Greetings,

OK... I am really upset with some of the postings of MR. DEVINE. There is misinformation in SOME of his responses, and therefore his -opinions-, which is what some responses are, should be discarded. This forum is for people who want sound advice which is relayed from the CDC and the body, and AVERT, and AEGIS. The advantage to the healthboard is a real person is responding. Mr. Devine has mentioned some truthful facts, and many inferences. PLEASE do not listen to this person, as his views are bias, and therefore flawed.

Informer, signing off for tonight.

I agree man.

I also agree. I do realize that one reason we have so many different opinions from health professionals is due to everyone wanting this to be their way. There is so much research going on all over the world people tend to speak what they've incorrectly learned rather than what may actually be true. The opinions on this subject can go on forever and I think people should state that what they are given is an opinion. If it's approved and confirmed by the CDC then by all means state it as a fact per the CDC. Me personally, I wouldn't go with too many people's advice on here because they seem to mislead people into thinking they will be fine. In most cases that may be true, but what if it's that 1 in 8000 (or whatever the statistics show now) that you are leading in the wrong direction. Everyone needs to accept what they have done and face that the chances may be there, whether low or high risk.

Please don't misunderstand me...this is a great site to come to for support and advice, however, don't put all your confidence in some things that are posted on these boards.

Let me just add...this post is based on my opinion. I haven't researched HIV in quite some time. I do have a best friend that is +. As well as I've worked in ICU and watched people pass on from what AIDS can cause. I was also in an intimate relationship with an HIV+ man. I don't have all the answers and I would never say I do. Research or not...unless you have some certification that allows you to counsel others in some way legally, you are merely posting an opinion. If it is a fact it should be supported with additional information...phone number, website, book! Good luck to all of you experiencing tough times right now. My prayers are with you all!!!

I believe I need to agree with posters above. Most of us here posting are not boasting of years and years of expertise on the subject, like Normo mentioned on another post the guniea pig thing looks kinda murky. Anyway, the point is, that in one way or another we have had some sort of personal experience with it.

I would like to think that 2 decades of constant and repetitive study...by health organizations, would yield an unquestionable, reliable base of information, Then you see all the infected, dying people, every freaken year, friends and relatives gone because of AIDS and you get to wonder, in which planet does Mr. Devine do his research?


It is true, and Normocrazy will agree, that sometimes, even among us that share particularly the same line of information, there are disagreements, which again like she mentioned, we promptly try to confirm with the latest and widely accepted information, sadly, this does not appear to be the case. But it does demonstrate the need we have for reliable information.

Mr. Devine said one thing that is correct. Anybody has the right to believe anything they want. So all we have left to do is share what we know, what we learn every day, and if at all possible, document the sources. Responsability to believe it is on the reader.

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Best wishes.

i agree with mr device he is not saying its impossible he says its hard to catch and i advice to read my post u must know about vajinal bath do u know that doctors sometimes gives fluids to someones anus becouse its easy for anything to enter blood from anus .didnt u have any parazites on your anus when u were young?????what was doctor done try to remember or ill give the answer he or she had insert pills in to your anus why?? becouse its easy for entering blood from anus ok?? it is a real information u can ask to any doctor u want. anal sex is tooo risky and there is also a risk for vajinal sex but its not high and bacterias are not virüsses virusses needs a blood cell for live but bacterias dont need its why a bacteria dont need to enter blood stream for leaving and it is why bacterial diseases are commen in uretra ok?

Blues: I know this post will be removed soon, but why dont you take the time to read over this document, especially the part that mentions the urethra as point of transmission for HIV. This is from the Center for Disease Control.

FACTS about HIV and STD transmission and use of condoms (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/facts/condoms.htm)

and anyone do u know that it isnt pruved u can ask it to any researcher im serious

Blues, if it is accepted as FACT by an organization specifically focused on identifying, studying and containing infectious diseases, you would think it has been proven over and over, wouldn't you?

Do you think the CDC can afford lying over stuff like this, if somebody else could prove them wrong? I'm not going to argue with you. You go ahead and believe what you want.

bacterias can transmit to uretra but viruses cant or very very rare uretra is closed everytime if a doctor wants to insert something to uretra he or she uses special methods to open uretra if uretra is allways open than u cannat swim and u can get every disease from pools and sea and please ask any doctor about anus and blood your answer will anus mucosa will transmit ewerything to blood anus mucosa is different from others just ask

anyone believe i dont want people to make unprotected sex becouse u can have litle rashes on your penis and maybe u cant see them i can say ewery time make protected sex people in this forum are too stresed persons i want to give them courege with thruts and just think about this why not all the prostitudes have hiv a prostitude is making sex 15 times a day with different persons if she is not making anal sex her risk is very reduced its the answer

Mucous membrane is all HIV needs to enter the body. It does NOT HAVE to enter deep into the urethra, it only needs contact with the tissues lining the urethra. Man, you are impossible. You know what?? I'll make u a deal. Find an HIV infected woman. Get a cotton swab and put some blood and vaginal secretions, and apply it to your urethra, even if slightly. Would you do this?? It seems you could, since you firmly believe you wont get infected that way. But if there is any doubt at all in your mind, then think again.

And as an addittion, let me tell you how important this issue is when it comes to having reliable information regarding the subject.

A man has cheated on his wife, by having unprotected vaginal sex with someone who is HIV+ (course he does nt know that yet). But he's aware of the whole HIV thing, so he comes on this board and looks for info, because he's worried to death, so much that he's not having sex with his wife.

But someone here, tell him: Hey dont worry! there is no possible way you can get it through the situation you described, HIV does not go in through the urethra, and all those other potatoes. So he starts feeling more confident...and later on he decides to go back and have unprotected sex with his wife as always. Chances are, his wife will get infected by the time he realizes what he's done.

So you see? Its not about trying to scare people. Its about trying to create a concience in all exposed persons that while you are not sure, you must protect yourself and others.

ok here is a question u all know about gonerrea it is making a discharge and if it is conracted by blood it makes antritis and reiters sendrome if uretral mucosa is taking everything to blood stream then everybody with gonorrea must develope antritis or reiters sendrome please dont forget virusses need to contact blood cell but bacterias dont need and everybody must know e type of hiv is dangerous than b tipe in heterosexuals but e tipe is rare im not saying hiv cant spread with vajinal sex it can but rare than anal sex use condoms be safe dont be rare person

and im in the same idea with anyone on making sex without knowing your status just wait 13 weeks and make a test if it is negative u r free makind sex with your wife please use condoms im beggering all of u and cant know your partner is on her regl time blood contact is very risky

Once again I strongly agree with Anyone. Bluees, as I posted on a different topic here the urethra is closed and not made for any type of insertion. However, there are certain sphincter muscles that help keep it closed. When those muscles are relaxed (they usually are with orgasms) the urethra can open up allowing passage of HIV. Also, as Anyone stated, HIV only needs to come in contact with mucous membranes to begin spreading through the body. Here is something I pulled off an OFFICIAL website:

HIV is transmitted when infected semen or other body fluids contact mucosal surfaces, such as the male urethra, the vagina, cervix, or anus.

If you have any questions about that statement please visit Advocates for Youths. As well as many other sites. This is a known fact.

If you all think it is impossible for a man to get HIV without sores or any other problems dealing with his penis you need to talk to my friend. Tell me how a virgin ended up with HIV from one time intercourse with a + woman. Everyone will conclude what they want on their so called research, but ACTUAL stories speak for themselves. So you decide who to believe...someone just studying the virus or someone dealing with the virus!!!

About time.I feel the same way I am tired of going on here and people are telling other people they do not have HIV.They tell these people that their chances are low.Stop giving people false hope.They need to be given the truth not what they want to hear....Please get tested no one knows your status except the lab.Thanks

just a question-- so if the womens salivia gets into your urethra during oral sex (which it seems like it would) you would most likely contract the virous if she has it,right?

questionman, the answer is a no. Although HIv has been found in saliva and other fluids like tears and sweat, medical research indicated that those fluid DO NOT transmit HIV. Especially saliva, where the latest research has found an enzyme which drastically reduces the efectiveness of HIV.

This is why on unprotected oral sex, the risk is for the person who gives the oral sex, as the mucous membrane of the mouth and throat may be exposed to semen or precum, not to mention that the risk increases with poor dental status like bleeding gums.

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Best wishes.

thank you for your reply, i have contracted another std so i now want to becomed informed as much as possible about all stds.