks for the reply ! Great protocol your doctor has you on ! There are so many things we can take to treat Hep C naturally . Everyone does have to do what makes themselves feel the best! Sounds like you are doing very well ! Congratulations ! I feel so much better since I cut out the junk foods etc.I have more energy ,I just feel great from eating well ,taking the right supplements & I too exercise 4-6 times a week.Even my doctors who are against what I am doing cant beleive how much my numbers have dropped!When I do decide to treat myself & have something I dont normally eat,It actually makes me sick .Its weird when your body isnt use to it anymore ?Well thanks again for your reply ,You keep up the good work & you can beat this dragon!Take Care & Stay positive! Cudagirl

Hi Cudagirl,

It wasn't actually a doctor I saw in person but someone I was corresponding with.

However from what I understand, cleansing is the most important thing and only THEN can one rebuild.
Juicing is of utmost importance, green juices (such as Gary Null's Green stuff 3-4x day) and red juices for rebuilding.
Detoxifying is the most important thing before anything else is added to rebuild.
Exercise is very, very important.
Plant based diet(organic if possible) is very important.
Elimination of ANYTHING toxic or taxing to the liver including dairy, wheat,SUGAR, processed foods, animal products are horrible for the body to process, breakdown and eliminate.
It goes without saying regarding alcohol,tobacco, 'recreational' drugs and the other obvious offenders. Caffeine--very bad.
The protocol offered to me was suggested as comprehensive but not necessary to do it ALL.
I'm trying to simplify and not complicate or stress myself out over all of this.
It's not about deprivation, but enhancement and optimization. And Fun!!
We needn't feel punished for having an 'illness'.
We've punished ourselves enough. Serenity is my right and I can gently and lovingly commit myself to that anytime I want, no matter where i'm "at" in my life.
Hallelujah!! LOL! ( speaker climbs down soap box...).

Originally posted by cudagirl:
Hello everyone ,I have not been in here in a very long time ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I hope everyone is doing well ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I am here to post a question about our viral count? I was curious why they say your viral load(quant. count)doesnt matter ? You are either detected or non detected.But if it doesnt matter then why are some people in the thousands & others in the millions with there count ? Why the test then if it doesnt count ?I am asking because I started at 770,369(thousand) ,I am treating my self with alternative medicine.I started something new last june,on top of the other things I had been taking. I hadnt seen much of a change until I added a few things.I got my tests back today & my new count is 199,289 thousand & my alt & ast is 28 & 24 .I am so excited because I know I am on the road to recovery!!! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif So I was just wonderng why some people say it does count & other people say it doesnt ? I feel it does count ,But I just wanted a little feedback why some think differently ? Any input would be appreciated ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifTake care ,Think positive& all of can beat his dragon ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif Cudagirl

Hello,
I am with you on alternative medicine. I have been taking herbs for 48 years. Go to this sight. Great herb formulas from chinenes doctor for Hepatitis C www.dr.ren.com (http://www.dr.ren.com)

Originally posted by cudagirl:
Hello everyone ,I have not been in here in a very long time ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I hope everyone is doing well ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I am here to post a question about our viral count? I was curious why they say your viral load(quant. count)doesnt matter ? You are either detected or non detected.But if it doesnt matter then why are some people in the thousands & others in the millions with there count ? Why the test then if it doesnt count ?I am asking because I started at 770,369(thousand) ,I am treating my self with alternative medicine.I started something new last june,on top of the other things I had been taking. I hadnt seen much of a change until I added a few things.I got my tests back today & my new count is 199,289 thousand & my alt & ast is 28 & 24 .I am so excited because I know I am on the road to recovery!!! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif So I was just wonderng why some people say it does count & other people say it doesnt ? I feel it does count ,But I just wanted a little feedback why some think differently ? Any input would be appreciated ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifTake care ,Think positive& all of can beat his dragon ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif Cudagirl

Hello,
I am with you on alternative medicine. I have been taking herbs for 48 years. Go to this sight. Great herb formulas from chinenes doctor for Hepatitis C www.dr.ren.com (http://www.dr.ren.com)

Originally posted by cudagirl:
Hello everyone ,I have not been in here in a very long time ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I hope everyone is doing well ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif I am here to post a question about our viral count? I was curious why they say your viral load(quant. count)doesnt matter ? You are either detected or non detected.But if it doesnt matter then why are some people in the thousands & others in the millions with there count ? Why the test then if it doesnt count ?I am asking because I started at 770,369(thousand) ,I am treating my self with alternative medicine.I started something new last june,on top of the other things I had been taking. I hadnt seen much of a change until I added a few things.I got my tests back today & my new count is 199,289 thousand & my alt & ast is 28 & 24 .I am so excited because I know I am on the road to recovery!!! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif So I was just wonderng why some people say it does count & other people say it doesnt ? I feel it does count ,But I just wanted a little feedback why some think differently ? Any input would be appreciated ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gifTake care ,Think positive& all of can beat his dragon ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif Cudagirl

Hello,
I am with you on alternative medicine. I have been taking herbs for 48 years. Go to this sight. Great herb formulas from chinenes doctor for Hepatitis C www.dr.ren.com (http://www.dr.ren.com)

Thanks for the information & Support ! It is hard to get positive feed back for alternative treatment .I will definitly go to this sight.What have you been treating yourself with ? I would love to hear & maybe learn something new ! http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif Well you take care ,stay positive & I will talk to you soon ! Cudagirl

I thoroughly support alternate treatment! I just don't know very much about it. I believe that it is best to keep an open mind, live and let live, so to speak! I am so happy that there are alternate methods for treating this disease! Tx is just NOT for everyone. That is the most awesome thing is the uniqueness of each of us as individuals that makes us human! I celebrate that! I wish I knew more about alternate treatment. I have managed to learn a few things from reading the posts and I look forward to learning more. I am also routing for each and everyone of us, no matter what method we chose to try to beat this monster! Good luck!

Take care and God bless,
~Lorna