Has anyone out there who is using OOO experienced any side effects. If so, please write. Thanks

Susie

I've been using it for about three weeks now. (I posted about what I was doing). All I found was a slightly odd feeling for a couple of days just after I started. Hard to describe but nothing drastic.

Slight burning in my mouth, and I also applied it topically down below. Definite stinging and only to be applied onto the sore itself, not around the place! :-) But the sore healed very fast.

All I can add is that I have not had any OBs since then.This could be a coincidence, as the pressure is off and I have been taking it very easy. But it's a nice feeling!

Garnet

L&L, OOO is oil of oregano and has been a hot topic in alternative treatments on this board in the last few months. Go through the archives or do a search for this in the archives. Other alternative treatments are also discussed, including H-balm. There's a wealth of information there. http://www.healthboards.com/ubb/smile.gif

TheOneInFour

Oil of oregano is quite strong so it might be best to start with only small doses and work up to more. It's recommended to be taken under the tongue with only a few drops at a time.

Some people experience what are referred to as "healing reactions" or die-off effects when starting on the oil. These could be mild such as a general feeling of tiredness or they could be more severe such as intial prolonged H outbreaks, headaches, body aches, acne breakouts, unusual bowel movements, etc. Again, your mileage may vary. Seek a professional's advise if you're unsure about anything you may experience if you decide to try the oil. Good luck.

Hi Chris,

Welcome to the board. Some people were reporting that "healing effect" you talk about in connection with olive leaf extract (OLE) but I don't remember seeing it mentioned regarding OOO. Have you specifically seen this or heard first-hand accounts of it happening with OOO as well?

TheOneInFour

My logic is basically anything you put into your body that will affect it (negatively or positively) will surface in some sort of physical reaction... this could be good or bad depending on the substance being introduced. However, specifically involving the oil of oregano - yes, I am using it currently and have experienced some of the die-off effects. However, probably not nearly as badly as some others may expect to experience if they begin using it.

I'm generally healthy and have been on other supplements previously and still currently during my use of the oil. I did, however, experience more severe die-offs when starting some of my other supplements, which would partly explain why my effects from the oil were so mild in comparison. I knew what to expect and so I delt accordingly, but for anyone wishing to detox, purify, and strengthen your body, please be careful and err with caution. Research everything very thoroughly; factor possible risks with possible rewards and make an INFORMED decision for YOURSELF. If in doubt, seek a professional's advice.

With that in mind, the die-offs that I can best relate directly to my oil use would be initial short-term worsening of the H outbreaks. I started with 2 drops 2 times per day under the tongue holding them there for ~5 minutes and then washing the afertaste down with a swig of water. Nasty tasting stuff until you get used to it. :-) I had a continuous outbreak for the first maybe 10 days or so upon starting, but not a horrible one. I used other supplements such as lysine and OLE (among other things) to keep the virus at bay while I slammed it with oregano. It has worked quite well. Once I noticed the H symptoms fading I increased my dose to 3 drops 2 times per day, then again to 4 drops 2 times per day. Now I'm at 5 drops 2 times per day. Each time I increased the dose I noticed H symptoms setting in and each time I counter-acted them as best I could. Also, which each increase in dose the time frame between increases has shorted and the symptoms have lessened each time. At my current level, I am now noticing very, very slight H reactions. I will be increasing the level again very soon to probably 5 drops 3 times per day to see what happens. I will probably remain at that level and see how things progress from there on a daily basis. These healing reactions are good things... it's the body's natural way of clensing itself, but if you don't expect them they might surprise you and freak you out. Honestly, I would have been very upset if I didn't experience them (even though they were tough). They are good way for me to get feedback about what's going on within my body. :-)

One very important thing I can't say strongly enough about my personal point of view is this: I firmly believe that every illness and virus on this planet can be CURED. I'm not going to claim that any one single substance or herb will cure you, however, I do believe the human body is a wonderfully complex peice of work capable of healing/curing itself when given the proper balance of ingredients. I don't look for the FDA or any medical establishment for anything worthwhile (there's no incentive for them to actually "cure" illness; only to treat symptoms, while ingoring the causes). It will take time, but I will cure myself and rid this virus from my body. I firmly believe this... power of mind over body... If you can't firmly believe this yourself then I believe you're doing yourself a huge disservice and you've already lost the most important part of the battle. I personally refuse to give in and concede to the medical profession's views. They just don't suit me. (shrugs) However, I'm a very strong person emotionally with strong views not easily swayed. Heck, getting stuck with this hasn't really phased me (and yes I've had the talk and dated a non-H partner since I found out). It's just not really a big deal for me. I'm not shouting it from rooftops, but I'm not stressing over it either. It's all good. Besides, if this is the worse thing that happens to me in this lifetime I'll consider myself lucky... it could always be worse. :-)

Sorry about that... got lost in my ramble. Anyway, I hope this helps someone, somewhere.

Chris

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Hi Chris,

I can relate to not being bothered as much as some of the people on the board as I have heard. I have NEVER been infected with anything other than the common cold but when I got the virus...ironically my response was like sh*t...ok now what move on. I contracted the virus from a boyfriend...I basically blamed myself for trusting him and kept stepping.

I too recently had the talk with a non h partner but my experience was not well..neither was my delivery in having the talk. At any rate...i was wondering if you would share how "the talk" went for you. I don't plan to let one bad experience affect me..his loss not mine.

At any rate, some people of the board deal with h as if it is the end of the world...but then again...i don't have to deal with the physical pain assoc with it. Other than tellign someone and they look at me like eeewww...I really don't let it bother me. Even before the h my s*x life was limited to committed relationships so casual s*x not being an option is fine by me.

I too would like to beat the virus. I take OOO and OLE but can't gauge anything simply cause I don't experience symptoms anyway...I recently purchased a supply of liquid oxygen...but am afraid to take that.

From the day that I was diagnosed...and told there was no cure but suppressive treatment...i too felt why make it a cure if you can treat it and no one will die from it. However the govt has come up with a vaccine for women that are hsv1 and hsv2 negative...which may be helpful in the prevention of transmission.

Hi notsobad,

I know how you feel. I felt almost exactly the same as you do in regards to H. I knew telling would be difficult and it was... but, not horrible. I know what I want out of a relationship and I also knew that the woman I'm meant to be with wouldn't care about H so I took that emotional road. I don't go for the casual sex either. I was very "matter of fact" about it, told her how it was, told her to ask as many questions as she could come up with and do some of her own research. I also told her that I'd like her to seriously think about this and let me know as soon as she'd made a decision if it was something she could handle. I told her we both know what we want out of a relationship so if you can't handle this please tell me sooner rather later so we can both move on and just concentrate on building our friendship instead.

Needless to say she was shocked, but appreciated that I told her so early on. She mentioned that if I had waited, that in doing so I would have upset her even more because she would have been more emotionally involved and would have felt like I was keeping it from her. I won't got that route, not ever, not with anyone. It's not worth it. Brutal honesty is best imho, but you have to expect it in return.

This was someone that I'd already built a friendship with via strictly email for over a year so she knew me pretty well already as a "person". We did finally meet in person and took it from there. Shortly after we met we decided to go beyond friends so I told her right then before we got into the "dating portion". I was lucky, she was mature for her age (23, I'm 26) so she handled herself well. A few days after me telling her she said, "by the way, about the H - I don't care. You're a great person and I'm not going to judge you for that. Like you said, sometimes bad things just happen to good people." I was kinda shocked, but not really. Unfortuately, I ended the relationship a few months later before it really got serious for other reasons, but we're still friends and talk regularly.

Anyway, I hope this helps. I don't know that my next telling will be as successful, but even if it's not, it's all good. :-) I'll move on. No biggie. I do think the delivery of your telling is important. If you made H out to be the plague of all plagues then it will show in your emotions and will probably rattle your significant other even moreso. Don't downplay it - give it to 'em straight, but don't act like you're dying or that it comsumes your life. JUST BE YOU - ALWAYS! If they don't like you for you (good and bad), then it's their loss. Take care and have faith!

Chris

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That's a good approach like it or leave it. I tried something similar to that but like I said my delivery sucked. I basically went to the doctor for a checkup. Unfortunatley my doctor is not the most sensitive person about the subject. WHen he first diagnosed me in a non-chalant manner he was like you better tell your future partners cause some people will shoot your head off for stuff like this..just what I wanted to hear that day. Anyway...I told him I was seeing someone new and he was like I hope you told him about your problem(Dr. insensitive *******) I paniced and ran to the car and called my boyfriend and blurted it out.

I then in a very hostile manner was like if you can't deal with it let me know now. He asked for time to think about it and I said if he needed to think that I wanted out. ( i obviously was making a mess of the situation) He did some research came back and said it was not a major deal and that it was ok. 2 weeks later I think the idea of me withholding the information for so long got to him and he ended things.

In a previous posting Onein4 told me it was probably the fact I withheld the information as oppose to the actual h. I think I agree with her. I didn't get intimate with him but I will tell you whenever he talks to me now and mentions me withholding the information he gets furious. I will definatley tell much sooner the next time and be much more calm and informative when I do it.

Geez Chris - you sound exactly like me! Your views about the medical establishment, the human body, and even casual sex are right on, I think. Just wanted to say that, and welcome you to the board.

Your absolutely right, if we can't "think outside the box" and believe that we can be cured, then it's over right there.

Nonexist

sorry, double post. Stupid computer.

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Thanks Chris for all of the info. I just finished posting a question about some of the "die off" symptoms. You answered quite a bit of it. Is oregano used to force the virus out to be killed by Lysine and OLE? You didn't say how long of a time period you have been trying the oregano and the other supplements. How many times have you had to decrease your intake of oregano because you felt like you were getting an ob? Has anyone heard of a general time frame of how long the die off effect lasts? I'm sure it varies from person to person, but if anyone can break it down to weeks or months that would be great. This website and everyone that participates has really been helpful and appreciated.

Hi, I just replied to your other post about the die-off effects you "might" expect to experience. Again, everyone reacts differently to H, medicines, and herbs so your mileage may vary. :-) I worked my dosages up slowly, adding one supplement each time and increasing the dosage as I felt comfortable (afer many days upon days of research for each thing I've introduced to my body). I have not, at any time, reduced my dosages of any one supplement to reduce the die-offs. I listen to my body very carefully for signals and positive/negative reactions and adjust accordingly... this is not for everyone, but it works for me. If in doubt, seek professional advice.

Honestly, I knew even though I was basically healthy that I "should" expect to experience some sort of effects from the supplements and the oregano so I was mentally prepared. If I hadn't experienced die-offs I would have been more upset than having to tough through the ones I did experience (and still am to a mild degree). Each time I feel symptoms I simply say to myself, "there's a few thousand more cells ridding themselves of this virus." I envision it; I envision my body fighting this virus and expelling it. I never waiver from that... never. I am truly convinced that it's happening. I kinda like to think of the battle within my body like one of those 3-D chess games where each team moves a piece and then you watch the pieces destroy each other as the game progresses. :-) It's a funny mental picture, but it works for me... and you know what - I'm going to win the game. It's a long battle, but I won't quite until I've won. It's that simple.

Again, I can't stress enough that mind over body is, imho, a very, very important part of the body's healing process. You MUST believe that you are bieng healed. It's almost like those people who you hear saying, "I think I'm getting sick, oh well..." and then BOOM - they get sick! as opposed the those saying, "I feel kinda crappy, but I will NOT let myself get sick!" Big difference I think. I think any illness (or life challenges) should be approached in this manner. I'm a positive-minded person by nature so I refuse to give in. Nonexist posted in this thread as well and I agree with those comments wholeheatedly. We do share similar views.

Wow - what a ramble! Anyway, the herbs themselves I don't think have really scientifically be officially "proven" by the medical community to work in humans. It would take millions of dollars and FDA approval for the medical profession to make that claim. And - you can bet that if they did have those findings that the results would be buried so quick it'd make your head spin, just mho. There's no way to patent a natural substance and hence no way for the drug companies to make money on them. Think of the impact that a simple natural way to help the human body heal itself would have on the mutli-TRILLION dollay drug industry! Wikes!

Some generic studies have been performed, however, that showed very promising results in-vitro (in a petre dish) as well as some smaller studies of in-vivo effects in humans and lab animals of various natural substances and herbs. Do some reseach and you can find mounds of info. It just takes some digging.

Most importantly, don't lose faith! You can win the battle! Good luck and take care.

Chris

Hi Chris! I am soo feeling what you are saying in regard to H not taking control of your life as well as the part about knowing in the back of my mind that there is a cure for H out there somewhere (it's just that pharmaceutical companies couldn't profit off of that)! Quick question...along with the OOO, are you taking valtrex or anything else?

Yes, I do take other stuff besides just the oil of oregano, however, I have not taken any prescriptions whatsoever. I take a combination of vitamins and minerals for overall health as well as olive leaf, lysine, and BHT. I know I'm probably gonna catch heck for listing my regiment here from "nay-sayers" (sorry guys), but for those that are interested...

IMPORTANT DISCLAIMER: I am NOT a doctor, herbalist, or other med. professional so please BEFORE trying ANY of these things yourself do your own research and consult a professional. Use caution! Some or all of the below might not be right for you.

Ok - here's my basic daily regiment (not all of this is for H by the way; it's for overall good health; most of this I did before getting H); oh and for those that feel it makes a difference (and it does) I'm a mid-20's, 165lb., 5'6" male in good health

1 complete multi-vitamin (2x daily)
1500 mg coral calcium (1x daily - divided doses)
400 mg Vitamin E (2x daily)
500 mg Vitamin C (2x daily)
150 mg Co-Q10 (1x daily)
1 oz. liquid trace minerals (1x daily)
~800 mg Omega-3 fatty acid (1x daily)
alternating 3-day on/3-day off routine between 1000 mg garlic (2x daily) and 420 mg Echinacea (1x daily); not everyone can safely take echinacea... consult a physician 1st!

now for the H-related stuff...

* 1000 mg l-lysine (1-2x daily depending of food eaten)
* 5 drops sublingual oil of oregano (2x daily)
* 500 mg olive leaf extract (20% oleopein) (2x daily)
* 250 mg BHT (4x daily) (man-made food preservative... due your homework 1st!)
* topical DMSO + 3% H2O2 applied to outbreaks and spine (again - dangerous, do your research 1st)

* recently started ingesting diluted 35% food-grade H2O2 (.5% solution w/ water) and am starting with 5 oz. of mixture (1x daily) - USE PRECAUTION HERE!!!! This could be VERY dangerous. I've used liquid O2
before and would have started this protocol with or without the H, but didn't get around to it beforehand

* I will also be adding 4 tablespoons of virgin coconut oil to my daily routine soon... I chose the oil rather than to dismantle full coconuts each day (I don't have the time :-P) although the coconuts would work equally well; do your homework here - this is VERY healthy for you, as long as your not allergic... it may, however, cause H outbreaks (but my thinking is that those are actually healing reactions - wink, wink) Do some online searching and you'll soon see why I feel this way. ;-)

* on top of the above, I also try to eat healthy. I seldom drink alcohol or eat sweets, etc. Cutting soda out and replacing it with 5-8 16 oz. bottled waters per day also helped. :-) Oh yeah, deep-breathing exercises and a decent amount of physical exercise also does wonders. :-)

As you may notice, my approach is very thorough and methodical focusing on ALL aspects of H as well as overall general physical/emotional health. I'm a BIG fan of "mind over body" as you may notice if you search for some of my other new/recent posts. I believe that good "health" and a happy life starts within your mind and soul and follows through to physical being. Persistence and a positive demeanor pays off!

Hopefully, this posting has not offended anyone. I'm sure there are many that will not agree with the methods that I have chosen, however, I have done my research and have found a path that works for ME. I will ultimately follow it through and attain my goal.

Please, for anyone reading this, I urge you to do your OWN research and make your OWN *informed* decisions; what works for me or others, may not be right for YOU. Good luck.

GOODNESS GRACIOUS!! I applaud you!!! What are your eating habits like...do you pretty much eat whatever you want or are you one of those vegetable for breakfast, lunch, dinner, dessert, snack...types? I am in my mid 20's as well, healthy female. I know I need to consider changing my diet seeing that I only intake about 3-4 dosages of vegetables a week! :-( It's just that I hate salads and most other vegetables. Becoming a vegetarian would be a nightmare for me. But of course I know if I want to remain healthy that I need to seriously consider eating better. I've been diagnosed with H for about 6 years now. I've never been on ANY type of medication (prescription) for it since my outbreaks weren't really bad. But now it seems that as soon as one outbreak goes away,another one comes up! I appreciate all of the information that you have provided and I am going to take note and try some of them out myself (of course I will do my homework first)!!!

Hi camille,

Thanks for the comments. Hahaha... I certainly don't eat veggies morning, noon, and night. However, I don't constantly consume sodas and/or sweets constantly either. I just try to use common sense when it comes to nutrition. :-)

I replaced sodas and alcohol with water, Gatorade, and fruit juices for example. I still eat plenty of meat, but mostly chicken... although the occasional steak or porkchop is always welcome. :-)

When I have a sweets craving I might eat like a small bowl of Bryers strawberry icecream, or some yogurt, or maybe I'll splurg and have a cookie or two, etc. I stay away from chocolate, which is easy for me since I don't really care for it anyway.

I try to eat more smaller meals (and snacks) spaced throughout the day instead of fewer large meals, but this is never easy due to schedules, etc. so I just try as best I can.

For me, I still "cheat" and enjoy the occasional soda or alcoholic beverage. I don't consider it cheating though, because I know without the occassional "treat" I'd fall of the wagon. I don't stress about it. ;-P

As soon as I've got a little more money saved I intend to buy a juicer. I've always wanted one. Honestly, I think juicing your raw veggings and fruit is about the only way to truly get any kind of nutritional value out of them anymore.

Exercise is always good and I always try to get a little sun (the vit. D helps with my calcuim absorbtion and other vital bodily functions), but I don't overdue the exposure... a little at a time works best for me.

Obviously there's stuff I missed, but I hope this helps. Just be you, do a little research and decide to take some kind of action forward. Set a realistic goal and then go for it, one step at a time. Every little thing you do is one step closer to your desired results. Believe in yourself. Good luck. :-)

Chris

Chris

That's a serious regimen you've got going there! :-) My vitamin routine is not dissimilar to yours. I also cut out certain foods due to health problems that weren't helped by doctors or a dietician. This enables me to eat them sometimes when I go out.

I hope you wouldn't see me as a naysayer re multiple herpes treatments & remedies. You sound like you've done a lot of research on what works for you. Comments I've made here refer to people who seem to be clutching at straws and grabbing at the nearest thing without looking into it.

And you are right - healing has to come from inside too = mind over body.

My only concern with large amounts of vitamins is that if I go through a phase of not taking them, say a holiday when I might be lazy about it, the colds and coughs come right back. But then I got them the whole time before I took the vitamins, so I guess I'm not 100% optimum healthy... :-)

Garnet

Hi Garnetflower,

I agree, I do take a lot of daily vitamins, but I feel that I benefit from them. What you have to remember with vitamins (especially caplets or tablets) is that your body will only digest about 10% of them if you're lucky before it discards the rest in waste and urine. That's one reason I divide the doses and as to why my dosages may be higher that whay some others may decide is right for them. I'd much rather be able to get my minerals and vitamin intake from natural sources such as fruits, veggies, and nuts, etc., but the truth of the matter is that with traditional western food processing that by the time we buy the foods from the grocery store and cook them they have lost most (if not all) of their nutritional qualities. Like I mentioned previously, I'm in the process of saving up for a good juicer so that I can eat all those healthy RAW fruits and veggies and get more of my vitamins naturally. :-) As nature intended, I think is best for me. :-)

I don't consider you a naysayer at all. I was mainly referring to people such as those that simply strike down any method of treatment that might be considered "outside the box" or "quackery" because it's not FDA approved or prescribed by an MD., especially without knowing all of the facts or having tried it (for an adequate amount of time). :-) As yes, sorry, I do group most MD's in this group. Traditional western doctors are just not educated in curing disease; (I don't think it's thier fault) I think they are only taught to identify symptoms and to treat by prescribing the expensive drugs the FDA and drug giants force upon them. I don't think that traditional medical schools are even allowed to teach CURATIVE alternative medicine. Honestly, I think even the good doctors who know about alternative medicine wouldn't dare whisper a word about it in their practices for fear of being accused a "quack" and losing their medical license (and tossed in jail at worse). It's happened in the past... But that rant is a whole other subject better left to another time and place. :-)

Back to the topic at hand... in every post thus far I've made it a point to mention that what works for one person might now work for someone else, espeically with H. While we are all human beings, each one us has a slightly different and unique body chemestry/composition, and we are all at different levels of health. These facts, among many others such as mindset, diet, and lifestyle, all play important roles as to how out bodies react to the things we give them.

I do disagree with one statment though... I don't think people seeking answers, treatments, or cures in alternative methods is necessarily "grasping at straws" as you put it. However... :-) I do think that when most people first find their way to this message board they are already so freaked out and emotionally tweaked that they seemed paniced and desperate and ask a whirlwind of questions. I've lurked here for over 4 months now (only had 1st symptoms of H about 5 months ago this week) and I can personally attest to that fact that with enough research (the search button on this site works wonders and so does my favorite search engine Google) :-P anyone can uncover enough information to make very educated and informed decisions about their personal health. But - if there's any doubt in their mind as to what they find it's best see a professional, hopefully a well-educated one.

I certainly don't advocate anyone just blindly follow the path of someone else without doing some of their own serious research and forming their own conclusions, while seeking professional advice when they feel it's appropriate. These boards and others like it along with search engines, etc. are all great places to start.

At the very least, people here can know that they are not alone in their struggle with H and with life in general. I think we all need to feel needed, wanted, and that we belong. It just so happens that we all belong to the H gang for now. :-) I know that even though I didn't freak like most "newbies" on this board when I realized what I had, it did make me feel better to know that it was a LOT more common than even I thought it was.

Oh yeah just a tidbit fyi for those that are curious since I've seen it mentioned many, many times in anger on this board... I heard on CNN (or read somewhere recently - don't remember which) that one reason why genital herpes blood screening is not included in standard STD panels is because the CDC (Center of Disease Control) fears that the public would completely freak out if the mainstrain actually knew what an empidemic genital H has become. There was a statement of that effect in a doctument released from the CDC not long ago. I wish I could remember the source, but I'm drawing a blank... sorry. I just thought I'd share for what it's worth. :-)

So on that note, for those of you that have read my ramblings thus far... hold on to your faith and take what comfort you can in knowing that you're not alone and that there is always hope. :-) Good luck with whatever path you choose in health and in life. I wish you all the best.

Chris

Hi Chris

Just to clarify - I didn't express myself very well there. When I said 'clutching at straws' I wasn't dissing alternative therapies (I've tried many myself). I was referring to the desperation that causes people to embrace all kinds of cures without researching them; also the credulousness that desperation brings with it - see all the penis enlargement spam for a start, and the millions who actually want to believe all that stuff works, and get ripped off.

And, some of these things can be harmful when taken together. To use an example from elsewhere, taking St John's Wort at the same time as, say, Prozac and other SSRIs.

Garnet

Hi Garnetflower,

You expressed yourself just fine... hence my reference to people being initially paniced, etc. when they first reach this board and asking a ton of questions regarding therapies, etc. without first doing some homework for themselves. Perhaps I simply rambled too much. :-) I understood, but thank you for further explanation for those that might not have made sense of what I/we were trying to say. :-)

You are correct as well; I agree with you. It is not wise for people to take stuff that they have not thoroughly researched because, as we've both mentioned, sometimes certain people can't take certain substances due to cross-reactions such as the one you mentioned about St. Johns Wart and the one I mentioned about Echinacea (not safe for people with liver problems).

*** It's important that people realize that just because something is natural does NOT necessarily mean it's safe for them to take. ***

Everyone please use caution when exploring different treatments - always. Good luck.

Chris

Chris,

I wanted to run this past you. I know we are not doctors but just wanted to see what you thought. You pretty have tried some of the stuff I am taking. I mentioned in an earlier posting I was taking OOO, OLE, Liquid Oxygen and applying DMSO. I hadn't seen an OB since the primary a year ago and that was nothing more than a tiny tear in the skin that burned. I came across this board about 3 weeks ago and got inspired to try to elimiate the virus.

I started with the OOO and OLE. Took it no big deal...was hoping it was having a war with the herpes behind the scene...then I added the liquid oxygen and DMSO two days ago...it started a burning sensation down below and i had a headache (terrible one) for the past two days. Then lastnight( I been poking around to see anythign I could) I noticed a bump...it was a little irritated to the touch...I put some liquid oxygen on it and DMSO and this morning it was completly gone....my question is...could that have been an OB and what the he** could be going on in there??

Hi notsobad,

You didn't mention about using liquid oxygen or DMSO (at least not in this thread)... however, you did mention you had the o2 but were scared to try it.

I've been using the DMSO for about 3 months now with very good results. I've used both the cream and the liquid. I find that the liquid seems to be stronger. I also use it with regular hydrogen peroxide... not necessarily purchased "liquid oxygen".

Are you taking the liquid oxygen internally or just using it on the "outbreak" areas? I notice that with my use that the h2o2/dmso combo gets rid of any signs of any onsetting outbreak super quick, including the prodromes. But - I'm sure I don't need to reinterate the risks of putting dmso on your skin. Just be sure you're clean before using it.

However, I have in the past tried internally taking liquid oxygen (purchased it online) and boy o' boy... what a detox I had. Even after having mild detox die-offs from other supplements that one was tough! I certainly got my exercise running back and forth to the bathroom for a good 3 or 4 days. :-) I also did have a severe headache for the first few days as well. My H symptoms were persistent for the first week as well before finally getting back under semi-control within 2 weeks. However, due to the price of the product I tried I chose not to purchase again. It was about $40 for 32 fluid oz. I definitely feel that I got my money's worth, but didn't have additonal funds at the time.

Here's an update on my current situation... I started taking the .5% food grade h2o2/water mixture 4 days ago. YUCK! It tastes horrible. I actually think I've mixed it down to about .25% as originally it was too strong and burned slightly going down (BAD, BAD, BAD). I certainly don't recommend this to anyone even slightly squeemish (Fear Factor anyone) :-) However, I'm starting to feel die-offs again (at least I hope they are) :-) My sinuses have started to run, my headache is back (but only mildly), I'm feeling overall rundown and I'm having more H symptoms once again. Oh yeah, and the trips to the bathroom are starting to set in again, hehehe... sorry.

As for the oil of oregano, at my first posting I was up to 5 drops 2x daily. I have not increased that dosage as of yet since I ran out this morning and will have to pick up some more this afternoon, however, even the slight H sypmtops I was still experiencing with that dosage died off the day after my posting and didn't spark up until the night before last about 2 days into my h2o2 therapy. Again, I expected this... but, the H is only very, very, very mild prodromes at this point. Just to test (and splurge a little) I ate 3 donuts and had 2 sodas yesterday and nothing! Woohoo! Normally, that would have brought at least a mild outbreak super-quick, but nothing this time! I've also run out of olive leaf and am choosing to not start that one again so that I can see what benefit the h2o2 and oil or oregano coupled with coconut (starting Friday) will have on my body.

I must tell you, I feel more empowered and confident than ever at this point in the battle, even though I was 100% confident in the beginning. I feel as though I've reached a turning point in my treatments where my body and mind finally have very firm grasp on the situation and I do NOT intend to let go. Victory will be mine! :-)

Chris

Hey Chris,

I was holding on to the liquid oxygen and DMSO until I got up enough nerve and said what the hey. From what you are saying the headaches are expected...and that probably was an OB brought on by taking the liquid oxygen. I take it internally and I put it on the base of my spine before applying DMSO (looks like a gel..doesn't cause the garlic breath that i have read about)...after showering of course. Yesterday I was also dizzy...as for the OOO and OLE...I pretty much have taken both bottles within 3 weeks...I dont' measure it I just take it and keep stepping. I take approx. one half dropper of OOO twice a day and 2 full droppers of OLE twice a day...since my OLE is only 18%.
Unless someone warns me with a "ARE YOU CRAZY" message I plan to continue at this rate. Nothing caused problems until the internal take of liquid oxygen. I had never had a bump in that area so I wasn't sure if that was an OB...so I was asking.

Sometimes I feel woozy at other times I feel like running a marathon...odd thing though...I go to sleep early every night...I get really tired and sluggish and can't stay awake.

Hi notsobad,

All I can say is keep doing what you're doing and make sure you drink plenty of water and exercise regularly; it will help your body get rid of the toxins faster and more efficiently. Please, please just listen to your body and if you're in doubt about what you're feeling or what it's telling you back down some of your treatments and seek a professional opinion (MD, herbalist, etc). The OOO dose is pretty high... even more than I'm taking, but if it's working for you then go with it. We're all different; your body may need more of certain things than mine or others to get your desired effects... half a dropper is probably about 15 drops give or take a few. The OLE dose sounds pretty reasonable. I took pills since I couldn't find liquid any stronger than 10%.

Based on strictly my own personal experience with the same types of treatments I can say that I've gone through the same types of bodily reactions as you're experiencing now. The h2o2 I'm taking now makes me feel the way you described... about 15-30 minutes after taking it I get kinda light-headed (but heightened mental clarity) and I get a boost of energy... then a few hours later I feel sorta sluggish. I'm sure my physical feelings will pass and even out the longer I persist, but if you're in doubt slow down your treatments and do some research and/or seek an outside professional opinion.

Keep the faith and good luck. Keep us posted. :-) There's only a few people posting in this thread, but it seems that several hundred are probably lurking and reading it. :-)

Chris

Chris and notsobad

I admire your dedication - but I must ask: are you taking all this stuff in the hope that it will prevent further attacks, or actually kill the virus completely?

Just wondering... :-)

Garnet

Garnett...I don't experience obs...so yeah my attempt is to kill the virus. When I was first diagnosed last year I went to the doctor because I had what appeared to be a tiny cut in the genital area. The doctor looked at it and said it just looked like my skin had been rubbed off..he tested it though and told me it was herpes. Since a year ago I had no symptoms until I started taking the combination of OOO, OLE and liquid oxygen then this week I had a bump appear in that area that was irritated to the touch.

I put some DMSO on it and it vanished over night. I know most people on the board seek *treatments* to disable the virus as oppose to doing anything else to it. I guess because of what I feel was the *unjustly* means by which I contracted the disease....attempts at killing it is how "I" manage to deal with knowing I have it. I agreed earlier with Chris that having the disease doesn't really get to me..at the same time I still don't want it.

Sad to say though...I am one of the people that really do believe in the conspiracy theory. :-) There are millions, perhaps billions of dollars to be made on the sale of suppressive treatment. Even if there were a cure and it cost let's say 1000 a pop...which is steep...can you imagine how many dollars would still be lost by the Drug Industry. As far as I know no one will die from Herpes...not that I am aware of unless they have other health issues that compromise the immune system.

The worst than can happen is you will have painful symptoms..but there's medicine for that...there is a risk to pass to new born babies..but the *new* vaccine that ironically only works in women will eventually solve that..and then there is the case of transmission....but oh you can buy Valtrex.

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So there all of the concerns were eliminated for the disease and you didn't need a cure after all...so again to answer your question...I would hope to rid my body of the virus and I am a believer in with GOD all things are possible :-)

Hi Garnetflower,

I never intend to simply *manage* living with H; not in the beginning, not now, and certainly not in the future. It's not my style. While I was experiencing physical symptoms (fairly severe and back-to-back at first) I was not really bothered by having it as notsobad mentioned. My main concern was for the people I'd come into contact with and making sure that I take every precaution to not pass it on. Well, the easiest way to ensure my goal is to simply get rid of the virus; my quest began there. :-) Sounds simple enough right? :-) Well, I truly believe it's possible to cure myself and destroy this virus and that I'll accomplish just that. I think the majority of people underestimate what the human mind, body, and spirit are truly capable of. It's a shame really, but to each their own. Besides, there is PLENTY of LEGITIMATE research and studies to prove beyond doubt (in my mind) that it's 100% doable with the right mindset and the right combination of ingredients given to your body to help it heal itself.

It's sad, but as positive of a person as I am, I am also realistic... and I too think the FDA, drug companies, etc. are a sham and the people will never see a cure of any kind from them. It's just not profitable. Someone else made a case against this theory in another semi-related thread, but to be honest I don't even have the patience or time right now to debate what that guy had to say. He has his views and I have mine. Only time will tell who's right - I'm banking on myself and the research I've studied; :-) however, in the meantime people will just have to agree to disagree and due whatever suits them best.

So, while short-term I'm keeping my symptoms under control my main battle is to completely destroy this virus and put my body into a normal healthy state of physicality. Judging from my progress in such a short amount of time thus far, I think my body and mind are doing a fantastic job of it. I simply won't quit until I've reached my goal. Failure is not an option. :-P

Chris

Chris....I share your passion for wanting to destroy the virus. At the same time I also understand that alot of people on this board have long accepted their condition and that is fine. I totally agree with having a strong mind and spirit about having a victory...but if you have mentally given up then the fight is already lost.

Now there are alot of people in the world with herpes. I have spoken to people through email that have tried every thing known to man to rid themselves of the nasty lil virus. While others basically *manage* it as we are taught to do. Some of the people I have spoken to swear by the ozone/oxygen therapy...claiming to have been *cured* by it...while others say it didn't work so they will try something else. My point is and someone said it earlier(probably even you) if you think you won't be healed..then you won't be. If you think there isn't a cure...then guess what..there isn't one.

I will say this though...I know that OOO, OLE and the liquid oxygen are doing something in my body to the virus...it has definatley disturbed it. Also...I didn't have a yeast infection when I began taking it but it killed an overload of yeast apparently. I saw results of what happens when I do get one and take prescribed medication for it...so its killing something for sure.

I forgot to mention this...I went to the doctor back in May. I had alot of questions( I was recently engaged and wanted to know what herpes would mean for me later) I asked my doctor would I be able to have kids in the normal fashion. He replied and this is all he said to answer me. "You should speak to your doctor about that when the time comes". Then I asked...if I could breastfeed with herpes and if it were safe. This man looked at me with a puzzled look and said "I don't know. That's so far off though perhaps there will be a cure by then." I'm almost 30..I mean real close to it. :-) I just felt like my doctor was acting funny and the only thing he ever does is try to push Valtrex on you....just seems a lil fishy to me. He is an older man...appears to have been an OB/GYN for a long time..you mean to tell me no one had ever asked him about herpes and babies...he seemed as if he didn't want to even talk about it..at all.

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Chris

I must respectfully disagree with your point about managing illness. 'Managing' is often the best we can do. To set up a black and white perspective, in the sense of turning everything into a battle, is surely a key to stress. [If someone has a life-threatening condition such as cancer, that's another issue, of course].

I have learned to manage certain other things I have, and now I live with them in a kind of harmony, through meds and trying to gain objectivity. If we are too subjective about these things, we take too much on our shoulders.

Just my 2 cents...

Garnet

Hi Garnet,

Well, I certainly respect your opinion, but it won't change my mind. :-) I suppose we are both mentally geared differently. While you choose to manage because you feel it's the best that you can do, I choose to heal because I truly believe it can be done.

You are right about everything (including this) being subjective and sorta black and white, but it works for ME. I can tell you that my choices certainly don't add stress to my life. In fact, my mental outlook gives me more of a feeling of empowerment thus lessening stress. It takes a lot more than something small such as H to stress me though... cancer - ok, I'd stress *a little*, even that wouldn't change my mindset though.

Perhaps *managing* for you is less stressful, but for me it would certainly be the contrary. Allowing myself to settle for what I feel is less than I deserve would be more stressful and against everything I believe in.

In the end, it's a personal choice everyone has to make for themselves since they are the only person living their life. You've made yours;I've made mine. I wish you and everyone else the very best.

However, it is nice to have a common place to go and share those views and have a healthy debate every now and again, hopefully for the betterment of everyone involved. :-) Take care and keep the faith.

Chris