skylist
12-20-2008, 10:48 PM
I have my own thoughts, but I want to hear yours first.
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AlexaIn2006
12-22-2008, 01:57 AM
Absolutely. You can't put a patent on nature. I have so much to say that I am not sure where to start. Obvious things are that doctors don't normally deal with candida problems for example. Why? Well, there is no drug for this. They don't usually recongnize it. The treatment is dietary and the cause is from drugs like antobiotics, birth control pills and our genetically modified, highly processed sweets and and breads. Cancer, there is a cure! You have to really commit yourself o a lifestyle change, some can cure themselves, while some people are far to acidic and unhealthy to come back. I have so much to say, maybe another time when I can think. :wave:
skylist
12-22-2008, 03:14 AM
I'd love to keep this thread going and talk to you more when you can think:)
AlexaIn2006
12-22-2008, 01:15 PM
There are cures for most ailments, but they are being hidden from us because the real cures from nature and food are cheap in comparison to drugs, doctors and surgery. Plus, once they start you on drugs of some sort, then eventually the build up of chemicals and the way it alters your body will leave you with a weakened immune system system and other health problems down the road and you will need more treatment, more drugs and it becomes a vicious cycle that never ends. That also equals money. The big pharma control the doctors, advertisements on tv, in bed with the government, and the media. Most people don't think for themselves and will do anything their doctor says and believe that their doctor really cares about them, which some may, but they are trained in surgery and drugs. Vitamins, minerals and herbs for example help the body to heal. (I opened my eyes a few years ago when I became pregnannt with my daughter and started to research which drug I wanted for childbirth and I decided early on in the pregnancy after doing my own research that I didn't want anything. Women have been giving birth since the beginning of time and the drugs taken only interfere with the bodies natural ability to give birth and often increase the need to c-sections, ptiocin because the drugs slowed the process down, it is really ugly when you start reading the truth.) Needless to say I had a natural childbirth, no circus and light show, just a nurse and a midwife in my hospital room. What are your views? Please share!
skylist
12-22-2008, 10:45 PM
There are cures for most ailments, but they are being hidden from us because the real cures from nature and food are cheap in comparison to drugs, doctors and surgery. Plus, once they start you on drugs of some sort, then eventually the build up of chemicals and the way it alters your body will leave you with a weakened immune system system and other health problems down the road and you will need more treatment, more drugs and it becomes a vicious cycle that never ends. That also equals money. The big pharma control the doctors, advertisements on tv, in bed with the government, and the media. Most people don't think for themselves and will do anything their doctor says and believe that their doctor really cares about them, which some may, but they are trained in surgery and drugs. Vitamins, minerals and herbs for example help the body to heal. (I opened my eyes a few years ago when I became pregnannt with my daughter and started to research which drug I wanted for childbirth and I decided early on in the pregnancy after doing my own research that I didn't want anything. Women have been giving birth since the beginning of time and the drugs taken only interfere with the bodies natural ability to give birth and often increase the need to c-sections, ptiocin because the drugs slowed the process down, it is really ugly when you start reading the truth.) Needless to say I had a natural childbirth, no circus and light show, just a nurse and a midwife in my hospital room. What are your views? Please share!
I totally agree.
I have used so many products that have helped me naturally, and by avoiding wheat, it has saved my life.
I have cancer in the family. When I saw how well a product worked that was not FDA approved, I begin my "WHY" search. It began opening up a whole can of worms I had no idea about. Then the book "hidden cures" I got, just validated all I was reading -even though Kevin is not perfect and didn't give great tips for cures, he did expose the truth about the FDA laying in bed with drug companies IMO.
I was seeing a liver specialist and my doctor said "you're too young for all of this". I was truly dying I believe. Then when the doctor's were adding one more pill to my regimen, I then needed another drug to off-set the problems I was having with that one. That's when I became "poly-pharmacy"
Since changing my diet, I have gotten off ALL of my meds. No more liver or heart problems, and cholesterol is back to normal.
This started a further search of diet and why in the world diet and natural health was not being taught.
Then I started reading how people were going to prison for natural products there were selling. I saw a product I use, and swear by, on "quackwatch" (quackpotwatch) and was absolutely outraged!
Next I began speaking to people who have been cancer free since changing their diet and taking laetrile...and I should have figured this would be banned by the FDA and considered "quack".
I've heard that the Hunzakut people had no trace of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, or poor eyesight, and that they have a natural "Adam and Eve" type diet high in laetrile.
I read from the crooks that this is a "hoax"...well guess what...I have a friend who lives in Hunza.
He said "yes, we do live to be 120-140 years of age and don't have disease like the West" when we stick to our original diet (including apricot seed) and very little animal protein".
So, I come on this forum to search for laetrile topics, and POOF they're closed. Why can we not discuss this?
Why, when Chemo kills many before the cancer does, can we not have the right to try what we want on OUR bodies.
We are allowed to get an abortion, but we can't use natural products??? Something is just wrong here.
I have since learned that it's true about drug companies. They do pay doctors to push products (under the table as a hush hush deal).
I belong to a blog of ( removed ) (a former worker for a major drug company). He is now a whistle-blower after getting wrong treatment from his co-workers. When he was speaking against a drug that was trying to get through, he said it affected his career and he was asked not to speak again.
"Pfizer admitted publicly that its Pharmacia subsidiary had paid doctors to plug Genotropin for unapproved use as an anti-aging medication. The company agreed to pay a $34.7 million penalty"
And should we be surprised this is going on. Here we have a governor of Illinois trying to sell a seat for a million bucks, and this is out in the open. Imagine what is not out that we don't know about.
I too can go on forever.
Let's join together to get the word out!!!
I totally agree.
I have used so many products that have helped me naturally, and by avoiding wheat, it has saved my life.
I have cancer in the family. When I saw how well a product worked that was not FDA approved, I begin my "WHY" search. It began opening up a whole can of worms I had no idea about. Then the book "hidden cures" I got, just validated all I was reading -even though Kevin is not perfect and didn't give great tips for cures, he did expose the truth about the FDA laying in bed with drug companies IMO.
I was seeing a liver specialist and my doctor said "you're too young for all of this". I was truly dying I believe. Then when the doctor's were adding one more pill to my regimen, I then needed another drug to off-set the problems I was having with that one. That's when I became "poly-pharmacy"
Since changing my diet, I have gotten off ALL of my meds. No more liver or heart problems, and cholesterol is back to normal.
This started a further search of diet and why in the world diet and natural health was not being taught.
Then I started reading how people were going to prison for natural products there were selling. I saw a product I use, and swear by, on "quackwatch" (quackpotwatch) and was absolutely outraged!
Next I began speaking to people who have been cancer free since changing their diet and taking laetrile...and I should have figured this would be banned by the FDA and considered "quack".
I've heard that the Hunzakut people had no trace of cancer, heart disease, diabetes, or poor eyesight, and that they have a natural "Adam and Eve" type diet high in laetrile.
I read from the crooks that this is a "hoax"...well guess what...I have a friend who lives in Hunza.
He said "yes, we do live to be 120-140 years of age and don't have disease like the West" when we stick to our original diet (including apricot seed) and very little animal protein".
So, I come on this forum to search for laetrile topics, and POOF they're closed. Why can we not discuss this?
Why, when Chemo kills many before the cancer does, can we not have the right to try what we want on OUR bodies.
We are allowed to get an abortion, but we can't use natural products??? Something is just wrong here.
I have since learned that it's true about drug companies. They do pay doctors to push products (under the table as a hush hush deal).
I belong to a blog of ( removed ) (a former worker for a major drug company). He is now a whistle-blower after getting wrong treatment from his co-workers. When he was speaking against a drug that was trying to get through, he said it affected his career and he was asked not to speak again.
"Pfizer admitted publicly that its Pharmacia subsidiary had paid doctors to plug Genotropin for unapproved use as an anti-aging medication. The company agreed to pay a $34.7 million penalty"
And should we be surprised this is going on. Here we have a governor of Illinois trying to sell a seat for a million bucks, and this is out in the open. Imagine what is not out that we don't know about.
I too can go on forever.
Let's join together to get the word out!!!
Katielyn
12-23-2008, 12:02 PM
They absolutely are!! Western Medicine vs, Eastern Medicine. Doctors won't tell you anything on the natural stuff because they won't make money. They get a cut off of every script that is filled by their patient. We have doctor friends and that's how I know that. I bet if Insurance would cover going to a doctor that deal in natural medicine and healing, a lot of people would drop the western medicine practice. I know we need meds, but the body is designed to heal itself and when you start throwing in a bunch of synthetic meds into the body, it throws things out of whack. But...what are we going to do.
AlexaIn2006
12-23-2008, 02:09 PM
I had wisdom teeth coming in for a few years that caused no problems, only minor tenderness maybe once a month for a day. Finally this summer they came in far enough that it created a flap along the gums back there and so I developed an infection because food was becoming trapped upder this flap while waiting to get the teeth removed. My dentist was very upset when I told him I didn't want antibiotics and I used tea tree oil to treat the infection. I also used grapefruit seed extract and the infection was gone within 2 days. They also gave me another prescription for antibiotics to take before and during the removal "just in case." Sorry, but I am not going to take all of these antibiotics. I lied and told them I did because otherwise they get upset and try to lecture me and you can fight it, so I do my own thing and don't tell them. I am currently looking for a biological dentist because my next step is to get the mercury fillings removed from my mouth.
I totally agree with everything said here. I also read Kevin Trudeau's books as well as others and they make sense to me. It comes down to money. There is a definate dumbing down of America going on.
I totally agree with everything said here. I also read Kevin Trudeau's books as well as others and they make sense to me. It comes down to money. There is a definate dumbing down of America going on.
LadyItalian
12-26-2008, 09:10 PM
Yes, yes, yes. The truth is either kept or people and doc's are apathetic. I believe doc's and the FDA could take a lot of the blame. But people must be proactive, and stop looking for magic pills and procedures and start taking care of themselves too! But yes, the gov totally blocks us who are trying. Like the hoxsey clinic that was in CA and got closed and so now people who want to go to this great chemo free cancer center have to go all the way to Mexico!!!! A relative of mine did it, and it worked!
skylist
12-27-2008, 08:51 PM
Yes, yes, yes. The truth is either kept or people and doc's are apathetic. I believe doc's and the FDA could take a lot of the blame. But people must be proactive, and stop looking for magic pills and procedures and start taking care of themselves too! But yes, the gov totally blocks us who are trying. Like the hoxsey clinic that was in CA and got closed and so now people who want to go to this great chemo free cancer center have to go all the way to Mexico!!!! A relative of mine did it, and it worked!
Can you tell me what your friend had and how the treatment in Mexico worked? Please explain. I'd love to hear everything they did and tried and if they tried chemo first. Please let me hear more...
Can you tell me what your friend had and how the treatment in Mexico worked? Please explain. I'd love to hear everything they did and tried and if they tried chemo first. Please let me hear more...
scinamon
01-09-2009, 05:38 PM
AlexaIn2006,
I completly agree with you natural cures are being hidden form us. My alternative med. doctor wants me to remove my 7 mercury fillings. He believes that it is causing my autoimmue disorder(hashimoto). This makes sense to me as it is a foreign substance in my body and it can't get rid of it thus my problem.
The FDA will not admit that the mercury fillings are unsafe...why would they have pushed them for years. Admiting that they were wrong would cause a big uproar, and possibly lawsuits.
I completly agree with you natural cures are being hidden form us. My alternative med. doctor wants me to remove my 7 mercury fillings. He believes that it is causing my autoimmue disorder(hashimoto). This makes sense to me as it is a foreign substance in my body and it can't get rid of it thus my problem.
The FDA will not admit that the mercury fillings are unsafe...why would they have pushed them for years. Admiting that they were wrong would cause a big uproar, and possibly lawsuits.
AlexaIn2006
01-10-2009, 01:20 AM
Look at all of the money made from fillings for example. They can cause other sickness in the body and you turn around and get treated and voila! more money for them. It is a downward spiral. I have several mercury fillings and it is my goal to start to have some replaced with porcelain this year. Let us know if you health improves...!
nbalance
01-10-2009, 02:59 PM
I have the same, mercury fillings. I recently had one of those toxic eliminators done where you put your feet in water and toxins come out. I'm not sure how this works, but I actually had metal floating in the water. Who knows what the metals could be doing to our health. But I've asked two Dentists to replace my fillings and neither thinks it's a good idea.
AlexaIn2006
01-10-2009, 09:28 PM
Most conventional dentists won't because they believe in them, and they need to sell us more mercury for our mouths. When I had an infection from a wisdom tooth coming through a couple of weeks before they were to be pulled. I told my dentist how I gargled with some tea tree oil and added grapefruit seed extract to my water and I can heal myself, it didn't want to hear that nonsense and they actually get mad. He pushed the antibiotics on me and I appeased him by agreeing with him and then just throwing my prescription away when I left without having it filled. They also wanted to me take more antibiotics "just in case" I might get an infection for the surgery and I lied and told them I took my antibiotics. There are dentists who will replace them. Make sure you find someone who will do it properly. Everyone needs to be wearing masks and there should be special ventilation from the mercury vapor that will be released. Find a biological dentist or one that will replace with porcelan.
Jris
02-05-2009, 12:03 AM
Of course they're being hidden.There's no money for BigPharma in natural stuff, cause they can't patent it. I take 6 grams of chlorella, 3 grams of celery seed extract, and 3 grams of turmeric daily..Haven't had a cold or sniffles in 6 yrs. Stay away from docs and hospitals,put your trust in Mother Nature, and you'll be OK....
maresmith
02-05-2009, 04:27 PM
where do you get the toxin eliminators where you put your feet in water? I would love to try this!!
Machaon
02-06-2009, 04:17 PM
I believe that both natural remedies and FDA approved, conventional medications play a role in improving our lives. There is also a blur between natural meds and conventional meds, seeing that many conventional meds are created from natural sources.
That said, I've witnessed improvements to my health and to my wife's health through Acupuncture. In fact, I was so impressed by Acupuncture that I bought my own Acupuncture Stimulator, which sends various electronic impulses through either needles or self-sticking electrode pads. It has been well worth the money!
Also... after many years of chronic sinus infections, suffering from multiple infections each year, I finally found a natural way of getting rid of the infections forever.
But! If it weren't for conventional heart medication, which blocks or inhibits an overactive NeuroHormonal System, I would have been dead, or worse many years ago. There has also been great discoveries in Asthma meds. There is a place for both natural and conventional meds.
I will agree with the basis for this thread, though. The medical industry and doctors don't make money from healthy patients, so the last thing that the medical industry wants is for patients to heal themselves. It's a money making business, not a charity, and if the medical industry can rip you off, just like the car repair industry, they will!
The best meds, for overall good health are diet and exercise. There is an incredible contradiction when someone takes all kinds of vitamins, supplements and natural remedies, and also has an unhealthy diet, and doesn't exercise. One of the quickest ways of getting unhealthy hormones and pesticides into one's body is through ingesting.
That said, I've witnessed improvements to my health and to my wife's health through Acupuncture. In fact, I was so impressed by Acupuncture that I bought my own Acupuncture Stimulator, which sends various electronic impulses through either needles or self-sticking electrode pads. It has been well worth the money!
Also... after many years of chronic sinus infections, suffering from multiple infections each year, I finally found a natural way of getting rid of the infections forever.
But! If it weren't for conventional heart medication, which blocks or inhibits an overactive NeuroHormonal System, I would have been dead, or worse many years ago. There has also been great discoveries in Asthma meds. There is a place for both natural and conventional meds.
I will agree with the basis for this thread, though. The medical industry and doctors don't make money from healthy patients, so the last thing that the medical industry wants is for patients to heal themselves. It's a money making business, not a charity, and if the medical industry can rip you off, just like the car repair industry, they will!
The best meds, for overall good health are diet and exercise. There is an incredible contradiction when someone takes all kinds of vitamins, supplements and natural remedies, and also has an unhealthy diet, and doesn't exercise. One of the quickest ways of getting unhealthy hormones and pesticides into one's body is through ingesting.
Jris
02-06-2009, 11:45 PM
If BigPharma can't manufacture it, they can't make money off of it..
want a good out
02-26-2009, 12:19 AM
I agree with you... It they can't patent it there is no $ in it. I heard the drug companies rule the world and believe it...
sunnyrise
03-26-2009, 06:21 PM
Yes, I also believe natural medicines are being hidden from us for the same reasons as others stated.
My younger brother has liver cancer (he was in remission from melanoma cancer for 4 years, and now it came back and spread to his liver). I posted about him under a different topic and it bothers me that he is being given chemo which is making him really sick as well as the fact that chemo is also killing his "healthy" cells.
My family bought him a Juicer and a Coffee Toddy (the Coffee Toddy reduces acid by 63% or something like that) as my brother loves his coffee. I wonder how true it is that cancer cells can not survive in an alkaline body compared to an acidic body? I have also been reading about the Rife Machine, not sure if this would help him.
Does anyone have any other ideas about using alternative medicine for cancer? I myself used alternative medicine for a chronic illness I had and I am all better. I am a strong believer in detoxing, eating healthy, etc. Mention detox to a stranger and they look at me like I have 2 heads!
Sunny
My younger brother has liver cancer (he was in remission from melanoma cancer for 4 years, and now it came back and spread to his liver). I posted about him under a different topic and it bothers me that he is being given chemo which is making him really sick as well as the fact that chemo is also killing his "healthy" cells.
My family bought him a Juicer and a Coffee Toddy (the Coffee Toddy reduces acid by 63% or something like that) as my brother loves his coffee. I wonder how true it is that cancer cells can not survive in an alkaline body compared to an acidic body? I have also been reading about the Rife Machine, not sure if this would help him.
Does anyone have any other ideas about using alternative medicine for cancer? I myself used alternative medicine for a chronic illness I had and I am all better. I am a strong believer in detoxing, eating healthy, etc. Mention detox to a stranger and they look at me like I have 2 heads!
Sunny
matt3507
03-27-2009, 05:09 AM
Great thread,
I also read Kevins book "natural cures". He does follow the money. It is horrifying to think that some doctors don't really care about you. I know there have to be some good ones out there but some may just be in it for the money. What about the hippocratic oath? --> Do no harm. Do doctors really get paid for every script filled? That boils my blood if true. I have been having lousy experiences w/docs so I may come off a little bitter. Anyway I bought a juice machine over a year ago. I have: 1 grapefruit, 1 apple, 1 orange, 2 limes, 2 fist size stocks of brocolli, 2 big beets, 2 lbs. of carrots. I put the juice in a blender, add "Alive" food supplement and wheat grass. It is about a half gallon of juice a day. It has not fixed my chronic neck/back pain but my body works much better. What came out of me for the first month was gross! (maybe TMI but I am very regular w/NO straining). I have had one cold in the past year and I got over it in 5 days, whereas I used to have green crud for 2-3 weeks before. (Wife much healthier also).
Also, anyone have any luck w/chronic pain and natural stuff? I tried turmeric once and it was too hard on my stomach. I may try again w/smaller dose.
One more thing. I read an article about fish being caught near waste water plants and they had tons of pharmaceuticals in them. I am looking into getting a whole house water filter. I pray for our children and the world we are creating for them.
We need to save ourselves and this planet. I'm about ready to go off so I'll stop now!
I hope this thread keeps going.
Take care all, Matt
I also read Kevins book "natural cures". He does follow the money. It is horrifying to think that some doctors don't really care about you. I know there have to be some good ones out there but some may just be in it for the money. What about the hippocratic oath? --> Do no harm. Do doctors really get paid for every script filled? That boils my blood if true. I have been having lousy experiences w/docs so I may come off a little bitter. Anyway I bought a juice machine over a year ago. I have: 1 grapefruit, 1 apple, 1 orange, 2 limes, 2 fist size stocks of brocolli, 2 big beets, 2 lbs. of carrots. I put the juice in a blender, add "Alive" food supplement and wheat grass. It is about a half gallon of juice a day. It has not fixed my chronic neck/back pain but my body works much better. What came out of me for the first month was gross! (maybe TMI but I am very regular w/NO straining). I have had one cold in the past year and I got over it in 5 days, whereas I used to have green crud for 2-3 weeks before. (Wife much healthier also).
Also, anyone have any luck w/chronic pain and natural stuff? I tried turmeric once and it was too hard on my stomach. I may try again w/smaller dose.
One more thing. I read an article about fish being caught near waste water plants and they had tons of pharmaceuticals in them. I am looking into getting a whole house water filter. I pray for our children and the world we are creating for them.
We need to save ourselves and this planet. I'm about ready to go off so I'll stop now!
I hope this thread keeps going.
Take care all, Matt
l5051
04-01-2009, 01:13 PM
Hello, everyone, I'am new here...and i see that i'am going to love this site ! And YES, natural cures are being hidden from us. If everyone would stop taking prescription drugs the pharmacial companies would go under.And Yes, Doctors make money from writing prescriptions!
l5051
04-02-2009, 12:32 PM
About the asthma,my son,daughter and nephew had it,yes had it and they are cured and are off all drugs, just by adding a very common spice to their diet !
nbalance
04-05-2009, 11:11 PM
Economic gain, and consumerism is what this country runs on. Unfortunately one of the largest money makers for this country are pharmaceuticals. We as consumers have power, we need to exercise it! There is new awareness of alternative and integral medicine, however it is still up to the individual to do their research, or find support for alternative therapies. There is no real motivation for the government to support preventative medicine. You cannot count on the government for much these days....the answers are out there and there are many alterntative ways to practice a healthy and disease free healthstyle.
Machaon
04-06-2009, 10:13 AM
Many so-called "natural" cures are just money making scams that fleece billions of dollars from either the uninformed or from those suffering from chronic diseases who will try anything to cure their dreaded diseases. So, even with these "natural" cures, let the buyer beware.
Meanwhile, there have been many medical breakthroughs that have saved, or improved the lives of millions. My problem is that some of these wonderful medications are not being prescribed properly because of our broken medical system. There are many ineffective and ill-educated doctors, who really don't realize, or want to take the time to determine, which medications would be best for their patients.
As far as medical breakthroughs: In my case, the synthetic steroids were a huge medical breakthrough in the treatment of Asthma, which has greatly relieved my Asthma and sinus problems. It's great never having any wheezing or a stuffed up nose. The older generation of Asthma medications, such as Marax, had nasty side effects.
Another wonderful medical miracle, for me, is Coreg (Cavedilol), a Beta Blocker. It is truly an exciting, powerful, magical medication. It partially blocks over-reactive and over-active NeuroHormonal and Immune Systems; and by doing so, helps to reverse, or improve, Heart Failure, Insulin Resistance and other complex Immune System Disorders.
But, as if these medical breakthoughs were not enough, just wait until our medical industry makes some breakthroughs through embryonic stem cell research. The possibilities are endless. In our lifetimes, we might witness the blind being able to see, the paralyzed being able to walk, the deaf being able to hear, etc. Who knows, we might even witness the growth of new limbs! It is going to take a lot of time, money and hard work, but the possibilities of this new medical science are endless and exciting.
Meanwhile, there have been many medical breakthroughs that have saved, or improved the lives of millions. My problem is that some of these wonderful medications are not being prescribed properly because of our broken medical system. There are many ineffective and ill-educated doctors, who really don't realize, or want to take the time to determine, which medications would be best for their patients.
As far as medical breakthroughs: In my case, the synthetic steroids were a huge medical breakthrough in the treatment of Asthma, which has greatly relieved my Asthma and sinus problems. It's great never having any wheezing or a stuffed up nose. The older generation of Asthma medications, such as Marax, had nasty side effects.
Another wonderful medical miracle, for me, is Coreg (Cavedilol), a Beta Blocker. It is truly an exciting, powerful, magical medication. It partially blocks over-reactive and over-active NeuroHormonal and Immune Systems; and by doing so, helps to reverse, or improve, Heart Failure, Insulin Resistance and other complex Immune System Disorders.
But, as if these medical breakthoughs were not enough, just wait until our medical industry makes some breakthroughs through embryonic stem cell research. The possibilities are endless. In our lifetimes, we might witness the blind being able to see, the paralyzed being able to walk, the deaf being able to hear, etc. Who knows, we might even witness the growth of new limbs! It is going to take a lot of time, money and hard work, but the possibilities of this new medical science are endless and exciting.